DNA results from Ko Tao village head’s son don't match traces on slain British tourists

[thailandchilli]

Actually we do know that CSI reaches over 3 million people daily. Stats are out there if you care to look, but that pales into insignificance with the 10's of millions of people who also read the press and watch tv to listen to and read the damning reports on this case.

We know that from csila. LOL

Plus, since people who may not agree with the conspiracy theories on csila also look at it... We can ascertain nothing from the numbers.

The same for other press sources. Clicks neither represent actual views nor agreement.

No we know that from the public stats on facebook, strange how you also make previous statements that some articles online in the media are published just for views, still we are used to you're contradictions

Strange how that is not what I said.

I am used to people not being able to read

So you didn't say

"Such amazing worldwide attention that business on the island is up, according to the Guardian"

and then in a response to the same article that didn't fit your view you said

"Just marketing by the Guardian. Sells papers /page views"

Would you like the link for that, sounds like you either have a memory problem or...........

Edited December 2, 2014 by thailandchilli

[Mooner]

For the ones who followed the OJ case, the similarities are scary!

OJ:

1) a bloody trail from the murder scene to his house was indisputable

2) a car full with blood spatters and walkway

3) a DNA match with his blood & DNA of Nicole & Ron was found (not tampered)

4) a knife was missing from a knife box

5) a matching bloody shoe prints in the walkway at Nicole's

6) a bloody glove at his estate and bloody socks in the bedroom

7) a cut at his finger

8) an escape attempt in the Bronco

B2:

1) NO bloody trail from the murder scene to their room

2) NO room full with blood spatters, not even a tiny single drop was found

3) NO DNA match the first round, 2nd DNA round in 12 hours??

4) NO 2nd murder weapon was ever found, NO DNA on the hoe from David

5) NO matching foot prints in the sand

6) NO bloody clothes at their room, nothing, they were sleeping like baby's

7) NO cuts, bruises at them at all, yeah makes sense too. David versus Goliath

8) NO escape attempt from Koh Tao for two weeks!

The crazy thing, OJ got off the hook due to his brilliant lawyers "dream-team" who managed to convince a not too bright jury non tampered DNA was tampered with. The scary thing, the B2 will not have a dream-team, there will be no jury, and the Thai court will probably convict on tampered DNA!

It is very worrying these guys could be put to death by lethal injection (soon)!

Welcome to Thailand the land of smiles!

There are so many errors in your assessment of the 2 Burmese men accused of being the killers.

Instead of being flippant why don't you address his assessment?

[jabis]

Actually we do know that CSI reaches over 3 million people daily. Stats are out there if you care to look, but that pales into insignificance with the 10's of millions of people who also read the press and watch tv to listen to and read the damning reports on this case.

We know that from csila. LOL

Plus, since people who may not agree with the conspiracy theories on csila also look at it... We can ascertain nothing from the numbers.

The same for other press sources. Clicks neither represent actual views nor agreement.

Well we can draw some conclusions from the page's likes-tab (showing live stats), and the relevant weekly additions to the "fan" base, attendance to the conversations via shares/commenting on shares.

82,672 People Talking About This

424,298 Total Page Likes

up 0.7% from last week

with 2,996 New Page Likes

you can get these from any page by appending /likes to the facebook page URL (into the address bar in your browser)

The other figures come from the owner of the page, who has the "insights"-tabs at his disposal for reporting the "in-depth" stats and trends over his page.

[simonuk]

For the ones who followed the OJ case, the similarities are scary!

OJ:

1) a bloody trail from the murder scene to his house was indisputable

2) a car full with blood spatters and walkway

3) a DNA match with his blood & DNA of Nicole & Ron was found (not tampered)

4) a knife was missing from a knife box

5) a matching bloody shoe prints in the walkway at Nicole's

6) a bloody glove at his estate and bloody socks in the bedroom

7) a cut at his finger

8) an escape attempt in the Bronco

B2:

1) NO bloody trail from the murder scene to their room

2) NO room full with blood spatters, not even a tiny single drop was found

3) NO DNA match the first round, 2nd DNA round in 12 hours??

