Suthep playing with Cambodian fire

[JAG]

Yes, there's little to substantiate Suthep's allegations. It makes no sense to use Cambodians. There are plenty of angry Thais who are ready to attack the PDRC, in any case. However, going back to Tharit's suggestion of foreign involvement in the PDRC rallies. Apparently one protest leader, Issara Somchai, has hired some men who claim to be former French Foreign Legion as part of his security detail. Here is one of them:

There's no evidence these men have been involved in violence. I only point it out because I saw the suggestion that the FFL were involved - dismissed it as ridiculous - but then someone on Twitter claimed to have spoken to these men who told him that they'd been hired as 'security advisors' for Issara. I guess it's not that strange after all, I've heard that some other prominent Thais also have foreigners advising on security, ex special forces and the like. Presumably these guys are just there to give advice, not actually use weapons...

I suspect he is a "Walt" ( as in Walter Mitty). No self respecting soldier, whether "special" or pedestrian would be seen dead in a ditch wearing a hat as silly as that one!

Its a definite " hat DILAC", as in don't I look a c***!

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[asiamint]

Suthep failed to offer any actual evidence, instead launching rash allegations against a neighbouring country to conceal the protesters' political mistake in turning against democracy.

Just pointing out this journalist is contradicting himself, i don't know what claims are true or not, but when someone senior comes out In the Service of King and Country and makes the same claim then would you not say that what Suthep said has some basis In fact. The Journalist goes on to say

Navy Special Warfare Commander Winai Klom-in had previously claimed that Cambodians had been smuggled into Thailand to target the protesters

If this was America or UK and someone that decorated and respected had come and said the same thing, would it not have some credence? So why not In Thailand?

One thing I know as fact Is that Hun Sen is a mafia don with blood on his hands for the last 3 decades,any one want to argue that fact?

Would it not make sense for Hun Sen to pull out all the stops with his underling in Dubai to retain his power in Thailand, considering the awful human rights track record of both individuals. It amazes me that people can be so naive as not to at least consider the possibility.

Hun Sen is a criminal and what do criminals do to protect themselves?

Big money at steak here and their power bases and with that in mind would it not be plausible that violence has and is on the their agenda. But according to the Nation there is a 0% chance because the Cambodian government is so innocent and angel like.

This Nation editorial is a shameful piece.

Let me say why

Garment workers being shot dead on the street and you say nothing about how brutal the Cambodian government can and could be,

You mention nothing about the close bond and friendship between the two mafia dons and the huge contracts they have worked together on

You mention noting about the murders Hun Sen has been linked to(the last 3 decades) before he started killing garment workers

No mention of his Killing Fields past

In this article you make out that Cambodia is a normal run of the mill country, when In fact it's not. Cambodia has a murderer as the head of state and crime is his game, is this not a fact?

Why no mention in the article about the long history of Brutality and murder. I fail to see why you thought this was irrelevant.

Remember this guy has a serious track record and the Nation want's the Thai people to believe that there is absolutely no possibility of their involvement in violence.

Such a lame and weak opinion from the Nation, It's like writing an opinion about Stalin's Soviet Union without mentioning any of the bad stuff

These last few months more innocent hard working poor people are being shot dead in Cambodia and i would like to see the Nation write an opinion piece on this please

Edited February 4, 2014 by asiamint

[JRSoul]

Just been revealed that the guy who was shot in the neck at Lak Si was none other than ..... drum roll......... One of Hun Sen's associates, and an ex member of the Cambodian Secret Service.

I thought it was a bit weird when they never announced where he was from to the public, yet in almost all media reports they will disclose where he is from.

It is also unusual that reports are very limited. Apart from one short story, it is like the door has been slammed shut on the media

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=603100616423556&set=a.118565028210453.14190.100001708705432&type=1&theater

I am not confirming this is true, but no smoke without fire.

The leak says that they are desperately attempting to repatriate him back to Cambodia, obviously best not to be hanging around Thailand when this sort of info starts leaking.

Also, I would add that Suthep has a lot more information of what is happening behind the scenes than every single TVF member combined. He has very high up contacts who keep him totally informed at every step. I doubt Suthep would walk on stage and make accusations unless he had it on very good authority. Us mere expats have no clue as to the inner workings of Thai politics whereas Suthep is highly connected to it.

Obviously an innocent tourist caught in the crossfire. And I can understand the rush to return him to Cambodia, with its world renown medical services.

Warning - post may contain satire.

