Do people really have to answer this? Of course it will. When you want to use unconstitutional means to overthrow an elected government it is going to cause convict.

When you have a democratically elected government that governs UNDEMOCRATICALLY, it will cause conflict.

there never was 1 democratically elected government.

Because they pay the voters,he who pays most ,wins .

Democracy,what a joke !

Thailand needs to become more Democratic and stop following extremists on both sides. I am pretty sure there is a majority of Thais that are starting to be sick and tired of this conflict. An interim prime minister only makes sense if provisional and neutral. The main problem is corruption which extends from the governement, over the police, the army to the courts. Guess it will take time to change, but steps in the right direction have to be taken. Two people shot this morning, a guy stabbed by guards because he moved a traffic cone....this needs to stop.

Stradavarius37, you must really love Thaksin. You seem to give him so much credits. You have various types of citizens with various educational levels and experiences. They can analyze the political matter and make the decisions for themselves.

Excuse me

The majority of Thailand love Thaksin, thats what a vote proves, 1vote 1 person. Seems like the yellows dont like this, and want to keep the majority down, scared they might get more education and wealth.

"1vote 1 person"

That's the way it generally works, unless your a PTP MP voting on a 2.2 trillion baht infrastructure bill.

The last paragraph pretty much sums it up !

An election on july 20 is the way to go!

Stop shutting the people out.Its gone on long enough and Thailand and it's people are now in tis state limbo and the frustration and violence will continue as nobody on either side will except any decision that goes against them.

The Dems won't run in any election, thus there will never be enough seats filled to form government. Thus the election will be voided...again. The Dems have enough support to make this happen, as has been seen. So either there 1) will be an election with the dems running (not likely), 2) an interim PM is put in place, or 3) there is a coup. No much of a choice, is it? T me, a coup at least kicks out both thugs and will let their heads cool for a couple of years. It also slams the lid shut on the cookie jar to stop more wastage of tax payers money.

It doesn't matter if the dems run or not. As long as candidates can be registered in a constituency there will be a seat filled in that constituency. There are something like 50 odd political parties other than the PTP and the dems. Any one of those can go to a constituency in the south , say, put up a candidate, get votes and win.

If the PDRC/dems put forward a Vote No campaign and the Vote No campaign gets more votes than a "real" candidate, a By-Election is called. There is no 20% rule any more as abhisit changed the Organic Law on Elections in 2011, (and strangely wasn't hounded by the CC for doing so ), so now the By-elections are repeated a maximum of three times. Then the candidate with the most votes wins (obviously the No votes, even if they are in the majority, do not qualify in this as far as candidates are concerned) http://asiancorrespondent.com/117295/democrats-boycott-problem/.

The upshot is your projection that if the dems do not participate there will never be enough seats filled to form government under the 95% rule, is a busted flush. They do not hold the key to a successful election.

Of course this is reliant on the EC actually doing their job this time and not suspending candidate registration as they did in the Feb 2 Election

Have I been to a red village lately ? Yes

Have I been to a yellow village lately ? Yes

A real big one called bangkok!

I would say there would be more than a reasonable chance of civil strife.

Stradavarius37, you must really love Thaksin. You seem to give him so much credits. You have various types of citizens with various educational levels and experiences. They can analyze the political matter and make the decisions for themselves.

Excuse me

The majority of Thailand love Thaksin, thats what a vote proves, 1vote 1 person. Seems like the yellows dont like this, and want to keep the majority down, scared they might get more education and wealth.

"1vote 1 person"

That's the way it generally works, unless your a PTP MP voting on a 2.2 trillion baht infrastructure bill.

Ahem, there wasn't a vote on the 2.2 Trillion Baht Infrastructure Bill. It was ruled unconstitutional - part of the checks and balances, remember.

Have I been to a red village lately ? Yes

Have I been to a yellow village lately ? Yes

A real big one called bangkok!

Then please compare or contrast the two based on your vast experiences in both?

Have I been to a red village lately ? Yes

Have I been to a yellow village lately ? Yes

A real big one called bangkok!

Who are you answering ???? let us in on your secret world. use his post OR put the # number then others can follow your drift.

Have I been to a red village lately ? Yes

Have I been to a yellow village lately ? Yes

A real big one called bangkok!

Then please compare or contrast the two based on your vast experiences in both?

Hey Parrot---yellow villages do not exist-they went out with the ark.

non red villages are just normal--no one knows who votes for who.

