webfact Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Plane's landing gear had history of problems, airline saysBy Coconuts BangkokBANGKOK: -- Thai Airways International (THAI) revealed that it had encountered problems with landing gear on its Airbus A330-300 fleet prior to Sunday night's landing mishap.Part of the landing gear had also been subject to an aviation watchdog warning.On Sunday THAI A330-300 veered off the runway after landing at Suvarnabhumi airport on Sunday, injuring 40 people.THAI executive vice-president for the technical department, Flt Lt Montree Jumrieng, said Wednesday that preliminary testing showed the accident was the result of a defective bogie beam on the aircraft's landing gear. He said the faulty part caused the gear to collapse about 1km down the runway.This group of aircraft is due to be decommissioned between next year and 2017. [read more...]Full story: http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2013/09/12/planes-landing-gear-had-history-problems-airline-says -- Coconuts Bangkok 2013-09-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentbkk Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Bad maintenance of the aircraft ? Apparently this aircraft had a complete check up in April ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retell Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 they'd better repaired the landing gear i would say before it gets broken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post retell Posted September 12, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2013 Bad maintenance of the aircraft ? Apparently this aircraft had a complete check up in April ..... checked and defects noted in a report repair not needed cos can do for another 4 years just hang a few extra flowers in the cockpit and all will be fine 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ginjag Posted September 12, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2013 That saves one from having to be decommissioned. If in the next 3 years what are the replacements to be-second hand ??? they have no money to buy new, they are struggling as it is. Just have to look at this 5 or so years ago they stated here on a thread how many new aircraft they had ordered It was countless, How many have they had delivered ??? It's all well and good announcing these orders, and referbs but it's another getting on with the promise. I just want to ask if anyone has traveled on the 747 to London Have they refurbed the interiors and got the monitors on the seat backs ??? this was a priority 2 years ago to update-in line with other carriers. I am flying EVA lower price, new equip, newer planes. Thai have made me make this choice, I am a critic of them now, because I had traveled for 30 years with them and the airline has gone down hill every year so there has to be a cut off point. PITY because initially Thai used to put a smile on my face when I sat in the aircraft waiting for my journey out here. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phetaroi Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 A history of problems with the landing gear? Oh, that's reassuring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NongKhaiKid Posted September 12, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2013 Bad maintenance of the aircraft ? Apparently this aircraft had a complete check up in April ..... checked and defects noted in a report repair not needed cos can do for another 4 years just hang a few extra flowers in the cockpit and all will be fine Flowers and superstition fixes all. This would explain why yesterday the boss of Thai Airways led a prayer ceremony to ask for the speedy removal of the stricken plane from the runway. A simpleton like me would have thought some competent engineers with the proper equipment would have been all that was needed not divine intervention. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theblether Posted September 12, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2013 Scandalous, just scandalous. Profit before safety. This won't go unnoticed by the IATA, Thai Airways are now in a World of hurt and they deserve all the opprobrium coming their way. I'll be boycotting them now. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt1591 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Airbus gear has had a history of problems. I really don't like flying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) Thai Airways was aware that this model Airbus had problems with its landing gear for years, so the Thais say. The Thais first stated that this aircraft has been in service for 17 years. Now they are blaming Airbus for defective landing gear. Oh boy, these Thais. They are something else. The Thais are going up against Airbus after 17 years on defective landing gear. Wow. The Thai hubris never stops amazing. Defective landing gear hub as in "hubris." Edited September 12, 2013 by noitom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notstupid30 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) it could have been a lot worst and could have been with a brand new A380 .. Edited September 12, 2013 by Notstupid30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tywais Posted September 12, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2013 Thai Airways was aware that this model Airbus had problems with its landing gear for years, so the Thais say. There is a known issue with the A330 Bogie beam so they would be aware of it. Or are you assuming they are making it all up? Airworthiness Directive A330 31-Oct-2011 During ground load test cycles on an A340-600 aeroplane, the MLG bogie beam has prematurely fractured. The results of the investigation identified that this premature fracture was due to high tensile standing stress, resulting from dry fit axle assembly method. Improvement has been introduced subsequently with a