Family of Brits murdered in Thailand say evidence convincing

[IslandLover]

catsanddogs, on 14 Dec 2014 - 11:34, said:

thailandchilli, on 14 Dec 2014 - 11:07, said:

Gweiloman, on 14 Dec 2014 - 10:33, said:

catsanddogs, on 14 Dec 2014 - 10:27, said:

There is a disturbing photo that has recently been posted on a FB page which shows David Miller with a black eye, which leads one to assume that he was punched at some point (which would support reports that he put up a fight before his death).

It seems to me that this "punch" caused both the black eye AND the cut underneath the eye.

Question for medical experts - can a "black eye" occur after death? If not, then the "punch" would have been inflicted while David was still alive which would suggest a fight. Unless David was on his back and his assailant sitting astride him, hard to imagine that the relatively short Burmese would have been able to punch him in the eye.

Hard to imagine but easy enough to stage by the puppet masters

And a punch with one of those vile rings (whatever they're called) might be likely to cause both the bruise and the the cut at the same time.

There may have been more than one person wearing one of those rings that night. I came across the attached photo some time ago. It is from the man's own FB page.

[catweazle]

@jdinaisa, AleG, JTJ

I've asked once before, don't recall getting a reply so I'll ask again.

Why are you guys defending the RTP / prosecution case so, so, so very much against practically every poster on the board? It goes beyond natural instinct and reaction for impartial observers with non-vested interests. Pretty much every one of your posts the last couple of days have been on related threads (according to TV search function).

Are you so incensed by conspiracy theories that you have taken it upon yourselves to crusade against it?

Any logical and sane thinking person can see that the amount of arguments that you guys are putting up are completely beyond normal reason. Not only that but it has become extremely annoying (though sadly within TV rules). I will wager that never in the history of TV have the same posters been put on ignore lists by so many other posters is so short a time.

Whatever your reasons or intentions may be, I fear that they will only have the opposite reaction to that you desire.

Well put! BRAVO!!!!!

[catweazle]

catsanddogs, on 14 Dec 2014 - 11:34, said:

thailandchilli, on 14 Dec 2014 - 11:07, said:

***needed some of the starting quotes****

Hard to imagine but easy enough to stage by the puppet masters

And a punch with one of those vile rings (whatever they're called) might be likely to cause both the bruise and the the cut at the same time.

There may have been more than one person wearing one of those rings that night. I came across the attached photo some time ago. It is from the man's own FB page.

Isn't that the RTP "friend" of the AC bar owner who joined in to threaten and chase Sean into the 7Eleven? (the f----r on the right)

Photo taken by Sean from behind the 7Eleven counter - left owner of AC bar known as a violent weapons lover. Right his friend who (how convenient) is a Koh Tao policeman...

He seems to wear the rings with the ray teeth on both hands!

Edited December 18, 2014 by catweazle

[balo]

Thais are skeptical to the police because of the power they got and corruption , we all know that, you could have asked Thais 1 year ago and they would still be skeptical to the police, especially the local ones. But most Thais do not reply on FB or news articles, they carry on with their daily lifes. The point is that something is being done this time, with the worlds attention on Thailand they will not risk a cover up of brutal killings of tourists just because of one headman on a tiny island. Most people understand that.

As mentioned on my last post, you are speculating unless you can provide some source to your speculation, but try this one:

With 18 million Thai users on Facebook, it makes the country the 16th biggest country in the world on Facebook. https://www.techinasia.com/thais-addicted-social-media/

The younger generation of Thai's are aware of this case and watching as well as the worlds eyes

So you're using Facebook as some kind of opinion poll to represent the population of Thailand ? Well, good luck with that.

[thailandchilli]

Thais are skeptical to the police because of the power they got and corruption , we all know that, you could have asked Thais 1 year ago and they would still be skeptical to the police, especially the local ones. But most Thais do not reply on FB or news articles, they carry on with their daily lifes. The point is that something is being done this time, with the worlds attention on Thailand they will not risk a cover up of brutal killings of tourists just because of one headman on a tiny island. Most people understand that.

As mentioned on my last post, you are speculating unless you can provide some source to your speculation, but try this one:

With 18 million Thai users on Facebook, it makes the country the 16th biggest country in the world on Facebook. https://www.techinasia.com/thais-addicted-social-media/

The younger generation of Thai's are aware of this case and watching as well as the worlds eyes

So you're using Facebook as some kind of opinion poll to represent the population of Thailand ? Well, good luck with that.

I provided a source, you failed to do so even when I asked you to, good luck with your continued crediblity

[balo]

Thais are skeptical to the police because of the power they got and corruption , we all know that, you could have asked Thais 1 year ago and they would still be skeptical to the police, especially the local ones. But most Thais do not reply on FB or news articles, they carry on with their daily lifes. The point is that something is being done this time, with the worlds attention on Thailand they will not risk a cover up of brutal killings of tourists just because of one headman on a tiny island. Most people understand that.

