Prayut will not commit to poll date

[Robespiere]

until the shinawati cancer and red shirt demand are fully out of picture i pray no election even if thats 5 + years. Id prefer to live under a benign military dictatorship anyway than crap we've had from Taksin and his red shirts for last decade

You spelt malignant wrong!

[icare999]

Delaying the promised election carries a lot of perils internally and externally. Pressure from inside can spill over into unchartered consequences from civilians and the military. External pressure like sanctions and investment pulling out will hurt the economy. I doubt the General will like history to remember him as a villain.

how naive can you be you really believe outside world will maker any difference but i guess you also believe pigs can fly

[icare999]

until the shinawati cancer and red shirt demand are fully out of picture i pray no election even if thats 5 + years. Id prefer to live under a benign military dictatorship anyway than crap we've had from Taksin and his red shirts for last decade

You spelt malignant wrong!

wonderful english was never my my best subject and on top im badly dyslexic ?? is that a serious comment

[BoristheBlade]

maybe too late, some feel he already is

Delaying the promised election carries a lot of perils internally and externally. Pressure from inside can spill over into unchartered consequences from civilians and the military. External pressure like sanctions and investment pulling out will hurt the economy. I doubt the General will like history to remember him as a villain.

[icare999]

until the shinawati cancer and red shirt demand are fully out of picture i pray no election even if thats 5 + years. Id prefer to live under a benign military dictatorship anyway than crap we've had from Taksin and his red shirts for last decade

You spelt malignant wrong!

sorry as i said english is not my best subject and so i looked up malignant but i guess instead of plain honest speaking your hinting that Shin evil nonsense is incurable if so i live in hope and even malignant cancers which i have had can be cured. I assume you mean i should have said the malignant dance of shinawatis and not referring to benign or are you another piss taker

[Robespiere]

until the shinawati cancer and red shirt demand are fully out of picture i pray no election even if thats 5 + years. Id prefer to live under a benign military dictatorship anyway than crap we've had from Taksin and his red shirts for last decade

You spelt malignant wrong!

sorry as i said english is not my best subject and so i looked up malignant but i guess instead of plain honest speaking your hinting that Shin evil nonsense is incurable if so i live in hope and even malignant cancers which i have had can be cured. I assume you mean i should have said the malignant dance of shinawatis and not referring to benign or are you another piss taker

malignant military dictatorship

[citizen33]

I remember 2010, and especially that Prayut wasn't the army head at that time.

Prayuth served as a Deputy Commander in Chief of the Royal Thai Army from 2009 to September 2010, when he became C-in-C. He had a reputation as a hard-liner and is said to have supported the crackdown.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/thai-king-appoints-hardliner-as-next-army-chief/article609395.ece

Edited October 16, 2014 by citizen33

[rubl]

Is it still trying to pass off the line "to implement reforms against corruption," despite the first few months of his tenure being rocked by corruption scandals? (not least the fact the NLA and his own brother all have inexplicable vast wealth)

Good to see above even the pro coup types finally have worked out what it`s all been about. We got there in the end (apart from Djjamie but I don`t think hes playing with a full deck of cards)

Oh come on, inexplicable wealth. They declared their assets and no one put forward a complaint, just like in previous parliaments with some very rich people. The rocking by corruption scandals seems mostly from scams which started before the NCPO took over. Blame he PM for not sacking enough from the government bureaucratic top layers.

So, with obstruction by politicians and protesters of a few colours the PM doesn't feel obliged to commit to a certain date. Somehow that makes sense. He probably only does it to annoy TVF posters.

[heybruce]

I have a gut feeling they are delaying the election until something else rather important happens in Thai history and then anything could happen including civil war

Exactly right. That's why they staged the coup, they wanted to have the right sort of government (right by their standards) to run things during this time.

Edited October 16, 2014 by heybruce

[Mr Yim]

Come on guys, corruption is a lame excuse for the coup, most know the reason and there will be no election until after everything is done and dusted.

