Bangkok Administration worried as Pasak Dam gets ready to release water

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BMA worried as Pasak Dam gets ready to release water
The Nation



Downstream communities warned of inundation, Lop Buri district submerged

BANGKOK: -- People living downstream from Lop Buri's Pasak Jolasid Dam have been warned to brace for flooding today and tomorrow, as the dam will discharge more than 700 cubic metres of water per second on both days.

The Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) has said the situation is worrisome, as the province is just 150 kilometres away.

"The level of the Chao Phraya River around Pak Klong Talad in Bangkok is about 1.97 metres above mean sea level," Adisak Khantee said yesterday in his capacity as chief of the BMA's Drainage and Sewerage Department.

Flood barriers alongside most of the river's stretch in Bangkok stand 2.5-3 metres above mean sea level.

As of press time, the level of flood waters in Lop Buri's Chai Badan district was rising fast because of water discharged from the dam. Adisak said the BMA was also paying close attention to rising water levels in Nakhon Nayok and Prachin Buri.

"We have to watch out for Bangkok's eastern zones," he |said.

He said the BMA had asked the Royal Irrigation Department to divide the excess water between the Chao Phraya and Bang Pakong rivers.

Adisak said that if Nong Chok, Min Buri and Klong Sam Wa districts suffered from huge amounts of water, Bangkok's inner city might also face an impact.

"If that happens, we will need to channel some water into the Saen Saeb Canal that runs through the inner zone," he said.

Banharn Silapa-archa, chief adviser to the agriculture minister, said Bangkok might be flooded for a day or two, though he predicted that the situation for riverside communities in Pathum Thani would be worse.

"They should be prepared," he said, pointing out that the Pasak Jolasid Dam needed to discharge a huge amount of water every day because its was already 110 per cent full.

The Pasak River is a tributary of the Chao Phraya, which runs through Pathum Thani, Nonthaburi Bangkok and Samut Prakan before draining into the sea.

Floods, meanwhile, have ravaged 28 provinces, with Prachin Buri's Kabin Buri district suffering the worst inundation in 24 years.

In Chon Buri, a part of the Amata Nakorn Industrial Estate was flooded, but it did not affect the operation of any of the factories there.

The State Railway of Thailand has suspended services in Nakhon Ratchasima, announcing that there will be no trains running between Klongkananjit and Klongpai stations in Sikhiu district as the tracks were under 10 to 15 centimetres of water. SRT said the service would remain suspended until water levels dropped.

Trains between Ban Dong Bang and Kabin Buri stations in Prachin Buri have also been halted because of flooding. The Bangkok-Aranyaprathet and Bangkok-Kabin Buri trains will now terminate at the Prachin Buri station.


-- The Nation 2013-10-09

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BKK raises sluice gates to help disperse water mass in Pathumthani

BANGKOK, 9 October 2013 (NNT) – Bangkok Governor Sukhumbhand Paribatra on Tuesday ordered sluice gates to be raised higher to release water from Pathumthani to the north of Bangkok, in order to help disperse the water mass into the sea.

M.R. Sukhumbhand on Tuesday inspected the water levels at the Song Sai Tai canal, the Song Sam Wa canal, and the Saen Saeb canal in the capital city, and said afterwards that the water level at one of the sluice gates was below critical level. Thus, he ordered the gate to be raised to 30 centimeters from 10 centimeters previously. This was done to help absorb water flow from Pathumthani province as well as some outlying areas of Bangkok.

According to the Governor, the water levels near 25 riverside communities, most of which are located along sections of the Chao Phraya river that have not been reinforced with water barriers, remain under constant monitoring by City Hall officials.


-- NNT 2013-10-09

[MaxLee]

BKK raises sluice gates to help disperse water mass incrapload-sacrifice Pathumthani for the sake of Bangkok only Bangkok

When government agencies control the provinces, we can all assured to panic each and every day. Edited October 8, 2013 by MaxLee

[bonobo]

The Pasak River is a tributary of the Chao Phraya, which runs through Pathum Thani, Nonthaburi Bangkok and Samut Prakan before draining into the sea.

