Myanmar man framed for British tourist murders: mother

[54321]

Like most people here I suspect they are being framed but agree 100% with your comment.

Sure the mother has followed the case closely from her hut in the jungle??

"Journalism" at its worst!! "He is such a good boy!!"

The above post smells like the used gym socks you forgot in your locker from last year.

It's two scrawny scapegoats verses the entire concerted might of the RTP, the junta and the island mafia family. Can't you allow a little maternal sympathy for their side?

I am not having a go at the two alleged culprits or the mother, but at the "journalism" creating this nonsense story!

What did you expect the mother to say?? "He started to torture and burn pet-animals alive already as a 5 year old" ??

[mojorison]

Tully... If everyone knows there would be actual evidence. What seems accurate is that everyone wants it to be someone "important"

Yes and no. There is a mountain of evidence... and its concealment implies it involves someone important. This view is shared albeit circumstantially in some cases, and less circumstantial in others. So your opinion and your avatar are at odds...

[dcutman]

Apparently one of the accused's mothers thinks that her son has not recanted his confession.

I am not sure either one of the kids has even met their lawyer yet.

[boomerangutang]

Tully... If everyone knows there would be actual evidence. What seems accurate is that everyone wants it to be someone "important"

There is an absolute ton of evidence against this young man yet he hasn`t even been questioned.

I want a free trial and investigation. Not overly bothered about how "important" they are.

Internet speculation (being very kind with that) isn't evidence.

Hasn't been questioned..... Hmmmm

Here is a list of evidence which jdinasia say's isn't evidence. If you'd been paying attention.....

Of course, if you want to sing officialdom's tune, then the whole thing dovetails nicely that the two 21 year olds went sexually apeshit and then ballistic with killing two farang with a hoe (which even the cops admit doesn't have any of David's blood on it). Then, they hung around the island afterwards.

>>> it could be proven that the people who should be prime suspects were on the island at the time. The two still shots taken from security footage has been shown to be very badly crafted to look like alibis. I was going to make a list of the many items which could very possibly be used as evidence against the headman's people, but it's too much typing for now. Suffice to say, Thai officialdom doesn't want to look at or consider any evidence which implicates the headman's people. Whomever wants to stroll along hand-in-hand with the frame-up can do so, but it's looking more ridiculous (and mean-spirited) each day. UK officials could do more, but they're cowed by commitments to diplomatic posturing. It's in their job description: keeping the diplomatic boat from wavering trumps any silly notions about justice - particularly for a couple little illegal immigrants with no status, no money, no voice, no important friends.

[mojorison]

Off topic a bit, but I think I read that there is no right to appeal under martial law... nice.

[jdinasia]

Tully... If everyone knows there would be actual evidence. What seems accurate is that everyone wants it to be someone "important"

Yes and no. There is a mountain of evidence... and its concealment implies it involves someone important. This view is shared albeit circumstantially in some cases, and less circumstantial in others. So your opinion and your avatar are at odds...

What passes for evidence where you come from? Actual evidence or Internet speculation?

[jdinasia]

Off topic a bit, but I think I read that there is no right to appeal under martial law... nice.

The case is not being tried in a court martial. It is being heard in a criminal court.

[greenchair]

And let's not forget Sean.

Who prayed to god "please get me out of this one" Ill change my wicked ways. Settle down with girlfriend, get a job and never never do this again. Lies lies lies.

[mojorison]

Tully... If everyone knows there would be actual evidence. What seems accurate is that everyone wants it to be someone "important"

There is an absolute ton of evidence against this young man yet he hasn`t even been questioned.

I want a free trial and investigation. Not overly bothered about how "important" they are.

Internet speculation (being very kind with that) isn't evidence.

Hasn't been questioned..... Hmmmm

Here is a list of evidence which jdinasia say's isn't evidence. If you'd been paying attention.....

Of course, if you want to sing officialdom's tune, then the whole thing dovetails nicely that the two 21 year olds went sexually apeshit and then ballistic with killing two farang with a hoe (which even the cops admit doesn't have any of David's blood on it). Then, they hung around the island afterwards.

>>> it could be proven that the people who should be prime suspects were on the island at the time. The two still shots taken from security footage has been shown to be very badly crafted to look like alibis. I was going to make a list of the many items which could very possibly be used as evidence against the headman's people, but it's too much typing for now. Suffice to say, Thai officialdom doesn't want to look at or consider any evidence which implicates the headman's people. Whomever wants to stroll along hand-in-hand with the frame-up can do so, but it's looking more ridiculous (and mean-spirited) each day. UK officials could do more, but they're cowed by commitments to diplomatic posturing. It's in their job description: keeping the diplomatic boat from wavering trumps any silly notions about justice - particularly for a couple little illegal immigrants with no status, no money, no voice, no important friends.

