Anand Panyarachun named the most suitable neutral prime minister

[BlueNoseCodger]

I agree… He would be Good for the country.. And Neutral As much as anybody could be…. Just trying to fill the rest of the government and post with Neutral Persons may be difficult.

The Thai civil service is more than capable of maintaining a functional government, they have some excellent technocrats who can hold ministries together, they certainly could not make the country worse nor make overtly politically risky decisions.

Stability is the key for the country for at least a couple of years..

Consistency is everything. Yingluk had 2 years left to rule anyway before Suthep's mob kicked her out by force.

She's entitled with that Feb 2nd win, to be PM for another 4 years, as a compromise she might drop it to 2 years she should have had anyway, but I don't think its reasonable to reward popcorn coups. It only encourages extremism. She has to serve the full 4 years, it will give the Democrats chance to find an electable leader, a timeout from their endless coup attempts.

By trying to have a neutral PM, it only encourages the Democrats to fly off to ridiculous extremes to drag the definition of 'neutral' to their side.

The last thing we need is for the Dems to be even further off to the insane right.

Edited February 26, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[Cnxforever]

No offense, but isn't being 81 years old a bit too old for a job like that in a country like this? Just thinking...

Not surprised that his name comes forward - you are right - what Thailand needs is new faces with new ideas.

Out with all the backwards, xenophobic "old guard" who have done nothing but create monopolies for themselves, they have been robbing the Thai people for too long now and have never allowed real competition into the country. They stay filthy rich and everybody else pays the price.

Get somebody who can change this country and the way it does business - not somebody who has vested interest to keep things the way they are - the country will flourish like never before!

And what are they talking about neutral??? He has a vested interest that a certain event does not take place - he is very likely part of the plan behind these demonstrations! (Wikileaks - he is on "The list") If the law would be applied fairly to all in Thailand he actually would be in prison now - but a former US ambassador would hardly testify in a les majeste trial - it is only the people behind this who saved him - and almost funny - they are guilty of the same crime - as well documented by the Americans.

His "achievements" while PM

• Electricity market "reform" including the introduction of Independent Power Producers (IPPs) -(his former and future Saha Union!) and the initiation of a 10 year liberalisation and privatisation plan for EGAT -Many have noted that Saha-Union Group, which Anand chaired, won a major bid to build a large coal-fired power plant while Anand was in power.
• Anand rejoined the Saha-Union Group as Chairman after the general elections of 1992. His government had awarded Saha-Union a major Indepentant Power Producer concession.
• Award of a multi-billion baht concession to Telecom Asia (today known as TRUE) to build and operate two million telephone lines in Bangkok.It was noted by many that General Suchinda, the coup-leader who installed Anand as Prime Minister, was appointed Chairman of Telecom Asia after he was toppled from power.

It looks like that NOBODY from the old guard is free of corruption - not even Anand who they always try to pass off as absolutely clean!!

[Davidhere]

NIDA has a booth on Asoke with the Suthep thugs so a NIDA poll in National politics means nothing.

Was the poll conducted in that booth?

[pmugghc]

After the parliament fails to reach 95% doesn't the power to elect a PM go to the senate? Don't they have to put a PM from the MPs? Any coalition partner MP that would be respected by all sides?

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[tomyummer]

Anand supported the 2006 military coup that abrogated the People's Constitution and overthrew the government of Thaksin Shinawatra. Anand had been a sharp critic of Thaksin for several years prior to the coup, and he blamed the coup on Thaksin. He also stated fears that the military junta would fail and that Thaksin could make a comeback. "When the [Chatichai] government disappeared from the scene [after the 1991 coup] there was no fear it could make a comeback. But over the past five years Thaksin and his party have become too powerful. They have consolidated their hold over the government machinery and certain sectors of the armed forces and parliament. So I think it's a more precarious situation." Anand claimed that the coup was well received by the people and that the military junta's ban against opposition or political activity would not last long. He also noted surprise at the international community's condemnation to the coup.

He is my Man.

Mine too. I just wish he were 20 years younger.

[pmugghc]

I agree… He would be Good for the country.. And Neutral As much as anybody could be…. Just trying to fill the rest of the government and post with Neutral Persons may be difficult.

The Thai civil service is more than capable of maintaining a functional government, they have some excellent technocrats who can hold ministries together, they certainly could not make the country worse nor make overtly politically risky decisions.

Stability is the key for the country for at least a couple of years..

Consistency is everything. Yingluk had 2 years left to rule anyway before Suthep's mob kicked her out by force.

She's entitled with that Feb 2nd win, to be PM for another 4 years, as a compromise she might drop it to 2 years she should have had anyway, but I don't think its reasonable to reward popcorn coups. It only encourages extremism. She has to serve the full 4 years, it will give the Democrats chance to find an electable leader, a timeout from their endless coup attempts.

By trying to have a neutral PM, it only encourages the Democrats to fly off to ridiculous extremes to drag the definition of 'neutral' to their side.

The last thing we need is for the Dems to be even further off to the insane right.

What Feb 2 win? If they don't have 475 MPs they can't form a government.

