Chalerm insists CMPO's powers are not clipped by court's ruling

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Chalerm insists CMPO's powers are not clipped by court's ruling



BANGKOK: -- Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order (CMPO) director Chalerm Yubamrung said Wednesday the Civil Court’s ruling would not clip the centre’s powers and vowed to carry on reclaiming the four other government premises still occupied by protesters.

Offering his thanks to the court for not lifting the Emergency Decree, Chalerm said that the restrictions imposed by the court were just an expression of concern of the court.

For instance the ban on crowd dispersal, the CMPO director said that he would not order dispersal of protesters so long as the protests are peaceful and the protesters are unarmed or they do not trespass on government properties.

He insisted that the court’s ruling would not affect all the arrest warrants which have been issued by the court against leaders of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee.

Police, he added, will continue to conduct searches to look for arms suspected to be concealed by protesters.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/chalerm-insists-cmpos-powers-clipped-courts-ruling/


-- Thai PBS 2014-02-20

[ratcatcher]

Purple People Eater? That jacket just screams bad taste, hope he doesn't wear it driving his pink Bentley.

[Siripon]

So there goes the deadline of this week to have cleared all the protest sites.

Surely an easier and more peaceful method would be to let Chalerm be in charge of the police attire.

Even a hardened Dhamma Army supporter would be forced to run at the sight of stout men clad in screaming purple jackets.

[Fryslan boppe]

It is very hard to avoid linking the judiciary into the political sphere when decisions constantly support the Opposition...One needs to look no further than a cooking show and supporting the Opposition mantra about an agricultural subsidy program....Trying to eliminate an elected PM via one or the other is same-same. They succeeded with the cooking show, so now they are trying again with some other spurious rationale......I just hope the PTP respect their majority electoral base enough to not fold in the face of this one, as the cooking show Samak did before.

But to essentially place themselves at the front lines of the coup-monger street stuff is over the top. To give Suthep and his shadowy supporters carte blanche with no concern about being challenged, is close to joining the ranks of the protesters without actually being on the street.

Good for Chalerm to face up to idiocy.

Edited February 20, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[jollyman]

"But to essentially place themselves at the front lines of the coup-monger street stuff is over the top. To give Suthep and his shadowy supporters carte blanche with no concern about being challenged, is close to joining the ranks of the protesters without actually being on the street."

Good for Chalerm to face up to idiocy.

Yes a good example the Cooking show thing, a prime minister outed by a court ruling he was paid 2000 baht for a cooking show demonstration.

Same Same Thaksin, why not hand it all over to the courts let them run it all, North Korea here I come

Edited February 20, 2014 by jollyman

[Tatsujin]

It is very hard to avoid linking the judiciary into the political sphere when decisions constantly support the Opposition...One needs to look no further than a cooking show and supporting the Opposition mantra about an agricultural subsidy program....Trying to eliminate an elected PM via one or the other is same-same. They succeeded with the cooking show, so now they are trying again with some other spurious rationale......I just hope the PTP respect their majority electoral base enough to not fold in the face of this one, as the cooking show Samak did before.

But to essentially place themselves at the front lines of the coup-monger street stuff is over the top. To give Suthep and his shadowy supporters carte blanche with no concern about being challenged, is close to joining the ranks of the protesters without actually being on the street.

Good for Chalerm to face up to idiocy.

No one on either side of this is lily white, but as I've said before those that are IN power need to start doing things legally and following the law instead of continually twisting things around to suit themselves, blaming others and ignoring any laws or judicial judgements because it doesn't suit their agenda.

Fryslan boppe: You complain that the judicial judgements constantly support the "opposition" . . . why do you think that is? Could it be perhaps that the "government" are not actually doing things in the right (legal) way and aren't listening and dismissive to anyone outside their own little circle? They've been told over and over again how to do things by the EC and a number of Courts. It's not rocket science to do things in a legal and correct way, they choose not to do so and keep getting hauled up for it.

If they set the example, others would follow. Perhaps.