As mentioned on my last post, you are speculating unless you can provide some source to your speculation, but try this one:

With 18 million Thai users on Facebook, it makes the country the 16th biggest country in the world on Facebook. https://www.techinasia.com/thais-addicted-social-media/

The younger generation of Thai's are aware of this case and watching as well as the worlds eyes

So you're using Facebook as some kind of opinion poll to represent the population of Thailand ? Well, good luck with that.

I provided a source, you failed to do so even when I asked you to, good luck with your continued crediblity

Do you think that facts like there are like 18 million FB users from Thailand is enough to support that CSI LA is a credible source and works like an opinion poll of what all Thais think about this case ? Of course not.

But I would not be surprised that the majority of Thais are skeptical to the police, they have always been.

[catsanddogs]

catsanddogs, on 14 Dec 2014 - 11:34, said:

thailandchilli, on 14 Dec 2014 - 11:07, said:

***needed some of the starting quotes****

Hard to imagine but easy enough to stage by the puppet masters

And a punch with one of those vile rings (whatever they're called) might be likely to cause both the bruise and the the cut at the same time.

There may have been more than one person wearing one of those rings that night. I came across the attached photo some time ago. It is from the man's own FB page.

Isn't that the RTP "friend" of the AC bar owner who joined in to threaten and chase Sean into the 7Eleven? (the f----r on the right)

Photo taken by Sean from behind the 7Eleven counter - left owner of AC bar known as a violent weapons lover. Right his friend who (how convenient) is a Koh Tao policeman...

He seems to wear the rings with the ray teeth on both hands!

Is that the same man? Is it the suppos(ed) cop who's in the pic with Mon? If so, that would shift things on a bit in my mind.

[boomerangutang]

In post #1452, in the video showing the reenactment, the boy is instructed to hit the (actor) victim with the blunt end of the dustpan (used to depict the hoe).

Several things wrong with that:

>>> there was none of David's DNA or blood found on the hoe.

>>> the Burmese kid was not reenacting anything, he was being physically handled like a marionette without strings, often with a large man on each side, each man having both hands on the kid, controlling his every movement, inch by inch.

>>> David's wounds don't indicate blunt force trauma - not from a hoe or any other blunt instrument.

>>> Even the sharp end of a hoe (the fallback theory for Thai officials) is bunk. David's wounds were caused by a shallow sharp blade - the sort held in a fist or in a weapon-ring. The sort of weapon a cop or a mafia-wannabe would have.

For the 3rd time, I'll ask the gang of 4 whether the reenactment was realistic. And again, I expect no answer. At best, I'll get a diversionary remark like; "it doesn't matter." or "quit being a conspiracy theorist."

[Mooner]

If you knew nothing about this case then were shown David's injuries and asked do you think these injuries were caused by :

A. Hoe

B. Blade

Out of a 100 how many do you think would say A?

[boomerangutang]

But I would not be surprised that the majority of Thais are skeptical to the police, they have always been.

We agree. And Thais have good reason to be at least skeptical - and it relates to the KT case also.

Is that the same man? Is it the suppos(ed) cop who's in the pic with Mon? If so, that would shift things on a bit in my mind.

It is the same man, and I've said from the 1st week of this case, that he should be a suspect. Unfortunately, for justice's sake, he's a cops, so he's completely off-limits from investigation from his fellow cops. He's even more off-limits than his friend Mon, if that's possible.

If this case had been investigated by adept and professional investigators (who were beyond influence) that cop, Mon, Nomsod and the 'Stingray Man' (a large strong man who is a bouncer at AC bar and who also wears a sharks tooth ring) ....would be top suspects. They're never going to be suspects, and the objective observers among us know exactly why.

Here's the new sign idea for the island. The city fathers can hang it right at the pier where all visitors enter:

. . . . 'WELCOME TO KOH TAO. THE TROPICAL ISLAND WHERE RAPISTS AND MURDERERS ROAM FREE'

[AGareth2]

_{sadly rapists and murderers run free in most countries}

[AleG]

In post #1452, in the video showing the reenactment, the boy is instructed to hit the (actor) victim with the blunt end of the dustpan (used to depict the hoe).

Several things wrong with that:

>>> there was none of David's DNA or blood found on the hoe.

>>> the Burmese kid was not reenacting anything, he was being physically handled like a marionette without strings, often with a large man on each side, each man having both hands on the kid, controlling his every movement, inch by inch.

>>> David's wounds don't indicate blunt force trauma - not from a hoe or any other blunt instrument.