Edited October 16, 2014 by Mr Yim

[fab4]

Is it still trying to pass off the line "to implement reforms against corruption," despite the first few months of his tenure being rocked by corruption scandals? (not least the fact the NLA and his own brother all have inexplicable vast wealth)

Good to see above even the pro coup types finally have worked out what it`s all been about. We got there in the end (apart from Djjamie but I don`t think hes playing with a full deck of cards)

Oh come on, inexplicable wealth. They declared their assets and no one put forward a complaint, just like in previous parliaments with some very rich people. The rocking by corruption scandals seems mostly from scams which started before the NCPO took over. Blame he PM for not sacking enough from the government bureaucratic top layers.

So, with obstruction by politicians and protesters of a few colours the PM doesn't feel obliged to commit to a certain date. Somehow that makes sense. He probably only does it to annoy TVF posters.

So, with obstruction by politicians and protesters of a few colours the PM doesn't feel obliged to commit to a certain date. Somehow that makes sense.

Would you like to explain just how your statement above makes sense,rubl? What obstruction from politicians and protesters of a few colours is stopping him from his roadmap to "democracy"?

He has a handpicked "government" aka the NLA that votes unanimously for everything he puts forward, he has a handpicked NRC that is coming up with "reforms" that will remove any chance of opposition (well maybe they will one decade, all we've heard so far is talk) an interim constitution that gives the junta absolute power, and a handpicked group of 250 sycophants that will write the new constitution that will ensure that power is concentrated in the "right" hands.

I'm sorry, rubl, but I don't see much wriggle room for obstructing the juntas march to "democracy", perhaps you can (re)educate me?

[englishoak]

Come on guys, corruption is a lame excuse for the coup, most know the reason and there will be no election until after everything is done and dusted.

100% spot on

[ThailandNoob]

It wouldn't surprise me if an election is not held for three or four years. This was well planned out in advance.

Definitely.

The Reds will not sit quietly for that long.

When they do take to the streets, what can Prayuth do? Start shooting?

The outcome of the situation is inevitable, the weight of human history is clearly on one side here.

Slowly, slowly...

He has already shown himself willing to start shooting (remember 2010?). Yes the weight of history is on one side, but in the medium term I fear civil war.

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I remember 2010, and especially that Prayut wasn't the army head at that time.

I also remember that while Prayuth was not army head, he was in charge of the crackdown.

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[Thanet]

Dictators and elections don't mix, unless there's nobody else left to vote for.

[rubl]

Is it still trying to pass off the line "to implement reforms against corruption," despite the first few months of his tenure being rocked by corruption scandals? (not least the fact the NLA and his own brother all have inexplicable vast wealth)

Good to see above even the pro coup types finally have worked out what it`s all been about. We got there in the end (apart from Djjamie but I don`t think hes playing with a full deck of cards)

Oh come on, inexplicable wealth. They declared their assets and no one put forward a complaint, just like in previous parliaments with some very rich people. The rocking by corruption scandals seems mostly from scams which started before the NCPO took over. Blame he PM for not sacking enough from the government bureaucratic top layers.

So, with obstruction by politicians and protesters of a few colours the PM doesn't feel obliged to commit to a certain date. Somehow that makes sense. He probably only does it to annoy TVF posters.

So, with obstruction by politicians and protesters of a few colours the PM doesn't feel obliged to commit to a certain date. Somehow that makes sense.

Would you like to explain just how your statement above makes sense,rubl? What obstruction from politicians and protesters of a few colours is stopping him from his roadmap to "democracy"?

He has a handpicked "government" aka the NLA that votes unanimously for everything he puts forward, he has a handpicked NRC that is coming up with "reforms" that will remove any chance of opposition (well maybe they will one decade, all we've heard so far is talk) an interim constitution that gives the junta absolute power, and a handpicked group of 250 sycophants that will write the new constitution that will ensure that power is concentrated in the "right" hands.

I'm sorry, rubl, but I don't see much wriggle room for obstructing the juntas march to "democracy", perhaps you can (re)educate me?

I also see at least Jatuporn saying he has told his red-shirts and Pheu Thai people to not co-operate. As a variant on "better dead than red" I guess. So the NRC will have problems getting all the input they need to ensure they can formulate reforms most Thai could accept. Consequently with work not completed PM Prayut cannot commit to a date. Maybe he doesn't want to get reforms which a part of the population didn't get the chance to give input on ?

[rubl]

Dictators and elections don't mix, unless there's nobody else left to vote for.