[asiamint]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0K2i1Q8SJQ

Vichea mourned ten years on, Blood on hands

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYUXsHaDzY8

Deadly Clashes amid SL Garment Factory Workers' Strike in Phnom Penh, Cambodia

You must check out the last video to really see the brutality, this page could have been filled up with thousands of murder video's about Hun Sen. I just thought i would help the Nation out as it's quite obvious they have little or no research department at the moment

[englishoak]

Just been revealed that the guy who was shot in the neck at Lak Si was none other than ..... drum roll......... One of Hun Sen's associates, and an ex member of the Cambodian Secret Service.

I thought it was a bit weird when they never announced where he was from to the public, yet in almost all media reports they will disclose where he is from.

It is also unusual that reports are very limited. Apart from one short story, it is like the door has been slammed shut on the media

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=603100616423556&set=a.118565028210453.14190.100001708705432&type=1&theater

I am not confirming this is true, but no smoke without fire.

The leak says that they are desperately attempting to repatriate him back to Cambodia, obviously best not to be hanging around Thailand when this sort of info starts leaking.

Also, I would add that Suthep has a lot more information of what is happening behind the scenes than every single TVF member combined. He has very high up contacts who keep him totally informed at every step. I doubt Suthep would walk on stage and make accusations unless he had it on very good authority. Us mere expats have no clue as to the inner workings of Thai politics whereas Suthep is highly connected to it.

"sigh" rubbish this guy from Lak si has had his daughter come out and talk about his condition and that he will unlikely recover and is permanently disabled. The man was in the wrong place at the wrong time and is neither red nor yellow....

btw his daughter is Thai and so is he.

[asiamint]

I would just like to say one more thing.

Ask yourself two questions

What type of person does business and becomes very close personal friends with someone like Hun Sen?

And then ask yourself a question if you really want that person to continue leading Thailand?

And now you should have the answer why decent and honest Thai people are protesting and want change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS7GOLAmskc

Phnom Penh, 4 Wokers Killed and 50 Wounded by Hun Sen's Military Elite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP4b2M3GOzA

Thugs protected by military police attack protesters, journalist and rights workers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ergpvoMlQFg

[englishoak]

Give it a rest with the xenophobic propaganda shit please.

[mightyatom]

Just been revealed that the guy who was shot in the neck at Lak Si was none other than ..... drum roll......... One of Hun Sen's associates, and an ex member of the Cambodian Secret Service.

I thought it was a bit weird when they never announced where he was from to the public, yet in almost all media reports they will disclose where he is from.

It is also unusual that reports are very limited. Apart from one short story, it is like the door has been slammed shut on the media

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=603100616423556&set=a.118565028210453.14190.100001708705432&type=1&theater

I am not confirming this is true, but no smoke without fire.

The leak says that they are desperately attempting to repatriate him back to Cambodia, obviously best not to be hanging around Thailand when this sort of info starts leaking.

Also, I would add that Suthep has a lot more information of what is happening behind the scenes than every single TVF member combined. He has very high up contacts who keep him totally informed at every step. I doubt Suthep would walk on stage and make accusations unless he had it on very good authority. Us mere expats have no clue as to the inner workings of Thai politics whereas Suthep is highly connected to it.

"sigh" rubbish this guy from Lak si has had his daughter come out and talk about his condition and that he will unlikely recover and is permanently disabled. The man was in the wrong place at the wrong time and is neither red nor yellow....

btw his daughter is Thai and so is he.

Proof please...

Also, ask yourself why you can't go and fetch the proof. You can get proof of name and where they live from almost any other victim of shootings, usually in the first released report.

Now try to get your proof and then I will be happy to discount this report.

[englishoak]

"sigh"

BANGKOK -- THE DAUGHTERS of an elderly man wounded in the crossfire at the Lak Si intersection on Saturday said yesterday that he would likely be left paralysed after a bullet was surgically extracted from his neck.

Uengfa and Walaphorn sae-Lew, said Ar-Kaew, 71, did not belong to any political group but was just joining a pro-election rally near the intersection. "My father wants the election," they said.

The sisters called for care and assistance from authorities. Six people, including two women and Ar-Kaew, were hurt. Ar-Kaew was the only one sustaining serious gunshot wounds. Vibhavadi Hospital provided no details on the type of bullet removed from Ar-Kaew's neck.

No mention of his nationality on this one but ive read others with more detail and where hes from... hes a very unlikely Cambodian plant

Edited February 4, 2014 by englishoak

[mightyatom]

"sigh"

BANGKOK -- THE DAUGHTERS of an elderly man wounded in the crossfire at the Lak Si intersection on Saturday said yesterday that he would likely be left paralysed after a bullet was surgically extracted from his neck.

