Surapong and other ministers will complain against charter court judges

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Surapong and other ministers will complain against charter court judges



BANGKOK: -- Former deputy prime minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul and other ministers who were removed from the office by the ruling of the Constitutional Court will lodge complaints against the nine court judges with the Government Anti-Corruption Commission on Monday.

Mr Surapong, currently advisory chairman of the Centre for the Administration of Peace and Order, said Friday that he agreed with Army Commander-in-Chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha’s warning that martial law might be imposed if the political situation worsens to armed confrontation between the two opposing camps in the conflict.

As far as Capo is concerned, he said Capo had been closely monitoring the political situation and braced for the mass rallies by the People’s Democratic Reform Committee and the United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship during the weekend.

Surapong voiced his opposition to the Senate’s move to push for the appointment of an ad hoc prime minister, claiming that there was no legal basis for such a move. He said that the appointed senators did not truly represent the people and warned that the move might lead to violence.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/surapong-ministers-will-complain-charter-court-judges/


-- Thai PBS 2014-05-16

[bigbamboo]

"The judge was bent"..... the last resort of convicted criminals everywhere.

[chainarong]

Complain, complain , complain , that's all this mob of spivs can do , how about getting off your fat lazy <deleted> and trying to find a peaceful way forward for Thailand, your, what's in it for me attitude stinks.

[WhizBang]

I do not believe that the PTP/UDD/Reds have come up with a single suggestion to try and resolve the issues. All they can say seems to be 'election now', while totally ignoring everything else.

[kevc]

And that's why Thailand can never progress.

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[Mr Yim]

I do not believe that the PTP/UDD/Reds have come up with a single suggestion to try and resolve the issues. All they can say seems to be 'election now', while totally ignoring everything else.

It's called democracy. . . and is much better than what is being advocated by the PDRC. . . . which is? . . . maybe someone could enlighten me

[Siripon]

I do not believe that the PTP/UDD/Reds have come up with a single suggestion to try and resolve the issues. All they can say seems to be 'election now', while totally ignoring everything else.

With their large majority in Parliament they could have begun with land reform,( Yingluck promised re community rights but did nothing), overhauled the education system( instead offered a few tablets), enhance farming production but instead just guaranteed a price, never mind the quality or source of the rice.

Thailand needs long term policies, dumb populist policies that do nothing to improve standards but win votes in the short term are no solution.A national government to oversee and implement reform is perhaps the way forward for the next 2 years.

[rubl]

On Monday?

Begin of this week he said this Friday 16:30 or so. Maybe not all paperwork finished, too busy with being chief CAPO chap? Must be a hectic weekend for poor Surapong (or the Pheu Thai legal team assisting him).

Anyway, will check in again Monday

Edited May 16, 2014 by rubl

[h90]

I do not believe that the PTP/UDD/Reds have come up with a single suggestion to try and resolve the issues. All they can say seems to be 'election now', while totally ignoring everything else.

It's called democracy. . . and is much better than what is being advocated by the PDRC. . . . which is? . . . maybe someone could enlighten me

PDRC: it is to hold fair elections, after a very short time.

[rebelplatoon]

I do not believe that the PTP/UDD/Reds have come up with a single suggestion to try and resolve the issues. All they can say seems to be 'election now', while totally ignoring everything else.

It's called democracy. . . and is much better than what is being advocated by the PDRC. . . . which is? . . . maybe someone could enlighten me

For your betterment and enlightenment.

Change electoral laws. So it is not possible that parties CONVICTED of ELECTORAL FRAUD (PPP, TRT) simply join elections again under another name (PTP) Furthermore to have divisions of seats get closer to the popular vote. Now it is so adjusted that even if the Dems win the popular vote they ll have less seats to show for it. Then make it possible for all political parties (if needed with protection) to canvass everywhere. Make it impossible to use State coffers as a way of buying and forcing people to vote for you (Taksin s famous speech when he said: if you don t vote for me you ll be the last to be allocated budgets). THEN have elections. Sounds like real democracy to me.