RED villages are controlled by the village head man, they are called --"this is a red village" any non red there never shows it. they cannot or they would be classed as castoffs.

Stradavarius37, you must really love Thaksin. You seem to give him so much credits. You have various types of citizens with various educational levels and experiences. They can analyze the political matter and make the decisions for themselves.

Excuse me

The majority of Thailand love Thaksin, thats what a vote proves, 1vote 1 person. Seems like the yellows dont like this, and want to keep the majority down, scared they might get more education and wealth.

"1vote 1 person"

That's the way it generally works, unless your a PTP MP voting on a 2.2 trillion baht infrastructure bill.

Ahem, there wasn't a vote on the 2.2 Trillion Baht Infrastructure Bill. It was ruled unconstitutional - part of the checks and balances, remember.

That was a surprise---unconstitutional---from you.???

Stradavarius37, you must really love Thaksin. You seem to give him so much credits. You have various types of citizens with various educational levels and experiences. They can analyze the political matter and make the decisions for themselves.

Excuse me

The majority of Thailand love Thaksin, thats what a vote proves, 1vote 1 person. Seems like the yellows dont like this, and want to keep the majority down, scared they might get more education and wealth.

"1vote 1 person"

That's the way it generally works, unless your a PTP MP voting on a 2.2 trillion baht infrastructure bill.

Ahem, there wasn't a vote on the 2.2 Trillion Baht Infrastructure Bill. It was ruled unconstitutional - part of the checks and balances, remember.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/695123-former-pheu-thai-mp-denies-voting-several-times-on-loan-bill/

Yellows living in denial!

Yellows living in denial!

Who are you answering Parrot ?????

Again there are no yellows, other than REDS all the rest choose any other colour.

My government?

It's not my government or your government it's the thai people government!

And the thai people should have the right to vote for whatever party they chose.Not being told who will govern them by people who crave power by the way of intimidating bullying and blocking people their basic right to vote.

So the yellows claim they have the numbers. That's a good thing!

Now call for an election and all parties put up their policies and go for it!

The only problem I see lately is that the leader of the democrats has been missing in action for a few days now.Not one statement from him on anything.

I just hope he is doing his own planning for Thailands future and gives the people other alternatives to chose from.

Sutep should be made irrelevant and as for the mad monk he has his own plans if sutep fails and who knows what's install then!

"And the thai people should have the right to vote for whatever party they chose.Not being told who will govern them by people who crave power by the way of intimidating bullying and blocking people their basic right to vote."

Been to a Red village lately?

I was in a Red village during the 2011 election. One person there openly supported Abhisit, but there was never any hint of a threat of violence against him. He was just treated like a village idiot by the rest of the locals, who by the way definitely didn't need 500 baht to vote for PTP.

Have I been to a red village lately ? Yes

Have I been to a yellow village lately ? Yes

A real big one called bangkok!

And your point is?

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Another thread morphed in Yellow/dems vs. Reds/PTP thread...

Any occasion is good for attack the other side for all of you extremist posters.

Given the fact some Thai could be more passionate (or motivated) than foreigners living in Thailand (or just like Thailand), no wonder that this country is in such a tense situation and on the brink of a civil war.

Another thread morphed in Yellow/dems vs. Reds/PTP thread...

Any occasion is good for attack the other side for all of you extremist posters.

Given the fact some Thai could be more passionate (or motivated) than foreigners living in Thailand (or just like Thailand), no wonder that this country is in such a tense situation and on the brink of a civil war.

There should be no sides really at this point. Emphasis should be the clearing up of the land fill government-priority.

To me all this yellow red is BS. It is about a democratically elected government, overstepping the norm Big Time, making it undemocratic, so it has to go.

Never mind what colour comes along in the aftermath as long as it is within the law and is transparent. It is easy really.

All this slagging off of government criticism is plain DENIAL. it does not make that poster a Suthep Dems, yellow. BUT the clan of pro gov posters will not admit to anything. It is all everyone other than them that is wrong-- So what is wrong with constructive criticism against lousy governing ???

The opposition of any country is going to use grouse terms to refer to the ruling party,

you claim the Yingluck government 'has broken so many laws' then why was she only charged with 'deriliction of duty' or for transfering a single person to another post, AND THIS with the courts heavely biased against the PT party(as every international source mentions everytime they report on the situation here)

as a matter of fact the Yingluck government never did ANYTHING illegal, they know that there is this constant witchhunt by the courts to sack them with anything the court can make an issue of, so Yingluck in her 2 years was very careful to dot the is and cross the ts, but the courts STILL found some bogus crap to charge her with.

