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Bangkok: New haul linked to ex-CIB chief

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New haul linked to ex-CIB chief
The Nation

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BANGKOK: -- MOST OF the items found at an antique shop and in an apartment in northern Bangkok are imitations and the shop probably has no permit to sell them, a police commander said yesterday.

Police also found ivory items, artefacts, possibly illegally felled timber, antique Chinese and European furniture as well ancient Buddha images, said Sahabhum Bhumtitterat, director of the Office of National Museums who jointly inspected the items with the policemen.

The hoard was found at Sawong Antiques and Sawong Apartment, which are owned by Sawong Mungthiang and Rerngsak Saknarongdej, who police believe have connections with the former Central Investigation Bureau chief Lt-General Pongpat Chayaphan.

Pol Maj-General Prasobchok Phrommool, chief of the police's Natural Resources And Environmental Crime Division, said these men would face three years in prison and/or a maximum fine of Bt300,000 if they are not able to produce permits for selling artefacts. Though most of the items found in the two locations were imitations, they did not include the nine items that cannot be reproduced under Thai law, Sahabhum said.The authorities are verifying these items and results should be known soon, he added.

Meanwhile, residents from Chiang Rai's Chiang Khong district are calling on police to check out the Buddha images and amulets found in Pongpat's 11 homes to see if they are part of the items stolen 36 years ago from a 700-year-old temple. Former kamnan Praphat Kaewta said one of the items most revered was a Buddha image called Phra Sing that went missing in a series of break-ins in 1978. Phra Sing is about 63 centimetres tall and 55cm wide.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/New-haul-linked-to-ex-CIB-chief-30249408.html

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-- The Nation 2014-12-09

To be frank most of these items are worthless in Europe.

I cannot see a value but then I am a Farang.

(Writing this from my 800 year old home with lots more down the road here in Norfolk!)

Ps...must send the wife out to gather some stones in the garden and take to market on Friday!.

Edited by Jay Sata

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Given that a lot of these alledged crimes involve stolen relics and given the spectacular downfall of this group, I might start to pay a bit more attention to the overall concept of "karma". They seem to be getting paid back without mercy. Good job.

......1 word comes to mind.....perverse.....

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maybe if they increased the penalties so that they bwere fitting, 3 years jail and a few hundred thousand baht, they really need to hurt their bank accounts, make the fines in the millions and the jail terms a lot higher. Until they actually make them pay huge fines that really lower their bank accounts they wont stop, everything here revolves around profit so by taking it all they will start to realize it isnt worth losing their family fortunes to be corrupt.

"they did not include the nine items that cannot be reproduced under Thai law"

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what this statement refers to...?

"they did not include the nine items that cannot be reproduced under Thai law"

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what this statement refers to...?

There are certain things that cannot be reproduced by law here, nine of the artefacts fell under that category. The remainder didn't, ie there is no restriction on the reproduction of those.

"they did not include the nine items that cannot be reproduced under Thai law"

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what this statement refers to...?

There are certain things that cannot be reproduced by law here, nine of the artefacts fell under that category. The remainder didn't, ie there is no restriction on the reproduction of those.

Hmmm... I read it differently. I thought it meant that, under Thai law, there are 9 specific artifacts that may not be reproduced (since there was no earlier reference to them in the article).

But my question was more about what those articles are. Pure curiosity.

I'm just starting my morning coffee, so maybe I'm missing something

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"they did not include the nine items that cannot be reproduced under Thai law"

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what this statement refers to...?

I think it refers to the fact that it are Thai artifacts, you know everything Thai has intellectual property rights, items from outside Thailand not so.

"they did not include the nine items that cannot be reproduced under Thai law"

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what this statement refers to...?

There are certain things that cannot be reproduced by law here, nine of the artefacts fell under that category. The remainder didn't, ie there is no restriction on the reproduction of those.

Hmmm... I read it differently. I thought it meant that, under Thai law, there are 9 specific artifacts that may not be reproduced (since there was no earlier reference to them in the article).

But my question was more about what those articles are. Pure curiosity.

I'm just starting my morning coffee, so maybe I'm missing something

I'm also curious.

"they did not include the nine items that cannot be reproduced under Thai law"

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what this statement refers to...?

There are certain things that cannot be reproduced by law here, nine of the artefacts fell under that category. The remainder didn't, ie there is no restriction on the reproduction of those.

