PM Yingluck assigns Council of State to study charter court ruling for next move

[webfact]

PM assigns Council of State to study charter court ruling for next move
By English News



BANGKOK, Nov 23 - Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra yesterday said she has assigned the Council of State to thoroughly study the Constitution Court ruling on the charter amendment draft on the composition of the Senate.

The premier also expressed her worry about social divisiveness following the Court verdict which ruled that the government MPs and senators breached the charter in passing the bill to change the composition of the Senate.

Ms Yingluck said she has instructed the Council of State, as the government's legal advisor, to consider what the government should do for the next step.

The premier called on all parties to comply with the law and help find a way out of the crisis.

Government spokesman Teerat Ratanasevi today said the prime minister called off her official visit to Singapore to meet with her Singaporean counterpart, scheduled for November 26-27, as a censure debate is set during the same period.

Meanwhile, the anti-government Network of Students and People for Thailand’s Reform today marched to Chamai Maruchet Bridge near Government House to submit a letter to Ms Yingluck demanding that she and her Cabinet suspend their duties following the court ruling.

The letter was handed to Satit Suthiserm, representative from the Office of the Permanent Secretary for the Prime Minister's Office.

At the same time, Prasan Maruekapithak representing the "40 Senators Group" and Wanchai Sornsiri today submitted an additional complaint to the Office of National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) seeking impeachment of the 312 MPs and senators who voted for the controversial bill.

Arkom Phonpornklang, lawyer for the pro-government movement, the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), filed a counter petition against the NACC move to investigate the case.

He said the anti-graft agency has no right to consider the case and the action of the 312 lawmakers cannot be considered as either corruption or malfeasance.

However, he said, the NACC's continued investigation could violate the Constitution.

Mr Arkom said he, as a Thai citizen, will also file a complaint against the charter court next week, reasoning that the court's consideration of the case has breached the Constitution.

Senate Speaker Nikom Wairatpanich said he will call a meeting next week of senators who were ruled by the Constitution Court to have breached the charter and will announce the group's stance.

Mr Nikom said it is possible that the group will not accept the court ruling, in line with the stance of the ruling Pheu Thai Party which earlier announced its rejection of the court's authority.

The Senate Speaker said he is unworried and is ready to clarify himself after the NACC accepted the impeachment petition against him. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2013-11-23

[NeverSure]

[NongKhaiKid]

Yl ' assigns ' oh please...LoL

[Crushdepth]

If she's worried about social divisiveness she could just stop doing socially divisive things.

Too hard?

[Tatsujin]

Yl ' assigns ' oh please...LoL

Yingluck is told who, what, how, where, etc. The only decisions she (possibly) makes on her own is what color shoes to wear. But she probably has someone to tell her that too. Barbie playing at Politics. Where's Ken?

Edited November 23, 2013 by Tatsujin

[NongKhaiKid]

Yl ' assigns ' oh please...LoL

Yingluck is told who, what, how, where, etc. The only decisions she (possibly) makes on her own is what color shoes to wear. But she probably has someone to tell her that too. Barbie playing at Politics. Where's Ken?

He was told DSI were looking for him and would be summoned to report on the 12th of never.

Clean out bank accounts an head for Monte.., Monte.. that place.

Hey there Barbie lets go party

[Thainy Tim]

You would have thought that in the 2.5 years she has been PM, she would have used some of that time to study politics, democracy and how the constitution works. She should know it inside out by now. Yet she refers everything to legal experts because she does not understand the first thing about her own country's political system..... In short.... She is an airhead.

She hasn't done a single thing in all that time that can be construed as running the country. She has just passed everything over, and pissed off shopping. I hope she understands that for the rest of her life, people will be pointing the finger at her and saying 'there goes that stupid idiot that was the worst prime minister Thailand ever had'.

Edited November 23, 2013 by Thainy Tim

[worgeordie]

It must be very frustrating for the Government,they have big majority

in Parliament,the House speaker is far from neutral,the DSI ,the Police

all seem to back the Government,the Army not sure, so the Government

is holding a royal flush,and they still cannot ram through legislation that

would bring the Big Brother home a free man,whitewashed,get his loose

change returned @ 7.5 % interest.and be free to reek havoc on his enemies.

