'I can take Kiev in two weeks', Vladimir Putin warns NATO leaders

[coma]

Where is the worlds self appointed policeman at this moment in time one must ask?

To afraid to come out to face an equally strong imperialist inspiring nation?

The 'self appointed policeman' knows well and good that he [Putin] is correct with his statement. And there is not one thing the US can do to stop him if he decides to press the attack.

[Credo]

Where is the worlds self appointed policeman at this moment in time one must ask?

To afraid to come out to face an equally strong imperialist inspiring nation?

The 'self appointed policeman' knows well and good that he [Putin] is correct with his statement. And there is not one thing the US can do to stop him if he decides to press the attack.

Well it's good to see the anti-US members out in full swing. Here's a little shocker for you. The US cares very little about the Ukraine. The Ukraine is of little importance and certainly wouldn't be worth losing any sleep over for the US. The EU, is of concern to the US, and the EU is positioned a little closer to Ukraine if there is a major problem. The US will back it's allies in the EU, but will take no lead in the Ukrainian situation.

Putin is fully aware of this and his political posturing is the same as a peacock strutting his stuff.

It is the EU that needs to police their own backyard.

[h90]

It would be utterly silly for Obama to intervene militarily. Ukraine is not a NATO member state because they chose not to be. These are the consequences. Oh well, oh well...

Militarily, Russia is a peon compared to the USA. Yes, Russia is a regional player, but nowhere even close to being a real conventional weapons threat to NATO. Putin may bully and run amok amongst the independent states in the area, but even he is not stupid enough to cross the wrong border. NATO would wipe out Russia's conventional military SWIFTLY and utterly.

Don't ever get that twisted.

But Putin has huge amounts of fighter airplanes that are equal or better than the western. He has excellent air defense. And on the ground Russia is huge....Napoleon tried, Hitler tried and they were way smarter than Obama.

All the west could beat Russia but not swiftly and only with huge looses themself.

Not to mention ICBMs. Russia has enough to kill the whole planet a couple of times.

[coma]

Where is the worlds self appointed policeman at this moment in time one must ask?

To afraid to come out to face an equally strong imperialist inspiring nation?

The 'self appointed policeman' knows well and good that he [Putin] is correct with his statement. And there is not one thing the US can do to stop him if he decides to press the attack.

It is the EU that needs to police their own backyard.

I totally agree but I am afraid they don't have the stomach for such action. Just look at the way Europe turn a blind eye on Nazi aggression. Austria, Czechoslovakia [in particularly] , Memmelland. They were through France and lining up on for a piece of GB before the Europeans acted.

[Credo]

More recently there was the problem with the former Yugoslavia. Hopefully, the EU will stay on top of this. They will have the backing and full support of the US via NATO.

[6NS]

I predicted a couple of years ago during the so called western financial crisis that a large scale war is a reset button - I would not be ruling it out - these things can escalate very quickly to a point of no return

I agree, the US will not allow BRICs model to succeed and break away from IMF/World Bank/US influence. They don't need a war, though, they just need Russia to toe the line and be a good boy.

Your exacly right. What the IMF wants, IMF gets. Obama is and so have all the Presidence for over 100 years been there pupet.

[konying]

It would be utterly silly for Obama to intervene militarily. Ukraine is not a NATO member state because they chose not to be. These are the consequences. Oh well, oh well...

Militarily, Russia is a peon compared to the USA. Yes, Russia is a regional player, but nowhere even close to being a real conventional weapons threat to NATO. Putin may bully and run amok amongst the independent states in the area, but even he is not stupid enough to cross the wrong border. NATO would wipe out Russia's conventional military SWIFTLY and utterly.

Don't ever get that twisted.

Haha, it's such a peon that US got its butt kicked in Vietnam ?

You have no idea how advanced Russian military is. And since you do not, why bother to post or make assumptions based on thin air

[Plutojames88]

Nuclear weapons transcend other types of weaponry .

There is a real possibility this situation might lead to fierce fighting that leads to an unimaginable use of such devices.

Putin is hawkish and no match against America other than his ability to threaten such an attack if America attacks it.

This could become a dangerous situation .

[coma]

Definately not in anybody's interests to go to war with Russia. Especially the USA. The thought of the sheer size of both country's military going against one another is just plain scarey. It will also surely lead to a much broader global conflict.