'diabolical governing' whatever

The last paragraph pretty much sums it up !

An election on july 20 is the way to go!

Stop shutting the people out.Its gone on long enough and Thailand and it's people are now in tis state limbo and the frustration and violence will continue as nobody on either side will except any decision that goes against them.

YOUR government should NOT be electable. It has gravely broken so many laws during it's 3 years. and you are advocating elections are the answer---they are but should not include PTP or a large section of them.

There is only 1 side that is guilty of diabolical governing, PTP. all the rest is the result of this. Why not clamp up--or tell the truth.

This post of mine is not a lie. your post is avoiding the cause of the problem as always.

Do people really have to answer this? Of course it will. When you want to use unconstitutional means to overthrow an elected government it is going to cause convict.

When you have a democratically elected government that governs UNDEMOCRATICALLY, it will cause conflict.

When a democtatically elected parliament passes a law in the UK, will the opposition party, if they not agree with it bring the country to the verge of a civil war? No they won't. The same can be said of any European country, then why is it okay in Thailand for people with a hidden political agenda to use the passing of a law to bring the country to its knees? Any political party that have a majority in parliament have the constitutional right to pass laws, people opposing it may demostrate but they may not break the law. Here in is my problem with the PDRC, they had the right to demonstrate, but they don't have the right to break the law and neither do they have the right to prevent people from voting, neither do they have the right to assualt and kill people including the police, neither do they have the right to occupy government buildings. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Do people really have to answer this? Of course it will. When you want to use unconstitutional means to overthrow an elected government it is going to cause convict.

When you have a democratically elected government that governs UNDEMOCRATICALLY, it will cause conflict.

When a democtatically elected parliament passes a law in the UK, will the opposition party, if they not agree with it bring the country to the verge of a civil war? No they won't. The same can be said of any European country, then why is it okay in Thailand for people with a hidden political agenda to use the passing of a law to bring the country to its knees? Any political party that have a majority in parliament have the constitutional right to pass laws, people opposing it may demostrate but they may not break the law. Here in is my problem with the PDRC, they had the right to demonstrate, but they don't have the right to break the law and neither do they have the right to prevent people from voting, neither do they have the right to assualt and kill people including the police, neither do they have the right to occupy government buildings. Two wrongs don't make a right.

NO party in the UK would even dare to try the moves that PTP have made--impossible.

opposition in the UK would be given equal air time on radio and TV.

Question time is a weekly event to highlight any wrongs that a said government would try to pass a bill.

Question time is allowed to enable the said PM to answer ANY points brought up--------Has any of my points ever been conducted in this undemocratic government.

Yingluck has been abroad on most important debates--I wonder why she would miss them--other than being totally out of depth.

Here are your wrongs amongst other things to be yet brought into court. Then according to you they are bent ?? this is the same as being afraid of guilt ??

Pheu Thai wants :

1. They want an election now.

2. They want no reforms before.

3. They want the Democratic party to take part in the election.

4. They want the election to run peacefully and orderly.

5. They want a quorum, so they can do anything they like, because - like they're supporters - they believe that democracy only exists during a seven hour period once every four years, and that once in an administration, they can do whatever they want, without any independent or judicial review whatsoever, and if they encounter any, will do all they can to resist such oversight. Thaksin remains fully in control. The skype connection is back and this time he may even get his amnesty bill through - perhaps with the help of " reforming " the independent agencies and the courts.

That's what Pheu Thai and Thaksin want. But seriously, do they really think that will happen ? If they do, then that means no diversion from the path they are on now - that they are convinced is getting results - having Prompong make daily press conferences where he threatens impeachment to everything that moves. Having CAPO issue " warnings " to the courts and independent agencies, and threats to everyone in the reform movement. Get the DSI to issue more freezing of accounts. Get out Chalerm's paratroopers to descend on the citizens of Bangkok.

But - if Pheu Thai has even a smidgen of doubt that wishes 1 through 5 will ever happen, sit down and talk with the rest of the planet.

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Do people really have to answer this? Of course it will. When you want to use unconstitutional means to overthrow an elected government it is going to cause convict.