grease fit axle assembly method. Fatigue and damage tolerance analyses were performed, whose results demonstrated that the current life limit of certain MLG bogie beams with dry fit axles installed on A330 aeroplanes only must be reduced compared to the life limit stated in the A330 Airworthiness Limitations Section (ALS) Part 1- Safe Life Airworthiness Limitation Items revision 05 approved by EASA on 29 July 2010. Failure to comply with the reduced life limit of the MLG bogie beam with dry fit axle might jeopardize the MLG structural integrity. For the reasons described above, this AD requires the replacement of the affected MLG bogie beams before reaching the new reduced life limit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeThePoster Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 THAI president Sorajak Kasemsuvan had conducted a ceremony to pray for the smooth removal of the plane Wednesday morning after heavy rain delayed salvage efforts on Tuesday night. What's the opposite of a Bung Fai ceremony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toybits Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) What else is Thai International, Thai Airways NOT TELLING US? Edited September 12, 2013 by metisdead Large font reset to normal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 The Thai mechanics probably said the front wheel needs alignment and balancing,just take it easy when landing! regards Worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Paint the bogie bars black. Sorted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1plumber Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 A friend of mine delivers new aircraft worldwide for Boeing. Granted he is biased but he describes Airbus products as "disposable aircraft" I think about that every time I board one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ginjag Posted September 12, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2013 A friend of mine delivers new aircraft worldwide for Boeing. Granted he is biased but he describes Airbus products as "disposable aircraft" I think about that every time I board one. Dreamliner new tested comes to mind. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhawk Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Remebers me on Lauda Air 004 accident of 1991 26th May, they were aware of the Thrust Reverser problems, in this case here Thai Airways had luck again but everyones luck streak sometimes end and than we might have to bemoan loss of lives. The management act irresponsibly, bad leaders bad stuff not the other way around as the guys upstairs would like to make us believe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EyesWideOpen Posted September 12, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2013 So basically it comes to whether or not Thai airways complied with the AD notice ( Airworthiness Directive) on the landing gear. Airbus will not allow Thailand to sweep this under the rug, with implied blame on the plane. So the truth on this issue will come out at some point. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beechguy Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 A history of problems with the landing gear? Oh, that's reassuring. So are you going to stop flying Airbus products? You do understand this problem isn't specific to Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peterbkk9 Posted September 12, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2013 This TG A330 landing incident seems to unleash so many passions. Sometimes unjustified nastiness. Isn't that a bit too much? I am sure the official investigation report will conclude THAI did a good job as far as maintenance is concerned. However they certainly could have handled post-incident communication better (ex: repainting of the logo, etc...) which gave critics the ammunition they were waiting for. Let's wait for the official report. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Thai Airways was aware that this model Airbus had problems with its landing gear for years, so the Thais say.There is a known issue with the A330 Bogie beam so they would be aware of it. Or are you assuming they are making it all up? Airworthiness Directive A330 31-Oct-2011During ground load test cycles on an A340-600 aeroplane, the MLG bogie beam has prematurely fractured. The results of the investigation identified that this premature fracture was due to high tensile standing stress, resulting from dry fit axle assembly method. Improvement has been introduced subsequently with a grease fit axle assembly method. Fatigue and damage tolerance analyses were performed, whose results demonstrated that the current life limit of certain MLG bogie beams with dry fit axles installed on A330 aeroplanes only must be reduced compared to the life limit stated in the A330 Airworthiness Limitations Section (ALS) Part 1- Safe Life Airworthiness Limitation Items revision 05 approved by EASA on 29 July 2010. Failure to comply with the reduced life limit of the MLG bogie beam with dry fit axle might jeopardize the MLG structural integrity. For the reasons described above, this AD requires the replacement of the affected MLG bogie beams before reaching the new reduced life limit. As other posters have commented did Thai airways act on this notification ? If they were informed of this by airbus, which they would have been, but failed to carry out the remedial work, then all liability for this accident is on them not airbus So if Thai starts mud slinging at airbus, all they will do is state Thai airways were informed of this condition on XXXX date and never carried out the required work, if it hasn't been done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 This TG A330 landing incident seems to unleash so many passions. Sometimes unjustified nastiness. Isn't that a bit too much? I am sure the official investigation report will