Enlightening enough?

[ianf]

I do not believe that the PTP/UDD/Reds have come up with a single suggestion to try and resolve the issues. All they can say seems to be 'election now', while totally ignoring everything else.

Off course. Finding a solution is not in their interests, but an election is. The support for the hardcore reds has fallen dramatically, so much so that there are not enough bodies to organise a civil war. It seems to me that Thaksin has two choices, perhaps both simultaneously: 1. Get a quick election in using the fake democrat propaganda and all the other lies that they've used in the past and hope to win an election; 2. Organise terrorism through creating fear via random bombings, targeting the 'enemy' and so on and, in his usual style, blame it all on others. Abhisit came up with an acceptable compromise, including the fact that he would himself not stand for any election. They did not meet the Democrats to discuss this. They rejected it out of hand. A compromise solution is not in Thaksin's gift. If you read very carefully for the long history of autocracy that Thaksin practices then you can understand how he works. His ideas. He thinks. He controls. Only he has the solution. And that sums up the basic problem that we are all facing - and it affects us all - in Thailand. In saying all of this I think Suthep has served his time and appears to be heading into eccentricity. That compounds the current problem although people I've been speaking to out there in the countryside seem to hold Suthep in much higher esteem than Thaksin and they understand that the root and branch of the problem is Thaksin himself. Until he is gagged and his influence removed there can be no satisfactory solution. As 'Dr' Bruce has made clear: Only the reds have the ultimate answer. He's wrong.

[ianf]

I do not believe that the PTP/UDD/Reds have come up with a single suggestion to try and resolve the issues. All they can say seems to be 'election now', while totally ignoring everything else.

With their large majority in Parliament they could have begun with land reform,( Yingluck promised re community rights but did nothing), overhauled the education system( instead offered a few tablets), enhance farming production but instead just guaranteed a price, never mind the quality or source of the rice.

Thailand needs long term policies, dumb populist policies that do nothing to improve standards but win votes in the short term are no solution.A national government to oversee and implement reform is perhaps the way forward for the next 2 years.

Well said Siriporn. Elsewhere I posted the following about the rice scheme. The rice scheme was a clear attempt at buying the farmers' loyalties. It did nothing for the ecology, good farming practice and ultimately just produced substantial losses for many farmers. They invested heavily in fertilisers for example, in order to increase their yields and thus get even more money from Thaksin's failed scheme. If Thaksin has really cared for the farmers and the poverty in Isaan he would have used that same budget to build irrigation networks all over the north east. The effect of that would to ensure that this huge area which struggles with drought and therefore food production, would have a consistent and reliable source of water. This would have ended the food poverty cycle that is endemic to Isaan. It would have won Thaksin more friends than the failed rice scheme, would have been good for the environment and would solve the food production problems in Isaan. But Thaksin Thinks .... PtP does! He only thinks as far as the end of his nose. Money for him, for his friends and his political supporters. Within the whole of the PTP manifesto there was absolutely nothing that you could have called an intelligent and thought out policy that would benefit the lives of his constituents.

[Mr Yim]

I do not believe that the PTP/UDD/Reds have come up with a single suggestion to try and resolve the issues. All they can say seems to be 'election now', while totally ignoring everything else.

It's called democracy. . . and is much better than what is being advocated by the PDRC. . . . which is? . . . maybe someone could enlighten me

PDRC: it is to hold fair elections, after a very short time.

Sorry I missed that one, would you kindly give me a link?

[Mr Yim]

I do not believe that the PTP/UDD/Reds have come up with a single suggestion to try and resolve the issues. All they can say seems to be 'election now', while totally ignoring everything else.

It's called democracy. . . and is much better than what is being advocated by the PDRC. . . . which is? . . . maybe someone could enlighten me

For your betterment and enlightenment.

