Redshirts beating a Buddhist monk in Nonthaburi [video]

[lungmi]

Oh, Gk, the hacklawyer in perfection. Knowing all, but understand nothing. Distorting every fact in a way

(high intelligence, I agree) that some people follow you . You was student of Mr. Amsterdam?

[Cricketnut]

The Red shirts at their 2010 best.

Well done to His Majesty's Police Force for rescuing the monk. And who said His Majesty's Police never do a good job...carefully now before responding as one maybe speaking against appointed members of the RTP.

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[MGP]

Another disgusting image

[pmugghc]

redshirt scum....anyone going to defend that...

The PRD were exercising their right to protest just like the PDRC.

The chap dressed up as monk certainly was no monk. As you know, monks are not supposed to engage in political activities, nor should they use curse words nor call people derogatory names. As there were no PDRC protestors at the location, the monk was not intervening for humanitarian reasons, but did so for his own political motives. Simply because the man was wearing a monk's attire does not make him special or holy. He made the mistake of trying to use his position to intimidate people. He miscalculated and perhaps should stick to selling magical amulets to the superstitious.

Where is your evidence he was not a monk? The monk came from a funeral, tried to stop people from destroying other's property. Is that political ?

[khunsuar]

redshirt scum....anyone going to defend that...

The PRD were exercising their right to protest just like the PDRC.

The chap dressed up as monk certainly was no monk. As you know, monks are not supposed to engage in political activities, nor should they use curse words nor call people derogatory names. As there were no PDRC protestors at the location, the monk was not intervening for humanitarian reasons, but did so for his own political motives. Simply because the man was wearing a monk's attire does not make him special or holy. He made the mistake of trying to use his position to intimidate people. He miscalculated and perhaps should stick to selling magical amulets to the superstitious.

Where is your evidence he was not a monk? The monk came from a funeral, tried to stop people from destroying other's property. Is that political ?

Agreed. You offer no proof, just hot air conjecture and knee jerk response. Man up and prove what you say, if you can.

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[northernjohn]

If he was a Monk...he should have had his ass in a temple somewhere...instead of siding with ANY Policital Party.....

If you are not a Thai, you should be sitting in a bar and ogling young ladies and dribbling in your beer instead of siding with any political Party.

with the information he is posting I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he was all ready sitting in a red shirt bar.

Sounds like he has been in there for a while also.

[northernjohn]

Thai monks should keep to doing monk-like things and keep their nose out of politics. Amazing all the Thaivisa experts having an orgasm over this. Didn't see much written by these same exerts over the taxi driver beaten into a coma by PDRC or the under cover police beaten by PDRC guards and then interrogated by that rat- bag monk who set up the stage at Chaeng Wattana.

So you and the <deleted> who liked your post are saying that this was perfectly acceptable behaviour?

Give them a few drinks and a bar girl and many people will OK this kind of action.

The poster obviously knows nothing about Buddhism.

[northernjohn]

redshirt scum....anyone going to defend that...

The PRD were exercising their right to protest just like the PDRC.

The chap dressed up as monk certainly was no monk. As you know, monks are not supposed to engage in political activities, nor should they use curse words nor call people derogatory names. As there were no PDRC protestors at the location, the monk was not intervening for humanitarian reasons, but did so for his own political motives. Simply because the man was wearing a monk's attire does not make him special or holy. He made the mistake of trying to use his position to intimidate people. He miscalculated and perhaps should stick to selling magical amulets to the superstitious.

Guess that answers the question above, and my hunch posted; we do have the typical low lives trying to justify it. Pitiful.

I don't know if there is any correlation but it seems that some of them get lower the longer they live here. Maybe it is the ease of which one can obtain drugs here or the acceptance of drinking being a normal part of life.

I could mention the ease of obtaining a women but that is the only difference between here and where they come from. Where they come from there is just as many only they cost more and are not so open about it. Unless of course they are coming from a Muslim country.