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[djjamie]

who cares what YOU think?

are you Thai? no - so shut up

I could not have said it any better myself….

[djjamie]

In a democracy the person who wins an election is the leader. That is Yingluk she is the only person to have a legitimate claim.

Anything else is a coup. Anything else is not democracy.

[added: it is interest though that they accept that people need to be asked, i.e. they accept the principle of democracy, now if there was only some way we could ask everyone and the people could pick a leader by selecting their party, we could count these paper records, and determinng the winner by some carefully documented method. ]

Ohhhh, so you know the election results already even before the election is finished and votes tabulated?

Sounds like a rigged vote if you can foretell the results.

[pmugghc]

In a democracy the person who wins an election is the leader. That is Yingluk she is the only person to have a legitimate claim.

Anything else is a coup. Anything else is not democracy.

[added: it is interest though that they accept that people need to be asked, i.e. they accept the principle of democracy, now if there was only some way we could ask everyone and the people could pick a leader by selecting their party, we could count these paper records, and determinng the winner by some carefully documented method. ]

Really naive rubbish! First of all you need an election that follows the laws and constitution. We don't have that yet. Then suppose the elected MPs elect a PM that is found by a court to have broken laws is that a coup?? If e.g. Clinton had been impeached would you have called that a coup?

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[Bkkbound]

I agree… He would be Good for the country.. And Neutral As much as anybody could be…. Just trying to fill the rest of the government and post with Neutral Persons may be difficult.

The Thai civil service is more than capable of maintaining a functional government, they have some excellent technocrats who can hold ministries together, they certainly could not make the country worse nor make overtly politically risky decisions.

Stability is the key for the country for at least a couple of years..

Consistency is everything. Yingluk had 2 years left to rule anyway before Suthep's mob kicked her out by force.

She's entitled with that Feb 2nd win, to be PM for another 4 years, as a compromise she might drop it to 2 years she should have had anyway, but I don't think its reasonable to reward popcorn coups. It only encourages extremism. She has to serve the full 4 years, it will give the Democrats chance to find an electable leader, a timeout from their endless coup attempts.

By trying to have a neutral PM, it only encourages the Democrats to fly off to ridiculous extremes to drag the definition of 'neutral' to their side.

The last thing we need is for the Dems to be even further off to the insane right.

"Insane right"!!?? You clearly have no grasp of the issues at stake.. the left right debate is not applicable in the world of Thai politics no matter how hard the shins try to portray this as an elite vs poor argument. It just is not that simple.

[JAG]

In a democracy the person who wins an election is the leader. That is Yingluk she is the only person to have a legitimate claim.

Anything else is a coup. Anything else is not democracy.

[added: it is interest though that they accept that people need to be asked, i.e. they accept the principle of democracy, now if there was only some way we could ask everyone and the people could pick a leader by selecting their party, we could count these paper records, and determinng the winner by some carefully documented method. ]

Ohhhh, so you know the election results already even before the election is finished and votes tabulated?

Sounds like a rigged vote if you can foretell the results.

BlueNoseCodger has on several occasions explained why he believes that Yingluck has won the election. You sneer at his view on the grounds that the election was not completed as it should have been, because the group which you support so enthusiastically, trashed it in a blatantly undemocratic manner.

Yet you see nothing wrong in ignoring the electorate and selecting a Prime Minister on the basis of an opinion poll conducted amongst less than 2000 people?

You are some strange supporter of democracy!

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Edited February 26, 2014 by JAG

[thomash]

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Anand supported the 2006 military coup that abrogated the People's Constitution and overthrew the government of Thaksin Shinawatra. Anand had been a sharp critic of Thaksin for several years prior to the coup, and he blamed the coup on Thaksin. He also stated fears that the military junta would fail and that Thaksin could make a comeback. "When the [Chatichai] government disappeared from the scene [after the 1991 coup] there was no fear it could make a comeback. But over the past five years Thaksin and his party have become too powerful. They have consolidated their hold over the government machinery and certain sectors of the armed forces and parliament. So I think it's a more precarious situation." Anand claimed that the coup was well received by the people and that the military junta's ban against opposition or political activity would not last long. He also noted surprise at the international community's condemnation to the coup.

He is my Man.

who cares what YOU think?

are you Thai? no - so shut up and let Thais decide

It amazes me how so many Thais do not realize part of democracy is freedom of speech for everyone even if you do not like what they say!!

[BlueNoseCodger]

No offense, but isn't being 81 years old a bit too old for a job like that in a country like this? Just thinking...

Not surprised that his name comes forward - you are right - what Thailand needs is new faces with new ideas.

Out with all the backwards, xenophobic "old guard" who have done nothing but create monopolies for themselves, they have been robbing the Thai people for too long now and have never allowed real competition into the country. They stay filthy rich and everybody else pays the price.

Get somebody who can change this country and the way it does business - not somebody who has vested interest to keep things the way they are - the country will flourish like never before!

