Thai 'Red Shirts' warn of civil war if government falls

[MaxLee]

Wednesday, Thursday, Friday ....1, 2, 3...... PTP GONE.

Wednesday ...Yingluck and Cabinet gone.

Thursday ......Yingluck double gone

Friday New Senate with more than 3/5 th majority

= PTP GONE.

The Senate is the only elected body left standing and therefore is in control of Thailand.

PTP must fade away or go to jail

You know perfectly well that the senate is not a fully "elected body" after the 2007 coup constitution. Which is why the Yellows are so fond of it.

That's because the system was so heavily abused by electoral fraud. If you really want to blame someone, try Thaksin.

That's because the election collection coming today has been bought and manipulated by Thaksin ways on advance...

[scorecard]

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I think it will infuriate more then the supporters of Yingluck and Thaksin. There are plenty of "normal" everyday citizens in Thailand that want to vote for their leader. AKA a democracy.

There's also quite big numbers of Thais, from all provinces, all age groups, all professions, all levels of education who know that unless there are serious comprehensive reforms then vote buying and unaffordable populist polices will win the elections again, and keep Thailand buried in last century with no development and just keep corruption at super high levels.

[Mrgk]

I don't understand why the reds waited so long to start protesting in Bangkok. I mean, they waited until Suthep dismantled their government before they decoded to do something about it. So now they are.having a rally on the outskirts of Bangkok, which is going to achieve very little. I wonder if there is something going on behind the scene we're not privy to?

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Snipers.

As his numbers plummetted and his supporters abandoned him, the army then stepped in with 10k troops "to keep peace and order".

If army had not come to Bangkok, a smallish mob could easily have removed Suthep than way the Chiang Mai officials cleared the Interior Ministry. As it was, if they'd done that the army would come to his rescue.

This road has special significance, and has no tall buildings. Hence no snipers like 2010. The down side it the access, it's really difficult getting lots of people onto that site in short space of time. They build up over the evening to a peak at about 9m, and then 10pm - 1am they move off site.

Really, all they want is the photo not the confrontation.

This road has special significance, and has no tall buildings. Hence no snipers like 2010. The down side it the access, it's really difficult getting lots of people onto that site in short space of time.

If the access is so tight, don't you think they would be worried about helicopter gunships? Your analysis has some holes in it.

Oh and it has airforce provided toilet buses. As I said, I cannot explain the significance, either you understand or your don't.

Interesting. The most politically significant lavatories in history?

[Skywalker69]

So Jatuporn is now officially threatening the security of the state by promising a civil war. Isn't it time for the army to step in and protect the state, as they are sworn to do?

Now is the time to revoke big mouth "Jabba" lock him in for good.

[brewsterbudgen]

Tezza you're one of the most contradictive posters here you have frequently used the words majority, how do you come to that conclusion or does the wife tell you as it seems she spoon feeds you what she wants you to hear quite a lot

Now to my next point do you actually have a vote in Thailand ? If not don't speak on any other Thai that's not on your family's behalf as your views are not shared by tens of millions of Thais who WANT to vote according to their civil rights!!!

Stop jumping on peoples posts when your just as guilty !!

To be fair, I don't think English is his first language.

[than]

Thread of civil war is just another gesticulation of a group of people who has lost the sense of reality......

It is not the first one and the last one, remember few week ago "If YL remove from office there were civil war".......

Jatuporn forget some facts : Only politicians and their followers divide the Country......

But The Country remains united under the Highest, Beloved and Revered Institution.

[northernjohn]

So Jatuporn is now officially threatening the security of the state by promising a civil war. Isn't it time for the army to step in and protect the state, as they are sworn to do?

I feel reasonably safe that if it comes to armed opposition that Jatuporn is calling for the army will crush him.

In the mean time what kind of mental health facilities are available here in Thailand. It certainly is time for some one to step in with a net and haul Jatuporn off to one.

Or do like I saw on Asia News in Bali the family just chains him to some thing so he can not leave the room.