Somehow its mostly dictators who have people organise elections and vote before stepping down. That's at least three months of overlap

[Thanet]

So, with obstruction by politicians and protesters of a few colours the PM doesn't feel obliged to commit to a certain date. Somehow that makes sense.

Would you like to explain just how your statement above makes sense,rubl? What obstruction from politicians and protesters of a few colours is stopping him from his roadmap to "democracy"?

He has a handpicked "government" aka the NLA that votes unanimously for everything he puts forward, he has a handpicked NRC that is coming up with "reforms" that will remove any chance of opposition (well maybe they will one decade, all we've heard so far is talk) an interim constitution that gives the junta absolute power, and a handpicked group of 250 sycophants that will write the new constitution that will ensure that power is concentrated in the "right" hands.

I'm sorry, rubl, but I don't see much wriggle room for obstructing the juntas march to "democracy", perhaps you can (re)educate me?

I also see at least Jatuporn saying he has told his red-shirts and Pheu Thai people to not co-operate. As a variant on "better dead than red" I guess. So the NRC will have problems getting all the input they need to ensure they can formulate reforms most Thai could accept. Consequently with work not completed PM Prayut cannot commit to a date. Maybe he doesn't want to get reforms which a part of the population didn't get the chance to give input on ?

The falsehood in your argument is in saying that the NRC has to formulate reforms that Thais will accept.

Take a look at what has happened recently - with the military coup, the NRC placed subordinate to the NCPO and all that. Did the army ask people what the would and wouldn't accept before sending in the troops to overthrow a democratically elected government and muzzle the press?

The NRC is merely a façade to placate fools, while the NCPO calls the shots.

Edited October 19, 2014 by Thanet

[rubl]

So, with obstruction by politicians and protesters of a few colours the PM doesn't feel obliged to commit to a certain date. Somehow that makes sense.

Would you like to explain just how your statement above makes sense,rubl? What obstruction from politicians and protesters of a few colours is stopping him from his roadmap to "democracy"?

He has a handpicked "government" aka the NLA that votes unanimously for everything he puts forward, he has a handpicked NRC that is coming up with "reforms" that will remove any chance of opposition (well maybe they will one decade, all we've heard so far is talk) an interim constitution that gives the junta absolute power, and a handpicked group of 250 sycophants that will write the new constitution that will ensure that power is concentrated in the "right" hands.

I'm sorry, rubl, but I don't see much wriggle room for obstructing the juntas march to "democracy", perhaps you can (re)educate me?

I also see at least Jatuporn saying he has told his red-shirts and Pheu Thai people to not co-operate. As a variant on "better dead than red" I guess. So the NRC will have problems getting all the input they need to ensure they can formulate reforms most Thai could accept. Consequently with work not completed PM Prayut cannot commit to a date. Maybe he doesn't want to get reforms which a part of the population didn't get the chance to give input on ?

The falsehood in your argument is in saying that the NRC has to formulate reforms that Thais will accept.

Take a look at what has happened recently - with the military coup, the NRC placed subordinate to the NCPO and all that. Did the army ask people what the would and wouldn't accept before sending in the troops to overthrow a democratically elected government and muzzle the press?

The NRC is merely a façade to placate fools, while the NCPO calls the shots.

It would seem you confuse your opinion with 'facts'. Furthermore saying my arguments contain falsehoods it like telling me I lie. Without any proof as well.

Furthermore your logic is very faulty and your arguments are rambling. You state as if you tell the truth as delivered to you inscribed on golden plates.

The NRC has to collect input from a broad spectra of the Thai population. With people willing to provide that input the NRC might be able to formulate reforms which may be acceptable by most Thai. The less input they get and the more obstruction the more likely it is that this will drag on for a while. You as Thai (assuming you really are) are a good example of the near uphill battle the NRC faces. Some seem to have been more than happy with a government controlled by a criminal fugitive abroad. A government which left the Thai tax payer with a 700++ billion Baht debt guaranteed by the Yingluck Government and now to be slowly paid off by this and coming governments which of course means 'us, the taxpayers'. I guess that makes you really happy because it was done by your 'elected' government.

Edited October 19, 2014 by rubl

[Bob12345]

It would seem you confuse your opinion with 'facts'. Furthermore saying my arguments contain falsehoods it like telling me I lie. Without any proof as well.