And what are they talking about neutral??? He has a vested interest that a certain event does not take place - he is very likely part of the plan behind these demonstrations! (Wikileaks - he is on "The list") If the law would be applied fairly to all in Thailand he actually would be in prison now - but a former US ambassador would hardly testify in a les majeste trial - it is only the people behind this who saved him - and almost funny - they are guilty of the same crime - as well documented by the Americans.

His "achievements" while PM

• Electricity market "reform" including the introduction of Independent Power Producers (IPPs) -(his former and future Saha Union!) and the initiation of a 10 year liberalisation and privatisation plan for EGAT -Many have noted that Saha-Union Group, which Anand chaired, won a major bid to build a large coal-fired power plant while Anand was in power.
• Anand rejoined the Saha-Union Group as Chairman after the general elections of 1992. His government had awarded Saha-Union a major Indepentant Power Producer concession.
• Award of a multi-billion baht concession to Telecom Asia (today known as TRUE) to build and operate two million telephone lines in Bangkok.It was noted by many that General Suchinda, the coup-leader who installed Anand as Prime Minister, was appointed Chairman of Telecom Asia after he was toppled from power.

It looks like that NOBODY from the old guard is free of corruption - not even Anand who they always try to pass off as absolutely clean!!

IMHO, that's fine for a campaign for Anand's election, but you can't simply have a NIDA push poll and say 'lets dust off Anand and stick him in power again' because the power then is with the people who dusted him off, and that's not the voters who voted for him.

Really Anand would fall at the first step, he's a real dinosaur, pre-WWW, pre-Facebook, pre-YouTube, 81, and wouldn't work internationally. He couldn't win an election.

Scenario 1: Suthep thrown to the wolves, Abhisit or some other Dem (e.g. Korn) takes them back to Democracy. Yingluk offers fresh elections. We have a do-over. This is legal, she can dissolve Parliament on her first day and restart the election.

Scenario 2: Yingluk offers a do-over, but they refuse. F-em. The election is completed and she gets 4 years.

Scenario 3: Suthep's buddies have a judicial coup, and stick someone in power. A parliament is made of 500 people, so really they'd stick the Democrats in power and some fake leader above them. Trouble with this is people want to punish the democrats for destroying democracy, they'd have difficulty leading like 2008. Ending with the economy tanking.

Scenario 4: Neutral PM. No such thing, and Thailand can't have a weak leader when ASEAN is getting going, they'll walk all over us. This is just a fake offer to cover for Scenario 3, a democrat coup.

I really would like to see a stronger Democrat available. Abhisit is a wimp, he's been pulled around by Suthep, no matter how ridiculous and extreme Suthep got, Abhisit backed him. Why? Fresh faces from the Dems would give them something they need.. electability!

[Added: I always thought Korn was electable, but they've driven him out of politics, he's the right age,.... why not put him forward for election?]

Edited February 26, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[Blackmirage2013]

Anand is a sensible, likeable guy, who does not shoot off his mouth like Chalerm... he is smart unlike Yingluck and he is reasonable unlike Suthep....

What else do you want, a member from Thai Visa?!!!

[Fryslan boppe]

The NIDA Poll doing its' thing.

PAD-Dem oriented Pollsters and unelectables engaging in some wishful thinking, trying to legitimize themselves pretending it is the opinion of the Public.

As if an unelected guy can be a Prime Minister.

They tried that already with AV, and one can see where that got them.

[bigbamboo]

No offense, but isn't being 81 years old a bit too old for a job like that in a country like this? Just thinking...

Not surprised that his name comes forward - you are right - what Thailand needs is new faces with new ideas.

Out with all the backwards, xenophobic "old guard" who have done nothing but create monopolies for themselves, they have been robbing the Thai people for too long now and have never allowed real competition into the country. They stay filthy rich and everybody else pays the price.

Get somebody who can change this country and the way it does business - not somebody who has vested interest to keep things the way they are - the country will flourish like never before!

And what are they talking about neutral??? He has a vested interest that a certain event does not take place - he is very likely part of the plan behind these demonstrations! (Wikileaks - he is on "The list") If the law would be applied fairly to all in Thailand he actually would be in prison now - but a former US ambassador would hardly testify in a les majeste trial - it is only the people behind this who saved him - and almost funny - they are guilty of the same crime - as well documented by the Americans.

His "achievements" while PM

• Electricity market "reform" including the introduction of Independent Power Producers (IPPs) -(his former and future Saha Union!) and the initiation of a 10 year liberalisation and privatisation plan for EGAT -Many have noted that Saha-Union Group, which Anand chaired, won a major bid to build a large coal-fired power plant while Anand was in power.
• Anand rejoined the Saha-Union Group as Chairman after the general elections of 1992. His government had awarded Saha-Union a major Indepentant Power Producer concession.
• Award of a multi-billion baht concession to Telecom Asia (today known as TRUE) to build and operate two million telephone lines in Bangkok.It was noted by many that General Suchinda, the coup-leader who installed Anand as Prime Minister, was appointed Chairman of Telecom Asia after he was toppled from power.

It looks like that NOBODY from the old guard is free of corruption - not even Anand who they always try to pass off as absolutely clean!!