>>> Even the sharp end of a hoe (the fallback theory for Thai officials) is bunk. David's wounds were caused by a shallow sharp blade - the sort held in a fist or in a weapon-ring. The sort of weapon a cop or a mafia-wannabe would have.

For the 3rd time, I'll ask the gang of 4 whether the reenactment was realistic. And again, I expect no answer. At best, I'll get a diversionary remark like; "it doesn't matter." or "quit being a conspiracy theorist."

No, it wasn't realistic, I'm sure the perpetrators were not being escorted around by policemen during the crime, or used a dustpan as a weapon, etc, etc...

But guess what, you were not there at the scene of the crime when it was committed so you don't know what went on, furthermore, asking people that have repeatedly asserted that they don't want to speculate on the matter, to speculate on the matter shows that either you don't pay attention to what it's being said, or you are baiting.

">>> Even the sharp end of a hoe (the fallback theory for Thai officials) is bunk. David's wounds were caused by a shallow sharp blade - the sort held in a fist or in a weapon-ring. The sort of weapon a cop or a mafia-wannabe would have."

And that is the sort of baseless speculation that you continue to push... You have a conclusion and then go fishing around to find a premise to rationalize it.

[catsanddogs]

Was Hannah Witheridge raped or not?

The position that Hannah was left in when she was discovered would appear to have been staged to me. There is just too much contradiction in relation to the forensic evidence to be convinced that she was raped. There is a possibility that she was murdered after David Miller was killed. Possibly she came across an altercation on the beach between David and others. She may have been shot in the head (a policeman maybe?) and her resulting head wounds were an attempt to cover up the gun wound (as has already been speculated). And if the RTP are capable of falsifying DNA results then they are also capable of falsifying ‘evidence’ that semen from ‘two Asian’ men were found in her body.

According to Police (Time.com Oct 10^th), Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo (Win Zaw Htun) were driven by a desire to rape Hannah Witheridge after seeing them canoodling on the white sand.

In a report in the Phuket News (4^th Oct) Major General Paween toldPhuketwan told the paper he spent ''all night and all day'' interviewing the two Burmese suspects, who worked at a bar where Witheridge, 23, and Miller, 24, had been drinking hours before the brutal slaying.

He would only say that there must have been ''some error'' in the police investigation after the bodies of the two British tourists were discovered on a beach on September 15.

''I believe we now have the killers,'' Major General Paween toldPhuketwan last night. ''We have the right people. DNA has confirmed the confessions.''

Major General Paween said he took the Burmese, named as Win and Zaw Rim, both aged 21, through the details of the murders at length before yesterday's public reenactment in which the two accused wore helmets and flak jackets.

Both the Burmese raped Hannah Witheridge while a third Burmese looked on, Major General Paween said he was told.

''They then used the same hoe to kill her,'' Major General Paween said.

''The pair stripped the pants from David Miller to make it look as though the couple had had sex in an attempt to confuse.Major General Paween Pongsirin made swift arrests in murders probe

15^th Sept – Raped? Reported to be YES.

Both bodies were found lying on a beach, stripped naked and bloodied. It’s also reported that Witheridge had been raped prior to her death, those reports were later found to be unfounded. Sky News reports that Miller was chopped in the back and the side of his head, Witheridge’s injuries were to her head (Heavy.com 15 Sept)

17^th Sept – Raped? – Tests affirm NO.

Hannah, 23, suffered a similar trauma to her head and tests affirm she was not raped, although there is evidence of sexual activity shortly before she died. (Tab.co 17^th Sept)

17^th Sept – Raped? – NO.

Police have now ruled out that Hannah had been raped (something they suspected at first) but they have said there’s evidence to show that she had been engaged in sexual activity before the murder. (Thedebrief.co 17^th September)

17^th Sept – Raped? – NO.

British backpacker Hannah Witheridge was not raped. (17^th Sept Yahoo)

17^th Sept – Raped? – NO. Attempted rape not ruled out though.

British backpacker Hannah Witheridge was not raped before she was murdered on a beach in Koh Tao, reports from Thailand claim. Early reports said Witheridge may have also been the victim of a rapist before she was killed but, according to the BP tests performed by the Police Hospital's Institute of Forensic Medicine have revealed she appeared to have engaged in consensual "sexual relations" before her death. Police major general Pornchai Suteerakhun did not, however, rule out an attempted rape but said Witheridge might have fought the perpetrator off. (IBS Sept 17^th)

17^th Sept – Raped? – NO.

Tests performed by the Police Hospital's Institute of Forensic Medicine also confirmed that 23-year-old Witheridge had sexual relations shortly before her death. However, institute commander Pol Maj Gen Pornchai Suteerakhun did not indicate she had been raped, according to Matichon Online. (Phuket news 17^th Sept)

18^th Sept – Raped? – YES.

