Thai farmer leaders now vow to overthrow caretaker government

[gemini81]

Pro -red commie expats sure are silent about this one!

Lets see who can spin a twist to it and create a conspiracy.

Can't fool all the people all the time.

its all Sutheps faults, he's to blame, he's the one...he's a fascist you know....

Oh, silly me..right, everything was bliss in utopia here until he took to the streets...PTP was totally giving Switzerland & Singapore a run for their money..555

[chainarong]

geriatrickid, on 13 Feb 2014 - 10:48, said:

terryp, on 13 Feb 2014 - 10:44, said:

Finally they wake up

The southern farmers have not been particularly supportive of the legally elected government of Thailand. Why would you now think they are "waking" up.?

Prasit declared on the protest stage of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) at Pathumwan last night that he and other farmer leaders from the western, lower northern, and upper central regions have met yesterday and all agreed to escalate their protest after being fed up with repeated promises and lies by the caretaker cabinet ministers of caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra.

Are they also from the south?

They are if U turn Thailand upside down.

[Thait Spot]

I remember watching Yingluck in the campaign trail back at her first election. She had been given a very soft audience of rice farmers and she played along.

"We will pay you 15,000 per tonne for top rice. How much will we pay you?" she said, milking the audience.

"20,000!!!" they screamed.

"20,000" said Yingluck forgetting her lines in one of politics most expensive and naive mistakes ever.

Now the farmers have a different line "Yingluck Ok pai!!!"

And now Yingluck is hiding.

Sometimes it's hard to be a PM

Getting all this grief from just one scam

[gemini81]

Pro -red commie expats sure are silent about this one!

Lets see who can spin a twist to it and create a conspiracy.

Can't fool all the people all the time.

Why would any expat spend any time arguing either side? I do love watching expats take whatever side and get hot and bothered over something they can do nothing about, other than to at best influence their better halves decision on voting day. Our opinions are pretty much unwanted by either side (unless its the side you are supporting and then they may be tolerated) so why bother? I know the standard reply is, "because we want what's best for Thailand", however bitching on here either way is pretty unlikely to have an effect on that.

Well you're on here bitching-ironically, 555.

We are free as long time expats to state our view/opinion. Some of us have resident visas/whatever.

If you're not happy sharing views and info, then just cancel your account.

[Thailand]

From the stage of the PDRC, another pantomime.

Suthep continues to try to stir up trouble. I hope the majority of the " uneducated" farmers realize he is simply using them as a tool to keep his waning movement alive.

Overthrow a " caretaker government" really? Who then pays the bills, Suthep and his peoples council?

[iancnx]

Reds. In case you missed this:

The rice subsidy was classic Thaksin populism. Two-fifths of Thais work in agriculture, most of them as rice farmers. Ms Yingluck promised that, if she were elected, her government would buy unmilled rice directly from farmers at about twice the market rate, or 15,000 baht (about $500) per tonne. This would put money into poor farmers pockets and stimulate domestic demand. Naysayers warned that the scheme would be impossibly expensive. But Thaksin advisers said that withdrawing rice from world markets in this way would force up the price. Since Thailand was the worlds biggest exporter, the government would be able to cash in later by selling its stockpiles of grain at a profit.(taken from the Economist)

Suggest a colour change is needed. Smart money is on Orange. Not sure if we have officially had orange yet?

[lovetotravel]

It is interesting that this does not include farmers from the North and North East regions, possibly because of their loyalty to the PTP, but also possibly becuase they have been paid more than in the other regions.

It would be interesting to have clear figures on which farmers have been paid and which have not.

It is the duty of a government (rather than a single party or coalition) to govern fairly and equally for all of the countries constituents, whether they voted for a political party or not.

if there is evidence that the ruling party has favoured their supporters, then this is a clear case of dereliction of duty and would be a justification for the protesters in their fight against the current administration and its replacement.

A partisan ruling party is not a democracy.

For the PTP apologists - yes, this has been a feature of Thai politics and similar charges could be levelled against previous government, but that is NOT an excuse.

I don't think a single farmer from my wife's village near Khon Kaen has been paid. They all have these certificates good for 500k, but can't cash them. It's a hard core red shirt village. Almost the entire village voted for the PTP. So no, being in "red land" and supporting the PTP doesn't seem to be helping. They are in dire straights as many took loans from shady money lenders and the loans are due. Now.

