Thawil says he will not report to PM Yingluck

[webfact]

Thawil says he will not report to PM

BANGKOK: -- National Security Council secretary-general Thawil Pliensri said today that he would not report to caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and would not attend the official handover of job from Lt-Gen Paradorn Patthanathabutr.

Nevertheless, he said he was a professional and would not have problem working with the government or the Centre for the Administration of Peace and Order but whether he would be allowed to attend the meetings of the cabinet or CAPO or not would depend on the government and CAPO.

Mr Thawil insisted that he could work with all parties concerned and would be ready to help out if requested. He said that his main priority task was to review the security policy in the Deep South and he would carry on with the peace talk process with the separatist groups.

With only five months to serve out before his mandatory retirement at the end of September, Mr Thawil vowed to do his best.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/thawil-says-will-report-pm/

-- Thai PBS 2014-04-29

[Costas2008]

The thorn, is going deeper in the eyes of this government.

[michaelscottfan]

It's going to be pretty interesting if the courts try to remove her for moving him given that he's on record for insubordination like this. If they're dumb enough to try, I wonder if they'll be shocked by both her and the world press not acknowledging their rulings anymore.

[h90]

It's going to be pretty interesting if the courts try to remove her for moving him given that he's on record for insubordination like this. If they're dumb enough to try, I wonder if they'll be shocked by both her and the world press not acknowledging their rulings anymore.

He is the head of an independent agency and Yingluck is care taker PM who might be most probably illegally in office.

[binjalin]

what a despicable and disloyal 'public' servant

unprofessional

[issanaus]

If he manages to get any progress in the South he will have provided a very great service to the Kingdom of Thailand

[h90]

what a despicable and disloyal 'public' servant

unprofessional

as you say he is a PUBLIC servant not a Shinawatra servant.

[bigbamboo]

what a despicable and disloyal 'public' servant

unprofessional

Thawil or Yingluck...?

[michaelscottfan]

It's going to be pretty interesting if the courts try to remove her for moving him given that he's on record for insubordination like this. If they're dumb enough to try, I wonder if they'll be shocked by both her and the world press not acknowledging their rulings anymore.

He is the head of an independent agency and Yingluck is care taker PM who might be most probably illegally in office.

Go look at the court ruling: They didn't argue that the PM couldn't move his post, just that they didn't believe her justification and sided with his claim that it was motivated by wanting his position vacant for helping a Shinawatra ally enter a new post, she argued that he was hostile in his post. His recent statements seem to back her claim.

[slapout]

When Thai government officials screw up, they are normally put in an inactive post and bid their time to slither back into the inner circle. The caretaker PM seems to have assumed the role of ''Inactive'', the government in its present state, must seek approval/decisions from numerous other legal/judicial branches, just to carry on. And it appears to have accepted the opposition as having a better chance than they have of solving political problems.

The man is going to do what many others, if, in this position would love to do. I have seen no remorse shown for the injustice done to this man, yet there are always some who feel that the boss, no matter how incompentent or in the wrong, must be kowtowed to. They may still practice and support slavery in their little circle of influence, but the circle is continually getting smaller and it will eventually fit their neck, quite nicely.

[Scamper]

" Nevertheless, he said he was a professional and would not have problem working with the government or the Centre for the Administration of Peace and Order but whether he would be allowed to attend the meetings of the cabinet or CAPO or not would depend on the government and CAPO. "

Everybody who has followed this case, particularly since the unanimous Supreme Administrative Court ruling, has found that this man has been frozen out of the Yingluck administration. Yes, they have reinstated him - with regret and a great deal of resistance - but Chalerm made it clear to him that there would be no place for him at CAPO. Remember, this is a man the Yingluck administration summarily dismissed for a Thaksin relative, and spent the next two and half years battling his reinstatement in court. Chalerm's horrible comment to him pretty much summarizes that he has not been asked to participate in either the cabinet or CAPO, though if he were would doubtless distinguish himself as ten times better than any other cabinet minister or ten times better than Chalerm - in his sleep. It needs also to be noted that this man is head of an independent agency. He is not beholden to the prime minister. At the moment, we have a caretaker administration on life-support, and under criminal investigation. Thawil can hold his head up high in comparison.

[ginjag]

what a despicable and disloyal 'public' servant

unprofessional

--really terrible

[GentlemanJim]

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what a despicable and disloyal 'public' servant

unprofessional

When one could hardly blame him as his loyalty has been kind of stretched to the limits really hasn't it. That aside he owes no loyalty to Yingluck, nor does she deserve it. I just wish you had such high standards and expectations for Yingluck and her Government as you do for everyone else.

[jayboy]

It's going to be pretty interesting if the courts try to remove her for moving him given that he's on record for insubordination like this. If they're dumb enough to try, I wonder if they'll be shocked by both her and the world press not acknowledging their rulings anymore.

He is the head of an independent agency and Yingluck is care taker PM who might be most probably illegally in office.

He is an insubordinate official who given his insolence to the Prime Minister would not last ten minutes in Beijing,Moscow,Paris,Tokyo,Jakarta,London,Paris or Washington.

