mania Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) Saw this on facebook tonight It was the 12k service on a monster 795...6870 baht Although 12k is the 1st Desmo valve adjust service of the schedule I cannot see the letters but am betting the 4000+ is labor Still seems high when one consider what the mechanics probably get paid here But still I guess $225 is way cheaper than say a 796 monster 12k service in the USA Edited June 16, 2013 by mania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubberSideDown Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I thought Ducati was Italian, but I agree you can't complain about that price. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted June 16, 2013 Author Share Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) I thought Ducati was Italian, but I agree you can't complain about that price. Heheh yes Ducati = Italian but I meant us folks who ride Japanese brands have no complaints My Kawasaki service ran 900 baht & I imagine the one that needs valves checked may run 3x that or less Which is still less than half of this smallest of Ducatis Even My Isuzu 4 dr Dmax with the largest diesel engine they make runs 4500 baht for the full service which included valve adjusts & much more Edited June 16, 2013 by mania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerkid Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 some folks who financed a ducati will spend a good chunk of their monthly salary on a service like this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted June 16, 2013 Author Share Posted June 16, 2013 some folks who financed a ducati will spend a good chunk of their monthly salary on a service like this The Thai guy that posted that said he wanted to cry. He said he went to the ATM before the service & got 4000 baht thinking that would be more than plenty enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerkid Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 with all these new Ducati's on the roads now a well trained mechanic could make a good business. Soon these bikes will all be out of warranty and owners are not forced to use Ducati anymore for their services. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salapoo Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 One reason why the mid sized kawas and hondas are such good value here now. If the 4,950b is for service and not a part it's certainly a bit cheeky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerkid Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 One reason why the mid sized kawas and hondas are such good value here now. If the 4,950b is for service and not a part it's certainly a bit cheeky. it certainly is. For that price i also would expect the mechanics to wear ducati shirts. getting ripped off in style.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salapoo Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 ^ Or them to be Italian females aged 18~30 doing it in the buff, at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) It's unfair, if you buy a motorcycle without understanding, researching or thinking of the service cost …. and then complain it's a bit pricy. I hear people often they bought a Nissan pickup because an issue would be expensive after 5 years... if they bought a similar Isuzu pickup Same go's for a Ducati, if you buy a top-of-the-line Italian sportsbike you should expect that the service cost is a bit heavier on the wallet... If people think the top Ducati is heavy on service the MV Agusta F4 is serious more costly.... But guys you know that when you buy it... otherwise which planet you from??? Edited June 16, 2013 by Richard-BKK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salapoo Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Ducati 795 = top of the line italian sportsbike. Thanks richard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taninthai Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 One reason why the mid sized kawas and hondas are such good value here now. If the 4,950b is for service and not a part it's certainly a bit cheeky. it certainly is. For that price i also would expect the mechanics to wear ducati shirts. getting ripped off in style.... One reason why the mid sized kawas and hondas are such good value here now. If the 4,950b is for service and not a part it's certainly a bit cheeky. it certainly is. For that price i also would expect the mechanics to wear ducati shirts. getting ripped off in style.... dont they even have a computer sysytem there that actually gives a proper print out receipt as opposed to some crap invoice book that probably cost 100 bht not very professional at all really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramds Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Maybe the Thais can finance the service too ;-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserlazer Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 4590 thb for what? how much per hour? or just standard fare for valve check. nothing stated on the bill i guess. But as you know Thai people are shy to protest on these kind of situations and they just accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salapoo Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 One reason why the mid sized kawas and hondas are such good value here now. If the 4,950b is for service and not a part it's certainly a bit cheeky. it certainly is. For that price i also