[faranginexile]

"Budhist monks should stay out of politics and remain neutral, as they represent a spiritual holiness for the country, but in Thailand and Burna, Budhist monks always get involved in politics, which resulted in them being beaten and even executed; especially in time of crisis. Religious figures must remain neutral, in order to be respected by all sides. This is a wisdom that most religious figures do not comprehend or understand."

"Tell that to Archbishop Desmond Tutu and the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King."

. . . And let's not forget Thich Nhat Hahn in Vietnam, not to mention the legion of monks in Burma and the Saffron Revolution.

Edited March 25, 2014 by faranginexile

[phutoie2]

Thai monks should keep to doing monk-like things and keep their nose out of politics. Amazing all the Thaivisa experts having an orgasm over this. Didn't see much written by these same exerts over the taxi driver beaten into a coma by PDRC or the under cover police beaten by PDRC guards and then interrogated by that rat- bag monk who set up the stage at Chaeng Wattana.

So you and the <deleted> who liked your post are saying that this was perfectly acceptable behaviour?

Give them a few drinks and a bar girl and many people will OK this kind of action.

The poster obviously knows nothing about Buddhism.

Go on enlighten us about Buddhism, I dare you. T****r.

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[dutchisaan]

The english language paper we can not quote here just reported that 3 man and 1 women turned themself in at the policestation. The women claimd that the monk pointed his cane at her. She tought that he was not a real monk and was going to hit her with his cane.

She ask the man from this group to check him and than the assault took place.

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[whybother]

The english language paper we can not quote here just reported that 3 man and 1 women turned themself in at the policestation. The women claimd that the monk pointed his cane at her. She tought that he was not a real monk and was going to hit her with his cane.

She ask the man from this group to check him and than the assault took place.

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It's interesting that the PRD spokesman said that the monk hit someone with his cane, but none of the people that turned themselves in mentioned it.

Looks like they didn't get their stories straight before they talked to the police and media.

[AleG]

The english language paper we can not quote here just reported that 3 man and 1 women turned themself in at the policestation. The women claimd that the monk pointed his cane at her. She tought that he was not a real monk and was going to hit her with his cane.

She ask the man from this group to check him and than the assault took place.

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They said it was in self defense... 20 Red Shirts against a monk. What else can be expected from people that cheer at the prospect of turning Bangkok into a sea of fire and at the "good news" of five people (including two children) having been murdered?

[Jonmarleesco]

Well, that should aid their case, no end!

[thepool]

It takes real tough people to beat up a monk !

[Docno]

Thank You, Northernjohn.

An we have to keep in mind that this article is from Khaosod, the Red Shirt newspaper. So the allegation that he reportedly made "impolite remarks" may not be so true.

Ah... so the Red Shirts are so low that they would simply attack a monk who walked peaceably by them? Your mind is filled with its own propaganda...

[Diablo Bob]

Budhist monks should stay out of politics and remain neutral, as they represent a spiritual holiness for the country, but in Thailand and Burna, Budhist monks always get involved in politics, which resulted in them being beaten and even executed; especially in time of crisis. Religious figures must remain neutral, in order to be respected by all sides. This is a wisdom that most religious figures do not comprehend or understand.

Thailand & Burma????

Buddihst monks have been involved in politics almost as long as I can remember and in other countries.

South Vietnam 1963 protests against the Diem regime,Thích Quảng Đức self immolated (Lit himself on fire)

THCH_Q~1.JPG

Recently in Tibet, more self immolations of monks protesting against China.

I would think, Monks, as you say, represent a spiritual holiness, a purity and when they see coruption or a tainted government it is their obligation to lead their followers not sit on the sidelines and observe.

And this is why Monks are advised and directed to stay out of politics, whilst wearing the cloth they are supposed to remain neutral and not to engage in laymen distractions like politics. In case you didnt have the entire story he decided to get involved and have a go about the dismantling of a PDRC stage. Really there was no need for him to get involved at all as a monk and no one has any idea what was said but seems it was not polite, people dont just jump a monk for nothing here.

Shameful and disgraceful was the physical attack absolutely but every action has a reaction, as a Monk he should understand this. Not a very wise Monk if you ask me.

Really?