[winstonc]

It's going to be pretty interesting if the courts try to remove her for moving him given that he's on record for insubordination like this. If they're dumb enough to try, I wonder if they'll be shocked by both her and the world press not acknowledging their rulings anymore.

He is the head of an independent agency and Yingluck is care taker PM who might be most probably illegally in office.

He is an insubordinate official who given his insolence to the Prime Minister would not last ten minutes in Beijing,Moscow,Paris,Tokyo,Jakarta,London,Paris or Washington.

were in thailand...treated like &lt;deleted&gt; would you keep your mouth closed...i hope not.

[chotthee]

I said the same thing once to my boss (who happened to be the MD).

I was sack.

[The Deerhunter]

It's going to be pretty interesting if the courts try to remove her for moving him given that he's on record for insubordination like this. If they're dumb enough to try, I wonder if they'll be shocked by both her and the world press not acknowledging their rulings anymore.

He is the head of an independent agency and Yingluck is care taker PM who might be most probably illegally in office.

He is an insubordinate official who given his insolence to the Prime Minister would not last ten minutes in Beijing,Moscow,Paris,Tokyo,Jakarta,London,Paris or Washington.

Or 5 seconds in North Korea

[fab4]

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what a despicable and disloyal 'public' servant

unprofessional

When one could hardly blame him as his loyalty has been kind of stretched to the limits really hasn't it. That aside he owes no loyalty to Yingluck, nor does she deserve it. I just wish you had such high standards and expectations for Yingluck and her Government as you do for everyone else.

The problem is that Yingluck is Chair of the NSC so to refuse to report to her is not too professional. Not having reported to the Police to acknowledge to charges of sedition and election obstruction charges probably won't help on the character reference front either. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/nsc-chief-wanted-capo-face-sedition-charge/

Oh and just in case anyone gets the idea that the NSC is "independent"

March 6, 2014

Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra was today accused by officials of the National Security Council of condoning or abetting criminal acts such as lese majeste and secession.

The accusation was made in a statement issued by the NSC officials led by Mr Pornchart Bunnag, NSC deputy secretary-general, which was read at the protest stage of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee at Lumpini park Thursday night.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/nsc-officials-accuse-pm-abetting-criminal-acts/

[WhizBang]

A very fitting slap in the face to Yingluck.

Bravo.

[rametindallas]

It's going to be pretty interesting if the courts try to remove her for moving him given that he's on record for insubordination like this. If they're dumb enough to try, I wonder if they'll be shocked by both her and the world press not acknowledging their rulings anymore.

Nothing Thawit does in the present is admissible as evidence in the defense of Ms. Yingluck's crime. Thaksin tried the same ploy in 2008 when he had his wife give back the publicly owned land she had illegally acquired. The thief who steals money is not absolved of the theft because he brings the money back. Also, I doubt the court will be shocked if she doesn't acknowledge their ruling. They will simply order her to be arrested. The world press doesn't give a hoot one way or the other.

[gangrel]

What a refreshing change.

The consummate professional that just wants to get on with work.

Splendid decision to focus first on the Deep South.

There's hope for Thailand at last.

[Baerboxer]

It's going to be pretty interesting if the courts try to remove her for moving him given that he's on record for insubordination like this. If they're dumb enough to try, I wonder if they'll be shocked by both her and the world press not acknowledging their rulings anymore.

He is the head of an independent agency and Yingluck is care taker PM who might be most probably illegally in office.

He is an insubordinate official who given his insolence to the Prime Minister would not last ten minutes in Beijing,Moscow,Paris,Tokyo,Jakarta,London,Paris or Washington.

He was kicked out of his job for one reason - to allow a Shin to take over the police. Now after fighting through the courts he has is job back, only for the caretaker administration and their quango CAPO to freeze him out if they can,

You think this caretaker PM and her cabinet deserve his respect? He doesn't report to her, her oft reshuffled handpicked cabinet or her unelected fugitive criminal brother.

He would last longer in any of the countries you mention than an inept administration controlled by a fugitive crook.

All of which does not detract from the fact that the supreme administrative court ruled unanamously he was illegally removed and now the judgement of the constitutional court on the caretaker PM's illegal act is awaited.

[Baerboxer]

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what a despicable and disloyal 'public' servant

unprofessional

When one could hardly blame him as his loyalty has been kind of stretched to the limits really hasn't it. That aside he owes no loyalty to Yingluck, nor does she deserve it. I just wish you had such high standards and expectations for Yingluck and her Government as you do for everyone else.

The problem is that Yingluck is Chair of the NSC so to refuse to report to her is not too professional. Not having reported to the Police to acknowledge to charges of sedition and election obstruction charges probably won't help on the character reference front either. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/nsc-chief-wanted-capo-face-sedition-charge/

Oh and just in case anyone gets the idea that the NSC is "independent"

March 6, 2014

Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra was today accused by officials of the National Security Council of condoning or abetting criminal acts such as lese majeste and secession.

The accusation was made in a statement issued by the NSC officials led by Mr Pornchart Bunnag, NSC deputy secretary-general, which was read at the protest stage of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee at Lumpini park Thursday night.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/nsc-officials-accuse-pm-abetting-criminal-acts/

As chair of the NSC, does she attend as often as she did the rice scheme?

