Red shirts urged not to confront anti-amnesty protesters

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Red shirts Urged Not To Confront Anti-Amnesty Protesters

BANGKOK: -- As anti-government activists planned at least 2 upcoming major protests, a prominent Redshirts leader pleaded to his supporters that they should not stage a counter-protest or confront their rivals.

Mr. Jatupon Prompan, who also serves as an MP for the Pheu Thai Party, said violent confrontation is exactly what the anti-government forces want to see.

At least 2 protests were planned by anti-government activists: the one on 4 August will be organized by activists opposed to former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, the brother of Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra who is currently serving as Prime Minister, while the protest on 7 August will be focused on opposing the government-sponsored amnesty bill.

The bill, if passed, will grant amnesty to Redshirts protesters currently imprisoned for their alleged crimes during their mass protests in 2010.

The Redshirts argue the detainees were implicated in false crimes by the authorities at the time, but the opposition Democrat Party and its allies insist the amnesty bill amounts to bending the laws to forgive criminal thugs.

The protests on 7 August will be held around the House of Parliament, where the amnesty bill will be debated. Mr. Jatupon warned his fellow Redshirts not to stage a counter-rally or disrupt the anti-government protesters there.

He said he would meet with local leaders of the National United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) on 3 August to make sure they reach mutual understanding about the matter.

"In normal situation, we would respect the freedom of all Redshirts [to stage rallies]. But this is not normal situation," Mr. Jatupon told our correspondent, adding that the Redshirts should let the government handle the upcoming protests.

He went on to criticize Mr. Suthep Theugsuban, a senior Democrat MP, for encouraging people to join the anti-government protests on 7 August. Mr. Jatupon said the gesture has made it clear the Democrat Party is behind the protests, using extra-parliamentary means to overthrow the elected government.

The Redshirt MP insisted the amnesty bill would not cover the legal cases against him and other Redshirts leaders of the 2010 protests, as the bill would only give amnesty to ordinary protesters.

Full story: http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNM05USTJNVGc0TVE9PQ==

-- KHAOSOD English 2013-08-01

[Siripon]

How do you define a red shirt leader? Worachai's bill doesn't, leaving it wide open for people like Korkaeow to argue they were merely speakers and thus should be included in the pardon.

How many red shirts are still in jail? Less than 30 I believe, and the ones who committed minor offences have all been released.

So who is this 'amnesty' bill for, if not the red shirt leaders and the world's greatest liar?

[Robby nz]

Mr. Jatupon Prompan, who also serves as an MP for the Pheu Thai Party

Didn't know Jatuporn had been reinstated as an MP?

The bill, if passed, will grant amnesty to Redshirts protesters currently imprisoned for their alleged crimes during their mass protests in 2010.

Nothing alleged mate they were convicted in a court of law.

The protests on 7 August will be held around the House of Parliament, where the amnesty bill will be debated. Mr. Jatupon warned his fellow Redshirts not to stage a counter-rally or disrupt the anti-government protesters there.

Werent we told in a previous report that they were already there waiting to "protect the Government"

He went on to criticize Mr. Suthep Theugsuban, a senior Democrat MP, for encouraging people to join the anti-government protests on 7 August. Mr. Jatupon said the gesture has made it clear the Democrat Party is behind the protests, using extra-parliamentary means to overthrow the elected government.

Its called Democracy and free speech Mr Jutaporn where people are allowed to speak up against the Government and protest against the actions of said Government.

[NongKhaiKid]

Just heard part of an IN Channel report so my comment is based on what I heard not the full story but what was said was that the red shirts don't get what they want they will have " no alternative " but to take to the streets.

I suppose the government will have no alternative than to let them.

[waza]

One would have thought that the governments total rejection of the redshirts peoples amnesty would created a common purpose with the protestors opposing the government-sponsored amnesty bill.

I also though Mr. Jatupon Prompan refused the UDD leadership due to ill health and was overlooked for a government post?

[Tatsujin]

Well, I think we all know that once protests start, there will be further clashes as the Reds will feel the need to defend their beliefs.

[15Peter20]

A red shirt leader telling his people to not to stage counter-demos and not be violent? Surely this should be applauded on all sides. Well done!

[OzMick]

A red shirt leader telling his people to not to stage counter-demos and not be violent? Surely this should be applauded on all sides. Well done!

Don't you know the fable of the scorpion and the frog? What they say is irrelevant to the nature of the beast.

Edited August 1, 2013 by OzMick

[Baerboxer]

Just heard part of an IN Channel report so my comment is based on what I heard not the full story but what was said was that the red shirts don't get what they want they will have " no alternative " but to take to the streets.

I suppose the government will have no alternative than to let them.

The Red Shirts eventually got what they wanted from the 2010 riots - a Thaksin PTP government in power. This government has not delivered as promised and at some point even the dumbest red thug is going to realize the true nature and agenda of PTP and then it will really hit the fan.

How would PTP handle mass Red anti-government protests one wonders.

[Neilly]

Mr. Jatupon Prompan, who also serves as an MP for the Pheu Thai Party, said violent confrontation is exactly what the anti-government forces want to see.

I doubt the anti-government forces want to see it...but I'm pretty sure they'll get it going on the past history of the reds and 'peaceful' protests

[jayboy]

Mr. Jatupon Prompan, who also serves as an MP for the Pheu Thai Party, said violent confrontation is exactly what the anti-government forces want to see.