Police believe Miss Witheridge had been raped. DNA tests showed that she had not had sex with Mr Miller or his friends Christopher and James Ware, with whom Mr Miller was travelling. (18 sept)

20^th Sept – Raped? – In theory YES.

Officers revealed they are working on the theory that David Miller, 24, and Hannah Witheridge, 23, were killed in a copycat attack of the rape and murder of Reading University student Katherine Horton, 21, who was murdered by two Thai fishermen on the nearby island of Koh Samui on New Year’s Day in 2006. (20 Sept Mail)

20^th Sept – Raped? – MAYBE.

Tragic British backpacker Hannah Witheridge could have been raped by two local men before she was killed.DNA samples taken from her body have shown matches to two separate Asian men. (20^th Sept 1clicknews)

20^th Sept – Raped? - YES

DNA tests reveal semen found on the woman’s body came from an Asian. (The Nation).

October 1^st

21^st Sept – Raped? – MAY HAVE BEEN.

Murdered British backpacker Hannah Witheridge may have been raped by two local men, police in Thailand fear. DNA found on her body came from two unknown Asian men tests revealed yesterday. (Mirror 21^st Sept)

30^th Sept – Raped? – YES.

A British student found dead in Thailand was raped by two men while another watched before she was murdered, police have said.

(Indepen 30^th Sept)

30^th Sept – Raped? – YES.

Lieutenant General Panya Mamen told the Bangkok Post: "Two of the suspects raped and killed Witheridge while another one witnessed the murder. (30^th Sept Sky)

1^st Oct – Raped? – SEXULLY ASSULTED.

They now believe Hannah Witheridge, 23, a speech therapy student, was sexually assaulted by two attackers while a third stood by. They are working on the theory that 24-year-old David Miller paid with his life after rushing to Hannah’s aid. (Express 1^st Oct)

2^nd Oct – Raped? – FORENSIC EXPERTS THINK NOT.

The post-mortem also revealed signs the Witheridge may have had recent sexual activity, but forensics experts do not believe she was raped. (Huff post 2^nd Oct)

3^rd Oct – Raped? – YES.

Police said Ms Witheridge had been raped by two men as a third watched before being murdered. (3^rd Oct Belfast Telegraph)

Tests performed by the Police Hospital's Institute of Forensic Medicine also confirmed that 23-year-old Witheridge had sexual relations shortly before her death. However, institute commander Pol Maj Gen Pornchai Suteerakhun did not indicate she had been raped.

6^th Oct – Raped? – BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN.

Currently, the key evidence in the case are the DNA traces found on Hannah Witheridge, who is believed to have been raped by two men prior to her death. Police have insisted that the DNA samples collected from Saw and Win matched the semen found in Witheridge's body. (Khaosod 6^th Oct)

15^th Dec Raped? – YES.

Witheridge was raped and beaten to death on a beach in the early hours of 15 September, while Miller was beaten about the head and left to drown in shallow surf. (15^th Dec Guardian)

Oct 2 Guardian;

‘The investigation has advanced considerably’ Jakthip Chailjinda told Reuters. ‘Three Burmese workers were detained and we took their DNA for testing. During the investigation one of them confessed to killing the two foreigners.

Major Gen Kiattipong Khawsamang said ‘We are interrogating them. so far, accounts from the two men matched and they confessed they killed the tourists’.

Chaijinda said ‘We still have to wait for the DNA test results which we expect to have in 14 hours to confirm this’.

Chaijinda had only just been appointed to head the enquiry before Thursday’s announcement following concerns that more than 2 weeks had gone without a definite breakthrough in the case.

And to end this post:

One police chief said the quick resolution of the case would result in a speedy recovery of tourism numbers on the island. Jaktip Chaijinda, the deputy head of national police, said:

"Today the case should be finished because we want to clear this case up as soon as possible so that our tourism industry can bounce back."

[jdinasia]

Thais are skeptical to the police because of the power they got and corruption , we all know that, you could have asked Thais 1 year ago and they would still be skeptical to the police, especially the local ones. But most Thais do not reply on FB or news articles, they carry on with their daily lifes. The point is that something is being done this time, with the worlds attention on Thailand they will not risk a cover up of brutal killings of tourists just because of one headman on a tiny island. Most people understand that.

As mentioned on my last post, you are speculating unless you can provide some source to your speculation, but try this one:

With 18 million Thai users on Facebook, it makes the country the 16th biggest country in the world on Facebook. https://www.techinasia.com/thais-addicted-social-media/

The younger generation of Thai's are aware of this case and watching as well as the worlds eyes

So you're using Facebook as some kind of opinion poll to represent the population of Thailand ? Well, good luck with that.

