Did Thai steal from Khmer culture?

[paz]

Thanks for the link. However, you can yourself see the widespread extermination of Hindus & culture by Islamic rulers at that link.

And, please don't confuse incidents of communal tension with a well-planned out strategy to exterminate a particular religion, civilization and its culture.

At the end of the day, it's just a sad and disheartening subject no matter from which angle is taken.

It is common belief that there distinctions to be made, e.g. read

http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/hindfund.htm

But in my opinion that as we designate victim religions and executioner religions, we make a too broad statement that is contradicted by facts still occouring tpoday. Eg Buddhist monks persecuting Islamics recently in Myanmar.

[Lucifer]

In Cambodia, I've seen myself, there are a lot of Indian soaps on TV, translated in Khmer. Just one example. They seem to see the Indian culture a possitive influence. Almost a polar opposite of that of the Thai's.

[Asianbloke]

In Cambodia, I've seen myself, there are a lot of Indian soaps on TV, translated in Khmer. Just one example. They seem to see the Indian culture a possitive influence. Almost a polar opposite of that of the Thai's.

Nice to know that! I hope this age-old Thai-Khmer rivalry many gradually fade away if Thai start acknowledging the contribution of the Khmer to their culture and treat modern-day Cambodia with respect rather than a backward, inferior, untrustworthy neighbour, superstitious, black-magic practising country

[casualposter]

Well, a similar statement was made by the second president of India, Dr. Radhakrishnan:

The intolerance of narrow monotheism is written in letters of blood across the history of man from the time when first the tribes of Israel burst into the land of Canaan. The worshippers of the one Jealous God are egged on to aggressive wars against people of alien cults. They invoke Divine Sanction for the cruelties inflicted on the conquered. The spirit of old Israel is inherited by Christianity and Islam. ''

Hopefully present and future India governments will also act about the religious violence in their own country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence_in_India

No religion is exempt.

Thanks for the link. However, you can yourself see the widespread extermination of Hindus & culture by Islamic rulers at that link.

And, please don't confuse incidents of communal tension with a well-planned out strategy to exterminate a particular religion, civilization and its culture.

I'm enjoying your posts, LOKESH.

You keep going!!

[Lucifer]

Well, a similar statement was made by the second president of India, Dr. Radhakrishnan:

The intolerance of narrow monotheism is written in letters of blood across the history of man from the time when first the tribes of Israel burst into the land of Canaan. The worshippers of the one Jealous God are egged on to aggressive wars against people of alien cults. They invoke Divine Sanction for the cruelties inflicted on the conquered. The spirit of old Israel is inherited by Christianity and Islam. ''

Hopefully present and future India governments will also act about the religious violence in their own country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence_in_India

No religion is exempt.

Thanks for the link. However, you can yourself see the widespread extermination of Hindus & culture by Islamic rulers at that link.

And, please don't confuse incidents of communal tension with a well-planned out strategy to exterminate a particular religion, civilization and its culture.

I'm enjoying your posts, LOKESH.

You keep going!!

Trolling and patronizing.

Go and find another forum.

[casualposter]

I'm enjoying your posts, LOKESH.

You keep going!!

Trolling and patronizing.

Go and find another forum.

Stalking again?

I reported you last night to the MODS. Would you like me to report you again?

Edited April 2, 2014 by casualposter

[Lucifer]

I'm enjoying your posts, LOKESH.

You keep going!!

Trolling and patronizing.

Go and find another forum.

Stalking again?

I reported you last night to the MODS. Would you like me to report you again?

Either contribute to this forum or go somewhere else.

Does your mum know you're on the computer again?

[casualposter]

I'm enjoying your posts, LOKESH.

You keep going!!

Trolling and patronizing.

Go and find another forum.

Stalking again?

I reported you last night to the MODS. Would you like me to report you again?

Either contribute to this forum or go somewhere else.

Does your mum know you're on the computer again?

Stalker.

[Asianbloke]

An interesting fact:

There are KHMER numerals used on Thai currency.

[wym]

Well when Thais created writing symbols for their previously-only-spoken language, they adopted Khmer numerals to represent numbers.

Just as many of their alphabet's letters come from the Khmer symbols.

But these are Thai numbers when used in the context of Thai language, you can't really call them Khmer anymore since they've been part of the Thai language now for a few hundred years.