[Bkkbound]

It just is not going to happen, just because the police are so corrupt and inept does not mean that law and order cannot be enforced once the decision makers decide to act. Its a lot a bravado but 5 days on, shin no 4 kicked out and the reds are floundering around. The military have a long and successful history of cracking down ruthlessly when required.

All of this was predicted months ago... It has not been good for the country to have dragged this out so long.. The country needs political parties who govern for the good of the majority and nation, not for the scum in the shin clan who have asset stripped and amassed vast personal wealth for all of them, even the kids at the expense of all thais and foreigners for that matter.

[Skywalker69]

many more red shirts than expected - be careful what you wish for

How many were expected?

They promised 1 million. Last time, they promised 500,000. It looks like they might top out around 25-30 thousand.

Plus all the fotoshopped red shirts.

[Thaiisnotrequired]

1.25km is the length of the road from the stage to the park. It's not the full road length, it doesn't cover the east section of this road. The photos do cover the section of road.

length-of-aksa.jpg

I made it 2.6 x 500m minus a bit for the stage, say 50m, = 1.25km.

Hence 1.25km * 25+20 *4 = 225000

Okay, I'll give you credit for your honesty. The map is an accurate portrayal of the road. I'll even give some credit to the UDDers this time. Apparently, they have let the left hand service road remain more or less open--so people can get into their moobahns. They blocked them from their homes last time. But that also means the crowd is not as wide across the road as last time.

I'm wealthy, I'm old, I should be 'elite' or 'democrat', and yet I voted for PT. They have popular policies that spread the wealth, and expand the economy

Being wealthy and old...... but did you grow wise along the path? Spread the wealth my anus.

[northernjohn]

Tezza you're one of the most contradictive posters here you have frequently used the words majority, how do you come to that conclusion or does the wife tell you as it seems she spoon feeds you what she wants you to hear quite a lot

Now to my next point do you actually have a vote in Thailand ? If not don't speak on any other Thai that's not on your family's behalf as your views are not shared by tens of millions of Thais who WANT to vote according to their civil rights!!!

Stop jumping on peoples posts when your just as guilty !!

To be fair, I don't think English is his first language.

Also I don't believe they got ten's of millions in the last vote.

I have yet to see any one other than the PTP red shirts saying there will be no elections.

So far Abhist has come up with a plan that will call for a vote and Suthep is proposing a plan that will come up with a vote.

Just not on the day Thaksin wants them.

I find it highly interesting that Suthep and Abhist both want to reform the government and the PTP red shirts do not want to.

What have they got against it. Are they afraid that they will be unable to function in an honest election and government?

[moe666]

These repeated warnings of dire consequences from the red shirts have a whiff of desperation about them. They are in a corner and seem to know this. They have lost the battle of numbers because their core support is not motivated and seems divided. The momentum and the passion is with the other side. If the army took over tomorrow i doubt there would be much more than a few squeals. Time will tell i suppose.

Yes there supports are not motivated hehehehe no money since july as their rice is setting in government warehouses with no payment. No money no love kind of takes the luster off Yingluck

[binjalin]

If it takes a civil war for the majority of the population to retain their civil rights then so be it.

Having been in a country where there was a military takeover (where I lost relatives) and having lost civilian relatives in a civil war in another SE Asian country I must admit that I am not keen to lose anymore relatives. In both of these SE Asian countries civil rights have not been restored to the level that currently exist in Thailand. So please excuse me for not sharing your enthusiasm.

Having lived in a country where a world war was fought and millions died to protect freedoms so that you and I could travel, live and have freedom let me state that democracy has been FOUGHT for... yet they fight AGAINST it here

go figure...

[wolf5370]

If it takes a civil war for the majority of the population to retain their civil rights then so be it.

The majority of the population do not want a civil war. Just a few nuts who are mostly on Thaksin's payroll.

The majority of the population want their democratic vote, after having it stripped from them.... again... Because they just won't vote in the 'correct' people, d@mn them.