I provided a source, you failed to do so even when I asked you to, good luck with your continued crediblity

So with 18 million users the conspiracy theorist site can get 400k likes. Apparently most Thai people don't buy the conspiracy theories if we are going to use Facebook as a reference point.

[thailandchilli]

Correct most Thai people don't buy the conspiracy theories, instead they choose to question the RTP's version of events much the same as we are doing here, by the way, aside from you Jdinasia and a couple of others on here, is there any actual credible source quoted that is also quoting social media and us as promoting conspiracy theories on this case? No, only you. Just the favourite phrase that you have used yet again as you have no other ammo in your arsenal.

Vested interests are important when one is posting so often defending the RTP line, it carry's a serious conflict of interest concern for most readers on here. You have already admitted you have dive master friends, restaurant owners and 'professional people' as friends in Koh Tao.

Edited December 18, 2014 by thailandchilli

[Willy Eckerslike]

BREAKING NEWS

• Matichon: Dissolution of the Royal Thai Police

[Willy Eckerslike]

As mentioned on my last post, you are speculating unless you can provide some source to your speculation, but try this one:

With 18 million Thai users on Facebook, it makes the country the 16th biggest country in the world on Facebook. https://www.techinasia.com/thais-addicted-social-media/

The younger generation of Thai's are aware of this case and watching as well as the worlds eyes

So you're using Facebook as some kind of opinion poll to represent the population of Thailand ? Well, good luck with that.

I provided a source, you failed to do so even when I asked you to, good luck with your continued crediblity

So with 18 million users the conspiracy theorist site can get 400k likes. Apparently most Thai people don't buy the conspiracy theories if we are going to use Facebook as a reference point.

400k likes ...how many dislikes?..I do not play fb so I cannot check

[IslandLover]

catsanddogs, on 18 Dec 2014 - 07:07, said:catsanddogs, on 18 Dec 2014 - 07:07, said:catsanddogs, on 18 Dec 2014 - 07:07, said:

catweazle, on 18 Dec 2014 - 04:14, said:catweazle, on 18 Dec 2014 - 04:14, said:catweazle, on 18 Dec 2014 - 04:14, said:

IslandLover, on 18 Dec 2014 - 02:51, said:IslandLover, on 18 Dec 2014 - 02:51, said:IslandLover, on 18 Dec 2014 - 02:51, said:

catsanddogs, on 14 Dec 2014 - 11:34, said:catsanddogs, on 14 Dec 2014 - 11:34, said:catsanddogs, on 14 Dec 2014 - 11:34, said:catsanddogs, on 14 Dec 2014 - 11:34, said:

And a punch with one of those vile rings (whatever they're called) might be likely to cause both the bruise and the the cut at the same time.

There may have been more than one person wearing one of those rings that night. I came across the attached photo some time ago. It is from the man's own FB page.

Isn't that the RTP "friend" of the AC bar owner who joined in to threaten and chase Sean into the 7Eleven? (the f----r on the right)

Photo taken by Sean from behind the 7Eleven counter - left owner of AC bar known as a violent weapons lover. Right his friend who (how convenient) is a Koh Tao policeman...

He seems to wear the rings with the ray teeth on both hands!

Is that the same man? Is it the suppos(ed) cop who's in the pic with Mon? If so, that would shift things on a bit in my mind.

Yes, I believe so.

Edited December 18, 2014 by IslandLover

[jdinasia]

As mentioned on my last post, you are speculating unless you can provide some source to your speculation, but try this one:

With 18 million Thai users on Facebook, it makes the country the 16th biggest country in the world on Facebook. https://www.techinasia.com/thais-addicted-social-media/

The younger generation of Thai's are aware of this case and watching as well as the worlds eyes

So you're using Facebook as some kind of opinion poll to represent the population of Thailand ? Well, good luck with that.

I provided a source, you failed to do so even when I asked you to, good luck with your continued crediblity

So with 18 million users the conspiracy theorist site can get 400k likes. Apparently most Thai people don't buy the conspiracy theories if we are going to use Facebook as a reference point.

400k likes ...how many dislikes?..I do not play fb so I cannot check

There is no dislike option.

Not all likes mean that the people agree with the conspiracy theories.

Edited December 18, 2014 by jdinasia

[catsanddogs]

But I would not be surprised that the majority of Thais are skeptical to the police, they have always been.

We agree. And Thais have good reason to be at least skeptical - and it relates to the KT case also.

Is that the same man? Is it the suppos(ed) cop who's in the pic with Mon? If so, that would shift things on a bit in my mind.

