Hydrogen Aston Martin Makes Motoring History

[Lite Beer]

Hydrogen Aston Martin makes motoring history

Nuerburgring, Germany - An Aston Martin Rapide S powered by pure hydrogen has become the first car of its kind to compete in international racing and to complete an emission-free lap of a racing circuit, Germany's Autozeitung motoring journal reports.

The historic drive came during a 24-hour meeting in mid May at Germany’s Nuerburgring circuit with a team led by Aston Martin head Ulrich Bez.

"We achieved the very ambitious goal which we had set ourselves, namely to complete a lap of the 20.8-kilometre Nuerburgring circuit running on hydrogen fuel only." The Aston Martin carried the competition number 100 and was the sole entry in its own special class. The car reached a top speed of 255 kilometres per hour during the race with regular Aston Martins.

The 6-litre, V-12 engine fitted to the Rapide S can burn either petrol or hydrogen - in the case of the latter, the only emission is water vapour. For most of the race, petrol was used. A switch was flipped to feed in hydrogen for the historic lap.

Refuelling during the event took only 30 seconds from hydrogen fuel stored at 350 bars of pressure.

"This feat profoundly demonstrated a workable technology which can meet the challenge of reducing emissions quickly," said Jose Ignacio Galindo, CEO and founder of Aston’s technical partner Alset Global based in Austria. The hydrogen used for the test runs came from German industrial gas giant Linde

-- The Nation 2013-05-30

[NeverSure]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

[canman]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

You meant water right? Any way you are correct, the guy who invents an economical way of seperating Hydrogen out of water will be laughing all the way to the bank. I suspect that solar power will soon become cheap enough to be used on a large scale to seperate hydrogen from water.

[Cyclist]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

But does absolutely nothing to relieve congestion on the roads.

[Garry]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

You meant water right? Any way you are correct, the guy who invents an economical way of seperating Hydrogen out of water will be laughing all the way to the bank. I suspect that solar power will soon become cheap enough to be used on a large scale to seperate hydrogen from water.

More likely he will be dead and the technology will never see the light of day.

[NeverSure]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

Sorry, brain fart. I should have looked it up. They hydrogen is in water - H₂0 of course but the hydrogen needs to be separated.

[NeverSure]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

You meant water right? Any way you are correct, the guy who invents an economical way of seperating Hydrogen out of water will be laughing all the way to the bank. I suspect that solar power will soon become cheap enough to be used on a large scale to seperate hydrogen from water.

Yes sorry, it's water which is still far more abundant than gasoline.

[Joe Mamma]

I have a vision of seeing gasoline and diesel in an old museum one day as a relic of a sooty past. The worlds damage done by petrol is a shame.

[oyster]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

You meant water right? Any way you are correct, the guy who invents an economical way of seperating Hydrogen out of water will be laughing all the way to the bank. I suspect that solar power will soon become cheap enough to be used on a large scale to seperate hydrogen from water.

More likely he will be dead and the technology will never see the light of day.

For that you can probably say they - and they already are.............

[blackman]

i understand this problem of separating water and hydrogen cheaply and whilst on the move had been cracked many years ago

a number of patents were approved to protect the process

unfortunately, the major oil companies hold the patents so you won't see a commercial version of this process anytime soon

[TonyBkk]

I suspect the main barrier for this technology is governments holding back funding as they make so much on taxing traditional fuel. And correct me if Im wrong, the big oil companies hold a lot of influence over congress.

I can foresee a huge loss in revenue for governments if people can cheaply create their own fuel, and really since when did governments set their priorities on cleaning up the environment over lining their own pockets with green?

We have know how how beneficial a thorium based reactor is over depleted uranium for years but there is still little funding in R&D. Only India seems to be jumping on this as they hold about 25% of the worlds reserves of thorium

[GarryP]

i understand this problem of separating water and hydrogen cheaply and whilst on the move had been cracked many years ago

a number of patents were approved to protect the process

unfortunately, the major oil companies hold the patents so you won't see a commercial version of this process anytime soon

If the patents were issued many years ago then you will. a patent only has a shelf life of 20 years in most countries.