[Scamper]

Chalerm has in this statement revealed himself to be utterly dangerous, a threat to the right to protest in a free society, and first and foremost a direct and defiant and unconstitutional threat to the legal system itself through the ruling by the Civil Court. The Civil Court was explicit - no violent dispersal of protesters - period. But Chalerm is saying he doesn't care. He has his own law. He is saying that he is above the law. Chalerm has now become - by his own words - the greatest threat to this country and its people. The Constitutional Court has emphatically affirmed that the protests are constitutional. The Civil Court by their ruling affirms the Constitutional Court's ruling. Chalerm in one fell swoop is stepping on all of that. For him - and Thaksin - it doesn't exist. He is saying that if he finds ( or more likely creates ) just cause for violent dispersal he will do it. The Civil Court has given Chalerm no such parameters, no such caveats. History will deem Chalerm responsible for what happened on Tuesday. And history will look back at Chalerm's defiant moment yesterday against the justice system as even more dangerous, and an example of just how far Thaksin is prepared to go - how far he is prepared to step on as many people's rights as ne needs to in order to secure the power he feels he deserves. Chalerm - by his statement yesterday - has now opened a path towards impeachment on the grounds of defying a ruling by a court of law in the land.

Edited February 20, 2014 by Scamper

[zaphodbeeblebrox]

It is very hard to avoid linking the judiciary into the political sphere when decisions constantly support the Opposition...One needs to look no further than a cooking show and supporting the Opposition mantra about an agricultural subsidy program....Trying to eliminate an elected PM via one or the other is same-same. They succeeded with the cooking show, so now they are trying again with some other spurious rationale......I just hope the PTP respect their majority electoral base enough to not fold in the face of this one, as the cooking show Samak did before.

But to essentially place themselves at the front lines of the coup-monger street stuff is over the top. To give Suthep and his shadowy supporters carte blanche with no concern about being challenged, is close to joining the ranks of the protesters without actually being on the street.

Good for Chalerm to face up to idiocy.

Yep, just run over the Constitution. That's the PTP way. The Constitution sets forth the conditions in which an SOE may be invoked, and also explains how strict the SOE may be structured in light of the threat to the country. If you actually read the 1997 Constitution which authorized the SOE, you will realize that it was designed to deal with war and extreme acts of terror. It was never designed to deal with protests protected by other parts of the Constitution. The court only upheld the SOE because there may be incidents in the future which push Thailand back into the terror of 2010.

As an example of the difference in these two protests, in 2010 my office was in a warzone and the building closed for 2 weeks, because it was too dangerous on the streets surrounding the building. In 2013-14, the building hasn't closed at all, although protesters frequently march on the streets surrounding it.

In 2013-14, the only serious incidents of violence have occurred when force was met with force (Ramkhamhaeng, Laksi and now Phan-Fa Bridge). All of these incidents are regrettable, but it also shows that these protests are basically peaceful, unless confronted by other groups intending to use force.

For that reason, the Court has determined that the Constitution only permits a lower grade of SOE. The conditions don't justify using armed force to break up assemblies, to expel government building trespassers, or to unblock roads and intersections. Most of the SOE was thrown out by the Court because it overreaches. The Court did leave the SOE in place, because conditions could quickly change and that would allow Yingluck to impose stricter SOE regulations.

[Blackmirage2013]

Chalerm actually works for Thai Airways as a flight attendant.

[Phatcharanan]

"

Same Same Thaksin, why not hand it all over to the courts let them run it all, North Korea here I come

You won't be missed.

[Blackmirage2013]

Frankly, these past two months have exposed Chalerm as a bully. He is a big talker, loves to threaten people and loves to ignore the rule of law. His whole brand is about being a gangster who terrorizes people who are weaker than him. He shows off, he scares people and he is rude.

Take away his weapons, his position power, his threats and what you have left is essentially a squid.

[Blackmirage2013]

Frankly, these past two months have exposed Chalerm as a bully. He is a big talker, loves to threaten people and loves to ignore the rule of law. His whole brand is about being a gangster who terrorizes people who are weaker than him. He shows off, he scares people and he is rude.

Take away his weapons, his position power, his threats and what you have left is essentially a squid.