It's really sad as they are just salt of the earth farmers. And very poor.

[Cricketnut]

"All relevant ministers who they met during the talk also refused to allow them to meet the prime minister saying she has other important matter to do, Pradit said."

Gone to Tesco to buy tissues for the tears.

Goodness what could be MORE important at this point in time... Beggers belief!

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[iancnx]

From the stage of the PDRC, another pantomime.

Suthep continues to try to stir up trouble. I hope the majority of the " uneducated" farmers realize he is simply using them as a tool to keep his waning movement alive.

Overthrow a " caretaker government" really? Who then pays the bills, Suthep and his peoples council?

I think you are thoroughly mistaken old chap. Edited February 13, 2014 by iancnx

[BlueNoseCodger]

If 50,000 farmers do end up going to Bangkok, its game over.

Well, unless Suthep manages to find another way of screwing up a sure thing

Up to 50,000. The article says 'up-to' (i.e. thats the maximum they believe they can get)

Thailand is 38% rural agriculture, i.e. 27 million people live or work on a farm. You should be able to get 50k people from that easily. I guessing he will get more like 300-500 or so.

On the road block on the southern road I count 22 farmers on it (and a few police), and about 120 or so soldiers*.

22 is not a big number, but it is 'up to 50,000'

* I noticed that the army had the junctions leading up to this road block sealed off. I was blocked from visiting it. I saw about 20 soldiers on the north bound 4 exit, I assume 6 exit/entry roads, * 20 soldiers = 120 soldiers.

Since normally a road block is a mob, who use their large numbers to force a block of a road, it is unreasonable that such a small number were allowed to block the road, and the police were powerless to clear it. The army should have been helping the tens of thousands of road users by clearing the road, not guarding junctions.

Likewise the army should be helping clear protestors from blocking polling stations.

Edited February 13, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[Cricketnut]

Reds. In case you missed this:

The rice subsidy was classic Thaksin populism. Two-fifths of Thais work in agriculture, most of them as rice farmers. Ms Yingluck promised that, if she were elected, her government would buy unmilled rice directly from farmers at about twice the market rate, or 15,000 baht (about $500) per tonne. This would put money into poor farmers pockets and stimulate domestic demand. Naysayers warned that the scheme would be impossibly expensive. But Thaksin advisers said that withdrawing rice from world markets in this way would force up the price. Since Thailand was the worlds biggest exporter, the government would be able to cash in later by selling its stockpiles of grain at a profit.(taken from the Economist)

Suggest a colour change is needed. Smart money is on Orange. Not sure if we have officially had orange yet?

India is actually the largest with Thailand in second place.. Rice has been bought and sold mind you, but rather inferior Cambodian rice, on this issue, I say show the farmers their money, cause it sure is in somebody's pockets or skirt, take your pick....

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[Why ask]

Feb 13—Deterioration progressing. I have become absentminded. Rice financial backing died two days ago. Dissection shows my predictions were right. Chalerm's brain has decreased in weight ,and there is not a general smoothing out of cerebral convolutions, as well as a deepening and broadening of rice fissures, which could help diffuse the money my family thieved.

I guess the same thing is ,or will soon be, happening to me. Now that it’s definite, I don’t want it to happen, but I know I'm fkd.

I put Jatuporn's body in a cheese box, and buried him in the back yard. I cried, when my Burberry boots got dirty.

Adapted from 'Flowers from Algernon' (Keyes, 1958).

MEL1.

Edited February 13, 2014 by Why ask

[MunterHunter]

From the stage of the PDRC, another pantomime.

Suthep continues to try to stir up trouble. I hope the majority of the " uneducated" farmers realize he is simply using them as a tool to keep his waning movement alive.

Overthrow a " caretaker government" really? Who then pays the bills, Suthep and his peoples council?

I hope the majority of the " uneducated" farmers realize PTP is simply using them as a tool to keep their waning government alive

[Cricketnut]

I'm hoping this is just a bluff to chivvy the govt up on meeting their debts. If not, this could get very messy.

red shirts and yellow shirts unite to fight the hardcore PTP from the far north? Eek messy maybe an understatement of the day or coming days... Hmm rice, uncountable noun.... Very ironic.

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[ShannonT]

Lets see how many Democ rat farmers Suthep can find...