Looks like many independent agencies and people of quite differing views have all united with one common aim - hold the Shin Clan accountable for their actions. That's what happens when you piss on everyone else. The get fed up of it.

[issanaus]

General caveat - it was reported in the Thai press so we can rely on accurate reporting and reporters not taking things out of context for headline purposes.

If I remember correctly it was the head of Armed forces that TOLD CT-PM that Thawil would be going to work in the south - much to the delight and amusement of some of the peanut gallery here who compared it to being sent to the Eastern front.

" He said that his main priority task was to review the security policy in the Deep South and he would carry on with the peace talk process with the separatist groups"

This is the 10th anniversary of the shootings at the mosque and security forces are on heighten alert - so given his responsibilities it may not be the best time to be distracted from his task.

Reporting to the CT-PM these days often means reporting to CAPO (due to the very frequent absences from BKK to attend to important matters in the north). If we take the example of the other day with the disclosure that voting may occur in Army Barracks when the EC had stated that he was not going to disclosure security arrangements. The release of that information was either for political mileage or to try and create tensions between certain political parties and the armed forces. Given he sensitive nature of his work disclosure to parties who might (on current performance) not act in the appropriate manner would appear prudent.

Given that he was sent south by the head of the armed forces and the special arrangements that are in place for that zone it would appear entirely appropriate that he reports directly to the head of the armed forces who can then report to his minister - the acting defence minister and CTPM

The other part of his role in the south is the negotiations with the separatist groups - it would not appear that having the appearance of having ethics and being will to stand-up for what he believes right would be detrimental in this task.

[anteater]

" Nevertheless, he said he was a professional and would not have problem working with the government or the Centre for the Administration of Peace and Order but whether he would be allowed to attend the meetings of the cabinet or CAPO or not would depend on the government and CAPO. "

Everybody who has followed this case, particularly since the unanimous Supreme Administrative Court ruling, has found that this man has been frozen out of the Yingluck administration. Yes, they have reinstated him - with regret and a great deal of resistance - but Chalerm made it clear to him that there would be no place for him at CAPO. Remember, this is a man the Yingluck administration summarily dismissed for a Thaksin relative, and spent the next two and half years battling his reinstatement in court. Chalerm's horrible comment to him pretty much summarizes that he has not been asked to participate in either the cabinet or CAPO, though if he were would doubtless distinguish himself as ten times better than any other cabinet minister or ten times better than Chalerm - in his sleep. It needs also to be noted that this man is head of an independent agency. He is not beholden to the prime minister. At the moment, we have a caretaker administration on life-support, and under criminal investigation. Thawil can hold his head up high in comparison.

Has it never occurred to you that this guy Thawil was perhaps a "pain in the butt"? I could be wrong and he could be a really honorable guy, but if a boss is saddled with a "pain in the butt", the boss fires them, right? It happens in every business or organisation I've ever been in. Except in Thailand, apparently, where - if you are a pal of the ammart - you get "special treatment".

It seems obvious to me that if the electorate votes in a government, then that government has the right to govern pretty much as it wishes within the law. That happens in India, America, Germany, all over Africa, in Indonesia, Israel, the Philippines, etc etc. Only in Thailand, it seems, is everything different. Here, the ammart courts, supported by the PDRC, decide what the elected government can do. What a disgraceful version of "democracy".

[JAG]

A very fitting slap in the face to Yingluck.

Bravo.

Really can't imagine why she sacked him in the first place!

Still, I expect this posturing will get him a job amongst "the good people" if cuddly old Suthep gets to form his appointed government.

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[noitom]

What insurgent leader would talk to this Thai guy based on his comments and status?

[englishoak]

Thawil Pliensri said today that he would not report to caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and would not attend the official handover of job from Lt-Gen Paradorn Patthanathabutr.

Nevertheless, he said he was a professional

Hardly

[gangrel]

It seems obvious to me that if the electorate votes in a government, then that government has the right to govern pretty much as it wishes within the law. That happens in India, America, Germany, all over Africa, in Indonesia, Israel, the Philippines, etc etc. Only in Thailand, it seems, is everything different.

"within the law" is the bit where Yingluck's government registers a FAIL. She didn't, so, she is seeing the consequences. Same as happens elsewhere.

[binjalin]

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what a despicable and disloyal 'public' servant

unprofessional

When one could hardly blame him as his loyalty has been kind of stretched to the limits really hasn't it. That aside he owes no loyalty to Yingluck, nor does she deserve it. I just wish you had such high standards and expectations for Yingluck and her Government as you do for everyone else.

indeed and nor was I suggesting he had any loyalty to Yingluck

it is to the PM he owes his loyalty WHOEVER that may be - that is the professional approach and the high road

and, as you well know, I am for anti-corruption, honesty and integrity on ALL sides of the spectrum

I, like many others, feel PTP is the "lesser of two evils" during this time of paradigm shift - this time of ordinary Thais wanting to rid themselves of this feudalism - this does not mean that just about all of us do not support reform - it is urgently needed