[HerbalEd]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

But does absolutely nothing to relieve congestion on the roads.

But it'll do a lot to relieve congestion in our lungs.

[axact]

i understand this problem of separating water and hydrogen cheaply and whilst on the move had been cracked many years ago

a number of patents were approved to protect the process

unfortunately, the major oil companies hold the patents so you won't see a commercial version of this process anytime soon

If the patents were issued many years ago then you will. a patent only has a shelf life of 20 years in most countries.

Besides if they existed China would have copied the idea by now. A little thing like a patent wouldn't bother them

[Naam]

i understand this problem of separating water and hydrogen cheaply and whilst on the move had been cracked many years ago

a number of patents were approved to protect the process

unfortunately, the major oil companies hold the patents so you won't see a commercial version of this process anytime soon

the main culprits are aliens (species #9847) from the Gamma quadrant. they have bought the patent rights from the major oil companies because they hate the guts of us humans populating planet Earth. some of them are even posting regularly on Thaivisa spreading misleading information and distorting facts.

[Chicken George]

The end of the petrol dollar? The end of the big stick? But not the end of tax per mile you do! Tachometers will be fitted to all cars or chips fitted to the cars and then to your bank card. But hey clean air would be nice

[Evolare]

Actually there has been people who has solved it already...they just happend to run into problems when they did...its called hydrogen on demand. Stan Meyer was one of them and died of food poisoning during a meeting with people from the US DOD...Herman P Andersson (a retired NASA Engineer) if i remember correctly. Was threatned with his life if he tried to bring it to market.

There are some products on the market that are not as refined that reduces your need for gasoline or diesel by 30-40 percent...i had a kit in a lexus sc400 and reduced my fuel consumption with 32%. And then in my MG ZT 260 with a mustang 4,6l V8 with a drop by 42% percent in fuel consumption at the same time as i had installed a supercharger the supercharger itself helped reduce fuel consumption by 17%...

No conspiracy theories just facts...

[GentlemanJim]

This is all available now but Big Petro always sticks its nose in. For those interested look up HHO and 2H2O. In particular wade through the stuff on 'Browns Gas Machine', a device originally made for welding which produces its fuel from the electrolosis of water. Someone built a car about 5 years ago in the states if I remember right from Browns Gas Machine technology, but the Petro companies shut him down I think. For those with a workshop, some time and the inkling crack on. Fuel from water has been done and the beauty of the internet is the stuff is out there now, it's too difficult to keep secret.

For a long time Big Petro put the silencers on Brazil who were world leaders in making engines for cars running on Bio Fuels. Most cars there run on Ethanol produced from cane sugar but they were banned (or I guess legally prevented) from exporting their engines/cars to the rest of the world.

Edit: .........and what Evolare just said.

Edited May 30, 2013 by GentlemanJim

[NeverSure]

Is there actually someone who believes that old story from the 1940's, that someone invented a car that would run on water but the oil companies bought him out?

BS. If someone invents that it will be world news and if nothing else governments will jump all over it. Too many of them don't have any of their own oil but they have water.

That old story has been around since I was a kid. It wasn't true then either. People love a conspiracy story.

Gasoline is a small part of what's needed from oil. In fact it's a byproduct of refining oil. A list of what's made from oil wouldn't fit on this page but start with medicines, fertilizers for the world's crops, plastics, carpet, roofing, butyl, tar for paving roads, and the list goes on and on.

We'd still need the oil and a use would be found for the gasoline, or the gasoline wouldn't be cracked out of it.

Again, gasoline is a byproduct of getting what we really need from oil.

The tinfoil hate routine is BS.

[Evolare]

This is all available now but Big Petro always sticks its nose in. For those interested look up HHO and 2H2O. In particular wade through the stuff on 'Browns Gas Machine', a device originally made for welding which produces its fuel from the electrolosis of water. Someone built a car about 5 years ago in the states if I remember right from Browns Gas Machine technology, but the Petro companies shut him down I think. For those with a workshop, some time and the inkling crack on. Fuel from water has been done and the beauty of the internet is the stuff is out there now, it's too difficult to keep secret.