You had better inform the Dalai Lama then, he has been up to his eyes in politics for decades......

His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama seems to think otherwise or maybe you don't know as much about Buddism as you think you do.

Yes, I had the entire story, unlike most posters, I actually read the OP and all the responses before deciding to comment.

[Docno]

"Budhist monks should stay out of politics and remain neutral, as they represent a spiritual holiness for the country, but in Thailand and Burna, Budhist monks always get involved in politics, which resulted in them being beaten and even executed; especially in time of crisis. Religious figures must remain neutral, in order to be respected by all sides. This is a wisdom that most religious figures do not comprehend or understand."

"Tell that to Archbishop Desmond Tutu and the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King."

. . . And let's not forget Thich Nhat Hahn in Vietnam, not to mention the legion of monks in Burma and the Saffron Revolution.

"Sathien Wipornmaha, secretary of the Buddhist Association of Thailand (Bat), an non-government organisation (NGO), said that while monks have feelings like everyone else, sangha regulations prevent political expression...."

"Director general of the [National Office of Buddhism], Nopparat Benjawatananun, said joining a political protest is a breach of Buddhist discipline"

Source: Thailand's Bad Boy Monk Buddha Issara Keeps Getting Worse http://www.establishmentpost.com/thailands-bad-boy-monk-buddha-issara-keeps-getting-worse/#ixzz2wzdZv2hA

[Note, however, we don't know what the monk in this case said to incense the crowd].

[Docno]

Budhist monks should stay out of politics and remain neutral, as they represent a spiritual holiness for the country, but in Thailand and Burna, Budhist monks always get involved in politics, which resulted in them being beaten and even executed; especially in time of crisis. Religious figures must remain neutral, in order to be respected by all sides. This is a wisdom that most religious figures do not comprehend or understand.

Thailand & Burma????

Buddihst monks have been involved in politics almost as long as I can remember and in other countries.

South Vietnam 1963 protests against the Diem regime,Thích Quảng Đức self immolated (Lit himself on fire)

THCH_Q~1.JPG

Recently in Tibet, more self immolations of monks protesting against China.

I would think, Monks, as you say, represent a spiritual holiness, a purity and when they see coruption or a tainted government it is their obligation to lead their followers not sit on the sidelines and observe.

And this is why Monks are advised and directed to stay out of politics, whilst wearing the cloth they are supposed to remain neutral and not to engage in laymen distractions like politics. In case you didnt have the entire story he decided to get involved and have a go about the dismantling of a PDRC stage. Really there was no need for him to get involved at all as a monk and no one has any idea what was said but seems it was not polite, people dont just jump a monk for nothing here.

Shameful and disgraceful was the physical attack absolutely but every action has a reaction, as a Monk he should understand this. Not a very wise Monk if you ask me.

Really?

You had better inform the Dalai Lama then, he has been up to his eyes in politics for decades......

His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama seems to think otherwise or maybe you don't know as much about Buddism as you think you do.

Yes, I had the entire story, unlike most posters, I actually read the OP and all the responses before deciding to comment.

The Dalai Lama belongs to a different school of Buddhism governed by its own rules. Please refer to my post directly above.

[northernjohn]

Thank You, Northernjohn.

An we have to keep in mind that this article is from Khaosod, the Red Shirt newspaper. So the allegation that he reportedly made "impolite remarks" may not be so true.

Ah... so the Red Shirts are so low that they would simply attack a monk who walked peaceably by them? Your mind is filled with its own propaganda...

Speaking of a closed mind filled with it's own propaganda have you looked in a mirror lately?

In answer to your question they have sunk a lot lower than that. How about bombs at innocent children?

Of course in your mind there is no room to see any thing wrong with that.

[slipperx]

"Budhist monks should stay out of politics and remain neutral, as they represent a spiritual holiness for the country, but in Thailand and Burna, Budhist monks always get involved in politics, which resulted in them being beaten and even executed; especially in time of crisis. Religious figures must remain neutral, in order to be respected by all sides. This is a wisdom that most religious figures do not comprehend or understand."

"Tell that to Archbishop Desmond Tutu and the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King."