[Siripon]

"But to essentially place themselves at the front lines of the coup-monger street stuff is over the top. To give Suthep and his shadowy supporters carte blanche with no concern about being challenged, is close to joining the ranks of the protesters without actually being on the street."

Good for Chalerm to face up to idiocy.

Yes a good example the Cooking show thing, a prime minister outed by a court ruling he was paid 2000 baht for a cooking show demonstration.

Same Same Thaksin, why not hand it all over to the courts let them run it all, North Korea here I come

Samak was dismissed with full rights to run again as PM, he did, but Thaksin betrayed him, choosing his malleable brother in law, Somchai, over Samak.

Stabbed in the back by Thaksin, Samak should have known better,

[Patpending]

It is very hard to avoid linking the judiciary into the political sphere when decisions constantly support the Opposition...One needs to look no further than a cooking show and supporting the Opposition mantra about an agricultural subsidy program....Trying to eliminate an elected PM via one or the other is same-same. They succeeded with the cooking show, so now they are trying again with some other spurious rationale......I just hope the PTP respect their majority electoral base enough to not fold in the face of this one, as the cooking show Samak did before.

But to essentially place themselves at the front lines of the coup-monger street stuff is over the top. To give Suthep and his shadowy supporters carte blanche with no concern about being challenged, is close to joining the ranks of the protesters without actually being on the street.

Good for Chalerm to face up to idiocy.

No one on either side of this is lily white, but as I've said before those that are IN power need to start doing things legally and following the law instead of continually twisting things around to suit themselves, blaming others and ignoring any laws or judicial judgements because it doesn't suit their agenda.

Fryslan boppe: You complain that the judicial judgements constantly support the "opposition" . . . why do you think that is? Could it be perhaps that the "government" are not actually doing things in the right (legal) way and aren't listening and dismissive to anyone outside their own little circle? They've been told over and over again how to do things by the EC and a number of Courts. It's not rocket science to do things in a legal and correct way, they choose not to do so and keep getting hauled up for it.

If they set the example, others would follow. Perhaps.

Good laws should be followed and enforced, but this set of laws were put in place following the 2006 coup and are designed to keep power in the Elites hands.

Either directly with the Dems, or indirectly through Courts and street mobs when they lose elections... which they always do.

the worst part of these laws are that the right to protest, was not actually meant as such (we saw in 2010), it was meant to legitimise any insurrection the Elites feel they need to bring about when they feel insecure.

Yingluk is right to try to get these laws changed, they are not there for the good of the country or the people.

Maybe she should just call out Prayuth again on TV and tell him to coup or get the hell out of it.

Abe lincoln may be of some assistance also. "The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly."

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abrahamlin122582.html#gvBkCggKjEgQmBoB.99

[Crushdepth]

It is very hard to avoid linking the judiciary into the political sphere when decisions constantly support the Opposition...One needs to look no further than a cooking show and supporting the Opposition mantra about an agricultural subsidy program....Trying to eliminate an elected PM via one or the other is same-same. They succeeded with the cooking show, so now they are trying again with some other spurious rationale......I just hope the PTP respect their majority electoral base enough to not fold in the face of this one, as the cooking show Samak did before.

But to essentially place themselves at the front lines of the coup-monger street stuff is over the top. To give Suthep and his shadowy supporters carte blanche with no concern about being challenged, is close to joining the ranks of the protesters without actually being on the street.

Good for Chalerm to face up to idiocy.

Or you could say it's hard to avoid linking the government with procedural incompetence and corruption when they keep losing court cases.

Exhibit A: The rice scheme. Corruption aside, the incompetence of the government in failing arrange finance to pay farmers before dissolving the house is truly a marvel to behold. They as professional politicians never read the constitution? They don't have a legal team? A shortage of advisers perhaps? And nobody fired over it? Incredible.

PS most people connect the words 'Chalerm' and 'idiocy' in a different way.

Edited February 20, 2014 by Crushdepth

[gemini81]

Chalerm actually works for Thai Airways as a flight attendant.

I thought they kicked him out for being a drunk.

[tomacht8]

Is that his disguise, with he wants to arrest Suthep unseen?