Hmmm... I read it differently. I thought it meant that, under Thai law, there are 9 specific artifacts that may not be reproduced (since there was no earlier reference to them in the article).

But my question was more about what those articles are. Pure curiosity.

I'm just starting my morning coffee, so maybe I'm missing something

I'm also curious.

Artifacts that are protected from reproduction, accused of lese majeste, starts to ring a bell ?

Mysteriouser and mysteriouser says Alice.....

Hmmm... I read it differently. I thought it meant that, under Thai law, there are 9 specific artifacts that may not be reproduced (since there was no earlier reference to them in the article).

But my question was more about what those articles are. Pure curiosity.

I'm just starting my morning coffee, so maybe I'm missing something

I'm also curious.

Artifacts that are protected from reproduction, accused of lese majeste, starts to ring a bell ?

I doubt that is the issue. I assume the artificats are antiquities of some kind, which a particular law bars from reproduction because of the esteem within which they are held.

It is like the emerald Buddha if you find a chunk of jade and copy it then your screwed. or try to copy the golden buddha these thing can't be done.

Look like they might even dig up his ancestors graves soon. Some overseas news site are reporting that the shop is owned by a former wai2.gif.pagespeed.ce.goigDuXn4XwDTX7uci .

", they did not include the nine items that cannot be reproduced under Thai law"

can someone enlighten me what are the nine items you cannot reproduce ???

the article surely does not explain that part

So the country renowned for copying will not let you copy their artifacts?

PRICELESS !!

It is like the emerald Buddha if you find a chunk of jade and copy it then your screwed. or try to copy the golden buddha these thing can't be done.

That sort of makes sense.

To be frank most of these items are worthless in Europe.

I cannot see a value but then I am a Farang.

(Writing this from my 800 year old home with lots more down the road here in Norfolk!)

Ps...must send the wife out to gather some stones in the garden and take to market on Friday!.

Thats not true ,look at some of the high end auctions asian art ,your be shocked at the prices ,

"they did not include the nine items that cannot be reproduced under Thai law"

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what this statement refers to...?

There are certain things that cannot be reproduced by law here, nine of the artefacts fell under that category. The remainder didn't, ie there is no restriction on the reproduction of those.

So not like raybans or Levis then.

What a convenient opportunity for fakes. These can't be copied by law. Lol

"they did not include the nine items that cannot be reproduced under Thai law"

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what this statement refers to...?

There are certain things that cannot be reproduced by law here, nine of the artefacts fell under that category. The remainder didn't, ie there is no restriction on the reproduction of those.

What kind of an answer is that? You are only reiterating the obvious.

So the country renowned for copying will not let you copy their artifacts?

PRICELESS !!

Different strokes for different folks.

Mysteriouser and mysteriouser says Alice.....

"Mysteriouser" might have been uttered by the Thai Alice.

The Lewis Carroll Alice said "Curiouser".

Edited by tx22cb

......1 word comes to mind.....perverse.....

..... fools

Mysteriouser and mysteriouser says Alice.....

"Mysteriouser" might have been uttered by the Thai Alice.

The Lewis Carroll Alice said "Curiouser".

just checking to see if anyone noticed!

Nope nobody did !laugh.pngwai.gif

"they did not include the nine items that cannot be reproduced under Thai law"

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what this statement refers to...?

There are certain things that cannot be reproduced by law here, nine of the artefacts fell under that category. The remainder didn't, ie there is no restriction on the reproduction of those.

So not like raybans or Levis then.

What a convenient opportunity for fakes. These can't be copied by law. Lol

Thai Levis are "originals".....Levis factory in the US was closed long time ago.....and the ones selling now in the US are from Thailand, China, Indonesia, etc, etc....Same with Lee.

Ironically....the very much appreciated made in USA original Levis 505 can be found in many second hand clothing stores in Thailand under $5.00 and some in pristine condition. Second hand clothing stores in the US sells those for well over $50...if you can find it.

Edited by umbanda

"they did not include the nine items that cannot be reproduced under Thai law"

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what this statement refers to...?

There are certain things that cannot be reproduced by law here, nine of the artefacts fell under that category. The remainder didn't, ie there is no restriction on the reproduction of those.

What kind of an answer is that? You are only reiterating the obvious.

Why cant some of you people just say "I DONT KNOW"----- Typical load of bull from those that think they know it all

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