[lovetotravel]

Ha, send a spearhead force of 4,000 what the hell with they be able to do. I think it is all to do with the Russian Naval Base in Ukraine, why can they not sit down and work out a type of long term lease agreement.

There was a long term lease. Moscow didn't like it, so they invaded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet

In 1997, Russia and Ukraine signed the Partition Treaty, establishing two independent national fleets and dividing armaments and bases between them.^[6] Ukraine also agreed to lease major parts of its new bases to the Russian Black Sea Fleet until 2017. However, the treaty appeared to be far from perfect: permanent tensions on the lease details (including often reported issue of lighthouses) control continued. The Fleet's main base is still situated in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol. In 2009 the Yushchenko Ukrainian government declared that the lease would not be extended and that the fleet would have to leave Sevastopol by 2017.^[7] In 2010 the Russian leasehold was renegotiated with an extension until 2042 and an option for an additional five years until 2047. Following the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, in March 2014,the Russian Federation annexed Crimea.^[8][9][10]

[konying]

Ha, send a spearhead force of 4,000 what the hell with they be able to do. I think it is all to do with the Russian Naval Base in Ukraine, why can they not sit down and work out a type of long term lease agreement.

There was a long term lease. Moscow didn't like it, so they invaded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet

In 1997, Russia and Ukraine signed the Partition Treaty, establishing two independent national fleets and dividing armaments and bases between them.^[6] Ukraine also agreed to lease major parts of its new bases to the Russian Black Sea Fleet until 2017. However, the treaty appeared to be far from perfect: permanent tensions on the lease details (including often reported issue of lighthouses) control continued. The Fleet's main base is still situated in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol. In 2009 the Yushchenko Ukrainian government declared that the lease would not be extended and that the fleet would have to leave Sevastopol by 2017.^[7] In 2010 the Russian leasehold was renegotiated with an extension until 2042 and an option for an additional five years until 2047. Following the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, in March 2014,the Russian Federation annexed Crimea.^[8][9][10]

Nothing to do with Moscow not liking it.

Everything to do with anti Russian government and US involvement

Did you expect Moscow to leave its naval fleet at mercy of Kiev and US? and in hope they would honor the lease?

In case you forgotten, Ukraine has not paid its gas bill, because they no longer like the contract they signed, mind you the same people who signed it are the ones who no longer like it.

[konying]

Definately not in anybody's interests to go to war with Russia. Especially the USA. The thought of the sheer size of both country's military going against one another is just plain scarey. It will also surely lead to a much broader global conflict.

Many do not seem to understand or fail to realize, it does not have to be direct involvement of countries like China.

A simple scenario(off topic but relevant)

North Korea attacks South (encouraged or suggested by Russia), By signed pack, US has to go help

Iran attacks Israel or Saudi or who ever is part of the pack and again US has to go to help

China takes seas from Philippines, and US has to go to help.

ISIS advances in Iraq and Syria and US has to help

Russia decides to take Kiev and US would have to help

1. You have a world war 3

2.US simply incapable physically and financially to fight so many wars at the same time or support it.

Russia, China, Iran are all in better financial positions than US

I really for the life of me do not understand why current US administration is determined to push Russia to the brink of war, after decades of other Presidents working so hard to normalize relations.

Obama is responsible for sour relations with Russia, which did sour after he became President.

May be Obama can not get over the fact that Putin does not respect him , really do not know.

But now more than ever with ISIS, Iran, Libya and Syria, US needs Russian support, instead US seems to be doing everything to really piss off Russia.

[rijb]

The Kremlin is disputing the context of Putin's comments.

Time for some of you 'world experts' to go read a few more headlines.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/putins-alleged-comments-kiev-taken-out-context-kremlin-n193541

[NeverSure]

and this....................

The 3,968 km pipeline linking gas fields in eastern Siberia to China will be the largest fuel network in the world.

Nice. Easy to break into sections with a few smart bombs. How vulnerable can you get?

The way to shut down Russia is economically. Just bust up their oil and gas pipelines and they'll be broke before the echos die down.

Russia ain't shit and I don't know how Putin thinks he's a big shot.

Please don't look just at dollars. Consider technology which neither Russia or China have.

1 flaw with this chart.

