webfact Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Court Acquits Redshirts Accused Of Torching Shopping MallBy Khaosod EnglishBANGKOK — Two Redshirt demonstrators accused of burning down a shopping mall in Bangkok during the 2010 unrest were acquitted by a Court of Appeals this morning.Saichol Paebua and Pinij Channarong were charged with arson and violation of an Emergency Decree for allegedly torching the Central World shopping mall on 19 May, the final day of the mass Redshirt protests in Bangkok in 2010.A Court of Appeals acquitted the pair of the arson charges this morning, affirming the previous court verdict."None of the witnesses presented by the prosecutor actually saw the defendants at the scene when the arson took place," Winyat Chartmontri, the lawyer who represented Mr. Saichol and Mr. Pinij, said after the ruling. "The prosecution witnesses' testimony was not sufficient."However, Mr. Saichol and Mr. Pinij were found guilty of violating the Emergency Decree, which banned public protests in the capital city, for participating in the demonstration near Central World.The pair was sentenced to nine months in prison, but the court ruled that they are longer required to serve the sentence as they have already spent time in prison awaiting trial.Mr. Saichol and Mr. Pinij, who were 26 and 28 on the day of the incident, were imprisoned between May 2010 and March 2013, when a lower court found them not guilty. Despite a lack of new evidence or testimonies, the prosecutor filed an appeal three months after the defendants walked free."I am so happy that the charges against me are dropped,” Mr. Pinij said tearfully as he exited the court this morning. “I would like to thank the court for giving me mercy and justice.”The Office of Attorney General has the right to contest today's verdict, but the prosecutor must secure consent from a judge in the Court of Appeals to proceed with the appeal, said Mr. Winyat, the pair’s lawyer.The court also dismissed arson charges against two other defendants who were accused of torching the shopping mall alongside Mr. Saichol and Mr. Pinij.Central World and dozens of other buildings were targeted by rioters on 19 May 2010 as the military moved in and cracked down on the anti-government Redshirt protesters who had been occupying the financial district of Bangkok for several months.For many Bangkokians, the arson attack on Central World, one of the largest shopping malls in Bangkok, became a defining moment of the political unrest that had gripped the capital city for months.Critics of the Redshirt movement, such as the Yellowshirts and the Democrat Party, have frequently accused Redshirt leaders of engineering the arson attack and used the incident to paint Redshirt protesters as "terrorists."More than 90 people, mostly civilians, were killed in clashes between demonstrators and security forces in 2010.Source: http://en.khaosod.co.th/detail.php?newsid=1409812341 -- Khaosod English 2014-09-04 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chotthee Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 "None of the witnesses presented by the prosecutor actually saw the defendants at the scene when the arson took place," Same same in rape case. No 4 witnesses means it did not happen. Did Thaksin/Yingluck rob Thailand? No too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tatsujin Posted September 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2014 Wow, another biased (against Thaksin) Court decision . . . the pro-Thaksin supporters must be up in arms! Oh, wait . . . 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NongKhaiKid Posted September 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2014 Spontaneous Combustion ? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Bob Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tbthailand Posted September 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2014 Wow, another biased (against Thaksin) Court decision . . . the pro-Thaksin supporters must be up in arms! Oh, wait . . . you might have missed the part about the defendants spending nearly 3 years in prison and having their acquittal appealed by the prosecution. the system is rigged. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 what I will never understand in Thailand is how the prosecution can appeal an acquittal. that has to be the most backwards idea in any court system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 what I will never understand in Thailand is how the prosecution can appeal an acquittal. that has to be the most backwards idea in any court system. It does exist elsewhere under certain circumstances. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) what I will never understand in Thailand is how the prosecution can appeal an acquittal. that has to be the most backwards idea in any court system. It does exist elsewhere under certain circumstances. that's really messed up. btw, just curious, but where else does that happen. In the US, if there is a mis-trial, then you can stand trial 2 times, but (1) that is usually a mistrial to the advantage of the defendant and (2) a mistrial is not an acquittal. Otherwise I can't think of any example. Edited September 4, 2014 by tbthailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Boxclever Posted September 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2014 Excellent verdict! The whole world knows that the torching of Bangkok shopping malls was carried out by yellow shirt thugs and made to look like it was done by the elderly peaceful protesters demonstrating for democracy! Maybe there is hope for equal justice yet 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 96tehtarp Posted September 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2014 Wow, another biased (against Thaksin) Court decision . . . the pro-Thaksin supporters must be up in arms! Oh, wait . . . you might have missed the part about the defendants spending nearly 3 years in prison and having their acquittal appealed by the prosecution. Three years in prison and a prosecutor determined to appeal the case based on nothing, not even witnesses. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Mr. Saichol and Mr. Pini... were imprisoned between May 2010 and March 2013, when a lower court found them not guilty Almost three years locked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zig Posted September 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2014 If 'none of the witnesses saw the defendants at the scene', then I wonder on what grounds they were in jail for nearly three years... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 what I will never understand in Thailand is how the prosecution can appeal an acquittal. that has to be the most backwards idea in any court system. It does exist elsewhere under certain circumstances. that's really messed up. btw, just curious, but where else does that happen. In the US, if there is a mis-trial, then you can stand trial 2 times, but (1) that is usually a mistrial to the advantage of the defendant and (2) a mistrial is not an acquittal. Otherwise I can't think of any example. Just a minor example but i was part of an appeal against a magistrate in Hong Kong who refused to convict a shoplifter despite her Guilty plea. He regarded it as so minor that he would not have her future compromised by a conviction. He was ruled wrong and had to convict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted September 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2014 Excellent verdict! The whole world knows that the torching of Bangkok shopping malls was carried out by yellow shirt thugs and made to look like it was done by the elderly peaceful protesters demonstrating for democracy! Maybe there is hope for equal justice yet You must be living in another world then the rest of us. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NongKhaiKid Posted September 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2014 Jatuporn - if everybody brings half a litre of gasoline we will leave Bkk in flames. then he become a govt mnister 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post djjamie Posted September 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2014 January 27, Natthawut Saikua, a red leader, spoke to the red crowd at Khao Soi Dao, Chanthaburi. He said: "If they seize power, we'll start fires throughout the whole country. Burn them all, my fellow friends and brothers. I will assume the sole responsibility. If they want to find fault with someone, come and get me. If you seize power, just burn it." January 29, Arisman Pongruengrong, another hardcore red leader, told a red rally: "We'll have an appointment next time. If they are going to crack down on us, we don't need to prepare anything much. Just bring along your cups or bottles, which you can fill up with at least one litre of gasoline. If one million of us come to Bangkok, we'll have one million litres of gasoline. I can assure you that Bangkok will turn into a sea of fire." Or maybe it was Jeff Savage that did it? Unless of course it is a DEM conspiracy and they planted this red shirt fanatic in with the terrorists? Red shirt terrorist fanatics = muppets. I pity Boxclever the most for the post he made. I suspect he thinks the water rose to engulf the Titanic too. Of course I will not throw sh@t at the courts or burn effigies of the judges because I don't agree with the decision. I will accept it and move on. That is what democratic people do you know…. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Spontaneous Combustion ? With a lot of video on YT where you saw reds mob torch Central, I'm not certain for the Spontaneous Combustion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Wow, another biased (against Thaksin) Court decision . . . the pro-Thaksin supporters must be up in arms! Oh, wait . . . you might have missed the part about the defendants spending nearly 3 years in prison and having their acquittal appealed by the prosecution. the system is rigged. Thanks, but I didn't miss anything . . . however I fear you've missed the humor in what I posted . . . mai pen lai . . . if the Courts WERE biased against Thaksin supporters (as has been complained about here long and loud), they wouldn't have been acquitted at all . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwyn Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 wow.. 3 years in prison for not committing a crime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fab5BKK Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Well, well... where did I put my lighter? and so on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeycountry Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 All over Thailand monkeys live in cages all their life for doing nothing, so in this case they should be happy they were only caged for 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estrada Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 The insurance underwriters have a pretty good idea who did it, but we can't say. Other than to say that the owners are pretty pleased with their refurbished shopping mall courtesy of the insurance companies. However, if the guilty verdict had been upheld then the insurance companies would not have had to pay out as the fire would then be deemed to be due to riot for which cover is excluded. We do not think the fire was started by the rioters and the rioters also did not turn off the fire hydrants outside not long before the fire started. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocopops Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 "None of the witnesses presented by the prosecutor actually saw the defendants at the scene when the arson took place," Same same in rape case. No 4 witnesses means it did not happen. Did Thaksin/Yingluck rob Thailand? No too. A better analogy: The rapist is identified by the victim as a man with a knob. The authorities proceed to arrest the first person they find who meets the description. Three years later, after the moral panic has died down, a court decides a higher level of certainty is required for conviction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 ....which was it...justice.or mercy......??? ...wasn't the place that was burned down....humongous.....??? ...for some reason....not important......??? ...puzzling.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 This verdict didn't say that red shirts didn't burn down Central World. It just said that there wasn't enough evidence to convict these two of doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 The insurance underwriters have a pretty good idea who did it, but we can't say. Other than to say that the owners are pretty pleased with their refurbished shopping mall courtesy of the insurance companies. However, if the guilty verdict had been upheld then the insurance companies would not have had to pay out as the fire would then be deemed to be due to riot for which cover is excluded. We do not think the fire was started by the rioters and the rioters also did not turn off the fire hydrants outside not long before the fire started. Right. The insurance companies paid out for the fire knowing it was deliberately lit by the owners ??????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Bob Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> wow.. 3 years in prison for not committing a crime? But they were Red Shirts so in the mind of many TV members they had to be guilty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwyn Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> wow.. 3 years in prison for not committing a crime? But they were Red Shirts so in the mind of many TV members they had to be guilty In the minds of most of members, they still are guilty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Excellent verdict! The whole world knows that the torching of Bangkok shopping malls was carried out by yellow shirt thugs and made to look like it was done by the elderly peaceful protesters demonstrating for democracy! Maybe there is hope for equal justice yet Well it might be a correct verdict, but yellow shirts? I don't think they would be the next in line for possible suspects. Maybe I missed something about Central World burning, but it isn't an easy building to torch and not just any to, dick or harry can splash around some gas and throw a match on it. No matter red or yellow shirt color. The only other shirt color that had the ability and access to the site has already blamed the red shirts. I'm open to more information. For example, does anyone have a list of arson sites after the military assault and a cross-reference to the owner? That would be interesting to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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