IMHO, that's fine for a campaign for Anand's election, but you can't simply have a NIDA push poll and say 'lets dust off Anand and stick him in power again' because the power then is with the people who dusted him off, and that's not the voters who voted for him.

Really Anand would fall at the first step, he's a real dinosaur, pre-WWW, pre-Facebook, pre-YouTube, 81, and wouldn't work internationally. He couldn't win an election.

Scenario 1: Suthep thrown to the wolves, Abhisit or some other Dem (e.g. Korn) takes them back to Democracy. Yingluk offers fresh elections. We have a do-over. This is legal, she can dissolve Parliament on her first day and restart the election.

Scenario 2: Yingluk offers a do-over, but they refuse. F-em. The election is completed and she gets 4 years.

Scenario 3: Suthep's buddies have a judicial coup, and stick someone in power. A parliament is made of 500 people, so really they'd stick the Democrats in power and some fake leader above them. Trouble with this is people want to punish the democrats for destroying democracy, they'd have difficulty leading like 2008. Ending with the economy tanking.

Scenario 4: Neutral PM. No such thing, and Thailand can't have a weak leader when ASEAN is getting going, they'll walk all over us. This is just a fake offer to cover for Scenario 3, a democrat coup.

I really would like to see a stronger Democrat available. Abhisit is a wimp, he's been pulled around by Suthep, no matter how ridiculous and extreme Suthep got, Abhisit backed him. Why? Fresh faces from the Dems would give them something they need.. electability!

[Added: I always thought Korn was electable, but they've driven him out of politics, he's the right age,.... why not put him forward for election?]

Not sure Yingluck would like to read your Scenario 2 where you say 'she gets four years'.

Agree that Korn is the best prospect for the Dems. He is Thailand's most highly regarded politician internationally.

[BlueNoseCodger]

No offense, but isn't being 81 years old a bit too old for a job like that in a country like this? Just thinking...

Not surprised that his name comes forward - you are right - what Thailand needs is new faces with new ideas.

Out with all the backwards, xenophobic "old guard" who have done nothing but create monopolies for themselves, they have been robbing the Thai people for too long now and have never allowed real competition into the country. They stay filthy rich and everybody else pays the price.

Get somebody who can change this country and the way it does business - not somebody who has vested interest to keep things the way they are - the country will flourish like never before!

And what are they talking about neutral??? He has a vested interest that a certain event does not take place - he is very likely part of the plan behind these demonstrations! (Wikileaks - he is on "The list") If the law would be applied fairly to all in Thailand he actually would be in prison now - but a former US ambassador would hardly testify in a les majeste trial - it is only the people behind this who saved him - and almost funny - they are guilty of the same crime - as well documented by the Americans.

His "achievements" while PM

• Electricity market "reform" including the introduction of Independent Power Producers (IPPs) -(his former and future Saha Union!) and the initiation of a 10 year liberalisation and privatisation plan for EGAT -Many have noted that Saha-Union Group, which Anand chaired, won a major bid to build a large coal-fired power plant while Anand was in power.
• Anand rejoined the Saha-Union Group as Chairman after the general elections of 1992. His government had awarded Saha-Union a major Indepentant Power Producer concession.
• Award of a multi-billion baht concession to Telecom Asia (today known as TRUE) to build and operate two million telephone lines in Bangkok.It was noted by many that General Suchinda, the coup-leader who installed Anand as Prime Minister, was appointed Chairman of Telecom Asia after he was toppled from power.

It looks like that NOBODY from the old guard is free of corruption - not even Anand who they always try to pass off as absolutely clean!!

IMHO, that's fine for a campaign for Anand's election, but you can't simply have a NIDA push poll and say 'lets dust off Anand and stick him in power again' because the power then is with the people who dusted him off, and that's not the voters who voted for him.

Really Anand would fall at the first step, he's a real dinosaur, pre-WWW, pre-Facebook, pre-YouTube, 81, and wouldn't work internationally. He couldn't win an election.

Scenario 1: Suthep thrown to the wolves, Abhisit or some other Dem (e.g. Korn) takes them back to Democracy. Yingluk offers fresh elections. We have a do-over. This is legal, she can dissolve Parliament on her first day and restart the election.

Scenario 2: Yingluk offers a do-over, but they refuse. F-em. The election is completed and she gets 4 years.

Scenario 3: Suthep's buddies have a judicial coup, and stick someone in power. A parliament is made of 500 people, so really they'd stick the Democrats in power and some fake leader above them. Trouble with this is people want to punish the democrats for destroying democracy, they'd have difficulty leading like 2008. Ending with the economy tanking.

Scenario 4: Neutral PM. No such thing, and Thailand can't have a weak leader when ASEAN is getting going, they'll walk all over us. This is just a fake offer to cover for Scenario 3, a democrat coup.

I really would like to see a stronger Democrat available. Abhisit is a wimp, he's been pulled around by Suthep, no matter how ridiculous and extreme Suthep got, Abhisit backed him. Why? Fresh faces from the Dems would give them something they need.. electability!

[Added: I always thought Korn was electable, but they've driven him out of politics, he's the right age,.... why not put him forward for election?]