I live in Nonthaburi, and I wasn't familiar with the Pasak, so I looked it up. It runs from Phetchabun Province, to Lopburi, to Saraburi. It joins the Chao Phraya southeast of Ayutthaya. I'm not sure how Nonthaburi and Samut Prakan entered into the mix. The increased flow will affect the Chao Phraya River, to be sure, but the Pasak itself does not flow the the stated areas.

[siampolee]

Banharn Silapa-archa, chief adviser to the agriculture minister, said Bangkok might be flooded for a day or two, though he predicted that the situation for riverside communities in Pathum Thani would be worse.

Thus speaks the slippery eel showing his contempt for the Thai people,

[sjjmmi]

The Pasak River is a tributary of the Chao Phraya, which runs through Pathum Thani, Nonthaburi Bangkok and Samut Prakan before draining into the sea.

I live in Nonthaburi, and I wasn't familiar with the Pasak, so I looked it up. It runs from Phetchabun Province, to Lopburi, to Saraburi. It joins the Chao Phraya southeast of Ayutthaya. I'm not sure how Nonthaburi and Samut Prakan entered into the mix. The increased flow will affect the Chao Phraya River, to be sure, the the Pasak itself does not flow the the stated areas.

May be he forgot to say its coming over land and not down the rivers

[thaidel48]

The dam is 110 % full? Why on earth doesn't some one occasionally think mmmm.. looks a bit full to me a bit earlier in the rainy season and think .. well if we let some out now there will be enough space for more water next time it rains. If they monitored flow in flow out coupled with the weather forecast it could be a continus flow and level.

[newermonkey]

Why don't they just pass the water through the new tunnel? (Oh I forgot that promised project and money allocation was just BS last year to shut people up)

Hope they warn those nice people in the rice fields before they release the water and wipe out the crop!!

[iancnx]

The dam is 110 % full? Why on earth doesn't some one occasionally think mmmm.. looks a bit full to me a bit earlier in the rainy season and think .. well if we let some out now there will be enough space for more water next time it rains. If they monitored flow in flow out coupled with the weather forecast it could be a continus flow and level.

+1. Ludicrous situation. NO lessons learnt from 2 years ago it seems. And more to come.....

[Crushdepth]

M.R. Sukhumbhand on Tuesday inspected the water levels at the Song Sai Tai canal, the Song Sam Wa canal, and the Saen Saeb canal in the capital city, and said afterwards that the water level at one of the sluice gates was below critical level. Thus, he ordered the gate to be raised to 30 centimeters from 10 centimeters previously. This was done to help absorb water flow from Pathumthani province as well as some outlying areas of Bangkok.

Why a politician should have any say over sluice gates or flood control is quite beyond me.

Anyway here we go again, dams discharging on top of a flood. Genius at work.

Edited October 9, 2013 by Crushdepth

[SOTIRIOS]

............yesterday it was OPENED......

....today.........again.......they WILL OPEN IT.........

.....oh, I understand now.....

.....and as for the flooding......yes.....no...maybe...1 day.2 days.........etc, etc, etc.......

(...and now from 350 billion baht that was taken for flooding...the figure has magically changed to 120 billion)

[JoeThePoster]

Banharn Silapa-archa, chief adviser to the agriculture minister, said Bangkok might be flooded for a day or two, though he predicted that the situation for riverside communities in Pathum Thani would be worse.


"They should be prepared," he said, pointing out that the Pasak Jolasid Dam needed to discharge a huge amount of water every day because its was already 110 per cent full.

Gotta admire this guy, multi-talented he is and and expert with figures. 110% jeez.

Edited October 9, 2013 by JoeThePoster

[gemini81]

............yesterday it was OPENED......

....today.........again.......they WILL OPEN IT.........

.....oh, I understand now.....

.....and as for the flooding......yes.....no...maybe...1 day.2 days.........etc, etc, etc.......

(...and now from 350 billion baht that was taken for flooding...the figure has magically changed to 120 billion)

And 350 is only what they told the public; what are the real figures? Pink bentleys, international trips, shopping sprees and 200,000 meals shows up this admin is just raping the country and collecting all they can while they're in office.