Depends on if they clear it with Thaksin first or not.

Your comment is quite ridiculous. His sister has gone now and yet the likes of you keep blaming this family.

You've got the likes of Khun Veerapong Ramangkura, former deputy prime minister , warning the economic effects of this drawnout chaos will be felt for years. You've got the rest of the world looking at Thailand and asking what's wrong with in Thailand when they can't even agree on organising a general election when the rest of the world can?

It is time to get the general election over and done with and from Thailand to get on with business.

Oh yea the UK is just so superior a democracy, aparently they don't think the electoral system here is that bad because they are supporting elections.. what are these 'moves' that the PT 'made' that are just so horrendous? The opposition here IS given airtime, and MOST of the tv stations here 7,3, TNN etc. ARE OWNED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT that is military and big money, so cut the crap that the TV here is so pro-phua thai.. AND they have their own cable stations like ASTV and bluesky, media domination DOES NOT WORK in the age of internet.

is this a new illegal thing that Yingluck did, being abroad during 'debates' i'm surprised the NaCC hasn't charged her with that one..

NO party in the UK would even dare to try the moves that PTP have made--impossible.

opposition in the UK would be given equal air time on radio and TV.

Question time is a weekly event to highlight any wrongs that a said government would try to pass a bill.

Question time is allowed to enable the said PM to answer ANY points brought up--------Has any of my points ever been conducted in this undemocratic government.

Yingluck has been abroad on most important debates--I wonder why she would miss them--other than being totally out of depth.

Here are your wrongs amongst other things to be yet brought into court. Then according to you they are bent ?? this is the same as being afraid of guilt ??

Stradavarius37, you must really love Thaksin. You seem to give him so much credits. You have various types of citizens with various educational levels and experiences. They can analyze the political matter and make the decisions for themselves.

Excuse me

The majority of Thailand love Thaksin, thats what a vote proves, 1vote 1 person. Seems like the yellows dont like this, and want to keep the majority down, scared they might get more education and wealth.

scared they might get more education..hahahahahahaha and wealth...thats trolling at its best...you know absolutley nothing sir..

Gin jag if your so fed up with the the way things are run here then stand for parliament

Same with you scamper the champion of constitutions become a lawyer and take all your facts and figures to the senate speaker insure he would be indebted as to your overwhelming knowledge of said constitution this you're obviously an SME and should be in an advisary role for sure

Do people from Issan love eating frogs?

So do people from Melbourne

Not sure what that means for Australian politics though

The last paragraph pretty much sums it up !

An election on july 20 is the way to go!

Stop shutting the people out.Its gone on long enough and Thailand and it's people are now in tis state limbo and the frustration and violence will continue as nobody on either side will except any decision that goes against them.

YOUR government should NOT be electable. It has gravely broken so many laws during it's 3 years. and you are advocating elections are the answer---they are but should not include PTP or a large section of them.

There is only 1 side that is guilty of diabolical governing, PTP. all the rest is the result of this. Why not clamp up--or tell the truth.

This post of mine is not a lie. your post is avoiding the cause of the problem as always.

The Lord forgiveth Mango Bob,he knoweth not what he say,Amen

My government?

It's not my government or your government it's the thai people government!

And the thai people should have the right to vote for whatever party they chose.Not being told who will govern them by people who crave power by the way of intimidating bullying and blocking people their basic right to vote.

So the yellows claim they have the numbers. That's a good thing!

Now call for an election and all parties put up their policies and go for it!

The only problem I see lately is that the leader of the democrats has been missing in action for a few days now.Not one statement from him on anything.

I just hope he is doing his own planning for Thailands future and gives the people other alternatives to chose from.

Sutep should be made irrelevant and as for the mad monk he has his own plans if sutep fails and who knows what's install then!

Totally agree,the Thai people should be free to vote for whichever party pays them the most money at the ballot box,democracy at it's finest.All other democracies should follow suit then the world would be a better place for following Thailands example.

Yes it will cause strife. No matter what happens there is going to be strife. Thailand is a lawless, corrupt failed state that is sinking further into the crap every day. The Senate as the only functioning arm of the legislative needs to make the call. They can wait until the judiciary rightfully deals to the rest of the Pheau Thai criminals for the rest of their lawlessness but one day the Senate will have to take control. Then if there is strife then the Army needs to filful their role and deal swiftly and harshly to the perpetrators leaders.