. . . And let's not forget Thich Nhat Hahn in Vietnam, not to mention the legion of monks in Burma and the Saffron Revolution.

"Sathien Wipornmaha, secretary of the Buddhist Association of Thailand (Bat), an non-government organisation (NGO), said that while monks have feelings like everyone else, sangha regulations prevent political expression...."

"Director general of the [National Office of Buddhism], Nopparat Benjawatananun, said joining a political protest is a breach of Buddhist discipline"

Source: Thailand's Bad Boy Monk Buddha Issara Keeps Getting Worse http://www.establishmentpost.com/thailands-bad-boy-monk-buddha-issara-keeps-getting-worse/#ixzz2wzdZv2hA

[Note, however, we don't know what the monk in this case said to incense the crowd].

This wouldn't be the same Thai monk who said Buddism was created for the Thais - would it? May have been another but I saw a video clip on Aljazeera a short time back.

As for the Monk who thinks politics has nothing to do with religion - apart from that being basically just a fallacy - maybe he needs to study more?

[englishoak]

"Budhist monks should stay out of politics and remain neutral, as they represent a spiritual holiness for the country, but in Thailand and Burna, Budhist monks always get involved in politics, which resulted in them being beaten and even executed; especially in time of crisis. Religious figures must remain neutral, in order to be respected by all sides. This is a wisdom that most religious figures do not comprehend or understand."

"Tell that to Archbishop Desmond Tutu and the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King."

. . . And let's not forget Thich Nhat Hahn in Vietnam, not to mention the legion of monks in Burma and the Saffron Revolution.

"Sathien Wipornmaha, secretary of the Buddhist Association of Thailand (Bat), an non-government organisation (NGO), said that while monks have feelings like everyone else, sangha regulations prevent political expression...."

"Director general of the [National Office of Buddhism], Nopparat Benjawatananun, said joining a political protest is a breach of Buddhist discipline"

Source: Thailand's Bad Boy Monk Buddha Issara Keeps Getting Worse http://www.establishmentpost.com/thailands-bad-boy-monk-buddha-issara-keeps-getting-worse/#ixzz2wzdZv2hA

[Note, however, we don't know what the monk in this case said to incense the crowd].

Exactly my point, this is not Vietnam nor Tibet and neither are the same school of Buddhism as Thailand. The Theravada sangha directive is not to get involved in politics at all.

This dosnt excuse an attack on the guy at all of course, it is just wrong but he should also not be having any political involvement or opinion at all. It is unlikely this would ever have happened id Issara was not so publicly involved in political protests and sending the message out it is ok to be involved in politics here whilst wearing a robe... It is not.

Issara has a lot to answer for.

[Docno]

"Budhist monks should stay out of politics and remain neutral, as they represent a spiritual holiness for the country, but in Thailand and Burna, Budhist monks always get involved in politics, which resulted in them being beaten and even executed; especially in time of crisis. Religious figures must remain neutral, in order to be respected by all sides. This is a wisdom that most religious figures do not comprehend or understand."

"Tell that to Archbishop Desmond Tutu and the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King."

. . . And let's not forget Thich Nhat Hahn in Vietnam, not to mention the legion of monks in Burma and the Saffron Revolution.

"Sathien Wipornmaha, secretary of the Buddhist Association of Thailand (Bat), an non-government organisation (NGO), said that while monks have feelings like everyone else, sangha regulations prevent political expression...."

"Director general of the [National Office of Buddhism], Nopparat Benjawatananun, said joining a political protest is a breach of Buddhist discipline"

Source: Thailand's Bad Boy Monk Buddha Issara Keeps Getting Worse http://www.establishmentpost.com/thailands-bad-boy-monk-buddha-issara-keeps-getting-worse/#ixzz2wzdZv2hA

[Note, however, we don't know what the monk in this case said to incense the crowd].

This wouldn't be the same Thai monk who said Buddism was created for the Thais - would it? May have been another but I saw a video clip on Aljazeera a short time back.

As for the Monk who thinks politics has nothing to do with religion - apart from that being basically just a fallacy - maybe he needs to study more?