[Porthmadog]

Sad to see such flooding, where i live in Saraburi, we have similar probelms each year and water from the dam get released our farm land is under water.

people dont undertsand that the floods carry all kinds of nasties and bacteria that will make people sick, those who have cuts or abrassions.

[Thaddeus]

Banharn Silapa-archa, chief adviser to the agriculture minister, said Bangkok might be flooded for a day or two, though he predicted that the situation for riverside communities in Pathum Thani would be worse.


"They should be prepared," he said, pointing out that the Pasak Jolasid Dam needed to discharge a huge amount of water every day because its was already 110 per cent full.

Gotta admire this guy, multi-talented he is and and expert with figures. 110% jeez.

Next job........ football pundit.

[Baerboxer]

The dam is 110 % full? Why on earth doesn't some one occasionally think mmmm.. looks a bit full to me a bit earlier in the rainy season and think .. well if we let some out now there will be enough space for more water next time it rains. If they monitored flow in flow out coupled with the weather forecast it could be a continus flow and level.

Because that would require management, thought and decision making. Not going to happen. No one wants the responsibility of taking a decision which they may get wrong. And of course, politicians have to be involved to make sure any decision taken does not adversely affect the well connected and HiSos and that any opportunities for scamming are taken into consideration.

Anyone who believes the current government will make any improvements in this are either very optimistic or naieve. They are simply not interested other than in awarding large contracts and receiving the commissions. Whether the projects are delivered, are correct quality, conform to EIA, or make any actual improvements is all immaterial.

Banharn promised all the floods would be gone in 7 days - now he's warning of flooding for 1-2 days? KY promises everything under control, don't worry, then takes the opportunity for photo ops and promoting "humanitarian generous brother". Now its getting more serious, facilitated by the inept and showing up what's not been done in 2 years, she makes herself scarce and buggers off. Same Same. PTP will change nothing as long as it remains a "good earner". And they know that people will still vote for them!

[Bagwan]

Banharn Silapa-archa, chief adviser to the agriculture minister, said Bangkok might be flooded for a day or two, though he predicted that the situation for riverside communities in Pathum Thani would be worse.

Thus speaks the slippery eel showing his contempt for the Thai people,

Didn't he vow that the waters would subside within 7 days - over 7 days ago?

[Bagwan]

Banharn Silapa-archa, chief adviser to the agriculture minister, said Bangkok might be flooded for a day or two, though he predicted that the situation for riverside communities in Pathum Thani would be worse.


"They should be prepared," he said, pointing out that the Pasak Jolasid Dam needed to discharge a huge amount of water every day because its was already 110 per cent full.

Gotta admire this guy, multi-talented he is and and expert with figures. 110% jeez.

Thailand's very own Gordon Brown.

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UPDATE:

Floods from North has nothing to do with current water level in Bangkok

BANGKOK, 9 October 2013 (NNT) - National Disaster Warning Center (NDWC) chief, Somsak Khaosuwan, has updated the water situation in Bangkok, Nonthaburi and Pathum Thani that rising sea levels will result in water levels in the Chao Phraya river to rise in the next couple of days.

Residents living in riverside communities will be affected by the rising level of water. Mr. Somsak, however, assured that rain and rising sea levels were the causes, not the flood from the North.

The situation should improve next week, according to the NDWC chief, adding that other areas that still need constant monitoring include the Khao Soi Dao mountain range and Khao Soi Dao waterfalls - the two key locations in the East that still have tendencies for more water intake.

Should water levels increase in the two areas, provinces that would likely be affected as a result of water passing down draining into the sea are Sa Kaeo, Prachinburi, and Chachoengsao, respectively.

-- NNT 2013-10-09

[Pimay1]

............yesterday it was OPENED......

....today.........again.......they WILL OPEN IT.........

.....oh, I understand now.....

.....and as for the flooding......yes.....no...maybe...1 day.2 days.........etc, etc, etc.......

(...and now from 350 billion baht that was taken for flooding...the figure has magically changed to 120 billion)

And 350 is only what they told the public; what are the real figures? Pink bentleys, international trips, shopping sprees and 200,000 meals shows up this admin is just raping the country and collecting all they can while they're in office.

Lest we forget the twenty coffee tables they bought. Retail price 60/70k Baht each. They paid one million Baht each.