4) NO 2nd murder weapon was ever found, NO DNA on the hoe from David

5) NO matching foot prints in the sand

6) NO bloody clothes at their room, nothing, they were sleeping like baby's

7) NO cuts, bruises at them at all, yeah makes sense too. David versus Goliath

8) NO escape attempt from Koh Tao for two weeks!

The crazy thing, OJ got off the hook due to his brilliant lawyers "dream-team" who managed to convince a not too bright jury non tampered DNA was tampered with. The scary thing, the B2 will not have a dream-team, there will be no jury, and the Thai court will probably convict on tampered DNA!

It is very worrying these guys could be put to death by lethal injection (soon)!

Welcome to Thailand the land of smiles!

There are so many errors in your assessment of the 2 Burmese men accused of being the killers.

Elaborate please JD. Preferably without deflecting anything too.

This is not the OJ case.

Ocean (so no blood trail) same for the room.

First round of DNA ran tests on 36 of 80

Footprints - sand.

Clothes destroyed

No need for cuts or bruises

One captured off the island with dyed hair

You want us to take you seriously ??

Please elaborate in a way that makes your statements understandable.

Ocean so no blood trail?? --I think blood trail is a figure of speech not a literal single unbroken line of blood from the victim to the perp.

First round of da 36 from 80. - What does that mean how do you know who was tested?

Footprints - do Thai investigators have footprint análisis skills? I doubt it its highly skilled. Also crime scene was trampled all over before sunrise.

Clothes destroyed- how do you know??

No need for cuts and bruises- were you watching? Did you see what happened?

[jdinasia]

Actually we do know that CSI reaches over 3 million people daily. Stats are out there if you care to look, but that pales into insignificance with the 10's of millions of people who also read the press and watch tv to listen to and read the damning reports on this case.

We know that from csila. LOL

Plus, since people who may not agree with the conspiracy theories on csila also look at it... We can ascertain nothing from the numbers.

The same for other press sources. Clicks neither represent actual views nor agreement.

No we know that from the public stats on facebook, strange how you also make previous statements that some articles online in the media are published just for views, still we are used to you're contradictions

Strange how that is not what I said.

I am used to people not being able to read

So you didn't say

"Such amazing worldwide attention that business on the island is up, according to the Guardian"

and then in a response to the same article that didn't fit your view you said

"Just marketing by the Guardian. Sells papers /page views"

Would you like the link for that, sounds like you either have a memory problem or...........

Yes please

[thailandchilli]

Actually we do know that CSI reaches over 3 million people daily. Stats are out there if you care to look, but that pales into insignificance with the 10's of millions of people who also read the press and watch tv to listen to and read the damning reports on this case.

We know that from csila. LOL

Plus, since people who may not agree with the conspiracy theories on csila also look at it... We can ascertain nothing from the numbers.

The same for other press sources. Clicks neither represent actual views nor agreement.

Well we can draw some conclusions from the page's likes-tab (showing live stats), and the relevant weekly additions to the "fan" base, attendance to the conversations via shares/commenting on shares.

82,672 People Talking About This

424,298 Total Page Likes

up 0.7% from last week

with 2,996 New Page Likes

you can get these from any page by appending /likes to the facebook page URL (into the address bar in your browser)

The other figures come from the owner of the page, who has the "insights"-tabs at his disposal for reporting the "in-depth" stats and trends over his page.

He also posted a screen shot of his insights, cant post the image here it'll get taken down but this is from 6th Oct for people reached

Thailand: 3,562,489

UK: 63,053

USA: 61,938

Myanmar: 42,368

Australia: 37,093

and the list goes on........................

[jdinasia]

Actually we do know that CSI reaches over 3 million people daily. Stats are out there if you care to look, but that pales into insignificance with the 10's of millions of people who also read the press and watch tv to listen to and read the damning reports on this case.