If they still cannot win with that hand maybe they should fold,all bugger off

and let the country run its self or find one honest man (not easy) to take

charge (a kind of dictator,but not) get the country back on track,stop all

these stupid populist policies.and move forward,to put the Country first.

regards Worgeordie

[lovetotravel]

It must be very frustrating for the Government,they have big majority

in Parliament,the House speaker is far from neutral,the DSI ,the Police

all seem to back the Government,the Army not sure, so the Government

is holding a royal flush,and they still cannot ram through legislation that

would bring the Big Brother home a free man,whitewashed,get his loose

change returned @ 7.5 % interest.and be free to reek havoc on his enemies.

If they still cannot win with that hand maybe they should fold,all bugger off

and let the country run its self or find one honest man (not easy) to take

charge (a kind of dictator,but not) get the country back on track,stop all

these stupid populist policies.and move forward,to put the Country first.

regards Worgeordie

If they did this, how would they be able to afford their luxury cars, foreign trips and other expensive goodies???

[Thaddeus]

The premier called on all parties to comply with the law and help find a way out of the crisis.

If your party complied with the law, this crisis wouldn't be happening.

[laurentbkk]

I never really understood thai politic , and I am glad actually ..... just noticed that one government or other , nothing really change !

[webfact]

PM asserts charter amendment proceedings legally sound

BANGKOK, 23 November 2013 (NNT) – Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has that asserted the government's proceedings to amend the charter was legally sound, and the recent ruling by the Constitutional Court did not have precedent.

According to Ms. Yingluck, the Office of the Council of State has been tasked with studying the court verdict. Regarding the Phuea Thai Party's announcement it will not accept the authority of the Constitutional Court, Ms. Yingluck said it was the right of each person to make such an expression. However, she noted that the power to amend the charter rests with the legislative branch, and so she would like to have some time to study what has happened. The prime minister added she believes the National Anti-Corruption Commission, which is considering a petition calling for the removal of 312 members of parliament, will deliberate the issue justifiably.

Education Minister Chaturon Chaisaeng on Friday wrote in his facebook that the Constitutional Court did not have the power to rule on charter amendment to start with. He asserted it also did not have the power to audit Parliament's law amending process or rule on Parliament's regulations.


-- NNT 2013-11-23

[Thaddeus]

Education Minister Chaturon Chaisaeng on Friday wrote in his facebook that the Constitutional Court did not have the power to rule on charter amendment to start with. He asserted it also did not have the power to audit Parliament's law amending process or rule on Parliament's regulations.

-- NNT 2013-11-23

Ok then, please explain what they do have the power to do?

[slapout]

If the Prime Minister and the Education Mnister are the members of the present government, deligated to decide legality of the consitution, national laws, etc ,I doubt this will bring a rush of support to their side. The thoughts/advice of those whose expertise is following instructions, which have resulted in screwing up a working system might also be at the lower end of the believability bracket.

[Thait Spot]

It must be very frustrating for the Government,they have big majority

in Parliament,the House speaker is far from neutral,the DSI ,the Police 

all seem to back the Government,the Army not sure, so the Government

is holding a royal flush,and they still cannot ram through legislation that 

would bring the Big Brother home a free man,whitewashed,get his loose

change returned @ 7.5 % interest.and be free to reek havoc on his enemies.

 

If they still cannot win with that hand maybe they should fold,all bugger off

and let the country run its self or find one honest man (not easy) to take

charge (a kind of dictator,but not) get the country back on track,stop all

these stupid populist policies.and move forward,to put the Country first.

regards Worgeordie

Nicely put.

Reminded me of Monty Python

Bold miss Yingluck has buggered off

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[cornishcarlos]

I can't keep up...

I'm sure yesterday, her deputy spokesperson (that other woman) said that the bill had nothing to do with the government. It was those naughty MPs that voted it through..

I shouldn't laugh but it is comical

[Baerboxer]

PM asserts charter amendment proceedings legally sound

BANGKOK, 23 November 2013 (NNT) – Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has that asserted the government's proceedings to amend the charter was legally sound, and the recent ruling by the Constitutional Court did not have precedent.

According to Ms. Yingluck, the Office of the Council of State has been tasked with studying the court verdict. Regarding the Phuea Thai Party's announcement it will not accept the authority of the Constitutional Court, Ms. Yingluck said it was the right of each person to make such an expression. However, she noted that the power to amend the charter rests with the legislative branch, and so she would like to have some time to study what has happened. The prime minister added she believes the National Anti-Corruption Commission, which is considering a petition calling for the removal of 312 members of parliament, will deliberate the issue justifiably.