Furthermore your logic is very faulty and your arguments are rambling. You state as if you tell the truth as delivered to you inscribed on golden plates.

The NRC has to collect input from a broad spectra of the Thai population. With people willing to provide that input the NRC might be able to formulate reforms which may be acceptable by most Thai. The less input they get and the more obstruction the more likely it is that this will drag on for a while. You as Thai (assuming you really are) are a good example of the near uphill battle the NRC faces. Some seem to have been more than happy with a government controlled by a criminal fugitive abroad. A government which left the Thai tax payer with a 700++ billion Baht debt guaranteed by the Yingluck Government and now to be slowly paid off by this and coming governments which of course means 'us, the taxpayers'. I guess that makes you really happy because it was done by your 'elected' government.

So the earlier mentioning of an election in a year actually meant "an election in 1 year if 100% of the population cooperates completely"? It does sound a lot less sexy so I understand why they left that part out.

Convenient by the way that this can also always be used as an excuse for delays: "yes, sorry, we also needed input from Somchai who sells vegetables around the corner but he refused to cooperate so we need another year before we can make a roadmap to democracy as his input is critical for the country".

By the way, your posts seem to follow a certain pattern that makes me believe you are (becoming) blind for the facts, the steps you often show:

Q1: is what the junta is doing representing Thailand in a good way?

If no: point out that Yingluck would have done it worse and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

If yes, continue to Q2

Q2: is what the junta is doing a misuse of power?

if yes: point out that Taksin is a (convicted) criminal and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

if no, continue to Q3

Q3: is what the junta is doing is harmful for the economy:

if yes: mention 700++ billion baht (over and over again) and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

[gk10002000]

It is so sad to see such fallacious reasoning in this modern age. "..when Thailand achieves its goals in accordance with the National Council for Peace and Order's reform roadmap." Who says this group speaks for Thailand's goals? Asserting that something is true does not mean it is true. And even if elections are held, it is only a matter of time before another coup happens. This is because Thailand is not prepared to stand behind and maintain a constitution as the body of law. A coup comes along and throws out the constitution.

[rubl]

It would seem you confuse your opinion with 'facts'. Furthermore saying my arguments contain falsehoods it like telling me I lie. Without any proof as well.

Furthermore your logic is very faulty and your arguments are rambling. You state as if you tell the truth as delivered to you inscribed on golden plates.

The NRC has to collect input from a broad spectra of the Thai population. With people willing to provide that input the NRC might be able to formulate reforms which may be acceptable by most Thai. The less input they get and the more obstruction the more likely it is that this will drag on for a while. You as Thai (assuming you really are) are a good example of the near uphill battle the NRC faces. Some seem to have been more than happy with a government controlled by a criminal fugitive abroad. A government which left the Thai tax payer with a 700++ billion Baht debt guaranteed by the Yingluck Government and now to be slowly paid off by this and coming governments which of course means 'us, the taxpayers'. I guess that makes you really happy because it was done by your 'elected' government.

So the earlier mentioning of an election in a year actually meant "an election in 1 year if 100% of the population cooperates completely"? It does sound a lot less sexy so I understand why they left that part out.

Convenient by the way that this can also always be used as an excuse for delays: "yes, sorry, we also needed input from Somchai who sells vegetables around the corner but he refused to cooperate so we need another year before we can make a roadmap to democracy as his input is critical for the country".

By the way, your posts seem to follow a certain pattern that makes me believe you are (becoming) blind for the facts, the steps you often show:

Q1: is what the junta is doing representing Thailand in a good way?

If no: point out that Yingluck would have done it worse and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

If yes, continue to Q2

Q2: is what the junta is doing a misuse of power?

if yes: point out that Taksin is a (convicted) criminal and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

if no, continue to Q3

Q3: is what the junta is doing is harmful for the economy:

if yes: mention 700++ billion baht (over and over again) and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

What if the OP says PM Prayut says not to commit to a poll date?

- say that's undemocratic

- say you wouldn't believe the results anyway

- state that Pheu Thai will come back and Thaksin profited from the coup

- blame the NCPO for about anything can went wrong in the past

- blame the NCPO for not being able to do the job in a mere year

- lament how much better we had it under previous governments.

IMHO

[Thanet]

It would seem you confuse your opinion with 'facts'. Furthermore saying my arguments contain falsehoods it like telling me I lie. Without any proof as well.