Uengfa and Walaphorn sae-Lew, said Ar-Kaew, 71, did not belong to any political group but was just joining a pro-election rally near the intersection. "My father wants the election," they said.

The sisters called for care and assistance from authorities. Six people, including two women and Ar-Kaew, were hurt. Ar-Kaew was the only one sustaining serious gunshot wounds. Vibhavadi Hospital provided no details on the type of bullet removed from Ar-Kaew's neck.

No mention of his nationality on this one but ive read others with more detail and where hes from... hes a very unlikely Cambodian plant

I read that one also, and is pretty much all that is available.

Do a Google search like I did and you will find that there is almost nothing on this story.... a bit strange don't you think?

If you have read it somewhere else, then you are doing better than me, I could not find anything else even after lengthy searches.

There is more to this than meets the eye, that is for sure.

It is like the media are deffo being starved on this one.... Got to wonder why.

[Emptyset]

Just been revealed that the guy who was shot in the neck at Lak Si was none other than ..... drum roll......... One of Hun Sen's associates, and an ex member of the Cambodian Secret Service.

I thought it was a bit weird when they never announced where he was from to the public, yet in almost all media reports they will disclose where he is from.

It is also unusual that reports are very limited. Apart from one short story, it is like the door has been slammed shut on the media

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=603100616423556&set=a.118565028210453.14190.100001708705432&type=1&theater

I am not confirming this is true, but no smoke without fire.

The leak says that they are desperately attempting to repatriate him back to Cambodia, obviously best not to be hanging around Thailand when this sort of info starts leaking.

Also, I would add that Suthep has a lot more information of what is happening behind the scenes than every single TVF member combined. He has very high up contacts who keep him totally informed at every step. I doubt Suthep would walk on stage and make accusations unless he had it on very good authority. Us mere expats have no clue as to the inner workings of Thai politics whereas Suthep is highly connected to it.

"sigh" rubbish this guy from Lak si has had his daughter come out and talk about his condition and that he will unlikely recover and is permanently disabled. The man was in the wrong place at the wrong time and is neither red nor yellow....

btw his daughter is Thai and so is he.

Indeed. And it's been widely reported. The "leak" seems to have more than a few leaks itself. People are putting this garbage out deliberately to inflame tensions - they know it's not true, including Suthep. To those saying that the rumour is credible because it originally comes from the Navy: did you actually read what the guy said? What was it, 10 vans of Khmer special forces? 80 Khmer snipers on rooftops? And repeating that and intimating that those who're skeptical of these claims are the credulous ones. lol.

Quoting mightyatom's post: 'I doubt Suthep would walk on stage and make accusations unless he had it on very good authority.' Are you kidding? Have you actually listened to this guy over the past few years? He's about as credible as Jatuporn. Possibly less.

I don't like Hun Sen either and I hope Cambodia gets a better PM sometime soon (but that's probably not Sam Rainsy either). But his human rights record is of no relevance to this thread. Neither was it necessary for The Nation to detail it - they see this as it is. An attempt to stir nationalist sentiment in order to bolster flagging protests: "the tyrant government is bringing in foreigners to kill Thais now" etc. Hence the other nonsense about the supposed Khmer ghost voters. What better way to claim the election is fradulent than to claim the govt brought in Khmers to vote? And people actually believe this stuff...

Plenty of Thais that are willing to kill other Thais if given chance.

[englishoak]

"sigh"

BANGKOK -- THE DAUGHTERS of an elderly man wounded in the crossfire at the Lak Si intersection on Saturday said yesterday that he would likely be left paralysed after a bullet was surgically extracted from his neck.

Uengfa and Walaphorn sae-Lew, said Ar-Kaew, 71, did not belong to any political group but was just joining a pro-election rally near the intersection. "My father wants the election," they said.

The sisters called for care and assistance from authorities. Six people, including two women and Ar-Kaew, were hurt. Ar-Kaew was the only one sustaining serious gunshot wounds. Vibhavadi Hospital provided no details on the type of bullet removed from Ar-Kaew's neck.

No mention of his nationality on this one but ive read others with more detail and where hes from... hes a very unlikely Cambodian plant

I read that one also, and is pretty much all that is available.

Do a Google search like I did and you will find that there is almost nothing on this story.... a bit strange don't you think?

If you have read it somewhere else, then you are doing better than me, I could not find anything else even after lengthy searches.

There is more to this than meets the eye, that is for sure.

It is like the media are deffo being starved on this one.... Got to wonder why.

If I could type in thai as well as read it id link more for you, unfortunately i dont so redoing searches if i havnt bookmarked a page is difficult.

You'll have to decide for yourself, its a poor old man whos going to end his days flat on his back he dosnt deserve the tag of a spy or whatever.