For a long time Big Petro put the silencers on Brazil who were world leaders in making engines for cars running on Bio Fuels. Most cars there run on Ethanol produced from cane sugar but they were banned (or I guess legally prevented) from exporting their engines/cars to the rest of the world.

Edit: .........and what Evolare just said.

Correct and alot of people are doing research around it as we speak you but electrolysis use brute force to brake water to hho or browns gas...the difference with herman and stan was that they had a different process they refered to as water fractioning where they had an low electric current with a pulse or frequency that converted even tapwater or oceanwater to pure hydrogen or plasma is what i think stan called it at a fraction of force needed compared to electrolysis. Both of them had several patents but most patents are not complete to copy their technology.

Search youtube for Rwg research whos a guy participating in a project to replicate stans work and make it open source...

If anyone want an hho kit in their cars there are companies in Thailand making conversions like that and have been doing it since 2008...or if you want do it yourself...DIY its not that difficult....works exceptionally well with old engines running poorly as you get a stronger combustion...or kaeng raeng as they would say here in LOS...

[Garry]

Now, if someone can figure out (and they will) how to produce hydrogen cheaply and in volume, this will be the future. The real breakthrough will come when the car can produce it and not need fuel.

I think the air is two parts hydrogen - H₂0. So it's abundant and cheap. What's not cheap is separating it. Someone will come up with a breakthrough and there's our fuel with only water vapor for exhaust.

Stay on it, guys.

You meant water right? Any way you are correct, the guy who invents an economical way of seperating Hydrogen out of water will be laughing all the way to the bank. I suspect that solar power will soon become cheap enough to be used on a large scale to seperate hydrogen from water.

More likely he will be dead and the technology will never see the light of day.

For that you can probably say they - and they already are.............

Agreed, as I was actually thinking that as well. If the technology ever got out to Joe Public, then the oil producers would go virtually bankrupt overnight, along with all the companies and infrastructure supporting the oil industry. etc etc. yep, I can't see it happening anytime soon.

[Guest]

Oh my. Hydrogen car will produce Dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) as byproduct and those will go up in the sky.

[Evolare]

Is there actually someone who believes that old story from the 1940's, that someone invented a car that would run on water but the oil companies bought him out?

BS. If someone invents that it will be world news and if nothing else governments will jump all over it. Too many of them don't have any of their own oil but they have water.

That old story has been around since I was a kid. It wasn't true then either. People love a conspiracy story.

Gasoline is a small part of what's needed from oil. In fact it's a byproduct of refining oil. A list of what's made from oil wouldn't fit on this page but start with medicines, fertilizers for the world's crops, plastics, carpet, roofing, butyl, tar for paving roads, and the list goes on and on.

We'd still need the oil and a use would be found for the gasoline, or the gasoline wouldn't be cracked out of it.

Again, gasoline is a byproduct of getting what we really need from oil.

The tinfoil hate routine is BS.

So mr tinfoil

Maybe you should check out youtube for some more recent information than the 1940s if thats the best you got. Do you know what ithe energy potential of H20 is and compared to gasoline...which one is higher?

If you dont understand it is another story and all the things oil is used for doesnt mean we need it and cant be replaced with better options than crude oilbased crap.

Plastics, cosmetics, fertilizers, etc etc...all can be replaced...73 years have passed since 1940...get your facts straight

[bangkokrick]

Hydrogen is highly inflammable. What will happen in a crash situation. Boom!

[Garry]

Hydrogen is highly inflammable. What will happen in a crash situation. Boom!

The idea behind the technology is that the H₂O molecules are 'cracked' before entering the combustion chamber. Meaning that your petrol tank and your vehicle as a whole, is only storing water

Edited May 30, 2013 by Garry

[Evolare]

Oilinki: lol when you combust hydrogen you get watervapor...not DHMO i have been in labratory enviroment testing this hydrogen H2O2 becomes H2O and O after combustion you can even capture this and reuse it if you want...to make more hydrogen...in the lab we used traditional electrolysis for the tests.

