jaidee88 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I have issues with an alchoholic thai lawyer that I worked for and he tried to use extortion to get me to turn over work without paying me for it. Work that was done over many years and that is thousands and thousands of hours of work, and that is my intellectual property for a business that I am part owner of. He also threatened my life and has caused me so many issues by slandering my name with his lies to some of my good friends of over 12 years, to make them hate me and cause me problems with them. Does anyone know where I can turn in a situation like this, other than the lawyers association and lawyers council? This evil, dishonest man has cost me my best friends and to lose tens of millions of baht of my own personal money and thousands of hours of my time in work. He thinks he can do ANYTHING he wants to anyone, especially to me, because I am a farang alone in Thailand and he is a high priced lawyer with connections in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosta Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) Freedom here requires connections, money and skills/knowledge of how to use them effectively in the local environment. Sounds like you're outgunned to me. Work out a deal, surely to your short-term financial loss but what's your freedom worth to you? Taking your freedom in hand yourself requires you to disconnect from the areas where he wields power over you, perhaps going incognito to another location, if necessary leaving Thailand for a while. If you're so dependent on your professional life being enmeshed in his territory that #2 doesn't appeal then looks like #1 is your only option, but to some extent you'll be subject to his whims until you can cut the cord. Get a job with a more powerful "sponsor" who isn't part of this guy's network? But then you're at HIS mercy. . . Edited June 21, 2013 by boosta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaidee88 Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 I am free of him already, but he has cost me too much and I am considering some sort of legal action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post arthurwait Posted June 21, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2013 An alcoholic Thai man. Extortion. A thai trying to get everyhting for free and giving nothing back to people. A Thai making up lies about foreigners to turn people against them. Welcome to the land of smiles. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaidee88 Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 You summed him up pretty well. The strange thing is, he did this to about 3 other people, and they do not seem to see what he did to them too. He must have them under some kind of Isaan voodoo spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurwait Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 You summed him up pretty well. The strange thing is, he did this to about 3 other people, and they do not seem to see what he did to them too. He must have them under some kind of Isaan voodoo spell. Maybe they are tourists who only come for 4 months a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eesat Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I don't understand how you lost tens of millions of baht to this guy but for the rest it's a situation you can never win?He has connections,you are Farang,checkmate! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post uptheos Posted June 21, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2013 Give me a break, running a business, thousands of hours of intellectual work, worth tens of millions of baht and you're asking on TV what you should do about it? Find yourself a good lawyer, 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jaidee88 Posted June 21, 2013 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2013 I suppose I am to believe that Thailand is not a real country with real laws, or a country where they hold lawyers accountable for misconduct as lawyers... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeijoshinCool Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Give me a break, running a business, thousands of hours of intellectual work, worth tens of millions of baht and you're asking on TV what you should do about it? Find yourself a good lawyer, Expect at an earlier point in time, he thought he had ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post boosta Posted June 21, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2013 I am free of him already, but he has cost me too much and I am considering some sort of legal action. You aren't free of him until thinking of him brings you no stress. Of course an internal mental adjustment may just bring you that happy result at lower cost to your peace of mind than prolonging a battle that not only may you not win but may bring additional "unintended consequences." Better to let it go. Life is too short, peace of mind too important, much more so than the filthy lucre (unless you're actually poor.) I suppose I am to believe that Thailand is not a real country with real laws, or a country where they hold lawyers accountable for misconduct as lawyers...- Yes of course that's accurate, did someone tell you different, and you bought into that fairytale? Anybody off the street can qualify as a lawyer in a very short time here, I know bargirls that used to be lawyers and lawyers that used to be bargirls. No such thing as being disbarred that I ever heard of. Many (most?) are total shysters whose only real functions are bagman for and fellow conspirators with their corrupt public official buddies. Finding a good one here is as or more difficult than finding a nice innocent sincere girl that is happy to be with a farang for his own sake, not interested in his money. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topt Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I suppose I am to believe that Thailand is not a real country with real laws, or a country where they hold lawyers accountable for misconduct as lawyers... And you have been here for 12 years.....and only just realising......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaidee88 Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 I've been leaning towards moving on, but there are just unsettled issues such as him having a distorted view that I owe him money in a business that I was to pay nothing into, and was to receive salary for work, and that he was to pay all of the expenses for, and instead I have been left paying out millions in baht. Then him telling lies to my friends, that are his mutual friends, that I have some debt with him and don't pay, and then demanding that I pay back everything he has paid to suppliers and invested into the business, unless I give up all of my share interests in the business and piss off, so he can make money with his thai buddy with all of my intellectual property and investment. His dishonesty has cost me my life savings twice, best friends, missed opportunities on working on my own businesses by myself and also a lot of respect. It actually comes out to close to $4 million USD. I can accept business losses and rebuild myself back up, but extortion and ongoing slander and threats are just too much for me. I find it ridiculous, illegal and immoral and improper conduct for a lawyer. When I think of your bagman comments, yeah, I guess that is what he really turned out to be. I've been here longer than 12 years, but this guy came recommended by friends that I trusted and so on... Maybe I was just gullible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosta Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 More gory details doesn't change the reality of the situation. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunta71 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 You are not the first to encounter such hardships in Thailand. Your future entirely depends on how fast you let it go. Failure to do this ASAP can get you killed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosta Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Or more likely in this case stitched up on trumped up charges, lucky if only deported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eesat Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I've been leaning towards moving on, but there are just unsettled issues such as him having a distorted view that I owe him money in a business that I was to pay nothing into, and was to receive salary for work, and that he was to pay all of the expenses for, and instead I have been left paying out millions in baht. Then him telling lies to my friends, that are his mutual friends, that I have some debt with him and don't pay, and then demanding that I pay back everything he has paid to suppliers and invested into the business, unless I give up all of my share interests in the business and piss off, so he can make money with his thai buddy with all of my intellectual property and investment. His dishonesty has cost me my life savings twice, best friends, missed opportunities on working on my own businesses by myself and also a lot of respect. It actually comes out to close to $4 million USD. I can accept business losses and rebuild myself back up, but extortion and ongoing slander and threats are just too much for me. I find it ridiculous, illegal and immoral and improper conduct for a lawyer. When I think of your bagman comments, yeah, I guess that is what he really turned out to be. I've been here longer than 12 years, but this guy came recommended by friends that I trusted and so on... Maybe I was just gullible. You lose your live savings once,shame on him.You lose it twice,shame on you I'm afraid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsxrnz Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) You've shelled out $4M USD into a business that you weren't supposed to commit any money too (as stated by you), and you've only just now woken up and smelled the coffee? You yourself used the word gullible, and that seems appropriate to me. If I were you I'd cut and run, because there is virtually a zero chance in hell of any legal recourse. If you push things too far you may find yourself a victim of involuntary suicide. What floor is your condo on? Edited June 21, 2013 by Gsxrnz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooEng Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 You summed him up pretty well. The strange thing is, he did this to about 3 other people, and they do not seem to see what he did to them too. He must have them under some kind of Isaan voodoo spell. One trick pony, very common in this part of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaullyW Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 If the well-connected, dodgy Thai lawyer has threatened your life/safety, the best thing to do might be to leave it all behind and relocate to another firm etc. Unless you believe his is an empty threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosta Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 OP has already left the firm, considering taking action wrt past misdeeds. Thought you were going to say "another country", more relevant in this case 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 jaidee88, what do you do, what is your profession? You stated in the OP that you worked for this lawyer (not a partner), what does/did your binding contract state? Was this a legal or illegal business venture, ie, registered company, work permit, etc, etc? Exactly how has it cost you over 4 million US as you quoted? As other posters have mentioned, if this has taken place over a 12 year (?) period, how on earth did you let it last that long? Experience has shown that if you are not prepared to reveal all the facts, then you shouldn't be asking for advice with an abridged version of the story. Experience has also shown that people that seek advice from a public forum and do not follow legal paths are either involved illegally, or really need to get their sh1t together and sort it out in a proper fashion. I doubt you will get the answers you want to hear on TV........................... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 him having a distorted view that I owe him money in a business that I was to pay nothing into, and was to receive salary for work, and that he was to pay all of the expenses for, and instead I have been left paying out millions in baht. If you had a business with him all the rules like "who pays what and who owns what" should be described when setting up a business. If you did that then you should have no problem if you go to court. If you signed a contract in Thai language which you didn't understand and didn't double check, you are not a good business man. If you lose your best friends because somebody speaks evil about you, you never had any good friends to start with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosta Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I know I know, pot, kettle, black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloghead Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 You BETTER CALL SAUL... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevvy Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 jaidee???? good name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnxforever Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I've been leaning towards moving on, but there are just unsettled issues such as him having a distorted view that I owe him money in a business that I was to pay nothing into, and was to receive salary for work, and that he was to pay all of the expenses for, and instead I have been left paying out millions in baht. Then him telling lies to my friends, that are his mutual friends, that I have some debt with him and don't pay, and then demanding that I pay back everything he has paid to suppliers and invested into the business, unless I give up all of my share interests in the business and piss off, so he can make money with his thai buddy with all of my intellectual property and investment. His dishonesty has cost me my life savings twice, best friends, missed opportunities on working on my own businesses by myself and also a lot of respect. It actually comes out to close to $4 million USD. I can accept business losses and rebuild myself back up, but extortion and ongoing slander and threats are just too much for me. I find it ridiculous, illegal and immoral and improper conduct for a lawyer. When I think of your bagman comments, yeah, I guess that is what he really turned out to be. I've been here longer than 12 years, but this guy came recommended by friends that I trusted and so on... Maybe I was just gullible. You have obviously fallen into the hands of a crook and you should consider getting a good lawyer and see what you can do legally to sort this out. I hope you have prove for the money invested by yourself - if yes the courts here usually sort dishonest Thais out - lawyer or not - unless his connections reach as far as turning the judge - then you are doomed. I remember what a friend told me when I first came to Thailand - he told me it is difficult in many ways to do business here - but most of all he said "Beware if your business should be very successful and you are not needed anymore by your Thai "partners" - then he said - it gets dangerous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Impossible to answer the OP`s questions. I have some questions myself: How did the OP first become involved with this lawyer? What`s the full story behind this? Did the OP have work permits, was he a legitimate partner, advisorhelper, employee or what? What sort of work was involved? To be able to respond whether or not the OP has a case against this guy, than we need to know these facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidst01 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 You are not the first to encounter such hardships in Thailand. Your future entirely depends on how fast you let it go. Failure to do this ASAP can get you killed here. No offence to OP but he sounds a little gullible. Everyone has to live and learn but OP should take the above advice. The guy has warned you. If you ignore the threat we might be reading about your death in the news. I hope not. Be careful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaRanter Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I would have suggested some friends from the railway track behind baiyoke 2 hotel in pratunam. But they don't live working outside that district. You need several batch of friends to counter this kind of situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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