Not sure Yingluck would like to read your Scenario 2 where you say 'she gets four years'.

Agree that Korn is the best prospect for the Dems. He is Thailand's most highly regarded politician internationally.

Well she could shorten it to 2 as a fob to them, that way she does her 4 years, and they get 2 years to get their act together elections wise.

I've never seen Korn speak internationally.

[Thai at Heart]

No offense, but isn't being 81 years old a bit too old for a job like that in a country like this? Just thinking...

Not surprised that his name comes forward - you are right - what Thailand needs is new faces with new ideas.

Out with all the backwards, xenophobic "old guard" who have done nothing but create monopolies for themselves, they have been robbing the Thai people for too long now and have never allowed real competition into the country. They stay filthy rich and everybody else pays the price.

Get somebody who can change this country and the way it does business - not somebody who has vested interest to keep things the way they are - the country will flourish like never before!

And what are they talking about neutral??? He has a vested interest that a certain event does not take place - he is very likely part of the plan behind these demonstrations! (Wikileaks - he is on "The list") If the law would be applied fairly to all in Thailand he actually would be in prison now - but a former US ambassador would hardly testify in a les majeste trial - it is only the people behind this who saved him - and almost funny - they are guilty of the same crime - as well documented by the Americans.

His "achievements" while PM

• Electricity market "reform" including the introduction of Independent Power Producers (IPPs) -(his former and future Saha Union!) and the initiation of a 10 year liberalisation and privatisation plan for EGAT -Many have noted that Saha-Union Group, which Anand chaired, won a major bid to build a large coal-fired power plant while Anand was in power.
• Anand rejoined the Saha-Union Group as Chairman after the general elections of 1992. His government had awarded Saha-Union a major Indepentant Power Producer concession.
• Award of a multi-billion baht concession to Telecom Asia (today known as TRUE) to build and operate two million telephone lines in Bangkok.It was noted by many that General Suchinda, the coup-leader who installed Anand as Prime Minister, was appointed Chairman of Telecom Asia after he was toppled from power.

It looks like that NOBODY from the old guard is free of corruption - not even Anand who they always try to pass off as absolutely clean!!

IMHO, that's fine for a campaign for Anand's election, but you can't simply have a NIDA push poll and say 'lets dust off Anand and stick him in power again' because the power then is with the people who dusted him off, and that's not the voters who voted for him.

Really Anand would fall at the first step, he's a real dinosaur, pre-WWW, pre-Facebook, pre-YouTube, 81, and wouldn't work internationally. He couldn't win an election.

Scenario 1: Suthep thrown to the wolves, Abhisit or some other Dem (e.g. Korn) takes them back to Democracy. Yingluk offers fresh elections. We have a do-over. This is legal, she can dissolve Parliament on her first day and restart the election.

Scenario 2: Yingluk offers a do-over, but they refuse. F-em. The election is completed and she gets 4 years.

Scenario 3: Suthep's buddies have a judicial coup, and stick someone in power. A parliament is made of 500 people, so really they'd stick the Democrats in power and some fake leader above them. Trouble with this is people want to punish the democrats for destroying democracy, they'd have difficulty leading like 2008. Ending with the economy tanking.

Scenario 4: Neutral PM. No such thing, and Thailand can't have a weak leader when ASEAN is getting going, they'll walk all over us. This is just a fake offer to cover for Scenario 3, a democrat coup.

I really would like to see a stronger Democrat available. Abhisit is a wimp, he's been pulled around by Suthep, no matter how ridiculous and extreme Suthep got, Abhisit backed him. Why? Fresh faces from the Dems would give them something they need.. electability!

[Added: I always thought Korn was electable, but they've driven him out of politics, he's the right age,.... why not put him forward for election?]

Not sure Yingluck would like to read your Scenario 2 where you say 'she gets four years'.

Agree that Korn is the best prospect for the Dems. He is Thailand's most highly regarded politician internationally.

Hes the one with the most about him, and knowing some people who were with him at Winchester, he is whip smart.

For some bizarre reason, he just seems to be able to talk to people in a rational way, far better than Abhisit. At the end of it though, an appointed parliament wont work, because everyone will sit and bide their time until there is an election. Their only way will be to ban every thing, even idea to do with the Shinawatras and to genuinely come up with some very clever meaningful social policies that work and are tangible to the poor. They will end up making a martyr to democracy out of Thaksin. Who would have thought.

Can you imagine the so called middle class putting up with actually having to pay their taxes?

Edited February 26, 2014 by Thai at Heart

[Old Man River]

If the election had been conducted as the constition requires, and not blocked, interfered with and frustrated by Suthep and his gangs, then that would have been a "broad selection" of the Thai people.

Am I alone in seeing the irony in denying the electorate their say in a general election, yet claiming that a poll of less than 2000 people is an accurate reflection of what the people want?

I'll answer myself, no, a very large number of the electorate, both amongst those who voted and those who were prevented from voting will find it ironical!

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Let's assume you are right and the elected MP's took office (Suthep never hit the streets - the poll never ocurred). Many would still be subject to being banned due to their past actions. Now the courts are going to have their say.