We know that from csila. LOL

Plus, since people who may not agree with the conspiracy theories on csila also look at it... We can ascertain nothing from the numbers.

The same for other press sources. Clicks neither represent actual views nor agreement.

Well we can draw some conclusions from the page's likes-tab (showing live stats), and the relevant weekly additions to the "fan" base, attendance to the conversations via shares/commenting on shares.

82,672 People Talking About This

424,298 Total Page Likes

up 0.7% from last week

with 2,996 New Page Likes

you can get these from any page by appending /likes to the facebook page URL (into the address bar in your browser)

The other figures come from the owner of the page, who has the "insights"-tabs at his disposal for reporting the "in-depth" stats and trends over his page.

So, less than 83k people have commented at least once, and less than 1% growth in a week.

Thanks

Edited December 2, 2014 by jdinasia

[jabis]

Actually we do know that CSI reaches over 3 million people daily. Stats are out there if you care to look, but that pales into insignificance with the 10's of millions of people who also read the press and watch tv to listen to and read the damning reports on this case.

We know that from csila. LOL

Plus, since people who may not agree with the conspiracy theories on csila also look at it... We can ascertain nothing from the numbers.

The same for other press sources. Clicks neither represent actual views nor agreement.

Well we can draw some conclusions from the page's likes-tab (showing live stats), and the relevant weekly additions to the "fan" base, attendance to the conversations via shares/commenting on shares.

82,672 People Talking About This

424,298 Total Page Likes

up 0.7% from last week

with 2,996 New Page Likes

you can get these from any page by appending /likes to the facebook page URL (into the address bar in your browser)

The other figures come from the owner of the page, who has the "insights"-tabs at his disposal for reporting the "in-depth" stats and trends over his page.

So, less than 83k people have commented at least once, and less than 1% growth in a week.

Thanks

Yes in a weeks period;

"People Talking About This is the number of unique users who have created a “story” about a page in a seven-day period. On Facebook, stories are items that display in News Feed. Users create stories when they:

like a page

post on the page wall

like a post

comment on a post

share a post

answer a question

RSVP to a page’s event

mention the page in a post

tag the page in a photo

check in at a place

share a check-in deal

like a check-in deal

write a recommendation

claim an offer

Whenever a person takes one of these actions, it counts toward People Talking About This. If a user posts a status update about going to a restaurant, that will not affect People Talking About This unless the user uses the @ function to tag the restaurant’s page or checks in to the restaurant from a mobile device. For now, plain text mentions of a topic do not influence People Talking About This, which is meant to indicate how well a page is engaging fans, not simply how popular something is."

[thailandchilli]

Try this one Jdinasia

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/779234-koh-tao-murders-burmese-legal-forensics-teams-arrive/page-2

[jdinasia]

For the ones who followed the OJ case, the similarities are scary!

OJ:

1) a bloody trail from the murder scene to his house was indisputable

2) a car full with blood spatters and walkway

3) a DNA match with his blood & DNA of Nicole & Ron was found (not tampered)

4) a knife was missing from a knife box

5) a matching bloody shoe prints in the walkway at Nicole's

6) a bloody glove at his estate and bloody socks in the bedroom

7) a cut at his finger

8) an escape attempt in the Bronco

B2:

1) NO bloody trail from the murder scene to their room

2) NO room full with blood spatters, not even a tiny single drop was found

3) NO DNA match the first round, 2nd DNA round in 12 hours??

4) NO 2nd murder weapon was ever found, NO DNA on the hoe from David

5) NO matching foot prints in the sand

6) NO bloody clothes at their room, nothing, they were sleeping like baby's

7) NO cuts, bruises at them at all, yeah makes sense too. David versus Goliath

8) NO escape attempt from Koh Tao for two weeks!

The crazy thing, OJ got off the hook due to his brilliant lawyers "dream-team" who managed to convince a not too bright jury non tampered DNA was tampered with. The scary thing, the B2 will not have a dream-team, there will be no jury, and the Thai court will probably convict on tampered DNA!