An assumption Russia declares the true number, which they never have and never will

And you think the US does??? This is an educated best guess.

[konying]

And you think the US does??? This is an educated best guess.

A guess? by whom?

Whoever made this guess clearly had an agenda.

Russia spending 3% and China spending 7% is rather a moronic guess, if you ask me

[rijb]

Thinking doesn't seem to get in the way of his/her ridiculous posts.

[icare999]

He could take Kiev but when Moscow is vaporised, he can say "I told you". Sounds more like Kim Jung Ill (aka short fat guy) is writing his speeches.

dont be an idiot no way will USA attack Russia over Ukraine and its not a member of Nato. I doubt Russia would do it but its true they could probably take kiev and hold it in 2 weeks but i doubt they want that.

End result will be a pro russian part of Ukriane and west will do nothing but wring its hands and its all USA fault for supporting a vile ukraine right wing fascist government

Time USA was put in its place most of world hates USA and americans and with good reason since all they touch turns to ashes

[icare999]

EUROOE, full embargo on all impirts/ expirts to Russia.

Eurooe, restrict/ freeze all financial transactions to Russia.

Opec, drop prices on oil to europe.

Russia becomes a 3rd world nation overnight.

Russia is relegated to the dark ages.. no cash...no power!!

nonsense Russia is in bed with China and Bric countries and if west tried this they would be ones going down the pan when Russia cuts of gas to europe and dumps USA bonds Iran would get into bed with Russia and Opec would also stay out of it

Russia will get its way and have a pro russian part of Ukraine and nothing the west will do about it so after a lot of fighting talk from USA UK and rest in end west will have to be happy that Russia only takes parts of Ukraine. Its already a done deal and agreed and west will claim it won because it held back Russia from taking all of ukraine

get over it a new world order is fast coming and china could destroy USA at a stroke if it dumped its USA bonds. OF course they would loose a lot of money but soon they wont care because they have been buying up all gold they can as fast as they can as have Russians and her probable allies.

AS always USa interferes and creates a huge mess and caused all this in first place by trying to put a pro western government in Ukraine via a coup in all but name So greater record USA in causing deaths mayhem and huge suffering around the world

Iraq

Afganistan

Libya

Syria

numerous small states run by vile dictators put into power by USA

And never learn now lets <deleted> up Ukraine

[konying]

EUROOE, full embargo on all impirts/ expirts to Russia.

Eurooe, restrict/ freeze all financial transactions to Russia.

Opec, drop prices on oil to europe.

Russia becomes a 3rd world nation overnight.

Russia is relegated to the dark ages.. no cash...no power!!

nonsense Russia is in bed with China and Bric countries and if west tried this they would be ones going down the pan when Russia cuts of gas to europe and dumps USA bonds Iran would get into bed with Russia and Opec would also stay out of it

Russia will get its way and have a pro russian part of Ukraine and nothing the west will do about it so after a lot of fighting talk from USA UK and rest in end west will have to be happy that Russia only takes parts of Ukraine. Its already a done deal and agreed and west will claim it won because it held back Russia from taking all of ukraine

get over it a new world order is fast coming and china could destroy USA at a stroke if it dumped its USA bonds. OF course they would loose a lot of money but soon they wont care because they have been buying up all gold they can as fast as they can as have Russians and her probable allies.

AS always USa interferes and creates a huge mess and caused all this in first place by trying to put a pro western government in Ukraine via a coup in all but name So greater record USA in causing deaths mayhem and huge suffering around the world

Iraq

Afganistan

Libya

Syria

numerous small states run by vile dictators put into power by USA

And never learn now lets <deleted> up Ukraine

You are spot on.

India has already started to export milk products to Russia and rearranged its productions lines for Russian market

Brazil is in line to export meats

[harryfrompattaya]

Where is the worlds self appointed policeman at this moment in time one must ask?

Don't expect any white knight to save Ukraine with Obama in charge.

Now The EU and the peace nicks need America

I as a America say do it yourself leave America alone Too Bad

[rijb]

Did you guys get your version of 'a new world order' from watching the Transformers?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/henry-kissinger-on-the-assembly-of-a-new-world-order-1409328075

[icare999]

Chancellor Kohl of (Western) Germany said after the merge with DDR: never fight about what you can buy. A lot cheaper.