It is the same man, and I've said from the 1st week of this case, that he should be a suspect. Unfortunately, for justice's sake, he's a cops, so he's completely off-limits from investigation from his fellow cops. He's even more off-limits than his friend Mon, if that's possible.

If this case had been investigated by adept and professional investigators (who were beyond influence) that cop, Mon, Nomsod and the 'Stingray Man' (a large strong man who is a bouncer at AC bar and who also wears a sharks tooth ring) ....would be top suspects. They're never going to be suspects, and the objective observers among us know exactly why.

Here's the new sign idea for the island. The city fathers can hang it right at the pier where all visitors enter:

. . . . 'WELCOME TO KOH TAO. THE TROPICAL ISLAND WHERE RAPISTS AND MURDERERS ROAM FREE'

Is that actually a fact that police are 'off limits' in investigations in Thailand? Or do you mean just in this case? Has his name been issued in any press reports do you know?

[StealthEnergiser]

Myanmar says workers innocent of murdering Britons in Thailand

By Jared Ferrie

YANGON, Dec 18 (Reuters) - Myanmar investigators said on Thursday they believe two Myanmar men accused of murdering two British tourists in Thailand are innocent, but witnesses who might be able to prove their innocence will not testify as they fear the Thai police.

Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24, were found dead on Sept. 15 on a beach on the southern Thai island of Koh Tao. Post-mortem examinations showed both suffered severe head wounds and Witheridge was raped.

The murders dealt a blow to Thailand's vital tourism industry, which is struggling to recover after months of political unrest and a May 22 coup, and the government called on police to solve the case quickly.

Myanmar migrant workers Zaw Lin and Win Phyo, both 21, initially confessed to the murders but later retracted their confessions saying they had been beaten and threatened by Thai police.

But Thai police deny those accusations and say they have solid evidence, including DNA evidence, against the two men who were arrested in October.

A committee set up by Myanmar's embassy in Thailand to investigate the case said they had interviewed about 40 Myanmar nationals who were working on Koh Tao at the time of the murders.

Some of those interviewed were "strong witnesses" who might provide evidence to exonerate the accused, said Kyaw Thaung, who heads the committee, but they were reluctant to testify and had returned to Myanmar for fear of being implicated in the crime.

"If they go to court and speak as witnesses, they'll have problems with the Thai police and Thai bosses," Kyaw Thaung told reporters in Yangon, Myanmar's largest city.

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[thailandchilli]

Myanmar says workers innocent of murdering Britons in Thailand

By Jared Ferrie

YANGON, Dec 18 (Reuters) - Myanmar investigators said on Thursday they believe two Myanmar men accused of murdering two British tourists in Thailand are innocent, but witnesses who might be able to prove their innocence will not testify as they fear the Thai police.

Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24, were found dead on Sept. 15 on a beach on the southern Thai island of Koh Tao. Post-mortem examinations showed both suffered severe head wounds and Witheridge was raped.

The murders dealt a blow to Thailand's vital tourism industry, which is struggling to recover after months of political unrest and a May 22 coup, and the government called on police to solve the case quickly.

Myanmar migrant workers Zaw Lin and Win Phyo, both 21, initially confessed to the murders but later retracted their confessions saying they had been beaten and threatened by Thai police.

But Thai police deny those accusations and say they have solid evidence, including DNA evidence, against the two men who were arrested in October.

A committee set up by Myanmar's embassy in Thailand to investigate the case said they had interviewed about 40 Myanmar nationals who were working on Koh Tao at the time of the murders.

Some of those interviewed were "strong witnesses" who might provide evidence to exonerate the accused, said Kyaw Thaung, who heads the committee, but they were reluctant to testify and had returned to Myanmar for fear of being implicated in the crime.

"If they go to court and speak as witnesses, they'll have problems with the Thai police and Thai bosses," Kyaw Thaung told reporters in Yangon, Myanmar's largest city.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-2878799/Myanmar-says-workers-innocent-murdering-Britons-Thailand.html#ixzz3MFEU9Wg9

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New thread just picked up the story http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/785185-myanmar-says-workers-innocent-of-murdering-britons-on-koh-tao/

[Willy Eckerslike]

Any news from Samui?

[Willy Eckerslike]

As mentioned on my last post, you are speculating unless you can provide some source to your speculation, but try this one:

With 18 million Thai users on Facebook, it makes the country the 16th biggest country in the world on Facebook. https://www.techinasia.com/thais-addicted-social-media/

The younger generation of Thai's are aware of this case and watching as well as the worlds eyes

So you're using Facebook as some kind of opinion poll to represent the population of Thailand ? Well, good luck with that.

I provided a source, you failed to do so even when I asked you to, good luck with your continued crediblity

So with 18 million users the conspiracy theorist site can get 400k likes. Apparently most Thai people don't buy the conspiracy theories if we are going to use Facebook as a reference point.