It's commonly known on the islands that illegals are problematic to employ, because of the fact that they can and do simply vanish after any sort of crime (that they have committed) transpires. Usually theft. They can be over the border rough shod in a couple of hours maximum after reaching the mainland. So for these 2 to hang around until the posse comes is "unbelievable".

[jdinasia]

Tully... If everyone knows there would be actual evidence. What seems accurate is that everyone wants it to be someone "important"

There is an absolute ton of evidence against this young man yet he hasn`t even been questioned.

I want a free trial and investigation. Not overly bothered about how "important" they are.

Internet speculation (being very kind with that) isn't evidence.

Hasn't been questioned..... Hmmmm

Here is a list of evidence which jdinasia say's isn't evidence. If you'd been paying attention.....

Of course, if you want to sing officialdom's tune, then the whole thing dovetails nicely that the two 21 year olds went sexually apeshit and then ballistic with killing two farang with a hoe (which even the cops admit doesn't have any of David's blood on it). Then, they hung around the island afterwards.

>>> it could be proven that the people who should be prime suspects were on the island at the time. The two still shots taken from security footage has been shown to be very badly crafted to look like alibis. I was going to make a list of the many items which could very possibly be used as evidence against the headman's people, but it's too much typing for now. Suffice to say, Thai officialdom doesn't want to look at or consider any evidence which implicates the headman's people. Whomever wants to stroll along hand-in-hand with the frame-up can do so, but it's looking more ridiculous (and mean-spirited) each day. UK officials could do more, but they're cowed by commitments to diplomatic posturing. It's in their job description: keeping the diplomatic boat from wavering trumps any silly notions about justice - particularly for a couple little illegal immigrants with no status, no money, no voice, no important friends.

Still waiting for evidence. None in your above statement. Only speculation or opinion.

[jdinasia]

Tully... If everyone knows there would be actual evidence. What seems accurate is that everyone wants it to be someone "important"

There is an absolute ton of evidence against this young man yet he hasn`t even been questioned.

I want a free trial and investigation. Not overly bothered about how "important" they are.

Internet speculation (being very kind with that) isn't evidence.

Hasn't been questioned..... Hmmmm

Here is a list of evidence which jdinasia say's isn't evidence. If you'd been paying attention.....

Of course, if you want to sing officialdom's tune, then the whole thing dovetails nicely that the two 21 year olds went sexually apeshit and then ballistic with killing two farang with a hoe (which even the cops admit doesn't have any of David's blood on it). Then, they hung around the island afterwards.

>>> it could be proven that the people who should be prime suspects were on the island at the time. The two still shots taken from security footage has been shown to be very badly crafted to look like alibis. I was going to make a list of the many items which could very possibly be used as evidence against the headman's people, but it's too much typing for now. Suffice to say, Thai officialdom doesn't want to look at or consider any evidence which implicates the headman's people. Whomever wants to stroll along hand-in-hand with the frame-up can do so, but it's looking more ridiculous (and mean-spirited) each day. UK officials could do more, but they're cowed by commitments to diplomatic posturing. It's in their job description: keeping the diplomatic boat from wavering trumps any silly notions about justice - particularly for a couple little illegal immigrants with no status, no money, no voice, no important friends.

It's commonly known on the islands that illegals are problematic to employ, because of the fact that they can and do simply vanish after any sort of crime (that they have committed) transpires. Usually theft. They can be over the border rough shod in a couple of hours maximum after reaching the mainland. So for these 2 to hang around until the posse comes is "unbelievable".

Totally believable.

[lildragon]

The world knows your sons are being set up. We hope for justice for them and Hannah and David.

I am so happy this case is still so relevant and in the news over a month on. Thai justice will be under so much scrutiny. I hope the real perp is arrested eventually.

[jdinasia]

Tully... If everyone knows there would be actual evidence. What seems accurate is that everyone wants it to be someone "important"

There is an absolute ton of evidence against this young man yet he hasn`t even been questioned.

I want a free trial and investigation. Not overly bothered about how "important" they are.

Internet speculation (being very kind with that) isn't evidence.

Hasn't been questioned..... Hmmmm

Here is a list of evidence which jdinasia say's isn't evidence. If you'd been paying attention.....