Furthermore your logic is very faulty and your arguments are rambling. You state as if you tell the truth as delivered to you inscribed on golden plates.

The NRC has to collect input from a broad spectra of the Thai population. With people willing to provide that input the NRC might be able to formulate reforms which may be acceptable by most Thai. The less input they get and the more obstruction the more likely it is that this will drag on for a while. You as Thai (assuming you really are) are a good example of the near uphill battle the NRC faces. Some seem to have been more than happy with a government controlled by a criminal fugitive abroad. A government which left the Thai tax payer with a 700++ billion Baht debt guaranteed by the Yingluck Government and now to be slowly paid off by this and coming governments which of course means 'us, the taxpayers'. I guess that makes you really happy because it was done by your 'elected' government.

So the earlier mentioning of an election in a year actually meant "an election in 1 year if 100% of the population cooperates completely"? It does sound a lot less sexy so I understand why they left that part out.

Convenient by the way that this can also always be used as an excuse for delays: "yes, sorry, we also needed input from Somchai who sells vegetables around the corner but he refused to cooperate so we need another year before we can make a roadmap to democracy as his input is critical for the country".

By the way, your posts seem to follow a certain pattern that makes me believe you are (becoming) blind for the facts, the steps you often show:

Q1: is what the junta is doing representing Thailand in a good way?

If no: point out that Yingluck would have done it worse and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

If yes, continue to Q2

Q2: is what the junta is doing a misuse of power?

if yes: point out that Taksin is a (convicted) criminal and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

if no, continue to Q3

Q3: is what the junta is doing is harmful for the economy:

if yes: mention 700++ billion baht (over and over again) and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

Well said Bob. I particularly liked the 'Rube logic in 3 questions' part at the end. We could even turn them into a flow chart, so that Rube can understand the procedure more readily.

Rube seems to have been completely taken in by this whole NLA / NRC obfuscation thing, as if these NLA / NRC structures actually meant something and had any independent power. More and more people are beginning to realise that the NLA / NRC is just a charade, there only for the sake of appearances, and that the result of these so called reforms is a foregone conclusion: taking political rights away from the citizenry and placing it solely into the hands of the traditional elite.

As you say, the election can be postponed indefinitely, because of some pretext - one person or another not yet satisfied with the progress so let's take another year ...

Rube gets himself buried in all this phoney process, while forgetting that the NCPO control everything and will of course dictate the outcome to their own, and their buddies', benefit.

Edited October 20, 2014 by Thanet

[Bob12345]

It also reminds me of Suthep who was holding meetings with his reform council in the park during the protest. Big changes and far going plans were promised time after time, but eventually nothing came out after months.

With hindsight it was clear the whole reforms were just bogus and he was waiting for escalation so the army could step in.

The same happens now, big plans are being promised but a few years from now some people will look back at this period and will feel ashamed they never saw what was really happening.

Edited October 20, 2014 by Bob12345

[lomatopo]

The ID badges for NLA members are (honestly) dated valid until 2020, so expecting an "election" much before then is a pipe-dream.

Maybe with 1/3 of the lower body seats reserved for the Military, 1/3 for the Amart and 1/3 for the Serfs and a fully appointed ( by Good People, of course ) upper body, aka: 'Reforms which Good People will like', there could be an election sooner. But it may take time to fashion this into an acceptable charter, and lull the common folk into accepting their "sufficiency".

[Fred Flinstone]

It would seem you confuse your opinion with 'facts'. Furthermore saying my arguments contain falsehoods it like telling me I lie. Without any proof as well.

Furthermore your logic is very faulty and your arguments are rambling. You state as if you tell the truth as delivered to you inscribed on golden plates.

The NRC has to collect input from a broad spectra of the Thai population. With people willing to provide that input the NRC might be able to formulate reforms which may be acceptable by most Thai. The less input they get and the more obstruction the more likely it is that this will drag on for a while. You as Thai (assuming you really are) are a good example of the near uphill battle the NRC faces. Some seem to have been more than happy with a government controlled by a criminal fugitive abroad. A government which left the Thai tax payer with a 700++ billion Baht debt guaranteed by the Yingluck Government and now to be slowly paid off by this and coming governments which of course means 'us, the taxpayers'. I guess that makes you really happy because it was done by your 'elected' government.