would expect the mechanics to wear ducati shirts. getting ripped off in style.... dont they even have a computer sysytem there that actually gives a proper print out receipt as opposed to some crap invoice book that probably cost 100 bht not very professional at all really. I didn't even get one of those at a Honda dealership off Sukhumvit. When I asked for it the girl froze, then 10 minutes later she came back with it along with a 100 baht note, apparently the 'mechanic make mistake with bill'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 One reason why the mid sized kawas and hondas are such good value here now. If the 4,950b is for service and not a part it's certainly a bit cheeky. it certainly is. For that price i also would expect the mechanics to wear ducati shirts. getting ripped off in style.... dont they even have a computer sysytem there that actually gives a proper print out receipt as opposed to some crap invoice book that probably cost 100 bht not very professional at all really. I didn't even get one of those at a Honda dealership off Sukhumvit. When I asked for it the girl froze, then 10 minutes later she came back with it along with a 100 baht note, apparently the 'mechanic make mistake with bill'. Funny you should mention that, as I've been down that road myself in Chiang Mai. Quite amusing and a 100 baht either way didn't bother me, as I know how tough their monthly paypacket can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) 100 baht either way didn't bother me, as I know how tough their monthly paypacket can be. That is the thing... We know the pay is not up there yet the service charge on this was 4590 baht Of course in the States we expect it as the pay is probably $20+ an hour. But here? I agree with Richard it would be foolish not to know roughly maintenance costs when buying but still it is hard to allow it to be both ways. On the one hand we live here & know things are cheaper locally. Labor etc... We know bikes that are imported cost twice as much...Ok there is a balance This bike is made & serviced "Here" But seems like they want it both ways? Stick the high tax on imports & then still charge like they pay wages? In this case the dealer is pocketing a lot I think as I doubt any gets kicked back to the mechanic. Edited June 17, 2013 by mania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) 100 baht either way didn't bother me, as I know how tough their monthly paypacket can be. That is the thing... We know the pay is not up there yet the service charge on this was 4590 baht Of course in the States we expect it as the pay is probably $20+ an hour. But here? I agree with Richard it would be foolish not to know roughly maintenance costs when buying but still it is hard to allow it to be both ways. On the one hand we live here & know things are cheaper locally. Labor etc... We know bikes that are imported cost twice as much...Ok there is a balance This bike is made & serviced "Here" But seems like they want it both ways? Stick the high tax on imports & then still charge like they pay wages? In this case the dealer is pocketing a lot I think as I doubt any gets kicked back to the mechanic. whoa, I was just talking about 100 baht issue, not the import duty and major bill concerns.....I'm agreeable on the matter mind you. Edited June 17, 2013 by Garry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 whoa, I was just talking about 100 baht issue, not the import duty and major bill concerns.....I'm agreeable on the matter mind you. hahah yes I was just picking up on the fact that their pay is not too good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserlazer Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) i just checked and the price of this service is 1200 usd in USA!!! and yearly service costs for ducati monsters are around 2400 usd a year!!! wow. so 6870 thb which is 230 USD is nothing! and those 100 bahts we pay extra does not bother me as well. By the way, Honda Bigwing Bangkok staff does not accept any tip like japanese style - I tried. Edited June 17, 2013 by loserlazer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) i just checked and the price of this service is 1200 usd in USA!!! and yearly service costs for ducati monsters are around 2400 usd a year!!! wow. so 6870 thb which is 230 USD is nothing! and those 100 bahts we pay extra does not bother me as well. By the way, Honda Bigwing Bangkok staff does not accept any tip like japanese style - I tried. another reason I service my Ducati, that and I can't stand anyone I don't know screwing with my bike. I'm too much of a perfectionist for the mass market servicing scenario. Edited June 17, 2013 by Garry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globeman Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Ducati 795 = top of the line italian sportsbike. Thanks richard. Could you please explain to the rest of the class why that is so funny? Are you also a motorbike expert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globeman Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 4590 thb for what? how much per hour? or just standard fare for valve check. nothing stated on the bill i guess. But as you know Thai people are shy to protest on these kind of situations and they just accept. There would be a standard list of services performed on the bike... oil and filter change - top quality synthetic oil is insanely expensive. On my FZ-1 it costs about Bt2500 just for the oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globeman Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 100 baht either way didn't bother me, as I know how tough their monthly paypacket can be. That is the thing... We know the pay is not up there yet the service charge on this was 4590 baht Of course in the States we expect it as the pay is probably $20+ an hour. But here? I agree with Richard it would be foolish not to know roughly maintenance costs when buying but still it is hard to allow it to be both ways. On the one hand we live here & know things are cheaper locally. Labor etc... We know bikes that are imported cost twice as much...Ok there is a balance This bike is made & serviced "Here" But seems like they want it both ways? Stick the high tax on imports & then still charge like they pay wages? In this case the dealer is pocketing a lot I think as I doubt any gets kicked back to the mechanic. I don't know about the Japanese places, but Ducati pays their staff very well here - including the mechanics, who have undergone a lot of training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globeman Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 100 baht either way didn't bother me, as I know how tough their monthly paypacket can be. That is the thing... We know the pay is not up there yet the service charge on this was 4590 baht Of course in the States we expect it as the pay is probably $20+ an hour. But here? I agree with Richard it would be foolish not to know roughly maintenance costs when buying but still it is hard to allow it to be both ways. On the one hand we live here & know things are cheaper locally. Labor etc... We know bikes that are imported cost twice as much...Ok there is a balance This bike is made & serviced "Here" But seems like they want it both ways? Stick the high tax on imports & then still charge like they pay wages? In this case the dealer is pocketing a lot I think as I doubt any gets kicked back to the mechanic. It is the govt charging the tax, and the dealership charging for the service. The dealerships are also separate entities from the Ducati company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerkid Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) Ducati 795 = top of the line italian sportsbike. Thanks richard. Could you please explain to the rest of the class why that is so funny? Are you also a motorbike expert? the thai made ducati 795 is the most basic one available here and its even lower spec then the one made in italy. So its certainly not top of the line. top of the line would be the 848, 1199 or streetfighter which cost way more then the 795 An indication of a top of the line bike might be the price so for your information: http://www.ducatithailand.com/pricelist.php. Edited June 17, 2013 by pokerkid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) i just checked and the price of this service is 1200 usd in USA!!! and yearly service costs for ducati monsters are around 2400 usd a year!!! wow. so 6870 thb which is 230 USD is nothing! and those 100 bahts we pay extra does not bother me as well. By the way, Honda Bigwing Bangkok staff does not accept any tip like japanese style - I tried. I think you may have a mix up there In the USA the 7500 Mile check up which is roughly 12000km they charge $294.80 for valve adjustment portion on a 796 since they do not run the 795 The rest such as oil etc you are allowed to do yourself. Also yearly costs I have never seen quoted as such just mileage not by time. I have also seen Panigale costs as high as $1000 But in any case my original post was never meant to be a Ducati Thai service cost bashing more of a Japanese types celebration at how cheap service here is for Kawasaki, Honda etc. Edited June 17, 2013 by mania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) I don't know about the Japanese places, but Ducati pays their staff very well here - including the mechanics, who have undergone a lot of training. Just curious but what is "very well" here in baht? Do they go hourly pay, daily or monthly? If you know for sure as hearsay is funny here Edited June 17, 2013 by mania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerkid Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 But in any case my original post was never meant to be a Ducati Thai service cost bashing more of a Japanese types celebration at how cheap service here is for Kawasaki, Honda etc. but isn't bashing so much more fun. Afterall we are on thaivisa..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) It is the govt charging the tax, and the dealership charging for the service. The dealerships are also separate entities from the Ducati company. Let me try to clarify what I meant when I said they cant have it both ways. Someone buys a Panigale here & pays twice what they pay in the States. No small amount. One might think that the trade off is we live in a cheaper country. But no the maintenance is still high here (relatively ) So the actual cost of ownership is probably cheaper in the West as the double initial price is still probably more than the West with lifelong maintenance costs included. Bottom line is wages here cannot compare with there so labor prices should not either. Kawasaki & Honda here send their mechanics to training also & have levels of attainment for them. Edited June 17, 2013 by mania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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