Did you read the quotes? These aren't statements from random monks pulled out of their wats. The second statement is from the official regulator of Buddhism in Thailand (ref http://www.onab.go.th/en/index.htm - see 'ministerial regulation'). The first is from an association that codifies the regulations (see http://www.thaibuddhistassociation.com/home.php). Maybe you need to study more...

[Diablo Bob]

Thailand & Burma????

Buddihst monks have been involved in politics almost as long as I can remember and in other countries.

South Vietnam 1963 protests against the Diem regime,Thích Quảng Đức self immolated (Lit himself on fire)

THCH_Q~1.JPG

Recently in Tibet, more self immolations of monks protesting against China.

I would think, Monks, as you say, represent a spiritual holiness, a purity and when they see coruption or a tainted government it is their obligation to lead their followers not sit on the sidelines and observe.

And this is why Monks are advised and directed to stay out of politics, whilst wearing the cloth they are supposed to remain neutral and not to engage in laymen distractions like politics. In case you didnt have the entire story he decided to get involved and have a go about the dismantling of a PDRC stage. Really there was no need for him to get involved at all as a monk and no one has any idea what was said but seems it was not polite, people dont just jump a monk for nothing here.

Shameful and disgraceful was the physical attack absolutely but every action has a reaction, as a Monk he should understand this. Not a very wise Monk if you ask me.

Really?

You had better inform the Dalai Lama then, he has been up to his eyes in politics for decades......

His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama seems to think otherwise or maybe you don't know as much about Buddism as you think you do.

Yes, I had the entire story, unlike most posters, I actually read the OP and all the responses before deciding to comment.

The Dalai Lama belongs to a different school of Buddhism governed by its own rules. Please refer to my post directly above.

Sorry, doesn't seem to make a difference to me......

They ALL follow the teachings of the same man, Buddah.

The fact that an NGO is quoted that supposedly represents ALL the followers in Thailand is a laugh. Were they elected? If so, by whom? What is the origon of this NGO's funding?

In Thailand, you can find many different temples from different schools of Buddism... at least one school, probably more, allows monks to participate in politics, is in Thailand.

Pardon my scepticism, but I spent 10 years dealing with these self serving organizations (NGO's). A lot like expert witnesses, whoever pay's the bill dictates the content of the testimony/report.

[englishoak]

95% of Buddhists in Thailand follow the Theravada version generally they also wear a different colour of robe from other schools of thought to distinguish the difference, this one was in typical Theravada saffron yellow.

It is just more likely he forgot his teachings or chose to ignore them as so many other monks do that either smoke or drink or engage in other transgressions against their shangha here. It is not uncommon.

[AleG]

"Sathien Wipornmaha, secretary of the Buddhist Association of Thailand (Bat), an non-government organisation (NGO), said that while monks have feelings like everyone else, sangha regulations prevent political expression...."

"Director general of the [National Office of Buddhism], Nopparat Benjawatananun, said joining a political protest is a breach of Buddhist discipline"

Source: Thailand's Bad Boy Monk Buddha Issara Keeps Getting Worse http://www.establishmentpost.com/thailands-bad-boy-monk-buddha-issara-keeps-getting-worse/#ixzz2wzdZv2hA

[Note, however, we don't know what the monk in this case said to incense the crowd].

Exactly my point, this is not Vietnam nor Tibet and neither are the same school of Buddhism as Thailand. The Theravada sangha directive is not to get involved in politics at all.

This dosnt excuse an attack on the guy at all of course, it is just wrong but he should also not be having any political involvement or opinion at all. It is unlikely this would ever have happened id Issara was not so publicly involved in political protests and sending the message out it is ok to be involved in politics here whilst wearing a robe... It is not.

Issara has a lot to answer for.

If you would take the time to inform yourself you will find that the monk in question was attacked for bereating the Red Shirts for chasing and assaulting another person, nothing political in that. Apparently the Red Shirts thought that was enough grounds to mug the monk in "self defense".

[fatdrunkandstupid]

The redshirts are angry. They have a good right to be.