Im no fan of the regime in Cambodia but as emptyset here says this is just mad rhetoric from a desperate man trying to keep his followers rabidly interested

[Mackie]

Playing down Cambodian involvement is also not helpful. They're always involved to a certain extent. AK-47 their favourite weapon. And some of you repeatedly ignore the fact that considerable number of arms and weapons was actually smuggled from Cambodia to North-Northeast of Thailand. For what purposes? Perhaps to be used in kindergartens for children to play. Get a grip.

This is what is called a cheap propaganda piece devoid from any professional reporting:

BANGKOK -- THE DAUGHTERS of an elderly man wounded in the crossfire at the Lak Si intersection on Saturday said yesterday that he would likely be left paralysed after a bullet was surgically extracted from his neck.

Uengfa and Walaphorn sae-Lew, said Ar-Kaew, 71, did not belong to any political group but was just joining a pro-election rally near the intersection. "My father wants the election," they said.

The sisters called for care and assistance from authorities. Six people, including two women and Ar-Kaew, were hurt. Ar-Kaew was the only one sustaining serious gunshot wounds. Vibhavadi Hospital provided no details on the type of bullet removed from Ar-Kaew's neck.

And he was not an innocent bystander. He took a part in UDD lead march knowingly. They weren't marching peacefully. They wanted to confront antigovernment protesters. Wanted. By all accounts they were also armed. By the way, even Thida paid him a visit. An innocent bystander.

Today, two core leaders of the United Front for Demoncracy Against Dictatorship (UDD), Ms. Thida Thavornseth and Mr. Weng Tojirakarn, also visited Mr. Arkaew to express their gratitude for his fighting for the 2 February election.

Edited February 4, 2014 by Mackie

[englishoak]

Oh bs mackie arms come from everywhere, including the thai army, isnt anything to do with tin foil hat Cambodian aliens ... go and tell his family he deserved to be shot for wanting a vote and being a man willing to stand up for that.

Good on the UDD for having the decency to say thank you .... least someone had the humanity and decency to acknowledge the price this man paid for simply wanting a vote...... try to be humane instead of such a putz for a change.

[Emptyset]

Playing down Cambodian involvement is also not helpful. They're always involved to a certain extent. AK-47 their favourite weapon. And some of you repeatedly ignore the fact that considerable number of arms and weapons was actually smuggled from Cambodia to North-Northeast of Thailand. For what purposes? Perhaps to be used in kindergartens for children to play. Get a grip.

This is what is called a cheap propaganda piece devoid from any professional reporting:

BANGKOK -- THE DAUGHTERS of an elderly man wounded in the crossfire at the Lak Si intersection on Saturday said yesterday that he would likely be left paralysed after a bullet was surgically extracted from his neck.

Uengfa and Walaphorn sae-Lew, said Ar-Kaew, 71, did not belong to any political group but was just joining a pro-election rally near the intersection. "My father wants the election," they said.

The sisters called for care and assistance from authorities. Six people, including two women and Ar-Kaew, were hurt. Ar-Kaew was the only one sustaining serious gunshot wounds. Vibhavadi Hospital provided no details on the type of bullet removed from Ar-Kaew's neck.

And he was not an innocent bystander. He took a part in UDD lead march knowingly. They weren't marching peacefully. They wanted to confront antigovernment protesters. Wanted. By all accounts they were also armed. By the way, even Thida paid him a visit. An innocent bystander.

Today, two core leaders of the United Front for Demoncracy Against Dictatorship (UDD), Ms. Thida Thavornseth and Mr. Weng Tojirakarn, also visited Mr. Arkaew to express their gratitude for his fighting for the 2 February election.

Other than the car incident - which we don't know the cause of, it was peaceful until the PDRC militants showed up. Your post seems to imply that you should be prepared to be shot if you attend a UDD march. Which is precisely what some people (who I completely disagree with) said about Suthin. There were no reports that he was armed when he was shot - and he doesn't appear to be from the picture of him lying stricken. Maybe he was trying to get away rather than taking an active part in the confrontation.

"And some of you repeatedly ignore the fact that considerable number of arms and weapons was actually smuggled from Cambodia to North-Northeast of Thailand." I don't know how you know this, but let's assume it's true, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is. Where else would people in the NE buy black market weapons? The most convenient and logical place to go is Cambodia. What does that have to do with Khmer mercenaries which is the subject of the topic? Nothing - there is no necessary connection. In fact it actually illustrates the point some have made previously on this thread. That there are plenty of weapons floating around already and plenty of Thais prepared for violence. No need to bring in people from the east.