Only... you have to be willing to pay the price, in this case: stop all business with Russia ( and Ukraine) till a settlement is agreed and followed up all can live with.

As a reporter at British TV said: in the 20th century we fought with tanks, in the 21st we fight with banks.

Some ideas of the economic strength according International Monetary Fund (2013)^{[13] GDP (Millions of US$)}

EU + USA + Canada + Australia = US$ 37.500 Billion versus Russia US$ 2.118 so 5,6% of the "opposition".

I know.. in fact you have to compare "purchasing power", but still... when the "WEST" really wants, they can strangle Russia, maybe not in 14 days, but in 14 weeks, with Russia needing 14 decades to recover.

^{European Union[n 1]17,371,618[16]1United States16,799,7002China9,181,377[n 2]3Japan4,901,5324Germany3,635,959CIS[n 3]2,808,844[16]5France2,737,3616United Kingdom2,535,7617Brazil2,242,8548Russia2,118,006[n 4]9Italy2,071,955ASEAN[n 5]2,012,447[16]10India1,870,65111Canada1,825,09612Australia1,505,277}

what a load of BS your lumping rest of world all with USA against Russia when most of countries you mention would at best be neutral and in case of many probably actively support Russia at least financially

Its also almost certain most of europe would not go along since they need Russian Gas and while they would pretend to would not do anything UK would also cave in and not support as they did with Syria and if you try and bully Russia you will be in for a huge hiding. Anyway areas in contention are mostly russian speaking and most probably want like Crimea to be allied to Russia.

Leave well alone Russia is not some tin pot country you can bully and trying to do so will only result in making it worse you'll see

[Publicus]

I predicted a couple of years ago during the so called western financial crisis that a large scale war is a reset button - I would not be ruling it out - these things can escalate very quickly to a point of no return

I agree, the US will not allow BRICs model to succeed and break away from IMF/World Bank/US influence. They don't need a war, though, they just need Russia to toe the line and be a good boy.

I don't think the Chinese want to break away. From what I know of them they will want to replace. They will use Russia as a diversion whilst they foster India for numbers and Brazil for materials/resources. Just good business. Why fight with your customer while they still have something that you can get.

There are now 75 other nations who have expressed interest in joining BRICS. All of them apparently are willing to dump their privately owned central banks and thus the IMF to join the BRICS umbrella. It is indeed a bold move and I have many doubts as to its success. So much of the world has evolved dependent on the current banking model that suggests change is going to be a very bumpy ride. I don't see why the new BRICS would not get a cut from yearly income of the member central banks just as the IMF does now. The difference is supposed to be that the banks will be nationalized and shareholders will not pull the strings as is currently the case with the IMF.

It is anticipated that the new World Bank will be located in Shanghai.

I expect the 5 primary countries plan a gold backed currency and will likely let the 75 member countries in for a portion of their gold likely based up on their GDP much as the IMF did in the 40s. The IMF currently has a gold reserve which is the 3rd largest in the world if you believe the US gold is actually in the vaults at Fort Knox. Fort Knox gold has not been inventoried since the 50's.

This undertaking is so huge, Putin has no time to care about the Ukraine. Problems in Ukraine may in fact be designed to sink the BRICS plan.

[jomcondo]

Yet more EU & US meddling gone wrong

Iraq

Libya

Syria

they sure miscalculated when they helped overthrow Yanukovych.

[rijb]

Try again... Yanukovych's Fall: The Power of Ukraine's Billionaires

[Bwanatickey]

The Russian and Ukrainian people only want one thing, to improve their standard of living, and to have an easier life, under the Tsars the ordinary people where dirt poor, under Communism they fared a lot better but the poor still stayed poor.

Now the rich Russians have the money, Oligharchs, and these rich do not share their wealth.

Time for another revolution, to bring in the English model of a welfare state.

We can teach them socialism.

Give the Ukraine back to it,s mother country.

[Publicus]

Where is the worlds self appointed policeman at this moment in time one must ask?

To afraid to come out to face an equally strong imperialist inspiring nation?

The 'self appointed policeman' knows well and good that he [Putin] is correct with his statement. And there is not one thing the US can do to stop him if he decides to press the attack.

[lovetotravel]

EUROOE, full embargo on all impirts/ expirts to Russia.