They have not yet been paid for last season's rice crop.

And thus they face losing the samsung galaxy, the Vigo and the kuboto.

Let us not forget that they got access to ridiculous amounts of credit to buy these things because of Taksin's policies.

But, Alas, thing are going to get a lot worse.

Not only did they not get paid for last season's crop, they don't have the money to plant for the next season, and even the scant few that do, are going to be burnt by the ensuing drought.

Drought in the north always follows a cold season. And this winter was the coldest on record.

They are not thugs, or mafia...they are just ill educated folk who know they are going to lose their phone, truck, tractor, and even, possibly, the deed to the farm. And thus, rightly so, they are bloody angry. But when you have been denied any form of real education for decades, you don't have the skill set to know where to direct that anger...and in that state of blunt ire, violence can easily ignite...even on monk.

I would bet my bottom dollar that if the police interogate anyone of the mob doing the beating and aske the simple question...WHY were you punching a monk...none would have an answer. It is just quintessential rage...

Watch this space...

[HD 205]

Oh c'mon guys, there is no defending this behaviour. The monk was getting involved/in the way? then they could've just told him to f off, not beat him up and surround him like pack animals.

Because when you say anything other than this being inexcusable behaviour, then you are putting yourself at the same level as the posters on here who constantly make excuses to defend the yellow thugs for their disgusting behaviour, the same guys who clap against democracy and for unelected councils because they don't like who's in power, the same guys who turn a blind eye to the obviousness of what the EC and judicary have done and continue to do because it suits their agenda and instead make often ludicrous arguments to excuse those actions.

Leave the point scoring 'debating' style to those people (y'know, the type who post about how they "can't wait for what the forum reds think about x" - salvating at the thought of an argument) and instead carry on being rational and call things for how they are, you can't lose that way.

Sorry if that came accross as preachy but from what I see on here, it seems that most posters deemed as being on the 'red side' to whatever degree, seem to be more level headed compared to the 'other side' - All from my own perspective of course.

[callaway]

That is the lowest of lows. Those people are that low they could break both legs falling out a snake ass. As for that piece of sh£t farang in there, well what a piece of work that scumbag is. Even kept people between him and the defenceless monk while trying to kick him. If anyone needs hunting down and deporting he would be a prime candidate. If they go to so much effort to deport an Indian resident for 50 years for speaking against the government then they should be all over this piece of sh£t farang like a rash. A good stay of 6 month in "The Hilton" and then out of here never to return. Authorities like to single out farang for special favours so hopefully this is on case they do. I would fully support them in this case. Go home you low life piece of white trash!!!!

[Robby nz]

not

The redshirts are angry. They have a good right to be.

They have not yet been paid for last season's rice crop.

And thus they face losing the samsung galaxy, the Vigo and the kuboto.

Let us not forget that they got access to ridiculous amounts of credit to buy these things because of Taksin's policies.

But, Alas, thing are going to get a lot worse.

Not only did they not get paid for last season's crop, they don't have the money to plant for the next season, and even the scant few that do, are going to be burnt by the ensuing drought.

Drought in the north always follows a cold season. And this winter was the coldest on record.

They are not thugs, or mafia...they are just ill educated folk who know they are going to lose their phone, truck, tractor, and even, possibly, the deed to the farm. And thus, rightly so, they are bloody angry. But when you have been denied any form of real education for decades, you don't have the skill set to know where to direct that anger...and in that state of blunt ire, violence can easily ignite...even on monk.

I would bet my bottom dollar that if the police interogate anyone of the mob doing the beating and aske the simple question...WHY were you punching a monk...none would have an answer. It is just quintessential rage...

Watch this space...

Another one who knows nothing about what is going on.

These were not farmers who were beating up on the monk they were city reds the leaders at least if not all, are well paid for their services to the red cause.

As for farmers all having new tractors etc, you have no clue and I very much doubt if you have ever been in a rice farming district.

And no it will not be the farmers who instigate violence and bring on a civil war.

Look who is standing up making the hate speeches, that's right the ones who have made millions doing it from 2010 on.