Of course, if you want to sing officialdom's tune, then the whole thing dovetails nicely that the two 21 year olds went sexually apeshit and then ballistic with killing two farang with a hoe (which even the cops admit doesn't have any of David's blood on it). Then, they hung around the island afterwards.

>>> it could be proven that the people who should be prime suspects were on the island at the time. The two still shots taken from security footage has been shown to be very badly crafted to look like alibis. I was going to make a list of the many items which could very possibly be used as evidence against the headman's people, but it's too much typing for now. Suffice to say, Thai officialdom doesn't want to look at or consider any evidence which implicates the headman's people. Whomever wants to stroll along hand-in-hand with the frame-up can do so, but it's looking more ridiculous (and mean-spirited) each day. UK officials could do more, but they're cowed by commitments to diplomatic posturing. It's in their job description: keeping the diplomatic boat from wavering trumps any silly notions about justice - particularly for a couple little illegal immigrants with no status, no money, no voice, no important friends.

It's commonly known on the islands that illegals are problematic to employ, because of the fact that they can and do simply vanish after any sort of crime (that they have committed) transpires. Usually theft. They can be over the border rough shod in a couple of hours maximum after reaching the mainland. So for these 2 to hang around until the posse comes is "unbelievable".

Totally believable.

"couple of hours maximum "... Impressive when you are talking about getting to the mainland... Via public boat. Not knowing who is looking for you...

[Briggsy]

The Thai authorities will let these 2 Burmese out after several months. The game here is to keep kicking the can down the road until the press are no longer focussing on this case. At the moment, temporary scapegoats are required by the Thai police as a diversion on behalf of the real culprits. Almost identical tactics were used by the police in the Ratchaburi school bus shooting and the rape-murder of the Australian couple on Doi Ang Khang.

[love1012]

This is a new LOW point for the world............a gift from Thailand!!

[denkiblue555]

Well, to JTJ and his band of merry men,

It seems there will be hundreds demonstrating in the UK tomorrow where they will present a signed petition that is nearing 100,000 in number. That pretty much sums up the required responses to your comments and those paddling the same canoe.

There are many forensic holes in this case.

There are many procedural holes in this case.

There are many 'logic' related holes in this murder case (means, motive etc.)

There are also many common sense holes in this case (why wouldn't an available DNA expert be used)

And the rest....

And then there is the simple TRUTH that the island has very few police and those few police on modest salaries by no means run, control or protect those on the island - that is done by the people who have been there for decades, much like many other places in this world.

The island point may have allowed such despicable human behaviour to occur, but it will also be its downfall as people do talk, especially in small communities, especially in high profile cases where social media is only one click away. I am sure that lose lips will sink these ships.

When the type of comments below are being shown in mainstream Thai media, I don't even think anyone would need to justify the trollish comments here on TV about this case when what is 'actually' being claimed about this case is so far from the truth, or seriously incomplete at best.

"(Mr. Sondhi Limthongkul, Thai media mogul owner of ASTV and leader of the right-wing People's Alliance for Democracy) He said local police are afraid to touch the local mafia. The island is so small everyone knows who did it. The local police tried to help the wrong doers. It was wrong from the start. (Mr. Sondhi) He believes the Burmese are scapegoats."

*translated comments of course

And then there was the UK diplomatic summons......hmm - why does this procedure happen in international politics and what does it mean?.......surely it can't be a good thing to be 'summoned'.

It also seems alibis are beginning to fall....social media can really be a beautiful thing when it allows a break in the tyranny!

[BoristheBlade]

Both dead, thats going to be the only way out for the evil empire that is Thailand

If he recant's. he is dead.

Several other papers have stated that they both recanted.

[jdinasia]

This is a new LOW point for the world............a gift from Thailand!!

Yes, surely this is a far lower point than slavery or the Holocaust! (sarcasm to match the hyperbole)

[jdinasia]

Both dead, thats going to be the only way out for the evil empire that is Thailand

If he recant's. he is dead.

Several other papers have stated that they both recanted.

Boris , can we safely assume you are not in Thailand nor have ever been? Edited October 16, 2014 by jdinasia

[Scully]

So we have Britain summoning a charge d'affaires, Burma calling for a fair trial without scapegoats, NGO's giving legal representation due to the belief the accused are innocent, tens of thousands signing petitions. The majority of the Thai general public don't believe the RTP, it has been a complete cockup by the police from day one.

Yet we have a handful of bizarre posts from nieve members that just want to believe everything that's handed to them from the all so honest Thai police force.

Thailand could make this all go away by inviting either UK or Myanmar to scrutinise the so called evidence.

