webfact Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Ebola quarantine test looms in US(BBC) A nurse who cared for Ebola patients in Sierra Leone is fighting the US state of Maine over its right to quarantine her against her will.In a test case for returning US health workers, Kaci Hickox has vowed to leave her home on Thursday if the state does not lift the restrictions.President Barack Obama has been sharply critical of isolation being forced on people he says are "American heroes".Almost 5,000 people have died from the Ebola virus, mostly in West Africa.On Thursday, US Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power is expected to call for a stronger international response when she meets EU officials in Brussels.She has been visiting the countries most affected - Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia and Ghana - to show US support.Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29828665-- BBC 2014-10-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ClutchClark Posted October 30, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) What an incredibly selfish person. This is a great example of why I would never consider marrying a modern American woman. I am re-evaluating my positive opinion of Doctors Without Borders. Edited October 30, 2014 by ClutchClark 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oneday Posted October 30, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2014 President Barack Obama has been sharply critical of isolation being forced on people he says are "American heroes". Well that nails it for me...Barack Obama is a blithering idiot with a double-digit IQ. Anyone who can't stay isolated for 21 days just to make sure they don't have and spread this deadly virus is self-absorbed, irresponsible and dangerous to society. And now we have a President that apparently doesn't think Ebola is a big deal so we should just let all those "Heroes" coming home go do what they want and be damned with the consequences. Don't get me wrong, these health care workers are heroes, but if they can't stay isolated for 21 days then they are no longer heroes in as far as I'm concerned. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarius Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Stupid...no state should be allowed to detain you for 21 days without a court order... As usual breathless hysteria and overkill....using fear to control the population and then cracking a nut with a sledgehammer....like the cops pumping 46 bullets into the guy with a penknife...well he might have been dangerous. Ridiculous....it's like avian flu, followed by H5N or whatever it was...scaremongering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Obama sure is taking a lot of heat for whatever he does or doesn't do. I hope everybody will be just as quick to praise his decisions after this mess blows over and the homeland casualty count remains at... let's see 4500 times... carry the 3... oh yes: ZERO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Stupid...no state should be allowed to detain you for 21 days without a court order... As usual breathless hysteria and overkill....using fear to control the population and then cracking a nut with a sledgehammer....like the cops pumping 46 bullets into the guy with a penknife...well he might have been dangerous. Ridiculous....it's like avian flu, followed by H5N or whatever it was...scaremongering. FOCUS. Your bouncing all over the place with that post. I would offer you a hypothetical scenario but I am not sure you would be able to comprehend it in your current frame of mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 ... let's see 4500 times... carry the 3... oh yes: ZERO. Alright, even though I disagree with your position, I will give you a big thumbs up for that good bit of humor. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bunuel Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 There are two separate issues here that many in US are confusing.1) The nurse's expressed refusal to accept 21 day quarantine in the comforts of her rural home in Maine. Since the CDC grants the right of states to make quarantines in case of medical emergency, don't see how she can win that one. It certainly isn't close to being a " human rights violation" as she claims - just spent 5 years in the Congo, where they are experts on both human rights violations as well as Ebola. Medical professionals have to be team players, and have to follow instructions even if they disagree. Hell, this nurse isn't even follpwing MSF protocols:While Hickox does not want to be "bullied by politicians" (her words), she at the same time is NOT adhering to protocol set forth by MSF (Doctors Without Borders). She is in violation of MSF's guideline #4. From MSF's very own website, their guidelines for asymptomatic returning healthcare workers are:1. Check temperature two times per day2. Finish regular course of malaria prophylaxis (malaria symptoms can mimic Ebola symptoms)3. Be aware of relevant symptoms, such as fever4. Stay within four hours of a hospital with isolation facilities5. Immediately contact the MSF-USA office if any relevant symptoms develop2) The second issue is whether or not there should be any quarantine at all. As a leftwing New Yorker who hassurvived a lot of dangerous places in the world. I applaud Governor Cuomo for his " better safe than sorry" approach. Western medicine is hardly infalllible, and there is still no cure for this deadly virus. CDC is responsible for creating panic by inconsistent statements, and President Obama has only msde things worse by pandering to medical establishment and Big Pharm.If US military can undergo 21 day quarantine, why not medical professipnals? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Lady is on a personal vendetta, and lawyers feed off that making it a case where there is lots of money to be made. My few cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steely Dan Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 A test case indeed for the liberal war of imposing their dogma over all common sense. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendly Stranger Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 "American Heroes" Don't forget Prez, this is on your watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 No matter where she goes and what she does, she will be forever "Ebola Nurse." Serves her right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JDGRUEN Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 A rotating team of people bearing a large flash LED flashlight projecting a RED BEAM with a capital E cut out of the lens to project a BIG RED E on her every time she appears in public.... EBOLA NURSE --- so self centered she cannot even think about others ... She could have held press conferences while in isolation with Skype Video to the news media... announced her new Book on My Work In the West African Ebola Crisis --- or How to go about helping in the Ebola Crisis in Africa and look out for the safety of my fellow Americans on my return... But no - no imagination... just pig headed stupidity ... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Nurse Ratched / Hickox... could be confined by law - if rampant political correctness which is also spreading does not get in the way ... She could be found guilty of failure to comply with Public Health Laws of the State of Maine... relative to the right to the state to confine and isolate anyone suspected of carrying a deadly communicable disease. Such public health laws have been on the books in every state for nearly a hundred years dating back before Typhoid Mary... She could be charge with failure to comply when a court issues a compliance order based on those laws ... One is just not allowed to go about potentially endangering others. These laws in every state authorize the issuance of a warrant for arrest. This was done in Dallas only a few weeks ago when a homeless guy who had been exposed to Mr. Duncan in the ambulance and later disappeared. The Public Health Warrant was Issued - he was found - he was arrested - he was confined and isolated. Sorry that so many people have no idea about Public Health Law.... Back in the day when working for the Texas Department of Health I served an Arrest Warrant on a fellow in Dallas who was knowingly spreading syphilis to others ... He was taken into custody - given a choice of taking treatment or go to county jail - he took treatment and didn't skip any.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Nurse Ratched / Hickox... could be confined by law - if rampant political correctness which is also spreading does not get in the way ... She could be found guilty of failure to comply with Public Health Laws of the State of Maine... relative to the right to the state to confine and isolate anyone suspected of carrying a deadly communicable disease. Such public health laws have been on the books in every state for nearly a hundred years dating back before Typhoid Mary... She could be charge with failure to comply when a court issues a compliance order based on those laws ... One is just not allowed to go about potentially endangering others. These laws in every state authorize the issuance of a warrant for arrest. This was done in Dallas only a few weeks ago when a homeless guy who had been exposed to Mr. Duncan in the ambulance and later disappeared. The Public Health Warrant was Issued - he was found - he was arrested - he was confined and isolated. Sorry that so many people have no idea about Public Health Law.... Back in the day when working for the Texas Department of Health I served an Arrest Warrant on a fellow in Dallas who was knowingly spreading syphilis to others ... He was taken into custody - given a choice of taking treatment or go to county jail - he took treatment and didn't skip any.. Unfortunately, Maine's governor appears to be a wuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) Nurse Ratched / Hickox... could be confined by law - if rampant political correctness which is also spreading does not get in the way ... She could be found guilty of failure to comply with Public Health Laws of the State of Maine... relative to the right to the state to confine and isolate anyone suspected of carrying a deadly communicable disease. Such public health laws have been on the books in every state for nearly a hundred years dating back before Typhoid Mary... She could be charge with failure to comply when a court issues a compliance order based on those laws ... One is just not allowed to go about potentially endangering others. These laws in every state authorize the issuance of a warrant for arrest. This was done in Dallas only a few weeks ago when a homeless guy who had been exposed to Mr. Duncan in the ambulance and later disappeared. The Public Health Warrant was Issued - he was found - he was arrested - he was confined and isolated. Sorry that so many people have no idea about Public Health Law.... Back in the day when working for the Texas Department of Health I served an Arrest Warrant on a fellow in Dallas who was knowingly spreading syphilis to others ... He was taken into custody - given a choice of taking treatment or go to county jail - he took treatment and didn't skip any.. Unfortunately, Maine's governor appears to be a wuss. As I suspected "if rampant political correctness which is also spreading does not get in the way" The Governor has caught the disease called "Line in the Sand --- that Red Line" drawn by obama... don't cross it ... or or or ... I'll go play golf... and Unfriend you on my FB page... Edited October 31, 2014 by JDGRUEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampolee Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) Well that international tourist destination North Korea is not admitting any one to the country who may have had or has had any contact at all with any region, area ,person or things where Ebola might be present,. Panic has swept through North Korea as they watched their thriving tourist industry killed off. Good enough for America so North Korea proves yet again its superiority over the rest of the world Edited October 31, 2014 by siampolee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F430murci Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 No matter where she goes and what she does, she will be forever "Ebola Nurse." Serves her right. This! Most will look down on her or have a negative view if her professionally and as a person. While I do agree that she perhaps poses no risk, screw this selfish POS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JDGRUEN Posted November 1, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) The judge has made the ruling and this is how it will stand... The judge thinks everyone else is confused -- but seem he has no idea what a quarantine is issued for... Not AFTER someone shows symptoms - but BEFORE they do so as not to have people exposed at the unknown time of eruption of symptoms and