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[mrtoad]

Korn as a number of people have already pointed out would be a good candidate. Heis smart and respected, AFAIK not tainted with corruption. However given his links to the Dems it would not be acceptable to The Red Shirts. Really Thai politics needs a total clear out, lifetime bans, asset seizures and tough jail sentences for corrupt politicians. Proxies, should IMO also be banned and this across the board. Sadly, the same old dinosaurs are always involved every time, even if they are banned. It's a mess.

[binjalin]

The veiled condescension in your posts is not really required yet goes against everything you are trying to convince me of. That in itself reflects an undercurrent of contempt that you have for me for not believing the same beliefs as you. Simply because I do not agree with what you agree with you demonize me as is shown in your post. Sopme might call that the crawling steps of dictatorial tendencies.

Ignorance and blind devotion has shown that facts are not your strong point when it was made extremely clear that the 47% voter turn out did not include the polling stations that were effected by the "all principle of democracy" supporters. Don't let facts get in the way of your agenda though.

You go back to, "I bet in your country"…This is not my country nor is it yours. You are comparing apples to oranges. It is an illogical argument because Thailand is not AUstralia and visa versa. When there are difficult political situations in Australia the political punters don't say "I bet in Thailand they…." Apples and oranges my friend.

I will leave the condescension alone regarding the DJ jibe. I assume that is you releasing some steam at your frustrations and demonizing me makes you feel better.

Handful of Thai's that support Suthep? So have I. Agree with you 100%. Though if we get back onto the train of thought instead of diverting the conversation I didn't suggest otherwise. I said 60% of the broad Thai population represented in this poll said the PTP caretaker govt is illegitimate. Please don't play your old jedi mind tricks on me and try to make me go down a path where you have me on the defensive.

I'm pleased she can get the support in Chaing Rai. Good for her. What has that got to do with the majority of Thai's thinking the PTP are illegitimate?

​Abhsist can go to the deep south and be welcomed as a hero, but I dare not bring that up here as it is diverting the conversation and rebuttal.

May I suggest that you demonize less and factualize more so we can continue with this healthy debate which I am really starting to enjoy.

I know it's difficult for you, and i understand it, It's a complex situation and you are struggling to align it with other democratic struggles which are meaningful

this one is about the elite minority against the majority

you fail to dissemble this from the other heroic fights for freedom like Myanmar, South Africa and other Nations grasping for freedom - you have MISSED the obvious that this is more aligned to Mugabe and the Myanmar Generals reacting against the "people" wanting democracy and the old elite CLINGING to power (i.e. your hero Suthep)

you mention 'deep south' is that not where there is great UNREST and killings of School teachers? THIS you recommend is where Abhisit will be welcomed?

you need more study my friend - MUCH more study - come back when you turn 25 and have more experience and knowledge...

[djjamie]

In a democracy the person who wins an election is the leader. That is Yingluk she is the only person to have a legitimate claim.

Anything else is a coup. Anything else is not democracy.

[added: it is interest though that they accept that people need to be asked, i.e. they accept the principle of democracy, now if there was only some way we could ask everyone and the people could pick a leader by selecting their party, we could count these paper records, and determinng the winner by some carefully documented method. ]

Ohhhh, so you know the election results already even before the election is finished and votes tabulated?

Sounds like a rigged vote if you can foretell the results.

BlueNoseCodger has on several occasions explained why he believes that Yingluck has won the election. You sneer at his view on the grounds that the election was not completed as it should have been, because the group which you support so enthusiastically, trashed it in a blatantly undemocratic manner.

Yet you see nothing wrong in ignoring the electorate and selecting a Prime Minister on the basis of an opinion poll conducted amongst less than 2000 people?

You are some strange supporter of democracy!

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I have on several occasions explained why I believe yingluck has not won an election. People sneer at my view points on the grounds that the election was free and fair.

Yet you see nothing wrong in ignoring the majority of voters of 53% of which there were 45 million odd and is in sync with with the poll conducted of 2000 odd (broad selection, not rice farmers) people.

You are some strange supporter of beliefs over facts to push a form of democracy.

Can I spell it out.

All up 60% did not register a vote. The poll indicated about 60% don't want the PTP.

Is 63% a majority if they voted for the PTP in the 2011 election?

Is 63% a majority if they were against the amnesty bill?

Now as I have a strange understanding of democracy….Do you think calling voters garbage is democratic? Refusing to hold public hearings in water management? Telling voters that "if they don't vote for us we will not help you?" Passing an amnesty that 63% of the population didn't want? Setting up corruption departments, denouncing corruption. making it an election promise to stamp out corruption and then go against the majority of voters and try to push an amnesty bill that would allow 25 000 corruption charges to be absolved, including the PM's brother?

If that is my strange understanding of democracy, I would hate to see yours.

Can you name the principles of democracy for me?

[BlueNoseCodger]

Korn as a number of people have already pointed out would be a good candidate. Heis smart and respected, AFAIK not tainted with corruption. However given his links to the Dems it would not be acceptable to The Red Shirts. Really Thai politics needs a total clear out, lifetime bans, asset seizures and tough jail sentences for corrupt politicians. Proxies, should IMO also be banned and this across the board. Sadly, the same old dinosaurs are always involved every time, even if they are banned. It's a mess.