I doubt the anti-government forces want to see it...but I'm pretty sure they'll get it going on the past history of the reds and 'peaceful' protests

Why do you doubt it? I would have thought violent confrontation was exactly what the anti government forces wants to see - preferably bloody - although of course it would not be openly admitted.The rationale is obvious, namely it would provide the excuse for a military or judicial intervention to save the nation, protect the nation's key institutions, end corruption etc.We have been here before.The onlky difference is that whereas in the past such interventions have followed a fairly predictable course, the consequences now would be completely unpredictable

[bigbamboo]

Just heard part of an IN Channel report so my comment is based on what I heard not the full story but what was said was that the red shirts don't get what they want they will have " no alternative " but to take to the streets.

I suppose the government will have no alternative than to let them.

The Red Shirts eventually got what they wanted from the 2010 riots - a Thaksin PTP government in power. This government has not delivered as promised and at some point even the dumbest red thug is going to realize the true nature and agenda of PTP and then it will really hit the fan.

How would PTP handle mass Red anti-government protests one wonders.

The standard Thai response to adversity is to flee the scene.

[hellodolly]

A red shirt leader telling his people to not to stage counter-demos and not be violent? Surely this should be applauded on all sides. Well done!

Ya that kind of got me wondering what is he up to.

On the other hand perhaps Thaksin does not have as much control over the police department as believed

and Jatuporn knows that this time they will not act as parking attendants for the red shirt goons.

He did manage to get off his typical loose cannon shot at the Democrats blaming them for every thing.

[hellodolly]

Just heard part of an IN Channel report so my comment is based on what I heard not the full story but what was said was that the red shirts don't get what they want they will have " no alternative " but to take to the streets.

I suppose the government will have no alternative than to let them.

The Red Shirts eventually got what they wanted from the 2010 riots - a Thaksin PTP government in power. This government has not delivered as promised and at some point even the dumbest red thug is going to realize the true nature and agenda of PTP and then it will really hit the fan.

How would PTP handle mass Red anti-government protests one wonders.

Are you suggesting that Jatuporn is afraid that the red shirts now see through the PTP red shirt leader scam and are not willing to play the fool for them any more so Jatuporn is trying to make himself look good.

Maybe the gifts have stopped coming in and he is seeking a new source.

[phantomfiddler]

Jatuporn said what ! From where I have been sitting it has been the redshirts who have always been the ones to initiate violence. On many occasions I have seen bands of them all armed with clubs and parangs (machetes). Who does he think he is fooling ?

Red shirts Urged Not To Confront Anti-Amnesty Protesters

BANGKOK: -- As anti-government activists planned at least 2 upcoming major protests, a prominent Redshirts leader pleaded to his supporters that they should not stage a counter-protest or confront their rivals.

Mr. Jatupon Prompan, who also serves as an MP for the Pheu Thai Party, said violent confrontation is exactly what the anti-government forces want to see.

At least 2 protests were planned by anti-government activists: the one on 4 August will be organized by activists opposed to former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, the brother of Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra who is currently serving as Prime Minister, while the protest on 7 August will be focused on opposing the government-sponsored amnesty bill.

The bill, if passed, will grant amnesty to Redshirts protesters currently imprisoned for their alleged crimes during their mass protests in 2010.

The Redshirts argue the detainees were implicated in false crimes by the authorities at the time, but the opposition Democrat Party and its allies insist the amnesty bill amounts to bending the laws to forgive criminal thugs.

The protests on 7 August will be held around the House of Parliament, where the amnesty bill will be debated. Mr. Jatupon warned his fellow Redshirts not to stage a counter-rally or disrupt the anti-government protesters there.

He said he would meet with local leaders of the National United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) on 3 August to make sure they reach mutual understanding about the matter.

"In normal situation, we would respect the freedom of all Redshirts [to stage rallies]. But this is not normal situation," Mr. Jatupon told our correspondent, adding that the Redshirts should let the government handle the upcoming protests.

He went on to criticize Mr. Suthep Theugsuban, a senior Democrat MP, for encouraging people to join the anti-government protests on 7 August. Mr. Jatupon said the gesture has made it clear the Democrat Party is behind the protests, using extra-parliamentary means to overthrow the elected government.

The Redshirt MP insisted the amnesty bill would not cover the legal cases against him and other Redshirts leaders of the 2010 protests, as the bill would only give amnesty to ordinary protesters.

Full story: http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNM05USTJNVGc0TVE9PQ==

-- KHAOSOD English 2013-08-01

[h90]

A red shirt leader telling his people to not to stage counter-demos and not be violent? Surely this should be applauded on all sides. Well done!

Don't you know the fable of the scorpion and the frog? What they say is irrelevant to the nature of the beast.

Or they have already hired the black shirts so the red shirts don't need to be violent this time.

[tingtongteesood]

Jatuporn talking out his ass again, only Red Shirts want to see violence. The rest of us just want to see the crappy government gone and an end to all this nonsense...

[tingtongteesood]

I hate to say it but maybe the 'protestors' should go and 'occupy' the central shopping district as the dumb ass Reds did before and see how THIS government handles it compared to the Dems. Be equally as billigerent and difficult and see how many people get killed this time...