Well chosen. Missing only the cardboard nose and sunglasses.

[englishoak]

Its Thursday he should be wearing orange, Saturday is purple day.

Edited February 20, 2014 by englishoak

[LuckyLew]

Chalerm said "That court is not my older brother"

[whybother]

Good laws should be followed and enforced, but this set of laws were put in place following the 2006 coup and are designed to keep power in the Elites hands.

Either directly with the Dems, or indirectly through Courts and street mobs when they lose elections... which they always do.

the worst part of these laws are that the right to protest, was not actually meant as such (we saw in 2010), it was meant to legitimise any insurrection the Elites feel they need to bring about when they feel insecure.

Yingluk is right to try to get these laws changed, they are not there for the good of the country or the people.

Maybe she should just call out Prayuth again on TV and tell him to coup or get the hell out of it.

Abe lincoln may be of some assistance also. "The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly."

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abrahamlin122582.html#gvBkCggKjEgQmBoB.99

The 2007 constitution is nearly exactly the same as the 1997 constitution, word for word. Yes, changes were made, but only in specific areas.

[rubl]

It's uncommonly good to hear k. Chalerm thanking the court and saying they just expressed concern about the situation. Lots of posters have been more vocal and completely negative on the ruling.

[icommunity]

Even under normal enforcement of law and order, police have the right to disperse anyone who violated the rights of other, illegal occupation of properties, and creating situation that endanger the life of the public. Resistance, obstruction to such order of maintaining law and order are criminal offense and offenders should be arrested on the spot. Law enforcement officers have the right and duty to defense themselves and the public when faced with imminent danger to their lives as well as that of the public.

[rubl]

Even under normal enforcement of law and order, police have the right to disperse anyone who violated the rights of other, illegal occupation of properties, and creating situation that endanger the life of the public. Resistance, obstruction to such order of maintaining law and order are criminal offense and offenders should be arrested on the spot. Law enforcement officers have the right and duty to defense themselves and the public when faced with imminent danger to their lives as well as that of the public.

There's a job as government spokesperson waiting for you in Kiev. Go get it

[telecom]

Chalerm insists CMPO's powers are not clipped by court's ruling

I beg to differ.

But carry on and we might just see an arrest warrant issued for your immediate detention for ordering a breech of the court's injunctions.

You seem to think that you are on the most powerful side when you are actually on the weakest side in this scenario.

The real power lies with the courts and piss them off and they can remove you from the picture and lock you up in a heartbeat.

I would love to see you being escorted away by the police you consider in your pocket. The police will execute the arrest warrant to save their own positions.

Bring it on.

[barryofthailand]

Mr. Chalerm likes to talk so he can be in the lime light. He was very disappointed when Thuckson demoted him from Deputy Prime Minister because he is constantly drunk and making stupid remarks.

[tomacht8]

The mood is so well. Charlem and his police friends.

No words of regret for the deaths and injuries?

Where is the human dignity?

Seems to be all pretty funny in this armed Punch and Judy club

[Mr Yim]

It is one thing demonstrating peacefully and another taking over Government buildings and threatening those who do not comply with your "requests". Unfortunately, this seems beyond intellect of some of Sutheps supporters.

[klauskunkel]

Purple People Eater? That jacket just screams bad taste, hope he doesn't wear it driving his pink Bentley.

...or Barney the Dinosaur...

[PhilipCook]

Thaksin tactic #1 hire a ludicrous figure to distract attention from the really important graft.

[manfrommanteo]

"But to essentially place themselves at the front lines of the coup-monger street stuff is over the top. To give Suthep and his shadowy supporters carte blanche with no concern about being challenged, is close to joining the ranks of the protesters without actually being on the street."

Good for Chalerm to face up to idiocy.

Yes a good example the Cooking show thing, a prime minister outed by a court ruling he was paid 2000 baht for a cooking show demonstration.

Same Same Thaksin, why not hand it all over to the courts let them run it all, North Korea here I come

I'm just an observer mostly here....but I notice you support the pro-gov side, and your icon is a Communist Chinese flag...might I ask a question? Are you a Communist? Just a curiosity as the flag/icon would suggest so.