So the earlier mentioning of an election in a year actually meant "an election in 1 year if 100% of the population cooperates completely"? It does sound a lot less sexy so I understand why they left that part out.

Convenient by the way that this can also always be used as an excuse for delays: "yes, sorry, we also needed input from Somchai who sells vegetables around the corner but he refused to cooperate so we need another year before we can make a roadmap to democracy as his input is critical for the country".

By the way, your posts seem to follow a certain pattern that makes me believe you are (becoming) blind for the facts, the steps you often show:

Q1: is what the junta is doing representing Thailand in a good way?

If no: point out that Yingluck would have done it worse and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

If yes, continue to Q2

Q2: is what the junta is doing a misuse of power?

if yes: point out that Taksin is a (convicted) criminal and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

if no, continue to Q3

Q3: is what the junta is doing is harmful for the economy:

if yes: mention 700++ billion baht (over and over again) and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

What if the OP says PM Prayut says not to commit to a poll date?

- say that's undemocratic

- say you wouldn't believe the results anyway

- state that Pheu Thai will come back and Thaksin profited from the coup

- blame the NCPO for about anything can went wrong in the past

- blame the NCPO for not being able to do the job in a mere year

- lament how much better we had it under previous governments.

IMHO

The latest this PM is on very Thin Ice

[rubl]

So the earlier mentioning of an election in a year actually meant "an election in 1 year if 100% of the population cooperates completely"? It does sound a lot less sexy so I understand why they left that part out.

Convenient by the way that this can also always be used as an excuse for delays: "yes, sorry, we also needed input from Somchai who sells vegetables around the corner but he refused to cooperate so we need another year before we can make a roadmap to democracy as his input is critical for the country".

By the way, your posts seem to follow a certain pattern that makes me believe you are (becoming) blind for the facts, the steps you often show:

Q1: is what the junta is doing representing Thailand in a good way?

If no: point out that Yingluck would have done it worse and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

If yes, continue to Q2

Q2: is what the junta is doing a misuse of power?

if yes: point out that Taksin is a (convicted) criminal and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

if no, continue to Q3

Q3: is what the junta is doing is harmful for the economy:

if yes: mention 700++ billion baht (over and over again) and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

Well said Bob. I particularly liked the 'Rube logic in 3 questions' part at the end. We could even turn them into a flow chart, so that Rube can understand the procedure more readily.

Rube seems to have been completely taken in by this whole NLA / NRC obfuscation thing, as if these NLA / NRC structures actually meant something and had any independent power. More and more people are beginning to realise that the NLA / NRC is just a charade, there only for the sake of appearances, and that the result of these so called reforms is a foregone conclusion: taking political rights away from the citizenry and placing it solely into the hands of the traditional elite.

As you say, the election can be postponed indefinitely, because of some pretext - one person or another not yet satisfied with the progress so let's take another year ...

Rube gets himself buried in all this phoney process, while forgetting that the NCPO control everything and will of course dictate the outcome to their own, and their buddies', benefit.

It seems there has been a change of tactics. Instead of trying to discredit the contents, now concentrate on discrediting the poster. Spell in out repeatedly. I'm looking forward to the colourful graphics.

Of course I cannoy prove much, but the same goes for those who are against me. "NLA/NRC charade", "reforms forgone conclusion".

One thing though, luckily obstruction by TVF posters has no effect on the NRC / reforms defining process. I doubt Thainet bothered to register for a position even though having possibly studied in Australia he might fit the profile of people looked for.

I especially like the "will of course" in the last sentence. Obviously and clear for all to see. It's almost as if Thainet is seeking to apply for a position in the NCPO and it's dependent organisations. Surely They'll be happy with all suggestions on what some Thai think they should do

[whybother]

Come on guys, corruption is a lame excuse for the coup, most know the reason and there will be no election until after everything is done and dusted.

Corruption wasn't the excuse for the coup. Political stalemate and protest deaths were.

[rubl]

It would seem you confuse your opinion with 'facts'. Furthermore saying my arguments contain falsehoods it like telling me I lie. Without any proof as well.

Furthermore your logic is very faulty and your arguments are rambling. You state as if you tell the truth as delivered to you inscribed on golden plates.