Yes majority of people - that's why so few people turned out for the Feb election is the areas where they were not interrupted or blocked - even in Red areas. It is illegal not to vote here, yet such a low turn out - and how many of them "no votes" no one really knows!

The only thing to draw from this is that mass apathy for politics - and people think there will be even feeling for a civil war! yeah right!

[brewsterbudgen]

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Thread of civil war is just another gesticulation of a group of people who has lost the sense of reality......

It is not the first one and the last one, remember few week ago "If YL remove from office there were civil war".......

Jatuporn forget some facts : Only politicians and their followers divide the Country......

But The Country remains united under the Highest, Beloved and Revered Institution.

But will that last forever?

[rijb]

Thread of civil war is just another gesticulation of a group of people who has lost the sense of reality......

It is not the first one and the last one, remember few week ago "If YL remove from office there were civil war".......

Jatuporn forget some facts : Only politicians and their followers divide the Country......

But The Country remains united under the Highest, Beloved and Revered Institution.

7-Eleven?

Edited May 10, 2014 by rijb

[Skywalker69]

If it takes a civil war for the majority of the population to retain their civil rights then so be it.

Words from a red supporter. Guess you don´t live and work here?

[Skywalker69]

1.25km is the length of the road from the stage to the park. It's not the full road length, it doesn't cover the east section of this road. The photos do cover the section of road.

length-of-aksa.jpg

I made it 2.6 x 500m minus a bit for the stage, say 50m, = 1.25km.

Hence 1.25km * 25+20 *4 = 225000

Okay, I'll give you credit for your honesty. The map is an accurate portrayal of the road. I'll even give some credit to the UDDers this time. Apparently, they have let the left hand service road remain more or less open--so people can get into their moobahns. They blocked them from their homes last time. But that also means the crowd is not as wide across the road as last time.

I'm wealthy, I'm old, I should be 'elite' or 'democrat', and yet I voted for PT. They have popular policies that spread the wealth, and expand the economy

Being wealthy and old...... but did you grow wise along the path? Spread the wealth my anus.

Outch!!

[rabas]

Thread of civil war is just another gesticulation of a group of people who has lost the sense of reality......

It is not the first one and the last one, remember few week ago "If YL remove from office there were civil war".......

Jatuporn forget some facts : Only politicians and their followers divide the Country......

But The Country remains united under the Highest, Beloved and Revered Institution.

You got it! But I think you understand much better that everyone else.

I loved it when "lanna" was going to break away, and after a short while they decided but hey, we too can share that same beloved institution.

[espinoza]

If it takes a civil war for the majority of the population to retain their civil rights then so be it.

The majority of the population do not want a civil war. Just a few nuts who are mostly on Thaksin's payroll.

Funny guy. The majority do not want war, but the facist movement led by the little faci suthep want war, and they will get it sooner than they expect, and more violent than they expect.

[binjalin]

Thread of civil war is just another gesticulation of a group of people who has lost the sense of reality......

It is not the first one and the last one, remember few week ago "If YL remove from office there were civil war".......

Jatuporn forget some facts : Only politicians and their followers divide the Country......

But The Country remains united under the Highest, Beloved and Revered Institution

money?

Edited May 10, 2014 by binjalin

[Skywalker69]

If it takes a civil war for the majority of the population to retain their civil rights then so be it.

The majority of the population do not want a civil war. Just a few nuts who are mostly on Thaksin's payroll.

They tried that in 2010 but it didn`t go to well.

[SABloke]

Wow, last time I was there, was April 5th and it was a low density crowd, that peaked for the evening speeches at 50k.

Yeh, I was at that rally. I was about 700m from the front stage on the left (I'm the one in red ), sadly this also meant I was away and didn't have a computer and internet. I've only had full internet for the last few days, and been on 3G smartphone.

Peak was about 8:30pm-10pm on first day, I estimate about 50k (based on density, it was a 1.25km road, with about 2x25m wide sections, so lets say 20m+20m to allow for a bit for stalls and toilets. Low density crowd, the Bangkokpost and Nation drone photos look like a high density 4/m2 but that was density near the front stage and each of the repeater TV screens, between these it was sparse, so overall go for the low density 1/m2 = 1* 40*1250 = 50k tops.