Eurooe, restrict/ freeze all financial transactions to Russia.

Opec, drop prices on oil to europe.

Russia becomes a 3rd world nation overnight.

Russia is relegated to the dark ages.. no cash...no power!!

nonsense Russia is in bed with China and Bric countries and if west tried this they would be ones going down the pan when Russia cuts of gas to europe and dumps USA bonds Iran would get into bed with Russia and Opec would also stay out of it

Russia will get its way and have a pro russian part of Ukraine and nothing the west will do about it so after a lot of fighting talk from USA UK and rest in end west will have to be happy that Russia only takes parts of Ukraine. Its already a done deal and agreed and west will claim it won because it held back Russia from taking all of ukraine

get over it a new world order is fast coming and china could destroy USA at a stroke if it dumped its USA bonds. OF course they would loose a lot of money but soon they wont care because they have been buying up all gold they can as fast as they can as have Russians and her probable allies.

AS always USa interferes and creates a huge mess and caused all this in first place by trying to put a pro western government in Ukraine via a coup in all but name So greater record USA in causing deaths mayhem and huge suffering around the world

Iraq

Afganistan

Libya

Syria

numerous small states run by vile dictators put into power by USA

And never learn now lets <deleted> up Ukraine

There isn't enough gold in the world for it to become a standard again. Impossible. There isn't enough trust in the Ruble nor Yuan for their currencies to become a world standard.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2010/11/19/how-many-olympic-sized-swimming-pools-can-we-fill-with-billionaire-gold/

http://www.futuresmag.com/2011/08/31/top-10-largest-gold-reserves-by-country

Far and away the United States has more gold in its reserves than any other country. In fact, the United States holds nearly 30% of the 27,372.6 tonnes of gold in all sovereign reserves. Although Fort Knox is the iconic location of U.S. gold, more gold actually is stored in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York's underground vault, although not all of it belongs to the U.S. government. At $1,700 an ounce, the U.S. gold reserve is worth approximately $487 billion.

[umbanda]

EUROOE, full embargo on all impirts/ expirts to Russia.

Eurooe, restrict/ freeze all financial transactions to Russia.

Opec, drop prices on oil to europe.

Russia becomes a 3rd world nation overnight.

Russia is relegated to the dark ages.. no cash...no power!!

nonsense Russia is in bed with China and Bric countries and if west tried this they would be ones going down the pan when Russia cuts of gas to europe and dumps USA bonds Iran would get into bed with Russia and Opec would also stay out of it

Russia will get its way and have a pro russian part of Ukraine and nothing the west will do about it so after a lot of fighting talk from USA UK and rest in end west will have to be happy that Russia only takes parts of Ukraine. Its already a done deal and agreed and west will claim it won because it held back Russia from taking all of ukraine

get over it a new world order is fast coming and china could destroy USA at a stroke if it dumped its USA bonds. OF course they would loose a lot of money but soon they wont care because they have been buying up all gold they can as fast as they can as have Russians and her probable allies.

AS always USa interferes and creates a huge mess and caused all this in first place by trying to put a pro western government in Ukraine via a coup in all but name So greater record USA in causing deaths mayhem and huge suffering around the world

Iraq

Afganistan

Libya

Syria

numerous small states run by vile dictators put into power by USA

And never learn now lets <deleted> up Ukraine

You are spot on.

India has already started to export milk products to Russia and rearranged its productions lines for Russian market

Brazil is in line to export meats

And...Brazil have tons of gold and uranium that is waiting for the right buyer.....and oil?...now... most for it own use..but..every world's oil company, specially in Asia, starting with the name PETRO..... is 50% Brazilian. Brazil is the biigest exporter of soja, and one of the biggest in sugar, coffee, orange, raw iron, cotton, meats, rubber, rice, the list is looonggg. The US is losing all its Latin connections and it is very nervous about...Looks like soon will lose its Asian connections too.....It is have a BIG Army created by the legion of unemployed youth, and the Govenment is under control of oil corporation, weapons industries, and Israel....The perfect recipe for a war in progress....just waiting for another Clinton in power.

Obama will retire in Chiang Mai....if he can qualify....No WP..pleeease.

[jpinx]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/02/putin-russian-forces-could-conquer-ukraine-capital-kiev-fortnight

His 2 weeks seem to have started