400k likes ...how many dislikes?..I do not play fb so I cannot check

There is no dislike option.

Not all likes mean that the people agree with the conspiracy theories.

Ok fb do not have a dislike option.............I thought they had a "thumbs down" option, my bad

"Not all likes mean that the people agree with the conspiracy theories"...................................so if they disagree why would they like

[boomerangutang]

(Re; the policeman who is buddies with Mon and who (along with Mon) allegedly threatened Sean with death if Sean spoke what he knows about the crime): satsanddogs asks: Is that actually a fact that police are 'off limits' in investigations in Thailand? Or do you mean just in this case? Has his name been issued in any press reports do you know?

Obviously it's not officially announced (that cops are off-limits as suspects in criminal investigations). But from 20 years following crime stories here in Thailand, I can say that the only time a cop is implicated in a crime, is when it's very obvious. 3 examples: the cop who shot the farang lady at point blank range (and also shot and killed an Irish young man) in Pai. Another: A cop who killed a British couple in Kanchanaburi. Incidentally, both shootings stemmed from drunken lustful rage. There's also the cop who (again drunk and horny) chopped off the arm of a Thai woman when she rebuffed his crude sexual advances.

In each case, it was as obvious as water is wet, so there was some disciplinary action. However, in each case, the convicted cops were essentially 'let out the back door of the jail, when no one was looking' - a short time after being jailed.

In the Ko Tao case, the cop has not been mentioned at all by Thai authorities. It's obvious why not.

[catsanddogs]

(Re; the policeman who is buddies with Mon and who (along with Mon) allegedly threatened Sean with death if Sean spoke what he knows about the crime): satsanddogs asks: Is that actually a fact that police are 'off limits' in investigations in Thailand? Or do you mean just in this case? Has his name been issued in any press reports do you know?

Obviously it's not officially announced (that cops are off-limits as suspects in criminal investigations). But from 20 years following crime stories here in Thailand, I can say that the only time a cop is implicated in a crime, is when it's very obvious. 3 examples: the cop who shot the farang lady at point blank range (and also shot and killed an Irish young man) in Pai. Another: A cop who killed a British couple in Kanchanaburi. Incidentally, both shootings stemmed from drunken lustful rage. There's also the cop who (again drunk and horny) chopped off the arm of a Thai woman when she rebuffed his crude sexual advances.

In each case, it was as obvious as water is wet, so there was some disciplinary action. However, in each case, the convicted cops were essentially 'let out the back door of the jail, when no one was looking' - a short time after being jailed.

In the Ko Tao case, the cop has not been mentioned at all by Thai authorities. It's obvious why not.

Thanks for that Boomers. I'm a great believer in 'there's a first time for everything' so hopefully we'll hear more of the policeman with the sticky-out-ears and menacing face. When those first photos that McAnna took of him and Mon were published in the press my gut feelings told me those two were the killers. I know gut feelings don't count for much, but it was the way they were looking down in the pictures because McAnna was on the floor behind the till - I was imagining those faces were the last that Hannah saw and it made me feel sick. The fact that he hasn't come out and spoken to any press about his innocence is of great concern too. And seeing that picture of him wearing the shark tooth rings had led me to think he is most likely a prime suspect. The nearest the B2 would don in jewellery would probably be friendship bracelets.

[thailandchilli]

(Re; the policeman who is buddies with Mon and who (along with Mon) allegedly threatened Sean with death if Sean spoke what he knows about the crime): satsanddogs asks: Is that actually a fact that police are 'off limits' in investigations in Thailand? Or do you mean just in this case? Has his name been issued in any press reports do you know?

Obviously it's not officially announced (that cops are off-limits as suspects in criminal investigations). But from 20 years following crime stories here in Thailand, I can say that the only time a cop is implicated in a crime, is when it's very obvious. 3 examples: the cop who shot the farang lady at point blank range (and also shot and killed an Irish young man) in Pai. Another: A cop who killed a British couple in Kanchanaburi. Incidentally, both shootings stemmed from drunken lustful rage. There's also the cop who (again drunk and horny) chopped off the arm of a Thai woman when she rebuffed his crude sexual advances.

In each case, it was as obvious as water is wet, so there was some disciplinary action. However, in each case, the convicted cops were essentially 'let out the back door of the jail, when no one was looking' - a short time after being jailed.

In the Ko Tao case, the cop has not been mentioned at all by Thai authorities. It's obvious why not.