You do write a little more rational than some on this topic, but I believe your attitude is accurately reflected in this gem:

You Thai ingradeful that borrowing Khmer culture,Aplphabet numberals and words include dances and kick boxing as your when would you return must pay interest should be fair. For example chinese's fry noodle and Thai change to be your call Pad Thai, every asian countries can fry noodle. ashameeeee!!!.... stealer!

Really just a bit silly isn't it?

Yes Thais have contempt for their neighbors and this is encouraged by government policy, continue to propagate this contempt through their education system.

They generally despise Indians too, but not as much as Burma, Laos and Cambodia.

Yes it's a horrible thing, but I think you'll find most of us farang here don't give a toss.

[Sheryl]

The negative stereotypes many Thais hold towards their immediate neighbors (and South Asians as well -- but most especially, the Khmer, Burmese and Lao) is one issue, and a legitimate one, but I don't see that it has anything to do with cultural borrowing one way or the other.

[casualposter]

They generally despise Indians too, but not as much as Burma, Laos and Cambodia.

Yes it's a horrible thing, but I think you'll find most of us farang here don't give a toss.

I agree.

I remember an incident a few years back when a bunch of Thais went gambling in Poi Pet.

Apparently they all thought it was funny to laugh at Cambodian beggars.

Apparently they got chased back to their hotel and then needed a police escort when leaving Cambodia the following day.

[wym]

The negative stereotypes many Thais hold towards their immediate neighbors (and South Asians as well -- but most especially, the Khmer, Burmese and Lao) is one issue, and a legitimate one, but I don't see that it has anything to do with cultural borrowing one way or the other.

I think it directly pertains to what the OP is upset about - the fact that their educational system and government mouthpieces don't give due credit.

Even if the occasional Thai in fact was aware of their cultural debt, they'd never be able to acknowledge it publicly due to the shame of it.

But I'm still saying this isn't an issue that anyone with sense would have strong feelings about.

[Asianbloke]

Well when Thais created writing symbols for their previously-only-spoken language, they adopted Khmer numerals to represent numbers.

Just as many of their alphabet's letters come from the Khmer symbols.

But these are Thai numbers when used in the context of Thai language, you can't really call them Khmer anymore since they've been part of the Thai language now for a few hundred years.

You do write a little more rational than some on this topic, but I believe your attitude is accurately reflected in this gem:

You Thai ingradeful that borrowing Khmer culture,Aplphabet numberals and words include dances and kick boxing as your when would you return must pay interest should be fair. For example chinese's fry noodle and Thai change to be your call Pad Thai, every asian countries can fry noodle. ashameeeee!!!.... stealer!

Really just a bit silly isn't it?

Yes Thais have contempt for their neighbors and this is encouraged by government policy, continue to propagate this contempt through their education system.

They generally despise Indians too, but not as much as Burma, Laos and Cambodia.

Yes it's a horrible thing, but I think you'll find most of us farang here don't give a toss.

A gem, indeed. I simply mentioned an interesting observation I came across. You are free to make your interpretations w.r.t my intention behind posting it.

I only wanted to highlight the contempt with which Thai hold their present-day Cambodian neighbour DESPITE having burrowed so heavily from their culture (so much so that Khmer numerals have made to Thai currency notes and coins)

If that contempt is fed by the educational system, then is the new Thai generation ready to open its mind in the light of different information and finally acknowledge the contribution of the culture of their Cambodian neighbour rather than look down their noses at them.

In today's infonet-age, they couldn't be/have been so naive, could they?

[wym]

yes they are and will continue, helps them feel superior

[Lucifer]

...and lets not forget, if the Thai government (and those with higher powers) want the Thai population to believe the English language was born from a small village in Issan some 700 years ago, then, within a generation, that will be a fact in the minds of most Thai's.

[Asianbloke]

I recently came across an article about an ambitious project of the Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN).It involves creating a common history textbook for South East Asia.

Educators, historians & academics from many countries like Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam are coming together to construct a common understanding of their shared past. They would debate their disputed historical legacies.

The idea of a shared textbook originated because of the escalation of a dispute between Cambodia & Thailand over the sovereignty of the Preah Vihear border temple.

I see it as the step in the right direction. I know this is going to be a Herculean task fraught with difficulties. I hope the governments of all the nations concerned would work with earnestness and honesty.

I hope they would be receptive to new information, re-examine the historical disputes of the past and reconcile conflicting narratives (undo the wrongs of the past). Otherwise, the whole exercise would be rendered meaningless.

I can just hope for a better future.

[Som wat]

One thing is certain.

Many, many Farangs hate Thailand, Thais and Thai behavior with a passion!