Change electoral laws. So it is not possible that parties CONVICTED of ELECTORAL FRAUD (PPP, TRT) simply join elections again under another name (PTP) Furthermore to have divisions of seats get closer to the popular vote. Now it is so adjusted that even if the Dems win the popular vote they ll have less seats to show for it. Then make it possible for all political parties (if needed with protection) to canvass everywhere. Make it impossible to use State coffers as a way of buying and forcing people to vote for you (Taksin s famous speech when he said: if you don t vote for me you ll be the last to be allocated budgets). THEN have elections. Sounds like real democracy to me.

Enlightening enough?

A link? . . . if indeed this is the substance to the electoral reforms, it is simply cherry picking to suit the democrats, doubtless ignoring their vote buying and fraud. To remove a party that represents the people, by reforms made by their unelected opponents, can hardly be desribed as democracy and is destined to fail.

[Scamper]

The man who won't go away is engaging in the theatre of the absurd - the man who was removed from the cabinet still considers himself deputy prime minister - after one or two days musing after the Constitutional Court's ruling - he decided they simply made a mistake - that's all. So he's staying. So there. But his feelings have still been hurt. So he's going after them. ( Can you beat these optics ? ) The Pheu Thai cabinet may have been " formally " removed from office, but they're apparently also zombies with the power to both resist rulings and sue courts. This is the true side of Thaksin, by the way. Thaksin at his most unvarnished. The true face of Thaksin comes through in actions like these. Or Chalerm's. Or Prompong's. Or Jatuporn's.

You know. The intellectuals.

Edited May 16, 2014 by Scamper

[Civil War]

That's OK Surapong my old mate. You lodge away.... The NACC will certainly reject the case citing that the constitutional courts have the power to do what they did within the framework of the constitution unlike you lot who do everything in breech of the constitution.

Also Surapong.... The general did NOT warn of martial law, his words were they would use full military force against the attackers, and that happens to be the red shirts and it would not for a minute surprise me if the army demanded that control of CAPO be handed over to the army so it can be run for its exact purpose 'to keep peace and order'... instead of just being the police wing of the PTP/UDD ...

I would also expect to have an investigation started with the NACC to see exactly what CAPO have been up to over the past 6 months, or what happened to all the budget snatched from the central budget, over 4 Bn baht and rising I believe.

Would be hilarious if it was actually proven that some of that CAPO cash has gone towards funding red shirt rallies...

Now that would really put you and Chalerm and Tarit in the dungeons for a very long time.

[rubl]

It's called democracy. . . and is much better than what is being advocated by the PDRC. . . . which is? . . . maybe someone could enlighten me

PDRC: it is to hold fair elections, after a very short time.

Sorry I missed that one, would you kindly give me a link?

Actually the PDRC has been saying all along to want to help with reforms after which fair elections can be held.

The problem of course is that some don't want reforms. Even now the PDRC is only reluctantly working on a framework for reforms as they do not want to be accused of writing the reforms themselves. They want input from Thais. First a small group from around the country and then larger groups till the reforms have a shape which can be put up for a referendum. Lots of input required.

[Ulic]

While both sides are equally corrupt the constitutional court ruling amounts to nothing less than a judicial coup.

High ranking bureaucrats serve at the pleasure of the president/ prime minister in western countries. This

bureaucrat was not fired but transfered to another position. If this is enough justification to force the Thai Prime Minister

and 8 cabinet ministers to step down so would driving without seat belts and riding a scooter without a helmet.

Is she incompetent, judging by the rice scheme I think so. Is she corrupt maybe but I would like a team of forensic accountants

to follow the money in the rice scheme and charge all that benefited illegally to be charged. It is not against the law

to be incompetent but it is to be corrupt. Incompetent politicians should be voted out of office, corrupt politicians should

be arrested, charged, and if found guilty pay the price. There are certainly enough of them in all the political parties

at every level of government.