It is very worrying these guys could be put to death by lethal injection (soon)!

Welcome to Thailand the land of smiles!

There are so many errors in your assessment of the 2 Burmese men accused of being the killers.

Elaborate please JD. Preferably without deflecting anything too.

This is not the OJ case.

Ocean (so no blood trail) same for the room.

First round of DNA ran tests on 36 of 80

Footprints - sand.

Clothes destroyed

No need for cuts or bruises

One captured off the island with dyed hair

You want us to take you seriously ??

Please elaborate in a way that makes your statements understandable.

Ocean so no blood trail?? --I think blood trail is a figure of speech not a literal single unbroken line of blood from the victim to the perp.

First round of da 36 from 80. - What does that mean how do you know who was tested?

Footprints - do Thai investigators have footprint análisis skills? I doubt it its highly skilled. Also crime scene was trampled all over before sunrise.

Clothes destroyed- how do you know??

No need for cuts and bruises- were you watching? Did you see what happened?

I think you can work out the meaning.

They drug David's dying body into the water. Easy to clean off blood.

Not arrested for a couple of weeks, easy to explain no bloody clothes.

The prosecution's narrative doesn't require much else.

Footprints, in sand? Not a problem to explain now is that?

The prosecution narrative doesn't require too much. Place them at the crime scene that night. Weapon ( one is plenty) DNA, and witnesses corroboration of the narrative and the basics are covered.

The defense is going to have a tougher time. "they were drunk, had the phone, were there..... But didn't do it. " probably will not go over well in court.

[StealthEnergiser]

Maybe the B2 Call Porntip in as a witness

Porntip, who is director-general of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, told the Manager news agency that the investigation into the murders of Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24, on Koh Tao in Thailand’s Surat Thani province, was weak and the results not fully trustworthy as police did not involve forensic specialists at the crime scene.

She added that since the police force handled the investigation on their own, the Thai public doubted the outcome of the case.

http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/respected-thai-forensics-specialist-criticizes-koh-tao-murder-investigation.html

[jdinasia]

Try this one Jdinasia

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/779234-koh-tao-murders-burmese-legal-forensics-teams-arrive/page-2

Yes the Guardian article quotes a man saying tourism was above expected during monsoon season.

(which I interpret to mean that your boycott Koh Tao scheme isn't working)

[jabis]

I didn't quite get was jd just trying to dismiss the CSILA page with "just" 82k uniques and under 1% gain in a week - I think 82k unique (remember 1 unique count per all of the actions for a single page) pax/week discussing a page is quite a lot.

[jdinasia]

Maybe the B2 Call Porntip in as a witness

Porntip, who is director-general of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, told the Manager news agency that the investigation into the murders of Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24, on Koh Tao in Thailand’s Surat Thani province, was weak and the results not fully trustworthy as police did not involve forensic specialists at the crime scene.

She added that since the police force handled the investigation on their own, the Thai public doubted the outcome of the case.

http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/respected-thai-forensics-specialist-criticizes-koh-tao-murder-investigation.html

Not likely that she would appear as a defense or prosecution witness since she was not part of the investigation.

It would be interesting if she were called though. Her reputation in the UK isn't going to be that credible, but it remains credible here.

[thailandchilli]

Try this one Jdinasia

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/779234-koh-tao-murders-burmese-legal-forensics-teams-arrive/page-2

Yes the Guardian article quotes a man saying tourism was above expected during monsoon season.

(which I interpret to mean that your boycott Koh Tao scheme isn't working)

Try again, or tell you what don't bother unless you can admit the truth instead of you're pathetic attempts at deflection. In response to my post #2431

So you didn't say

"Such amazing worldwide attention that business on the island is up, according to the Guardian"

and then in a response to the same article that didn't fit your view you said

"Just marketing by the Guardian. Sells papers /page views"

Would you like the link for that, sounds like you either have a memory problem or...........

