UK cops 'to only observe'

[Don Aleman]

t is rumored that Cameron actually said " now look you &%^$#&^%*&^ we are going to send our top people to take over and if any of your ^$%#$#&^%*&^ ers get in the *&$%#$%$#^ way we will cut you a new a^%&*^&%^&^*&^ !

[heyexile]

Majority of comments are from the "Peanut Gallery" again.

Guessing half or more of the "Peanut Gallery" are misplaced Brits who can't find a home anywhere anyway. People who can't seem to make a living at home and move to Thailand feeling they're a million percent smarter cause at home nobody would listen to them anyway (nor pay them enough money to be worth staying there, hence the move to Thailand).

You guys should chill and wait for the verdict from the British side. Someday, if this website gets hacked and you guys real ID's are figured out, you'll be the ONLY ones who have problems with visas etc. except for the "real" bad guys.

You might note us Yanks are a lot more careful about posting than you cause it's a whole lot more fun to watch than "expose yourselves".

Cheers Maties

Is that a threat? Thais can be Yanks(ters) too.

[bongoz]

again if Thailand Junta has the will....UK police will not only observe..but also investigate and collect some evidence

same as the australian police in Bali,Indonesia

Keep it in perspective please.

The Bail bombing were a terrorist attack, over 200 people killed. How can you compare that to this case?

are you suggesting that it can be done with only a high number of casualties?and what is the limit?49?60? besides not all the victims were australian many were indonesian

Major terrorist attack vs two murders

Small Island with limited forensic experience vs Australia (I could write a paragraph about the experiece Australia has)

Australia's closest neighbor

At that point in time excellent bilateral communication

That is all and the fact that I had to explain it to you - I call TROLL!!

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We all know the British police have never fitted any one up nor have there ever been any corrupt coppers in the UK. The rich in UK are treated just like the poor.

Haha.

The difference is the RTP have always done these things without being questioned

The boys in blue however have mastered the art of skullduggery while under massive scrutiny.

Whose eyes are being opened here?

Perhaps the General had a word with call me Dave to ascertain the best way to fit people up and get away with it.

You're new here, aren't you?

[stephen terry]

Do you believe everything politicians say? Of course both PMs will put their spin on what's going to happen or not - that's normal. The fact that the British police have been invited is a first step. They will be given their objectives, and will report back to the Embassy, who will raise issues found, diplomatically.

i could go on ad infinitum, but what the man in street thinks is probably not the case within diplomatic circles.

It's the man in the street who change the course of history, all that is needed is unity and resolve. We are looking for justice not diplomacy.

It's going to be diplomacy that could provide the best avenue to achieve justice in this case. That's if the prosecution evidence can be challenged or verified at, or prior to, the trial. To issue a 'we are looking for justice statement' now is judgmental, even though the sentiments are welcomed by the majority of posters, including me.

Be patient. Let the Brit police do what they have been briefed to do. By all means lobby for an independent investigation or similar, but the question of justice (if it differs from your stance) is only appropriate when the judge(s) deliver a verdict. Why? Because at this point none of us have been privy to what evidence has been submitted to the court by the RTP, we can only surmise. And that also applies to the defence case.

Edited October 19, 2014 by stephen terry

[DennisF]

We all know the British police have never fitted any one up nor have there ever been any corrupt coppers in the UK. The rich in UK are treated just like the poor.

Haha.

The difference is the RTP have always done these things without being questioned

The boys in blue however have mastered the art of skullduggery while under massive scrutiny.

Whose eyes are being opened here?

Perhaps the General had a word with call me Dave to ascertain the best way to fit people up and get away with it.

You're new here, aren't you?

I almost spilt my drink. Best laugh of the day... oh.. only laugh of the day, its a tough life.

[bongoz]

Wow, you sure about this? Unbelievable. Or not I guess

can you post the pic or give a link?

Source? And can we be sure it's not photoshopped?

Source was from

blowin post 293

I meant what is the original source?