[BoristheBlade]

in the words of the virgin mary..."come again?"

Both dead, thats going to be the only way out for the evil empire that is Thailand

If he recant's. he is dead.

Several other papers have stated that they both recanted.

Boris , can we safely assume you are not in Thailand nor have ever been?

[denkiblue555]

Both dead, thats going to be the only way out for the evil empire that is Thailand

If he recant's. he is dead.

Several other papers have stated that they both recanted.

Boris , can we safely assume you are not in Thailand nor have ever been?

Why would that assumption be made?

[denkiblue555]

So we have Britain summoning a charge d'affaires, Burma calling for a fair trial without scapegoats, NGO's giving legal representation due to the belief the accused are innocent, tens of thousands signing petitions. The majority of the Thai general public don't believe the RTP, it has been a complete cockup by the police from day one.

Yet we have a handful of bizarre posts from nieve members that just want to believe everything that's handed to them from the all so honest Thai police force.

Thailand could make this all go away by inviting either UK or Myanmar to scrutinise the so called evidence.

Everyone has their investments reasons.

[AleG]

Tully... If everyone knows there would be actual evidence. What seems accurate is that everyone wants it to be someone "important"

Because it usually is when it's a cover up!

The issue is everyone wants it to be a cover-up.

The funny disgraceful thing is how desperately those crying "stitch up!" are on the same breath trying to frame other people up on absolutely no evidence at all.

To top it off the ghouls are already using this to score political points.

[MJP]

Tully... If everyone knows there would be actual evidence. What seems accurate is that everyone wants it to be someone "important"

Because it usually is when it's a cover up!

The issue is everyone wants it to be a cover-up.

The funny disgraceful thing is how desperately those crying "stitch up!" are on the same breath trying to frame other people up on absolutely no evidence at all.

To top it off the ghouls are already using this to score political points.

Well I know from my point of view all I'm interested in is a safe conviction. That is all.

[jdinasia]

Tully... If everyone knows there would be actual evidence. What seems accurate is that everyone wants it to be someone "important"

Because it usually is when it's a cover up!

The issue is everyone wants it to be a cover-up.

The funny disgraceful thing is how desperately those crying "stitch up!" are on the same breath trying to frame other people up on absolutely no evidence at all.

To top it off the ghouls are already using this to score political points.

Strangely they don't see it.

[BoristheBlade]

What's any of this got to do with, race, creed, color, wealth, religion or politics?

This is a tragedy for everyone involved.

It says everything about the greed and corruption that is the human race.

This is not even about the murder of two innocent people.

This is about the difference between good and evil.

issue is everyone wants it to be a cover-up.

The funny disgraceful thing is how desperately those crying "stitch up!" are on the same breath trying to frame other people up on absolutely no evidence at all.

To top it off the ghouls are already using this to score political points.

[Mosha]

About a month ago the RTP were actually requesting help from abroad - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/20/thai-police-koh-tao-fbi-british-backpacker-murders

This never was allowed to happen and instead within days 2 kids were framed for it.

Now the UK is offering what the RTP requested a month ago and the General tells them to p1ss off!? Do none of you nay sayers think that it odd?

No

not odd at all. 3 days after they announced that arrests would be made. They were made. DNA results back. Case to be sent to prosecution.

How hard can it be. Thailand's star qualified DNA specialist said the testers were not qualified!

[jdinasia]

About a month ago the RTP were actually requesting help from abroad - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/20/thai-police-koh-tao-fbi-british-backpacker-murders

This never was allowed to happen and instead within days 2 kids were framed for it.

Now the UK is offering what the RTP requested a month ago and the General tells them to p1ss off!? Do none of you nay sayers think that it odd?

No

not odd at all. 3 days after they announced that arrests would be made. They were made. DNA results back. Case to be sent to prosecution.

How hard can it be. Thailand's star qualified DNA specialist said the testers were not qualified!

You may want to look at what she said. You may also want to look at what she said about the GT200

[jdinasia]

What's any of this got to do with, race, creed, color, wealth, religion or politics?

This is a tragedy for everyone involved.

It says everything about the greed and corruption that is the human race.

This is not even about the murder of two innocent people.

This is about the difference between good and evil.

issue is everyone wants it to be a cover-up.

The funny disgraceful thing is how desperately those crying "stitch up!" are on the same breath trying to frame other people up on absolutely no evidence at all.

To top it off the ghouls are already using this to score political points.

SADLY they think that they know who is guilty. Based solely on Internet sleuthing and an amateur sleuthing website