Just to add to that, Mon and this police guy were among the first suspects arrested in this case and subsequently refused to provide DNA samples!!! Then they were released through lack of evidence, so both of them have failed to provide DNA, unbelievable and yes above justice and 'off limits'

Edited December 18, 2014 by thailandchilli

[boomerangutang]

(Re; the policeman who is buddies with Mon and who (along with Mon) allegedly threatened Sean with death if Sean spoke what he knows about the crime): satsanddogs asks: Is that actually a fact that police are 'off limits' in investigations in Thailand? Or do you mean just in this case? Has his name been issued in any press reports do you know?

Obviously it's not officially announced (that cops are off-limits as suspects in criminal investigations). But from 20 years following crime stories here in Thailand, I can say that the only time a cop is implicated in a crime, is when it's very obvious. 3 examples: the cop who shot the farang lady at point blank range (and also shot and killed an Irish young man) in Pai. Another: A cop who killed a British couple in Kanchanaburi. Incidentally, both shootings stemmed from drunken lustful rage. There's also the cop who (again drunk and horny) chopped off the arm of a Thai woman when she rebuffed his crude sexual advances.

In each case, it was as obvious as water is wet, so there was some disciplinary action. However, in each case, the convicted cops were essentially 'let out the back door of the jail, when no one was looking' - a short time after being jailed.

In the Ko Tao case, the cop has not been mentioned at all by Thai authorities. It's obvious why not.

Just to add to that, Mon and this police guy were among the first suspects arrested in this case and subsequently refused to provide DNA samples!!! Then they were released through lack of evidence, so both of them have failed to provide DNA, unbelievable and yes above justice and 'off limits'

I don't recall the cop with the ears was arrested, or even formally questioned. I recall Mon was questioned (for 3 hours) but I don't think he was arrested either. I think Mon (and his nephew) were suspects for the first 12 days or so, but I don't think the cop was ever a suspect. I'm open to being corrected.

[thailandchilli]

(Re; the policeman who is buddies with Mon and who (along with Mon) allegedly threatened Sean with death if Sean spoke what he knows about the crime): satsanddogs asks: Is that actually a fact that police are 'off limits' in investigations in Thailand? Or do you mean just in this case? Has his name been issued in any press reports do you know?

Obviously it's not officially announced (that cops are off-limits as suspects in criminal investigations). But from 20 years following crime stories here in Thailand, I can say that the only time a cop is implicated in a crime, is when it's very obvious. 3 examples: the cop who shot the farang lady at point blank range (and also shot and killed an Irish young man) in Pai. Another: A cop who killed a British couple in Kanchanaburi. Incidentally, both shootings stemmed from drunken lustful rage. There's also the cop who (again drunk and horny) chopped off the arm of a Thai woman when she rebuffed his crude sexual advances.

In each case, it was as obvious as water is wet, so there was some disciplinary action. However, in each case, the convicted cops were essentially 'let out the back door of the jail, when no one was looking' - a short time after being jailed.

In the Ko Tao case, the cop has not been mentioned at all by Thai authorities. It's obvious why not.

Just to add to that, Mon and this police guy were among the first suspects arrested in this case and subsequently refused to provide DNA samples!!! Then they were released through lack of evidence, so both of them have failed to provide DNA, unbelievable and yes above justice and 'off limits'

I don't recall the cop with the ears was arrested, or even formally questioned. I recall Mon was questioned (for 3 hours) but I don't think he was arrested either. I think Mon (and his nephew) were suspects for the first 12 days or so, but I don't think the cop was ever a suspect. I'm open to being corrected.

Yes both slime balls were arrested and refused to give DNA http://time.com/3420299/thailand-koh-tao-murder-hannah-witheridge-david-miller/

Edited December 18, 2014 by thailandchilli

[jdinasia]

As mentioned on my last post, you are speculating unless you can provide some source to your speculation, but try this one:

With 18 million Thai users on Facebook, it makes the country the 16th biggest country in the world on Facebook. https://www.techinasia.com/thais-addicted-social-media/

The younger generation of Thai's are aware of this case and watching as well as the worlds eyes

So you're using Facebook as some kind of opinion poll to represent the population of Thailand ? Well, good luck with that.

I provided a source, you failed to do so even when I asked you to, good luck with your continued crediblity

So with 18 million users the conspiracy theorist site can get 400k likes. Apparently most Thai people don't buy the conspiracy theories if we are going to use Facebook as a reference point.

400k likes ...how many dislikes?..I do not play fb so I cannot check

There is no dislike option.

Not all likes mean that the people agree with the conspiracy theories.

Ok fb do not have a dislike option.............I thought they had a "thumbs down" option, my bad

"Not all likes mean that the people agree with the conspiracy theories"...................................so if they disagree why would they like

Not agreeing is semantically different than disagreeing. Curiosity etc, liking a page makes it show up on your timeline

That page does other stories, from blood types needed to missing people. Plus people almost never choose to unlike a page. They just stop going to it.