Bankokrick: That is an issue if you have the hydrogen stored in a tank for sure i know that herman had something that replaced the sparkplug and that was where he converted the water into hydrogen so with his solution that would not have been an issue stan was working on something similar. But in regards to these kits that are on the market it can be an issue for sure very much like having nitrogen oxides tanks that are used in racing cars.

[Naam]

an Indian engineer who developed a harvesting machine for cow farts and a combustion engine which can use cow fart methane with an efficiency factor of 239.78% was forced to withdraw his patent application because major oil companies abducted his beloved pet rabbit and threatened to encarcerate it in Guantanamo.

source: http://www.naams-BS.edu

[GentlemanJim]

bangkokrick, on 30 May 2013 - 19:34, said:

Hydrogen is highly inflammable. What will happen in a crash situation. Boom!

Garry, on 30 May 2013 - 19:48, said:

bangkokrick, on 30 May 2013 - 19:34, said:

Hydrogen is highly inflammable. What will happen in a crash situation. Boom!

The idea behind the technology is that the H₂O molecules are 'cracked' before entering the combustion chamber. Meaning that your petrol tank and your vehicle as a whole, is only storing water

And if a system is not designed as Gary describes there is much work being done and much thought going in to it. An interesting read which also describes how the Hindenberg going 'whoosh' was not simply down to the hydrogen.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/dangerous-hydrogen-fuel2.htm

edited to add after reading post 27 from Naam. I pity some of you. You are missing so much enrichment in your lives. Lets get you started on the path towards enlightenment. Read about Fibonacci numbers, then go for a stroll around your Garden tomorrow (you will get what I mean if you read). Once you have managed to stop yourself seeing Fibonacci everywhere (it took me 3 months), then you will start to understand that there is so much you don't understand that is there, that has never been explained to you, that has never been in newspapers. There is more energy available in one glass of water than in the most powerful nuclear device on earth. Go and start the journey 'Neversure' because it's 'Nevertoolate'.

Edited May 30, 2013 by GentlemanJim

[NeverSure]

Is there actually someone who believes that old story from the 1940's, that someone invented a car that would run on water but the oil companies bought him out?

BS. If someone invents that it will be world news and if nothing else governments will jump all over it. Too many of them don't have any of their own oil but they have water.

That old story has been around since I was a kid. It wasn't true then either. People love a conspiracy story.

Gasoline is a small part of what's needed from oil. In fact it's a byproduct of refining oil. A list of what's made from oil wouldn't fit on this page but start with medicines, fertilizers for the world's crops, plastics, carpet, roofing, butyl, tar for paving roads, and the list goes on and on.

We'd still need the oil and a use would be found for the gasoline, or the gasoline wouldn't be cracked out of it.

Again, gasoline is a byproduct of getting what we really need from oil.

The tinfoil hate routine is BS.

So mr tinfoil

Maybe you should check out youtube for some more recent information than the 1940s if thats the best you got. Do you know what ithe energy potential of H20 is and compared to gasoline...which one is higher?

If you dont understand it is another story and all the things oil is used for doesnt mean we need it and cant be replaced with better options than crude oilbased crap.

Plastics, cosmetics, fertilizers, etc etc...all can be replaced...73 years have passed since 1940...get your facts straight

So, much more lately, some poor mechanic with an IQ of 200 developed a car that can run on hydrogen and should be a billionaire by solving the world's needs for auto fuel, converting water to hydrogen at the engine's intake for the btu equivalent of 1 baht per gallon of gasoline, but the oil companies bought him out killed him and buried the secret forever.

I get it. Same story, second verse.

So what happened to this car?

[apetley]

Hydrogen is highly inflammable. What will happen in a crash situation. Boom!

What do you think petrol is?

Sent from my GT-I9003 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app