[NoshowJones]

Banharn Silapa-archa, chief adviser to the agriculture minister, said Bangkok might be flooded for a day or two, though he predicted that the situation for riverside communities in Pathum Thani would be worse.


"They should be prepared," he said, pointing out that the Pasak Jolasid Dam needed to discharge a huge amount of water every day because its was already 110 per cent full.

Gotta admire this guy, multi-talented he is and and expert with figures. 110% jeez.

Thailand's very own Gordon Brown.

I don't think any politician in the world could be as bad as Gordon Brown.

[MaxLee]

UPDATE:

Floods from North has nothing to do with current water level in Bangkok

BANGKOK, 9 October 2013 (NNT) - National Disaster Warning Center (NDWC) chief, Somsak Khaosuwan, has updated the water situation in Bangkok, Nonthaburi and Pathum Thani that rising sea levels will result in water levels in the Chao Phraya river to rise in the next couple of days.

Residents living in riverside communities will be affected by the rising level of water. Mr. Somsak, however, assured that rain and rising sea levels were the causes, not the flood from the North.

The situation should improve next week, according to the NDWC chief, adding that other areas that still need constant monitoring include the Khao Soi Dao mountain range and Khao Soi Dao waterfalls - the two key locations in the East that still have tendencies for more water intake.

Should water levels increase in the two areas, provinces that would likely be affected as a result of water passing down draining into the sea are Sa Kaeo, Prachinburi, and Chachoengsao, respectively.

-- NNT 2013-10-09

He didn't know, she didn't know, we won't ever know, because those government agencies are full of crap, so we in other words it's time to panic now for the Northern Bangkok banks...

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RT @terryfrd:

Believe it or not, the rain-makers are flying in the North where major dams are alarmingly low on water / Thai PBS

[MaxLee]

RT @terryfrd:

Believe it or not, the rain-makers are flying in the North where major dams are alarmingly low on water / Thai PBS

Huh, what???? From my former professor's Facebook picture, the floods in Pakkred is extremely high already

[thhMan]

cmon... Thais cant follow basic road rules, so why does anyone think they can run a country... Its just kids playing as grownups

[moe666]

M.R. Sukhumbhand on Tuesday inspected the water levels at the Song Sai Tai canal, the Song Sam Wa canal, and the Saen Saeb canal in the capital city, and said afterwards that the water level at one of the sluice gates was below critical level. Thus, he ordered the gate to be raised to 30 centimeters from 10 centimeters previously. This was done to help absorb water flow from Pathumthani province as well as some outlying areas of Bangkok.

Why a politician should have any say over sluice gates or flood control is quite beyond me.

Anyway here we go again, dams discharging on top of a flood. Genius at work.

Maybe you should keep up with the news as there has been a lot of rain and run off over the last several weeks filling the dams above capacity. Until the last fee weeks the majority of dams in Thailand were all filled to the 50 or 60 percent level.

[AleG]

The dam is 110 % full? Why on earth doesn't some one occasionally think mmmm.. looks a bit full to me a bit earlier in the rainy season and think .. well if we let some out now there will be enough space for more water next time it rains. If they monitored flow in flow out coupled with the weather forecast it could be a continus flow and level.

I suspect they keep the water levels high so they can support all the extra rice farming due to the Rice Scheme.

Dams retaining water to allow time for the harvest was one of the reasons behind the 2011 floods.

[David Mault]

What was that? 350 billion baht? 120 billion to do some work. That leaves 230 billion baht for tea money. Hey I'm im the wrong business.

[dcutman]

This isnt going to help the situation much. Looks like it will be here about this time next week.

[MaxLee]

The dam is 110 % full? Why on earth doesn't some one occasionally think mmmm.. looks a bit full to me a bit earlier in the rainy season and think .. well if we let some out now there will be enough space for more water next time it rains. If they monitored flow in flow out coupled with the weather forecast it could be a continus flow and level.

I suspect they keep the water levels high so they can support all the extra rice farming due to the Rice Scheme.

Dams retaining water to allow time for the harvest was one of the reasons behind the 2011 floods.

That makes absolute sense for such a government sponsored activity. And when it's hot and dry, they keep the water in the dams