Yes I know you meant that but I don't know, I got it from post 293, come on do you need spoon feeding

No we just need factual, honest and verifiable information, not just some picture posted on TV with the vaguest of information - Thursday or Friday...

Here on TV?? geez.. did they change the rules?? Oh, Dont know if the photos real but I did check it, not photoshop deceit as far as I can tell.

So you are an image expert then.

Perhaps you should offer your services to the RTP seems like your expertise would fit right in!

We rest our case your honor...

[thailandchilli]

Wow, you sure about this? Unbelievable. Or not I guess

can you post the pic or give a link?

Source? And can we be sure it's not photoshopped?

Source was from

blowin post 293

I meant what is the original source?

Yes I know you meant that but I don't know, I got it from post 293, come on do you need spoon feeding

No we just need factual, honest and verifiable information, not just some picture posted on TV with the vaguest of information - Thursday or Friday...

Yes we all need factual, honest and verifiable information, that would be perfect would'nt it, unfortunately we do not have that do we, at the end of the day we are making assumptions no matter how well meaning and how obvious they may be.

[DennisF]

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again if Thailand Junta has the will....UK police will not only observe..but also investigate and collect some evidence

same as the australian police in Bali,Indonesia

Keep it in perspective please.

The Bail bombing were a terrorist attack, over 200 people killed. How can you compare that to this case?

are you suggesting that it can be done with only a high number of casualties?and what is the limit?49?60? besides not all the victims were australian many were indonesian

Major terrorist attack vs two murders

Small Island with limited forensic experience vs Australia (I could write a paragraph about the experiece Australia has)

Australia's closest neighbor

At that point in time excellent bilateral communication

That is all and the fact that I had to explain it to you - I call TROLL!!

Agreed. To compare the two crimes is almost obscene.

[retsdon]

"Prayut said Cameron told him that he saw nothing wrong with the Thai justice system,"

'He also told reporters that Cameron expected the British public to "take some more time to understand this matter".'

I think it's quite touching that Prayut seems to take everything Cameron said to him at face value...

[rmacee]

With the language differences it will be tough for the Britcops to get to the truth....unless of course the Britcops picked to come speak and read Thai!

[rmacee]

No doubt the embassy will provide all the translation / translator requirements so language is not an issue ..

[emilymat]

To me it's simple. The Thai PM was pretty desperate to give the impression to the worlds press that he was having meaningful bi-lateral discussion with world leaders whilst in Italy.

Therefore, he would probably make verbal 'agreements' at the time for the headlines, knowing that as soon as he got back into Thailand he would retract any understanding.

It's simply, 'shooting from the hip' and 'two faced' to give it the normal expressions. But what the hell, who in Thailand cares..

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For those haha, comparing the UK police with the ROYAL Thai police , you've either been here far too long and consider yourselves (Christ ...) Thai, OR conversely, newly loved up with this land of the truly absurd ., both groups having equally lost the plot

[DennisF]

quote:So you are an image expert then.

Not an expert but having used the programme daily for over 15 years am somewhat competent.

I did offer my services but unfortunately they were unable to supply a work permit for me as it is not

an allowed occupation.

But, nonetheless, thank you for the accolade, I will cherish it.

[thailandchilli]

With the language differences it will be tough for the Britcops to get to the truth....unless of course the Britcops picked to come speak and read Thai!

I think you may find the British Embassy in BKK is teaming with dozens of bilingual UK and Thai staff, its the last of their problems, perhaps we should also make sure they have packed sufficient socks!

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To me it's simple. The Thai PM was pretty desperate to give the impression to the worlds press that he was having meaningful bi-lateral discussion with world leaders whilst in Italy.

I know, pathetic isn't it

[DennisF]

For those haha, comparing the UK police with the ROYAL Thai police , you've either been here far too long and consider yourselves (Christ ...) Thai, OR conversely, newly loved up with this land of the truly absurd ., both groups having equally lost the plot

Im confused, if there is only one plot how can two groups equally lose it??

If one finds it is it then unequally found?

I do agree with what I think are your sentiments though.

[Number 3]

Does Singapore have DNA Samples?