Edited December 2, 2014 by thailandchilli

[StealthEnergiser]

Maybe the B2 Call Porntip in as a witness

Porntip, who is director-general of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, told the Manager news agency that the investigation into the murders of Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24, on Koh Tao in Thailand’s Surat Thani province, was weak and the results not fully trustworthy as police did not involve forensic specialists at the crime scene.

She added that since the police force handled the investigation on their own, the Thai public doubted the outcome of the case.

http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/respected-thai-forensics-specialist-criticizes-koh-tao-murder-investigation.html

Not likely that she would appear as a defense or prosecution witness since she was not part of the investigation.

It would be interesting if she were called though. Her reputation in the UK isn't going to be that credible, but it remains credible here.

Well she has just been promoted again so she must be doing something right.

[jdinasia]

I didn't quite get was jd just trying to dismiss the CSILA page with "just" 82k uniques and under 1% gain in a week - I think 82k unique (remember 1 unique count per all of the actions for a single page) pax/week discussing a page is quite a lot.

I am not sure those are unique and am sure that there are other stories there.

BTW people talking about this is not measured by the week.

Edited December 2, 2014 by jdinasia

[jdinasia]

Maybe the B2 Call Porntip in as a witness

Porntip, who is director-general of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, told the Manager news agency that the investigation into the murders of Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24, on Koh Tao in Thailand’s Surat Thani province, was weak and the results not fully trustworthy as police did not involve forensic specialists at the crime scene.

She added that since the police force handled the investigation on their own, the Thai public doubted the outcome of the case.

http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/respected-thai-forensics-specialist-criticizes-koh-tao-murder-investigation.html

Not likely that she would appear as a defense or prosecution witness since she was not part of the investigation.

It would be interesting if she were called though. Her reputation in the UK isn't going to be that credible, but it remains credible here.

Well she has just been promoted again so she must be doing something right.

If by "right" you mean that she was a staunch defender of the RTA 'S use of the GT200 in the Deep South, then sure! Why not?

[jabis]

I didn't quite get was jd just trying to dismiss the CSILA page with "just" 82k uniques and under 1% gain in a week - I think 82k unique (remember 1 unique count per all of the actions for a single page) pax/week discussing a page is quite a lot.

I am not sure those are unique and am sure that there are other stories there.

BTW people talking about this is not measured by the week.

People talking about this IS per week. Happened to confirm this from a facebook engineer .

It was originally counting uniques per all time, but updated a year after the feature was introduced. Get your facts straight.

Edit: Also "not sure of..." it's irrelevant whether you're sure or not - I am - those are live statistics from live users reacting on facebook, whether you like it or not.

Edited December 2, 2014 by jabis

[StealthEnergiser]

Maybe the B2 Call Porntip in as a witness

Porntip, who is director-general of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, told the Manager news agency that the investigation into the murders of Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24, on Koh Tao in Thailand’s Surat Thani province, was weak and the results not fully trustworthy as police did not involve forensic specialists at the crime scene.

She added that since the police force handled the investigation on their own, the Thai public doubted the outcome of the case.

http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/respected-thai-forensics-specialist-criticizes-koh-tao-murder-investigation.html

Not likely that she would appear as a defense or prosecution witness since she was not part of the investigation.

It would be interesting if she were called though. Her reputation in the UK isn't going to be that credible, but it remains credible here.

Well she has just been promoted again so she must be doing something right.

If by "right" you mean that she was a staunch defender of the RTA 'S use of the GT200 in the Deep South, then sure! Why not?

Old story and you know she had nothing to do in testing those units she did sign an order and believe her superiors that the units were genuine and I sure she has learnt from that . And she still is very well respected in Thailand except by corrupt police and this is why she has the top job.

I am certain these B2 would not be in jail if she was the lead forensic investigator because she knows the difference between a knife and hoe wound she knows how to keep DNA clean.

She also knows if a gun has been used she knows how to keep a crime scene roped off and not contaminated .There would not be hundreds of thousands of people disgusted with how the police have handled this investigation.