conclude THAI did a good job as far as maintenance is concerned. However they certainly could have handled post-incident communication better (ex: repainting of the logo, etc...) which gave critics the ammunition they were waiting for. Let's wait for the official report. Er if they haven't carried out the required remediation work as detailed in the AD, they haven't done good maintenance work...as somebody pointed out profit over safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 The other thing that could be commented on, Thai have already concluded that this failure is due to a faulty part ? Referencing the AD the failure talked about one assumes is a fatigue failure, therefore I am very impressed that the thai technical services has managed to get the metallography, micro graphs, and one presumes the SEM studies of the fracture surfaces done so quickly to come to the conclusion that the root cause of the failure was due to a fatigue failure as a result of a faulty component. In the west these sorts of studies, would take some weeks to do and conclusions drawn Personally I think what has happened is that Thai have come across this AD, or where fully aware of it and as a knee jerk reaction, but the blame squarely on this and by default airbus without fully completing an investigation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbkk9 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 This TG A330 landing incident seems to unleash so many passions. Sometimes unjustified nastiness. Isn't that a bit too much? I am sure the official investigation report will conclude THAI did a good job as far as maintenance is concerned. However they certainly could have handled post-incident communication better (ex: repainting of the logo, etc...) which gave critics the ammunition they were waiting for. Let's wait for the official report. Er if they haven't carried out the required remediation work as detailed in the AD, they haven't done good maintenance work...as somebody pointed out profit over safety wait for the official report. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) This TG A330 landing incident seems to unleash so many passions. Sometimes unjustified nastiness. Isn't that a bit too much? I am sure the official investigation report will conclude THAI did a good job as far as maintenance is concerned. However they certainly could have handled post-incident communication better (ex: repainting of the logo, etc...) which gave critics the ammunition they were waiting for. Let's wait for the official report. Er if they haven't carried out the required remediation work as detailed in the AD, they haven't done good maintenance work...as somebody pointed out profit over safety wait for the official report. Er which one ? The one that blames airbus or the one that blames Thai.......we are playing the corporate blame game and fingers will be pointed in both directions and eventually the pilot will cop the blame for human errorIf have absolutely no problem waiting for the official report, but seeing as Thai themselves are preempting the official report by already apportioning a root cause, no reason why this cant be debated already Edited September 12, 2013 by Soutpeel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 This TG A330 landing incident seems to unleash so many passions. Sometimes unjustified nastiness. Isn't that a bit too much? I am sure the official investigation report will conclude THAI did a good job as far as maintenance is concerned. However they certainly could have handled post-incident communication better (ex: repainting of the logo, etc...) which gave critics the ammunition they were waiting for. Let's wait for the official report. Er if they haven't carried out the required remediation work as detailed in the AD, they haven't done good maintenance work...as somebody pointed out profit over safety wait for the official report. I'll wait for the assessment of the assessment of the report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beechguy Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 This TG A330 landing incident seems to unleash so many passions. Sometimes unjustified nastiness. Isn't that a bit too much? I am sure the official investigation report will conclude THAI did a good job as far as maintenance is concerned. However they certainly could have handled post-incident communication better (ex: repainting of the logo, etc...) which gave critics the ammunition they were waiting for. Let's wait for the official report. Er if they haven't carried out the required remediation work as detailed in the AD, they haven't done good maintenance work...as somebody pointed out profit over safety wait for the official report. Er which one ? The one that blames airbus or the one that blames Thai.......we are playing the corporate blame game and fingers will be pointed in both directions and eventually the pilot will cop the blame for human errorIf have absolutely no problem waiting for the official report, but seeing as Thai themselves are preempting the official report by already apportioning a root cause, no reason why this cant be debated already And there will be a paper trail of maintenance paper work, etc. by Thai Air. That may not be made public, but I'm sure if there is a question Airbus would get a look. Until then, mostly all I have seen are ignorant comments by people who don't know anything about the aviation business, and that may include Thai Air management from the look in the news media. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobfish Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Agree with peterbkk9 and beechguy. A lot of armchair aviation opinions - remind me a little of the old quote 'it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak out and remove all doubt'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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