infectiousness ... A quarantine is issued to keep people isolated because of their prior exposure and a statistical likelihood they they can and maybe will present symptoms whether they are present or not at the time of quarantine... If she shows up with symptoms tomorrow morning and then had the ability to infect others - you cannot put the genie back in the bottle... She would potentially infect others while having coffee at the local cafe -- a little projectile vomiting anyone with your donuts? Until she passes at least the 21 days period of average incubation - as with Dr. Spencer she is capable of becoming symptomatic and infectious in an hours time... The Judge is powerful and ignorant of science and medicine.... while claiming everyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. Political Correctness is a disease nearly as bad as Ebola - because when applied in the wrong situation it can well kill people. Judge rejects Ebola quarantine for nurseIn a case that has come to encapsulate the clash in the U.S. between personal freedom and fear of Ebola, Judge Charles C. LaVerdiere ruled that Hickox must continue daily monitoring of her health but said there is no need to isolate her or restrict her movements because she has no symptoms and is therefore not contagious. http://www.boston.com/health/2014/10/31/life-goes-for-nurse-standoff-over-ebola/awzE7ZCdauw9d3g1MkYvzH/story.html Edited November 1, 2014 by JDGRUEN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chuckd Posted November 1, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2014 This also out yesterday: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Report: Kaci Hickox’s Roommate In Africa Has Ebola 5:18 PM 10/31/2014 SARAH HURTUBISE Reporter A Maine official said Friday that Kaci Hickox’s roommate while she helped Ebola patients in Africa has been diagnosed with Ebola, WAGM-TV reports. “The respondent’s roommate in Africa became infected without knowing how she became infected with Ebola,” said Sheila Pinette with the Maine Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, adding that “any potential risk to respondent from that incident has passed.” It’s also unclear exactly how Dallas nurses Nina Pham and Amber Vinson, the only two people to become infected with Ebola within the U.S., contracted the disease. More here: http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/31/report-kaci-hickoxs-roommate-in-africa-has-ebola/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ulysses G. Posted November 1, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2014 Another country defies political correctness in favor of common sense: No visas for Ebola countries: Canada http://www.baytoday.ca/content/news/national/details.asp?c=68571 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Another country defies political correctness in favor of common sense: No visas for Ebola countries: Canada http://www.baytoday.ca/content/news/national/details.asp?c=68571 This is quite significant. This might be just what is needed for some well-intentioned liberals to reconsider their position of trust in the WH agenda. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 For those of you in favor of travel bans, I have a question. How do we know when the situation is "all clear"? What specific indicators should we look at to determine when the ban can be lifted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) WHO - the World Health Organization has published that information as to when an Ebola Epidemic is over .... try google And - travel bans are only a partial answer -- stopping issuance of Visas to residence of Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia would be an excellent way to begin to get a handle on controlling Ebola occurrence in the USA Edited November 4, 2014 by JDGRUEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) Well according to another poster I can't be trusted to interpret search engine results. Perhaps you know him: your posts make little sense except for a feeble attempts to turn tables around and you stumble over the table legs a lot... all the while you are trying to be erudite but have to go look it up on google to know what it means. I want to hear from the posters who are in favor of the bans - posters who seem to be a bottomless pit of strong opinions at all other times but when an opinion is asked, I'm suddenly referred over to the WHO. I'll take that to mean you have no opinion and are deferring to the experts. Edited November 4, 2014 by attrayant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 You have already gotten an answer: "WHO - the World Health Organization has published that information as to when an Ebola Epidemic is over .... try google". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) If the question is "what's your opinion", the answer cannot be "try Google". It just can't. If you don't understand that, then I don't know how to make it any simpler. Now if your opinion is the same as that of the authority you're referring me to, then just come out and say it without the double-talk. Try it, it's easy: "I agree with the WHO on when to declare an epidemic at an end and lift a travel ban." See how easy that was? Edited November 4, 2014 by attrayant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 JDOOGLE... for those who have not learned how to use google... I have posted these and several other WHO links in the various Ebola threads at least 3-4 times now.... World Health Organization - WHO ... http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/14-october-2014/en/ How does WHO declare the end of an Ebola outbreak? Incubation periodThe period of 42 days, with active case-finding in place, is twice the maximum incubation period for Ebola virus disease and is considered by WHO as sufficient to generate confidence in a declaration that an Ebola outbreak has ended. Recent studies conducted in West Africa have demonstrated that 95% of confirmed cases have an incubation period in the range of 1 to 21 days; 98% have an incubation period that falls within the 1 to 42 day interval. WHO is therefore confident that detection of no new cases, with active surveillance in place, throughout this 42-day period means that an Ebola outbreak is indeed over. *************************************************************** Overall WHO site http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/en/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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