The NRC has to collect input from a broad spectra of the Thai population. With people willing to provide that input the NRC might be able to formulate reforms which may be acceptable by most Thai. The less input they get and the more obstruction the more likely it is that this will drag on for a while. You as Thai (assuming you really are) are a good example of the near uphill battle the NRC faces. Some seem to have been more than happy with a government controlled by a criminal fugitive abroad. A government which left the Thai tax payer with a 700++ billion Baht debt guaranteed by the Yingluck Government and now to be slowly paid off by this and coming governments which of course means 'us, the taxpayers'. I guess that makes you really happy because it was done by your 'elected' government.

So the earlier mentioning of an election in a year actually meant "an election in 1 year if 100% of the population cooperates completely"? It does sound a lot less sexy so I understand why they left that part out.

Convenient by the way that this can also always be used as an excuse for delays: "yes, sorry, we also needed input from Somchai who sells vegetables around the corner but he refused to cooperate so we need another year before we can make a roadmap to democracy as his input is critical for the country".

By the way, your posts seem to follow a certain pattern that makes me believe you are (becoming) blind for the facts, the steps you often show:

Q1: is what the junta is doing representing Thailand in a good way?

If no: point out that Yingluck would have done it worse and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

If yes, continue to Q2

Q2: is what the junta is doing a misuse of power?

if yes: point out that Taksin is a (convicted) criminal and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

if no, continue to Q3

Q3: is what the junta is doing is harmful for the economy:

if yes: mention 700++ billion baht (over and over again) and your job is done (no need to put a critical note how the junta is operating)

What if the OP says PM Prayut says not to commit to a poll date?

- say that's undemocratic

- say you wouldn't believe the results anyway

- state that Pheu Thai will come back and Thaksin profited from the coup

- blame the NCPO for about anything can went wrong in the past

- blame the NCPO for not being able to do the job in a mere year

- lament how much better we had it under previous governments.

IMHO

The latest this PM is on very Thin Ice

He knows that. That's why he's seeking advise from the Australian Government on 'Internet surveillance'.

Mind you, it may not help too much though

"Australia's Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security (AIGIS) has found that the nation's Australian Security and Intelligence Agency (ASIO) spied on itself in contravention of local laws."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/17/australian_spookhaus_busted_for_warrantless_tap_of_own_phones/

[rubl]

It also reminds me of Suthep who was holding meetings with his reform council in the park during the protest. Big changes and far going plans were promised time after time, but eventually nothing came out after months.

With hindsight it was clear the whole reforms were just bogus and he was waiting for escalation so the army could step in.

The same happens now, big plans are being promised but a few years from now some people will look back at this period and will feel ashamed they never saw what was really happening.

Of course had the PDRC come with detailed plans on reforms they would have been vilified and crucified for describing reforms without even asking for broader input from other Thais.

In the end the PDRC started with defining a framework which would help the process of discussion reform issues, collection input, etc., etc. In a way similar to what the NRC will be doing.

Ah well, obviously and clear for all to see the NCPO failed. After one day they still hadn't solved all problems from the last decades. There were even a few farmers left last month, still waiting to get paid for their rice. Imagine!

Of course this would never have happened in a democracy, but then Thailand wasn't one, not really.

[Fred Flinstone]

It also reminds me of Suthep who was holding meetings with his reform council in the park during the protest. Big changes and far going plans were promised time after time, but eventually nothing came out after months.

With hindsight it was clear the whole reforms were just bogus and he was waiting for escalation so the army could step in.

The same happens now, big plans are being promised but a few years from now some people will look back at this period and will feel ashamed they never saw what was really happening.

Of course had the PDRC come with detailed plans on reforms they would have been vilified and crucified for describing reforms without even asking for broader input from other Thais.

In the end the PDRC started with defining a framework which would help the process of discussion reform issues, collection input, etc., etc. In a way similar to what the NRC will be doing.

Ah well, obviously and clear for all to see the NCPO failed. After one day they still hadn't solved all problems from the last decades. There were even a few farmers left last month, still waiting to get paid for their rice. Imagine!

Of course this would never have happened in a democracy, but then Thailand wasn't one, not really.

Seems reforms include now that the PM admits he wants to keep power - but admits he fears revolt from "other forces" and acknowledges he needs to learn , and might have made mistakes.