There were some in the park, and some in the east side of the road, but I'm taking those as 0, well at least small enough not to significantly affect a total.

During the quiet of Sunday afternoon it was sparse, 5k to 10k tops. That group was the people who came from Issan, Chiang Mai and some from the South. They had come far for the whole weekend and were camping in the park. During the night it filled up with Central and Bangkok folk (I ask about 20 people, none were Burmese or Cambodia).

Now it's 6pm and it's already full and far far denser.

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And not 1 per m2, those walkways across the canal are about 1m wide, thats more like 3-4 people/m2.

The overspill areas is in the top where the circle is, and the east side of Aska road. How many do they have in those?

aksa-back.jpg

They've changed the format too, the left side has no stalls now.

1.25km road * (25+20) * 4 people/m2 = 225,000

That picture only goes from the bottom of the first rise, looking back towards Sai 4. Why don't you guys ever show photos of the other 70 percent of the road, on the other side of the rise? Is it empty? Fizzle, fizzle, flop, flop.

1.25km is the length of the road from the stage to the park. It's not the full road length, it doesn't cover the east section of this road. The photos do cover the section of road.

length-of-aksa.jpg

I made it 2.6 x 500m minus a bit for the stage, say 50m, = 1.25km.

Hence 1.25km * 25+20 *4 = 225000

Impressive, albiet inaccurate and manipulated, figures. Your figures are based on 4ppl per sq. meter-this is considered thr extreme high end of standing crowds. Realistically standing crowds usually range from 3 to 3.5 and that is at their most dense areas, never averagef across the entire area. Also, considering that most people would be seated, you could probably at most get 2 - 2.5. Changes your figures quite drastically. I posted a map about the Democracy protests done by a company - different zones had different REAL densities and unless you can produce something along those lines, you should keep your backseat analysis to yourself.

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[sumtingwong]

I hope there will be no civil war. Sadly it sounds like the red-shirts want one, based on the rhetoric of the red-shirts.

[Skywalker69]

Jutaporn might die of lead poisoning, or some such other unfortunate ailment in the forseeable future-

He wont be missed, not even by his mother.

[Mentors]

There is a very large crowd of UDD supporters there even it's raining now.

[issanaus]

If it takes a civil war for the majority of the population to retain their civil rights then so be it.

Having been in a country where there was a military takeover (where I lost relatives) and having lost civilian relatives in a civil war in another SE Asian country I must admit that I am not keen to lose anymore relatives. In both of these SE Asian countries civil rights have not been restored to the level that currently exist in Thailand. So please excuse me for not sharing your enthusiasm.

Having lived in a country where a world war was fought and millions died to protect freedoms so that you and I could travel, live and have freedom let me state that democracy has been FOUGHT for... yet they fight AGAINST it here

go figure...

This is a case where rich men send poor men's sons to fight and die for them to satisfy an insatiable greed for power and money. I don't personally know any Thai person who wants a war. But we do hear rhetoric from the extremists on both sides that is heading Thailand towards that end.

[binjalin]

I hope there will be no civil war. Sadly it sounds like the red-shirts want one, based on the rhetoric of the red-shirts.

you see THIS is the problem - it's the 'red shirts' not the fake monk... Suthep and his thugs... it's those pesky 'red shirts'

you KNOW???... the ones who keep WINNING elections... terribly inconvenient to the yellow, elite ammart who want to keep raking in the cash

[Showbags]

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If it takes a civil war for the majority of the population to retain their civil rights then so be it.

The majority of the population do not want a civil war. Just a few nuts who are mostly on Thaksin's payroll.

Funny guy. The majority do not want war, but the facist movement led by the little faci suthep want war, and they will get it sooner than they expect, and more violent than they expect.

You're not gunna do a Jeffrey Savage are ya ?

[See the bears]

The red shirts are only asking for an election. Not some far-fetched twisting of the laws appointing an undemocratic PM.