[jdinasia]

I didn't quite get was jd just trying to dismiss the CSILA page with "just" 82k uniques and under 1% gain in a week - I think 82k unique (remember 1 unique count per all of the actions for a single page) pax/week discussing a page is quite a lot.

I am not sure those are unique and am sure that there are other stories there.

BTW people talking about this is not measured by the week.

People talking about this IS per week. Happened to confirm this from a facebook engineer .

It was originally counting uniques per all time, but updated a year after the feature was introduced. Get your facts straight.

Edit: Also "not sure of..." it's irrelevant whether you're sure or not - I am - those are live statistics from live users reacting on facebook, whether you like it or not.

Because you say so.

[thailandchilli]

Thailandchilli:No we know that from the public stats on facebook, strange how you also make previous statements that some articles online in the media are published just for views, still we are used to you're contradictions

Jdinasia: Strange how that is not what I said. I am used to people not being able to read

@Thailandchilli: So you didn't say

"Such amazing worldwide attention that business on the island is up, according to the Guardian"

and then in a response to the same article that didn't fit your view you said

"Just marketing by the Guardian. Sells papers /page views"

Would you like the link for that, sounds like you either have a memory problem or...........

@Jdinasia: Context matters

"Yes, but keep in mind this was done by The Guardian supplying the 2 Burmese with pen and paper. "

My "just marketing " statement was in response to the statement above.

@Thailandchilli So you now have admitted it but said it was in context, really, nothing to do with the fact that you said you never said it at all then

Edited December 2, 2014 by thailandchilli

[Vejo]

Prepared to go to the "Nth" degree to discredit somebody who has very little the case but willing to accept unsubstantiated evidence from a disreputable organisation without question is an interesting stance to take.

[jabis]

I didn't quite get was jd just trying to dismiss the CSILA page with "just" 82k uniques and under 1% gain in a week - I think 82k unique (remember 1 unique count per all of the actions for a single page) pax/week discussing a page is quite a lot.

I am not sure those are unique and am sure that there are other stories there.

BTW people talking about this is not measured by the week.

People talking about this IS per week. Happened to confirm this from a facebook engineer .

It was originally counting uniques per all time, but updated a year after the feature was introduced. Get your facts straight.

Edit: Also "not sure of..." it's irrelevant whether you're sure or not - I am - those are live statistics from live users reacting on facebook, whether you like it or not.

Because you say so.

No in two counts;

1) No because the Facebook engineer told me so, and

2) Because the official framework api says so, "The only real time value IS weekly in PTAT" https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/v2.2/insights#page_stories

Contest that by all means.

[simonuk]

This thread is becoming tiresome as the rtp / family fan club purposefully avoid meaningful debate.

There is no meaningful evidence pointing to the Burmese 2 only a glaring lack of evidence.

[DennisF]

This thread is becoming tiresome as the rtp / family fan club purposefully avoid meaningful debate.

There is no meaningful evidence pointing to the Burmese 2 only a glaring lack of evidence.

Thank you, I was going to post something similar.

Lets concentrate on the victims and allow the rtp fan club to debate with themselves.

[falangjim]

So what the hell happened today? Was there an indictment or not?

[jabis]

So what the hell happened today? Was there an indictment or not?

6th extension to detainment, prosecutor still not ready.

[DennisF]

So what the hell happened today? Was there an indictment or not?

6th extension to detainment, prosecutor still not ready.

Really? Ive seen no news yet.

Prosecutor said case was ready to proceed before Friday??

More smoke and mirrors?

I am guessing the instruction to the RTP to find more witnesses may be a problem although

many islanders may be suffering enough financially to sell their souls.

[jabis]

So what the hell happened today? Was there an indictment or not?

6th extension to detainment, prosecutor still not ready.

Really? Ive seen no news yet.

Prosecutor said case was ready to proceed before Friday??

More smoke and mirrors?

I am guessing the instruction to the RTP to find more witnesses may be a problem although

many islanders may be suffering enough financially to sell their souls.

Here you go

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1417512098&section=