Education Minister Chaturon Chaisaeng on Friday wrote in his facebook that the Constitutional Court did not have the power to rule on charter amendment to start with. He asserted it also did not have the power to audit Parliament's law amending process or rule on Parliament's regulations.

-- NNT 2013-11-23

So it's now all a game of finding the legal loophole, interpreting the words how you want to, and seeing which lawyers can come up with the smartest interpretation.

She's conveniently ignoring the other facts - that parliamentary procedures were abused. Opposition speakers weren't allowed time to speak, PTP MPs illegally voted for colleagues.

But hey, the PM says it's all legally sound. And as we know, a Shiniwattra is never wrong! (Just the odd honest mistake along the way),

I hope she really considers the likely consequences if she now tries to ram this through, along with the 2.2 trillion loan bill and then resurrects the suspended amnesty bill to whitewash her brother, the same bill she lied to the people had been killed and wouldn't be pursued.

The Constitutional Court gave PTP a chance by not ordering their dissolution. That may be regretted later.

[Bagwan]

You would have thought that in the 2.5 years she has been PM, she would have used some of that time to study politics, democracy and how the constitution works. She should know it inside out by now. Yet she refers everything to legal experts because she does not understand the first thing about her own country's political system..... In short.... She is an airhead.

She hasn't done a single thing in all that time that can be construed as running the country. She has just passed everything over, and pissed off shopping. I hope she understands that for the rest of her life, people will be pointing the finger at her and saying 'there goes that stupid idiot that was the worst prime minister Thailand ever had'.

In itself quite an achievement.

[Thai at Heart]

PM asserts charter amendment proceedings legally sound

BANGKOK, 23 November 2013 (NNT) Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has that asserted the government's proceedings to amend the charter was legally sound, and the recent ruling by the Constitutional Court did not have precedent.

According to Ms. Yingluck, the Office of the Council of State has been tasked with studying the court verdict. Regarding the Phuea Thai Party's announcement it will not accept the authority of the Constitutional Court, Ms. Yingluck said it was the right of each person to make such an expression. However, she noted that the power to amend the charter rests with the legislative branch, and so she would like to have some time to study what has happened. The prime minister added she believes the National Anti-Corruption Commission, which is considering a petition calling for the removal of 312 members of parliament, will deliberate the issue justifiably.

Education Minister Chaturon Chaisaeng on Friday wrote in his facebook that the Constitutional Court did not have the power to rule on charter amendment to start with. He asserted it also did not have the power to audit Parliament's law amending process or rule on Parliament's regulations.

-- NNT 2013-11-23

So it's now all a game of finding the legal loophole, interpreting the words how you want to, and seeing which lawyers can come up with the smartest interpretation.

She's conveniently ignoring the other facts - that parliamentary procedures were abused. Opposition speakers weren't allowed time to speak, PTP MPs illegally voted for colleagues.

But hey, the PM says it's all legally sound. And as we know, a Shiniwattra is never wrong! (Just the odd honest mistake along the way),

I hope she really considers the likely consequences if she now tries to ram this through, along with the 2.2 trillion loan bill and then resurrects the suspended amnesty bill to whitewash her brother, the same bill she lied to the people had been killed and wouldn't be pursued.

The Constitutional Court gave PTP a chance by not ordering their dissolution. That may be regretted later.

Indeed, that should be enough to chuck it out, and the whole proxy voting nonsense is so cheap.

It's like watching kids voting for school president. What hope of stopping corruption when this lot can't follow basic voting procedures?

[Bagwan]

Did it ever cross this vacuous woman's mind that it would have been a good idea to consult with the Council of State BEFORE deciding on a course of action?

[ratcatcher]

It must be very frustrating for the Government,they have big majority

in Parliament,the House speaker is far from neutral,the DSI ,the Police

all seem to back the Government,the Army not sure, so the Government

is holding a royal flush,and they still cannot ram through legislation that

would bring the Big Brother home a free man,whitewashed,get his loose

change returned @ 7.5 % interest.and be free to reek havoc on his enemies.

If they still cannot win with that hand maybe they should fold,all bugger off

and let the country run its self or find one honest man (not easy) to take

charge (a kind of dictator,but not) get the country back on track,stop all

these stupid populist policies.and move forward,to put the Country first.

regards Worgeordie

worgeordie, the royal flushes (four of) the government is holding are the same as below.