If you clear the decks for him, then you're in effect rigging the vote for him. I think part of the leader thing is the fight through these numpties.

IMHO he should have been chosen as Dems leader over Abhisit, he should have then sidetracked Suthep (who was going nowhere, and had served his purpose), and run a decent campaign, those seats Yingluk won last time were easy targets as are quite a few in the provinces.

[Thai at Heart]

In a democracy the person who wins an election is the leader. That is Yingluk she is the only person to have a legitimate claim.

Anything else is a coup. Anything else is not democracy.

[added: it is interest though that they accept that people need to be asked, i.e. they accept the principle of democracy, now if there was only some way we could ask everyone and the people could pick a leader by selecting their party, we could count these paper records, and determinng the winner by some carefully documented method. ]

Ohhhh, so you know the election results already even before the election is finished and votes tabulated?

Sounds like a rigged vote if you can foretell the results.

BlueNoseCodger has on several occasions explained why he believes that Yingluck has won the election. You sneer at his view on the grounds that the election was not completed as it should have been, because the group which you support so enthusiastically, trashed it in a blatantly undemocratic manner.

Yet you see nothing wrong in ignoring the electorate and selecting a Prime Minister on the basis of an opinion poll conducted amongst less than 2000 people?

You are some strange supporter of democracy!

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I have on several occasions explained why I believe yingluck has not won an election. People sneer at my view points on the grounds that the election was free and fair.

Yet you see nothing wrong in ignoring the majority of voters of 53% of which there were 45 million odd and is in sync with with the poll conducted of 2000 odd (broad selection, not rice farmers) people.

You are some strange supporter of beliefs over facts to push a form of democracy.

Can I spell it out.

All up 60% did not register a vote. The poll indicated about 60% don't want the PTP.

Is 63% a majority if they voted for the PTP in the 2011 election?

Is 63% a majority if they were against the amnesty bill?

Now as I have a strange understanding of democracy….Do you think calling voters garbage is democratic? Refusing to hold public hearings in water management? Telling voters that "if they don't vote for us we will not help you?" Passing an amnesty that 63% of the population didn't want? Setting up corruption departments, denouncing corruption. making it an election promise to stamp out corruption and then go against the majority of voters and try to push an amnesty bill that would allow 25 000 corruption charges to be absolved, including the PM's brother?

If that is my strange understanding of democracy, I would hate to see yours.

Can you name the principles of democracy for me?

As an extension of logic, you cannot for example infer, that because people didn't vote, that they do not want PTP

[Old Man River]

Out of curiosity:

For those that support Thaksin, who do you think would be a good neutral PM?

For those who support the upcountry Red Shirts, who do you think would be a good neutral PM?

The answers may not, necessarily, be the same.

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[djjamie]

The veiled condescension in your posts is not really required yet goes against everything you are trying to convince me of. That in itself reflects an undercurrent of contempt that you have for me for not believing the same beliefs as you. Simply because I do not agree with what you agree with you demonize me as is shown in your post. Sopme might call that the crawling steps of dictatorial tendencies.

Ignorance and blind devotion has shown that facts are not your strong point when it was made extremely clear that the 47% voter turn out did not include the polling stations that were effected by the "all principle of democracy" supporters. Don't let facts get in the way of your agenda though.

You go back to, "I bet in your country"…This is not my country nor is it yours. You are comparing apples to oranges. It is an illogical argument because Thailand is not AUstralia and visa versa. When there are difficult political situations in Australia the political punters don't say "I bet in Thailand they…." Apples and oranges my friend.

I will leave the condescension alone regarding the DJ jibe. I assume that is you releasing some steam at your frustrations and demonizing me makes you feel better.

Handful of Thai's that support Suthep? So have I. Agree with you 100%. Though if we get back onto the train of thought instead of diverting the conversation I didn't suggest otherwise. I said 60% of the broad Thai population represented in this poll said the PTP caretaker govt is illegitimate. Please don't play your old jedi mind tricks on me and try to make me go down a path where you have me on the defensive.

I'm pleased she can get the support in Chaing Rai. Good for her. What has that got to do with the majority of Thai's thinking the PTP are illegitimate?

​Abhsist can go to the deep south and be welcomed as a hero, but I dare not bring that up here as it is diverting the conversation and rebuttal.

May I suggest that you demonize less and factualize more so we can continue with this healthy debate which I am really starting to enjoy.

I know it's difficult for you, and i understand it, It's a complex situation and you are struggling to align it with other democratic struggles which are meaningful

this one is about the elite minority against the majority

you fail to dissemble this from the other heroic fights for freedom like Myanmar, South Africa and other Nations grasping for freedom - you have MISSED the obvious that this is more aligned to Mugabe and the Myanmar Generals reacting against the "people" wanting democracy and the old elite CLINGING to power (i.e. your hero Suthep)

you mention 'deep south' is that not where there is great UNREST and killings of School teachers? THIS you recommend is where Abhisit will be welcomed?

you need more study my friend - MUCH more study - come back when you turn 25 and have more experience and knowledge...