If not all the DNA in the Thai Officials hands is tainted.

And the headsman is still pouring drinks with a smile, drinks for all my police friends.....These 2 small Burmese could not do that much damage on 2 individuals.....

"Does Singapore have DNA Samples?"

I don't know - let me check my crystal ball...

Fair question richusa.

DNA was not sent to Singapore.

This information was what precipitated the involvement of pornthip mad hair.

Her issue of 'DNA handling ' refers to this very fact. No DNA was sent overseas for handling.

"DNA was not sent to Singapore."

Can you back you statements up with any factual information or have you also been using my crystal ball?

Sorry to disappoint bong, it is fact.

However I will stand down if YOU can find the facility that assisted the Thai police. I know the forensic institute of Thailand wasn't able to do so. So prove them wrong and provide us with details We are always happy to learn something new on TV

Crystal balling also doesn't inspire me to post a single thing. Just so you know mate.

[sustento]

The only place that British police have jurisdiction is in Britain. They have no legal authority at all in Thailand.

Imagine the hoo haa if a Thai was murdered in the UK and the Thai government expected expected the UK to surrender all legal authority to a couple of visiting members of the RTP.

Depends on what you mean by jurisdiction. British subject in trouble anywhere in the world, or killed as here, British institutions and bodies have jurisdiction. What you maybe mean is that they cannot PROSECUTE on foreign territory unless a treaty specifically permits them to do so.

I mean they have no jurisdiction. They have no more legal authority than a 2 week tourist. They cannot arrest anyone. They cannot question anyone. They cannot charge anyone in the same way that a member of the RTP (or any other police force) cannot do these things in England or Wales.

Lots of people in this thread seem to think that Palmerston is still Prime Minister and that we can send in a gunboat if any pesky foreigners don't do as we wish.

Thailand is a sovereign nation with its own legal system and police force. If it wishes it can allow police from the UK to help with investigations but they have no legal standing in Thailand. They are not sworn members of the RTP and have no more legal powers than me.

[MJP]

The only place that British police have jurisdiction is in Britain. They have no legal authority at all in Thailand.

Imagine the hoo haa if a Thai was murdered in the UK and the Thai government expected expected the UK to surrender all legal authority to a couple of visiting members of the RTP.

Depends on what you mean by jurisdiction. British subject in trouble anywhere in the world, or killed as here, British institutions and bodies have jurisdiction. What you maybe mean is that they cannot PROSECUTE on foreign territory unless a treaty specifically permits them to do so.

I mean they have no jurisdiction. They have no more legal authority than a 2 week tourist. They cannot arrest anyone. They cannot question anyone. They cannot charge anyone in the same way that a member of the RTP (or any other police force) cannot do these things in England or Wales.

Lots of people in this thread seem to think that Palmerston is still Prime Minister and that we can send in a gunboat if any pesky foreigners don't do as we wish.

Thailand is a sovereign nation with its own legal system and police force. If it wishes it can allow police from the UK to help with investigations but they have no legal standing in Thailand. They are not sworn members of the RTP and have no more legal powers than me.

That's the reality.

[pb1936]

The UK police team will be a very experienced group of officers, probably with back-up of a few heavies. They will already have a lot of information and know exactly how they will deal with the matters in hand, namely, does the dna match or not, and what is the truth regarding the human rights issues - these are the UK's publicly stated intentions.

In the process of this work it is possible that they may make other discoveries, but these would not be made public. If the Thai administration attempts to obstruct either objective ( the need for which has come about solely as a result of the appalling record of the RTP ) this will surely be made world-wide news.

It is shameful that it has become necessary for the British Police to be involved.

[bongoz]

"Does Singapore have DNA Samples?"

I don't know - let me check my crystal ball...

Fair question richusa.

DNA was not sent to Singapore.

This information was what precipitated the involvement of pornthip mad hair.

Her issue of 'DNA handling ' refers to this very fact. No DNA was sent overseas for handling.

"DNA was not sent to Singapore."

Can you back you statements up with any factual information or have you also been using my crystal ball?

