Wtf Is Wrong With Us!

[tourleadersi]

I guess with all my ranting and raving, which was about as strong as a fart in a sandstorm, I have to concede that its human nature and it ain't gonna change.

I did a lot of thinking and to be honest even I like to 'treat' myself once in a while. Just not a mil at a time!

So, a cool million one for a glorified knapsack? Well whatever floats your boat honey. I'm just glad she isn't my girlfriend. Can you imagine that handbag as just a very small tip of a very big iceberg? If her handbag has to look like a million baht, what of her fella? I guess she wouldn't be interested in a knuckle dragging, forehead protruding nugget like me anyway, so that's a huge sigh of relief all round then. Maybe the bag is to draw attention away from something else perhaps, like the fact that she's built like a truck?

[OlRedEyes]

To the OP, ask her if she needs a scarf, i will sell her one for 500,000 baht, its a bargain as its got beautiful patterns and is 100% polyester (excuse the spelling)

I haven't replied in this thread basically coz it was a rant, and my point seems to be lost on you lot of heathens

Donz, I have to ask this though, as the OP you mention. Where in my post did you get the idea my wife wanted the handbag, or your scarf?

[tourleadersi]

To the OP, ask her if she needs a scarf, i will sell her one for 500,000 baht, its a bargain as its got beautiful patterns and is 100% polyester (excuse the spelling)

I haven't replied in this thread basically coz it was a rant, and my point seems to be lost on you lot of heathens

Donz, I have to ask this though, as the OP you mention. Where in my post did you get the idea my wife wanted the handbag, or your scarf?

A 5 page rant! Man oh Man. I'm new to this forum but that seems like a lot of man talk over a handbag yeah? All I can say is thank G we weren't all in the pub! Apart from brawling the heated arguments over a handbag might have raised an eyebrow or two.

Maybe your rant changed someone somewhere, so no harm done.

[OlRedEyes]

To the OP, ask her if she needs a scarf, i will sell her one for 500,000 baht, its a bargain as its got beautiful patterns and is 100% polyester (excuse the spelling)

I haven't replied in this thread basically coz it was a rant, and my point seems to be lost on you lot of heathens

Donz, I have to ask this though, as the OP you mention. Where in my post did you get the idea my wife wanted the handbag, or your scarf?

A 5 page rant! Man oh Man. I'm new to this forum but that seems like a lot of man talk over a handbag yeah? All I can say is thank G we weren't all in the pub! Apart from brawling the heated arguments over a handbag might have raised an eyebrow or two.

Maybe your rant changed someone somewhere, so no harm done.

No, it was a one post rant. The 5 pages were replies to the wrong part of the rant

[Donz]

To the OP, ask her if she needs a scarf, i will sell her one for 500,000 baht, its a bargain as its got beautiful patterns and is 100% polyester (excuse the spelling)

I haven't replied in this thread basically coz it was a rant, and my point seems to be lost on you lot of heathens

Donz, I have to ask this though, as the OP you mention. Where in my post did you get the idea my wife wanted the handbag, or your scarf?

Oh yes your right. Well of you know of anyone wanting to buy one of my scarf's then you know who to pm

[thaibebop]

I am always amazed at how people are so willing to condemn others over such petty issues. Calling someone soulless over a hand bag is just going to far. The Holocaust was soulless, the Rape of Nanking was soulless, this is a handbag people. Get a grip.

If a person has the means it's not anybodies business or concern how they choose to spend it. The only time I would feel the need to comment on such a purchase is if that person has kids that aren't being fed and clothed yet they are buying LV and Gold watches. If the person has six million in the bank and the family's needs and desires are taking care of, it's there business, f off.

I would now question why a person would wish to abuse the consumer in this case. Jealous, what? To be bitter over a handbag speaks of little else.

So let me get this straight. If you had 6 million in the bank and all your families needs were taken care of then the rest of the world can just, quote 'f off'? I don't need six mil to tell someone to fck off. My point was that if the money spent on a luxury item was needed for a necessity than there is a problem. If the money spent on a luxury item was extra funds thus not needed for more important issues, there is no problem and said person has done nothing wrong, morally, ethically. The holocaust and Nanking were more than soulless, they were evil.