[Thaddeus]

Reds. In case you missed this:

The rice subsidy was classic Thaksin populism. Two-fifths of Thais work in agriculture, most of them as rice farmers. Ms Yingluck promised that, if she were elected, her government would buy unmilled rice directly from farmers at about twice the market rate, or 15,000 baht (about $500) per tonne. This would put money into poor farmers pockets and stimulate domestic demand. Naysayers warned that the scheme would be impossibly expensive. But Thaksin advisers said that withdrawing rice from world markets in this way would force up the price. Since Thailand was the worlds biggest exporter, the government would be able to cash in later by selling its stockpiles of grain at a profit.(taken from the Economist)

Suggest a colour change is needed. Smart money is on Orange. Not sure if we have officially had orange yet?

India is actually the largest with Thailand in second place.. Rice has been bought and sold mind you, but rather inferior Cambodian rice, on this issue, I say show the farmers their money, cause it sure is in somebody's pockets or skirt, take your pick....

Thailand is 3rd, and Cambodian rice is very far from inferior.

[Thailand]

From the stage of the PDRC, another pantomime.

Suthep continues to try to stir up trouble. I hope the majority of the " uneducated" farmers realize he is simply using them as a tool to keep his waning movement alive.

Overthrow a " caretaker government" really? Who then pays the bills, Suthep and his peoples council?

I think you are thoroughly mistaken old chap.

Why?

[Cricketnut]

Reds. In case you missed this:

The rice subsidy was classic Thaksin populism. Two-fifths of Thais work in agriculture, most of them as rice farmers. Ms Yingluck promised that, if she were elected, her government would buy unmilled rice directly from farmers at about twice the market rate, or 15,000 baht (about $500) per tonne. This would put money into poor farmers pockets and stimulate domestic demand. Naysayers warned that the scheme would be impossibly expensive. But Thaksin advisers said that withdrawing rice from world markets in this way would force up the price. Since Thailand was the worlds biggest exporter, the government would be able to cash in later by selling its stockpiles of grain at a profit.(taken from the Economist)

Suggest a colour change is needed. Smart money is on Orange. Not sure if we have officially had orange yet?

India is actually the largest with Thailand in second place.. Rice has been bought and sold mind you, but rather inferior Cambodian rice, on this issue, I say show the farmers their money, cause it sure is in somebody's pockets or skirt, take your pick....

Thailand is 3rd, and Cambodian rice is very far from inferior.

apologies for my humble opinion oh Thaddeus

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[fish fingers]

Lets see how many Democ rat farmers Suthep can find...

with 50,000 on the way to Bangkok, i imagine quite alot

[Chicken George]

Rice farmers in the North still have not been paid either. This government has ruined the lively hoids of thousands for years to come. No money to pay for their cars tractors debts schooling or food. Now even going to loosr their land. Aldo Burma who were the world's largest exporters of rice are catching up fast. .

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[SABloke]

Wow - did you find the P3 exams difficult this year? You are 8 right?

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[gerrythepoet]

If the North Eastern farmers join- Goodbye to the Govt and chaos in Issan.

However they have not joined the bandwagon-one does wonder if they have all been compensated

[mikemac]

Pro -red commie expats sure are silent about this one!

Lets see who can spin a twist to it and create a conspiracy.

Can't fool all the people all the time.

Why would any expat spend any time arguing either side? I do love watching expats take whatever side and get hot and bothered over something they can do nothing about, other than to at best influence their better halves decision on voting day. Our opinions are pretty much unwanted by either side (unless its the side you are supporting and then they may be tolerated) so why bother? I know the standard reply is, "because we want what's best for Thailand", however bitching on here either way is pretty unlikely to have an effect on that.

Dribbling your garbage on TV is "pretty unlikely to have an effect on" us either JB.........................

[ianf]

It is interesting that this does not include farmers from the North and North East regions, possibly because of their loyalty to the PTP, but also possibly becuase they have been paid more than in the other regions.

It would be interesting to have clear figures on which farmers have been paid and which have not.

It is the duty of a government (rather than a single party or coalition) to govern fairly and equally for all of the countries constituents, whether they voted for a political party or not.

if there is evidence that the ruling party has favoured their supporters, then this is a clear case of dereliction of duty and would be a justification for the protesters in their fight against the current administration and its replacement.

A partisan ruling party is not a democracy.

For the PTP apologists - yes, this has been a feature of Thai politics and similar charges could be levelled against previous government, but that is NOT an excuse.