Sorry to disappoint bong, it is fact.

However I will stand down if YOU can find the facility that assisted the Thai police. I know the forensic institute of Thailand wasn't able to do so. So prove them wrong and provide us with details We are always happy to learn something new on TV

Crystal balling also doesn't inspire me to post a single thing. Just so you know mate.

I haven't stated anything and thus don't have to prove / disprove anything - you were the one that said:

"DNA was not sent to Singapore."

Where did you source your information from?

Time to put up or shut up, mate...

[jdinasia]

Does Singapore have DNA Samples?

If not all the DNA in the Thai Officials hands is tainted.

And the headsman is still pouring drinks with a smile, drinks for all my police friends.....These 2 small Burmese could not do that much damage on 2 individuals.....

Huh ???

Have you ever suffered a massive head wound? Even been in a serious fight? I have to assume that the answer to both is "no"

[DennisF]

Frankly, all the rhetoric and guessing about the observation or investigation role of the UK bobbies is just hot air.

We do NOT KNOW what their role will be, we just have conflicting statements, choose the one you believe.

One think is certain, Britain will not be sending any rookie coppers they will be seasoned veterans and police training in the UK

is one of the best in the World.

These guys, whatever their role, will smell a rat a mile away and be on it. Thats their nature, so lets not prejudge them or start ridiculous theories about cameron

doing some kind of secret deal.

Whatever the results the British police find in this case will be fact and verifiable.

I for one will be satisfied with their report even if it backs the incompetent corrupt BiB 100%.

We all have to believe in something and my something is British justice and law enforcement, despite their many published mistakes..

[Number 3]

"Does Singapore have DNA Samples?"

I don't know - let me check my crystal ball...

Fair question richusa.

DNA was not sent to Singapore.

This information was what precipitated the involvement of pornthip mad hair.

Her issue of 'DNA handling ' refers to this very fact. No DNA was sent overseas for handling.

"DNA was not sent to Singapore."

Can you back you statements up with any factual information or have you also been using my crystal ball?

Sorry to disappoint bong, it is fact.

However I will stand down if YOU can find the facility that assisted the Thai police. I know the forensic institute of Thailand wasn't able to do so. So prove them wrong and provide us with details We are always happy to learn something new on TV

Crystal balling also doesn't inspire me to post a single thing. Just so you know mate.

I haven't stated anything and thus don't have to prove / disprove anything - you were the one that said:

"DNA was not sent to Singapore."

Where did you source your information from?

Time to put up or shut up, mate...

It's time bong ? Really ? You're rather new to this discussion right?

Which is fine but suggest some back reading for your homework project.

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For those haha, comparing the UK police with the ROYAL Thai police , you've either been here far too long and consider yourselves (Christ ...) Thai, OR conversely, newly loved up with this land of the truly absurd ., both groups having equally lost the plot

Im confused, if there is only one plot how can two groups equally lose it??

If one finds it is it then unequally found?

I do agree with what I think are your sentiments though.

Thar ya go http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/lose+the+plot

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These guys, whatever their role, will smell a rat a mile away and be on it.

I believe the 'rat' has already been smelled

[kaobang]

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Major terrorist attack vs two murders

Small Island with limited forensic experience vs Australia (I could write a paragraph about the experiece Australia has)

Australia's closest neighbor

At that point in time excellent bilateral communication

That is all and the fact that I had to explain it to you - I call TROLL!!

Agreed. To compare the two crimes is almost obscene.

say what you want but a foreign investigation in a sovereign country..yeah thats possible

and for me its obscene that a fair full investigation depends by the number of victims

[BoristheBlade]

Traps set and ready to bite,,,,A British PM does not get involved in a matter like this for no reason. The British know there is a miscarriage of justice going down here......

And it's unacceptable and they will do everything in there power to stop it.

Britain on its own has no power, but when included with Europe, USA and maybe Japan ...thats power

A travel warning against Thailand issued by the former would be devastating for Thailand.

These guys, whatever their role, will smell a rat a mile away and be on it.

I believe the 'rat' has already been smelled