You want to slipt hairs over soulless and evil?

Soulless is where someone is lacking in warmth, sensitivity, or feeling for others. Murdering 6 million people doesn't quite fit into that category. That's not soulless?!! The nazis will be glad to hear this. Ignoring the plight of others whilst you are in a position greater than 'secure' is pretty soulless if you ask me. Well, I am not and that's a pretty fked view. My in-laws who have taken care of their family and who help my mother-in-laws 6 younger brothers and sisters into better positions in life and look after those they employ like family must some of the most soulless bastards on the planet because they don't hand out all the hard earned money they have to strangers, and it must make then even worse because they want that money saved for their children and grandchildren to help ensure good health and good chances in the world. Yeah, sick they must be!!

Maybe some here are jealous, and they need to look again at themselves.

Wow Mr BeBop, I really seem to have touched a nerve there! Appologies if I made you spill your coffee.

I guess what I was trying to say is that I know plenty of rich people, and people who are well off and some of them share their wealth whilst others do not. I by no means want people to give away all of their hard earned cash, far from it. But we can all help in our own little way.

I guess I was splitting hairs between 'soulless' and 'evil'. I didn't use the term in the first place and I would agree that it is a bit too strong for these circumstances. What the Nazis did was all of the above and then some. I bet those t**sers were walking around with some pretty pukka handbags whilst on their murdering sprees.

As for your in-laws, it sounds like their staff are onto a good thing. If only all employers could be the same. No they should not give away everything, they are doing good already.

I do feel sad that in a world where there is so much poverty that someone would even want to walk around using a piece of sewn material to hold stuff in priced at a value that could buy someone a new kidney or help in some way.

So, if I got your back up I appologise. I was once cut off in Egypt for 4 days with absolutely no money. I lived on the street, drank from a well and starved. I remember watching a cruise boat sail past on the Nile. On the top deck they were having a full 'bib 'n tucker' do with food piled to the rafters. I felt so hungry I was sick. It made me realise what it would be like to see the have's when you are a have not.

Sorry for the late reply. My rolex told me it was time to go and get the porsche. It was in for repairs you see, I spilt paint on it when I was fixing my yacht.

I shouldn't have gone of like that anyway. I hear this stuff so often and it gets old. It's not the money, it's not even how the money it spent, it's the person and that's all.

[The Skipper]

I was a landscaper in California. Saw some incredible spending.

One fellow had a MIG that he took for joy rides on the wekend, some would rent Laguna Seca and run their Ferrari collection for a few laps, another had a $3million statue in the back yard, one guy had a boat that required a $1million a year service, another had His/Her Lear Jets, Picassos on the wall, rare diamonds, you name it.

They all had dozens of employees though and supported many families.

Can't say it's wrong.

[Gary A]

People can spend THEIR money anyway they choose. Why do we worry about how they spend their money? Many of have nothing else to worry about. I for one have to waste my time doing SOMETHING! Some things I consider a total waste of money other people think of as necessities. That's what makes life interesting.

[soic]

I'm sorry but this whole rant hasn't been about the plight of the poor or the needless waste of money, it's core has been the jealously of not having the kind of money to throw away on an overpriced handbag. The have-nots angry with the haves and it's not fair if I don't have mine, why... umm ummm errr, Oh yeah!!!! because of all the poor people. If people wanted to really live by all the feel good remarks they chastized us with, they'd be dirt poor living on the streets too. Someone that felt that strongly about the poor would work themselves to death, give it all to the poor and live on the streets. Everything we have in Western society is virtually a luxury, a nice soft bed when a matt on the floor would suffice, hot food, why waste energy heating it, shoes, God gave us strong feet, clothes, heck leaves worked for Adam. The point is not what rich people, or we or anyone else spends their money on, that's a matter of choice and right, because they earned it. Helping the poor is a choice, there are those that wag a finger at the rich, while eating a Big Mac, whick would buy enough rice in some places to feed a family of 4 for a week. We all have our extravagances, they're based on our income and lifestyle. It's not fair to accuse or blame others for theirs based on your income or lifestyle, rich or poor. The people that want to be martyrs for the poor should do that, and not point fingers while living better than the poor. I believe the poor should be helped, and they are being helped, everyday. There are other things that can be done for the poor, and they can help themselves too sometimes. I mean of the millions starving in Africa today... how many more will there be tomorrow. If nations are starving to death, why bring more children into that... There's plenty that can be done... but yelling foul over the wealthy buying a handbag won't fix it. Quoting Ghandi won't fix it... Giving up all of my money, you yours and everyone on TV doing the same wouldn't wipe out world hunger. And pointing the gosh darn finger won't either.