Yes, I understand that farmers in Thaksin's heartlands of Chiang Mai/San Khampaeng were paid without delay. I dont think the likes of Pipkin have yet been instructed on how to respond to this fact.

[Mr Yim]

Well I can see that the farmers when angered will be formidable folks to come a knocking.

I can see these people will have a lot more potential for violence than any student.

Waiting for the first to be shot at or smacked on the head with a baton, and it will go off big time.

The best thing for the government now is to step down or run.

Looks like you want this to happen.

[Trembly]

It is interesting that this does not include farmers from the North and North East regions, possibly because of their loyalty to the PTP, but also possibly becuase they have been paid more than in the other regions.

It would be interesting to have clear figures on which farmers have been paid and which have not.

It is the duty of a government (rather than a single party or coalition) to govern fairly and equally for all of the countries constituents, whether they voted for a political party or not.

if there is evidence that the ruling party has favoured their supporters, then this is a clear case of dereliction of duty and would be a justification for the protesters in their fight against the current administration and its replacement.

A partisan ruling party is not a democracy.

For the PTP apologists - yes, this has been a feature of Thai politics and similar charges could be levelled against previous government, but that is NOT an excuse.

I can't give you any verifiable facts or figures but for what it's worth, I am from the North and I have many very close friends who are from Isan.

The people I've asked say that as far as they know, everyone who has entered the scheme has been paid quite some time ago. They sympathise with the other farmers but are frankly a little bit surprised that they haven't been paid yet.

Of course, my sample is very small and I make no claims that it is representative of the entire situation, but it does demonstrate that payment has been rather patchy and perhaps hasn't gone on in a systematic fashion (or maybe it has been systematic, depending on how you gauge the scheme's motives at inception).

Edited February 13, 2014 by Trembly

[Baerboxer]

It is interesting that this does not include farmers from the North and North East regions, possibly because of their loyalty to the PTP, but also possibly becuase they have been paid more than in the other regions.

It would be interesting to have clear figures on which farmers have been paid and which have not.

It is the duty of a government (rather than a single party or coalition) to govern fairly and equally for all of the countries constituents, whether they voted for a political party or not.

if there is evidence that the ruling party has favoured their supporters, then this is a clear case of dereliction of duty and would be a justification for the protesters in their fight against the current administration and its replacement.

A partisan ruling party is not a democracy.

For the PTP apologists - yes, this has been a feature of Thai politics and similar charges could be levelled against previous government, but that is NOT an excuse.

I can't give you any verifiable facts or figures but for what it's worth, I am from the North and I have many very close friends who are from Isan.

The people I've asked say that as far as they know, everyone who has entered the scheme has been paid quite some time ago. They sympathise with the other farmers but are frankly a little bit surprised that they haven't been paid yet.

Of course, my sample is very small and I make no claims that it is representative of the entire situation, but it does demonstrate that payment has been rather patchy and perhaps hasn't gone on in a systematic fashion (or maybe it has been systematic, depending on how you gauge the scheme's motives at inception).

My in-laws in Isaan, and their friends, relatives and neighbors all still waiting. Yet, all told to vote PTP by the Poo Yais on the 2nd.

[belg]

hub of money reward for suicide

[JeremyBowskill]

Pro -red commie expats sure are silent about this one!

Lets see who can spin a twist to it and create a conspiracy.

Can't fool all the people all the time.

Why would any expat spend any time arguing either side? I do love watching expats take whatever side and get hot and bothered over something they can do nothing about, other than to at best influence their better halves decision on voting day. Our opinions are pretty much unwanted by either side (unless its the side you are supporting and then they may be tolerated) so why bother? I know the standard reply is, "because we want what's best for Thailand", however bitching on here either way is pretty unlikely to have an effect on that.

Well you're on here bitching-ironically, 555.

We are free as long time expats to state our view/opinion. Some of us have resident visas/whatever.

If you're not happy sharing views and info, then just cancel your account.

I'm sorry I guess I missed the part where its sharing a view to bitch another side down. I'm not sharing a view, I wouldn't bother to have 1 in a system that doesn't want it.

If I did have 1 then I would vote for Yinluck, for the pure and simple reason that she is the only politician that has ever come close to making me do a sex wee! As my vote counts for nothing then I shall not bother.

[ShannonT]

If the North Eastern farmers join- Goodbye to the Govt and chaos in Issan.

However they have not joined the bandwagon-one does wonder if they have all been compensated

Why would they join? They've already received their payments a long time ago.