The veiled condescension in your posts continues. It is a sign of insecurity (or drunkenness) on your behalf and this thread is showing a trend of Tit for Tat now.

Not to mention the fact you are still unable to factualize yet can continue to belittle me for no other reason that I can gather than to make yourself look superior in front of your peers.

You also aren't even making sense anymore thus why I believe your drunk.

Either way, I will leave it at that.

Edited February 26, 2014 by djjamie

[mrtoad]

Korn as a number of people have already pointed out would be a good candidate. Heis smart and respected, AFAIK not tainted with corruption. However given his links to the Dems it would not be acceptable to The Red Shirts. Really Thai politics needs a total clear out, lifetime bans, asset seizures and tough jail sentences for corrupt politicians. Proxies, should IMO also be banned and this across the board. Sadly, the same old dinosaurs are always involved every time, even if they are banned. It's a mess.

If you clear the decks for him, then you're in effect rigging the vote for him. I think part of the leader thing is the fight through these numpties.

IMHO he should have been chosen as Dems leader over Abhisit, he should have then sidetracked Suthep (who was going nowhere, and had served his purpose), and run a decent campaign, those seats Yingluk won last time were easy targets as are quite a few in the provinces.

I'm not suggesting clearing the decks for him, although the decks need to be cleared of the political dinosaurs and associated clowns. It may be through that, that there are some new emerging politicians. There has to something better than he current crop, I'd even trust my daughter to a better job and she's 8.

[HooHaa]

listen to you lot on about yellow and red trolls, you dont sound any better to me than the politicians you assume yourselves superior to

[BlueNoseCodger]

In a democracy the person who wins an election is the leader. That is Yingluk she is the only person to have a legitimate claim.

Anything else is a coup. Anything else is not democracy.

[added: it is interest though that they accept that people need to be asked, i.e. they accept the principle of democracy, now if there was only some way we could ask everyone and the people could pick a leader by selecting their party, we could count these paper records, and determinng the winner by some carefully documented method. ]

Ohhhh, so you know the election results already even before the election is finished and votes tabulated?

Sounds like a rigged vote if you can foretell the results.

BlueNoseCodger has on several occasions explained why he believes that Yingluck has won the election. You sneer at his view on the grounds that the election was not completed as it should have been, because the group which you support so enthusiastically, trashed it in a blatantly undemocratic manner.

Yet you see nothing wrong in ignoring the electorate and selecting a Prime Minister on the basis of an opinion poll conducted amongst less than 2000 people?

You are some strange supporter of democracy!

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

I have on several occasions explained why I believe yingluck has not won an election. People sneer at my view points on the grounds that the election was free and fair.

Yet you see nothing wrong in ignoring the majority of voters of 53% of which there were 45 million odd and is in sync with with the poll conducted of 2000 odd (broad selection, not rice farmers) people.

You are some strange supporter of beliefs over facts to push a form of democracy.

Can I spell it out.

All up 60% did not register a vote. The poll indicated about 60% don't want the PTP.

Is 63% a majority if they voted for the PTP in the 2011 election?

Is 63% a majority if they were against the amnesty bill?

Now as I have a strange understanding of democracy….Do you think calling voters garbage is democratic? Refusing to hold public hearings in water management? Telling voters that "if they don't vote for us we will not help you?" Passing an amnesty that 63% of the population didn't want? Setting up corruption departments, denouncing corruption. making it an election promise to stamp out corruption and then go against the majority of voters and try to push an amnesty bill that would allow 25 000 corruption charges to be absolved, including the PM's brother?

If that is my strange understanding of democracy, I would hate to see yours.

Can you name the principles of democracy for me?

If you don't vote for a representative, you don't get represented. Democracy 101, it punishes apathy.

It's the majority of voters for candidates that decide an election, not some magic majority of everyone.

Obama won 61,173,739 votes. Out of 227 million people eligable to vote in America. He's the elected democratic President with a majority.

[marcusd]

Anand supported the 2006 military coup that abrogated the People's Constitution and overthrew the government of Thaksin Shinawatra. Anand had been a sharp critic of Thaksin for several years prior to the coup, and he blamed the coup on Thaksin. He also stated fears that the military junta would fail and that Thaksin could make a comeback. "When the [Chatichai] government disappeared from the scene [after the 1991 coup] there was no fear it could make a comeback. But over the past five years Thaksin and his party have become too powerful. They have consolidated their hold over the government machinery and certain sectors of the armed forces and parliament. So I think it's a more precarious situation." Anand claimed that the coup was well received by the people and that the military junta's ban against opposition or political activity would not last long. He also noted surprise at the international community's condemnation to the coup.

He is my Man.

who cares what YOU think?

are you Thai? no - so shut up and let Thais decide

What a nasty man or woman you are. Saying things like this ... then it is better that you go elsewhere.

i cannot believe the MODS have not banned you 3 days three times as did happen to me for saying someone was STUPID - even though they were clearly so..

get the drift???????