The parliament is rife with knaves and jokers. The other picture cards are unmentionable and rightly so.

[ballpoint]

If she's worried about social divisiveness she could just stop doing socially divisive things.

Too hard?

"This amnesty bill will bring about national reconciliation".

[phantomfiddler]

The poor dear is confused, how come everyone isn,t deceived by that smile anymore ? Anyway, on what to do next, just ask "Bruv" !

[khunken]

Education Minister Chaturon Chaisaeng on Friday wrote in his facebook that the Constitutional Court did not have the power to rule on charter amendment to start with. He asserted it also did not have the power to audit Parliament's law amending process or rule on Parliament's regulations.

He is one of the few PTP ministers that one can forgive for toeing the party line but this is unforgivable. No, it's stupid.

As for YL, she just issues bland empty statements because she has been dropped in the <deleted> by her beloved bro' for the second time in a few weeks. She needs to sort out the rejected bill that has been sent to HM and will sit in limbo until formerly withdrawn.

All the rhetoric about rejecting the senate bill is making them look even more incompetent and their public hearing in Samut Songkram rather backfired. More evidence of paying supporters to attend doesn't help either.

[Badbanker]

PM asserts charter amendment proceedings legally sound

BANGKOK, 23 November 2013 (NNT) – Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has that asserted the government's proceedings to amend the charter was legally sound, and the recent ruling by the Constitutional Court did not have precedent.

-- NNT 2013-11-23

Precedent? I am lost somehow! Thailand does not use "British Common Law" which is based on precedent!

In Thai Law there is no possibility to set precedents, as they would very often be based on self interest. In Thai courts, judges make their minds up on each issue without the back up of thousands of recorded legal cases and hundreds of years of legal precedents in the common law library to quote. Another reason why there are no juries in Thailand. They would all be bought!

So what now, does Yingluck want to revert to a Common Law system?

[Crushdepth]

PM asserts charter amendment proceedings legally sound

BANGKOK, 23 November 2013 (NNT) – Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has that asserted the government's proceedings to amend the charter was legally sound, and the recent ruling by the Constitutional Court did not have precedent.

According to Ms. Yingluck, the Office of the Council of State has been tasked with studying the court verdict. Regarding the Phuea Thai Party's announcement it will not accept the authority of the Constitutional Court, Ms. Yingluck said it was the right of each person to make such an expression. However, she noted that the power to amend the charter rests with the legislative branch, and so she would like to have some time to study what has happened. The prime minister added she believes the National Anti-Corruption Commission, which is considering a petition calling for the removal of 312 members of parliament, will deliberate the issue justifiably.

Education Minister Chaturon Chaisaeng on Friday wrote in his facebook that the Constitutional Court did not have the power to rule on charter amendment to start with. He asserted it also did not have the power to audit Parliament's law amending process or rule on Parliament's regulations.

-- NNT 2013-11-23

Is it legally sound for members of Parliament to fraudulently vote with other members cards?

Pathetic.

[jpeg]

It must be very frustrating for the Government,they have big majority

in Parliament,the House speaker is far from neutral,the DSI ,the Police

all seem to back the Government,the Army not sure, so the Government

is holding a royal flush,and they still cannot ram through legislation that

would bring the Big Brother home a free man,whitewashed,get his loose

change returned @ 7.5 % interest.and be free to reek havoc on his enemies.

If they still cannot win with that hand maybe they should fold,all bugger off

and let the country run its self or find one honest man (not easy) to take

charge (a kind of dictator,but not) get the country back on track,stop all

these stupid populist policies.and move forward,to put the Country first.

regards Worgeordie

Would've 'liked' this, but it's a 'given' this is not going to happen. They'd rather be pushed than jump. Too much money invested already.

[Crushdepth]

Dictators do not leave office voluntarily. They need to be escorted to the door and have their head bounced off the pavement, in this case multiple times.

[noikrit]

I'm with you Yingluck !!!! ..... Let's go shopping !! .... Dubai ???? ...Sure!! .. your (brothers) shout !!!

Edited November 23, 2013 by noikrit

[indyuk]

If she's worried about social divisiveness she could just stop doing socially divisive things.

Too hard?

You're confused "Crushdepth" the PM is working for the people while the ex PM seems to be working,for vested interests that have little regard for the people.