[backflip]

Years ago, I dated a Jewish woman who worked as a physical therapist at a (US) veteran's hospital. The Blue Angels (US Air Force acrobatic flying team) were in town for a couple shows and I asked he to join me. She became enraged...she thought the US were warmongers, the air show was a glorification of war, she was a passivist...and on and on. I then mentioned that, as an employee of a veteran's hospital, she indirectly supported the war effort. As you might expect, that didn't sit particularly well, and she was venting once again...finally ending with "the defense budget should be cut". I agreed with her, repying that the first thing the US should do was stop all aid to Israel. That, my friends, was the end of the relationship.

[thaibebop]

From The Life Of Brain.

Brain: There's no pleasing some people.

Ex-leper: That's the same thing Jesus said, sir.

[The Skipper]

Years ago, I dated a Jewish woman who worked as a physical therapist at a (US) veteran's hospital. The Blue Angels (US Air Force acrobatic flying team) were in town for a couple shows and I asked he to join me. She became enraged...she thought the US were warmongers, the air show was a glorification of war, she was a passivist...and on and on. I then mentioned that, as an employee of a veteran's hospital, she indirectly supported the war effort. As you might expect, that didn't sit particularly well, and she was venting once again...finally ending with "the defense budget should be cut". I agreed with her, repying that the first thing the US should do was stop all aid to Israel. That, my friends, was the end of the relationship.

What a party pooper.

I love the Blue Angels.

They would come do a privte show for the Golf Caddies at Cypress Point Club after a free round. Saw it myself.

[OxfordWill]

The answer is, because it's yours, mine or whoevers right to spend out money that we've earned the way we see fit.

I think you misunderstood the OP. He wasn't commenting on rights (nor duties, incidentally, which you must consider whenever talking about "our rights") but merely having a rant about this particular observation. It was my comment that a defence in opposition to his view cannot be made by analogy to items dissimilar to handbags (and made this comment because multiple people were taking that position). That would obviate the original point being made. If I am wrong and he did indeed mean to suggest something (or anything) about "rights" then I stand corrected.

Incidentally I don't think you can be so sure that it is your right to spend your money any way you like (within personal "budgets"). It is my experience that an examined look at that opinion results in some contradiction with other popular norms of thinking, norms that I suspect you would subscribe to simultaneously.

[OlRedEyes]

Maybe I wasn't clear on what I was trying to say. I did reread the post, and it seems clear to me. But then who knows how functional my mind still is....

I don't dispute the right that everybody has to spend their money any way they please.

I do question your value as a human being, and the amount of self-respect you have, if you have to pour vast amounts of money that could be very useful to those around you into a bottomless pit in a desperate attempt to raise your own self-esteem. After all, you know yourself best, so if you find it so neccesary to have these trinkets to elevate yourself, I'll accept your own judgement that you are empty.

Above all I question society, who has made it something to look up to and aspire to; this pathetic display of 'look what I have, I may be an empty useless piece of <deleted>, but look at me sparkle'.

That value is the basis of marketing.

Teach your kids not to admire opulence, but to condemn it. Change the value, and the money will flow in more useful directions.

And no, I don't buy the story that the excessive price eventually support some workers somewhere, maybe .1% of it. The rest goes around in the same disgusting empty cycle.

And I did state I have no problem with luxury, just excessive waste.

Edited June 4, 2006 by OlRedEyes