Sydney siege: Gunman takes hostages in Lindt cafe

[Pomthai]

terrorism

[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

Whats with the politically correct mob avoiding calling it what it is? Its wrong.

[neverdie]

Whilst emotive at the moment (before you head on in my sister and her family live in Sydney so I am attached too) please remember that there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and only 1 or 2 in that coffee shop.

How many millions of Muslims around the world support what they are doing in Sydney?

Judging by their silence at events like this - most of them.

Not true Pedro.

Numerous Islamic groups have denounced this situation. It's being sprouted on the local media.

[whybother]

terrorism

[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

Whats with the politically correct mob avoiding calling it what it is? Its wrong.

So basically any event that leads to people being a bit scared would be classed as terrorism.

[NeverSure]

Still think we should have gun control?..

Stupid comment.

The last thing that is needed is gun slingers with little or no training running around trying to resolve the situation.

Do you realise some of those Police you see on the TV screens train 24/7, 365 a year for theses types of situations.

Leave it to the experts.

Some of the worst gun handlers I've seen are police. They never handled a gun until they joined the force, and nothing they can do will make up for a lifetime of hunting and target practicing. They don't train and practice with a gun 24/7 either.

.

You are WRONG.

You are talking about general Police. The specialist Police in position NOW, train 24/7, 365 for exactly this situation. I am not talking through my backside. I have worked alongside some of these very men.

Let me assure you they are EXTREMELY WELL trained, prepared and very capable with their weapons.....your comments suggesting otherwise are laughable.

Stop kidding yourself gunslinger, this is the real world. These boys arnt just playing with paper targets and game.

Sit back, watch, keep your mouth shut and learn

Don't tell anyone on here to shut up.

OK, If the police manage to get everyone out safely then they got lucky this time. If they don't then you can explain yourself more fully.

If I was in that room I'd want my gun. End of.

[ozsamurai]

The Grand Mufti of Australia, Professor Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, says he and the Australian National Imams Council are devastated by the incident in Martin Place.

"[We] condemn this criminal act unequivocally and reiterate that such actions are denounced in part and in whole in Islam," he said in a statement.

"We along the wide Australian society await the results of the investigation about the identity of the perpetrators and their underlying motivations behind this criminal act.

"The Grand Mufti and the Muslim community express their full support and solidarity with the victims and their families and aspire to a peaceful resolve to this calamity."

[simple1]

I am in Oz & have just watched the latest TV news update. I know the area of the coffee shop very well. Have to say its amazing that one individual can cause closure of major sections of a city CBD.

At this stage police believe its a single individual who has not attempted to contact them concerning his 'demands'. Police are currently of the view it is a 'lone wolf' operation and so far goes against the MO of other ISIL terror attacks. Police went on to say they currently believe a peaceful resolution to the seige will be acheived - lets hope this proves to be the case with no hostage / police casualties.

Unfortunately one matter will probably prove true, the facturing by some in Oz society by this incident & likely to be one of the goals by these fools.

[whybother]

Don't tell anyone on here to shut up.

OK, If the police manage to get everyone out safely then they got lucky this time. If they don't then you can explain yourself more fully.

If I was in that room I'd want my gun. End of.

For every person that could handle a gun to deal with this situation, there would be 100 others that would cause more problems than they would solve.

[neverdie]

Don't tell anyone on here to shut up.

OK, If the police manage to get everyone out safely then they got lucky this time. If they don't then you can explain yourself more fully.

If I was in that room I'd want my gun. End of.

If the Police get EVERYONE out safely then luck may pay some part in it, but it will be mostly good skills, training and experience that will pull them through it.

You know, neither Tony Abbott nor the Police Commissioner can guarantee it. I certainly can't.

If you were in that room and had your gun.......lucks going to play a big part in what might happen. A slight bit of bad luck and you could easily kill some poor other 'innocent' b@stard.

There's a really big difference. Career bankers should stick to banking, let soldiers do soldier work.

How bout this one....... Get in, sit down, hold on and shut up .

Both of my shut up comments arnt really designed to tell you to shut up.....but rather something that's said to a rookie to get him to watch and learn. If the guys need some advice about document examination or banking technicalities, I will get them to call you. Cheers.

Edited December 15, 2014 by neverdie

[neverdie]

Two (2) hostages have just apparently been released (or perhaps escaped) from the cafe. Occurring now.

Edited December 15, 2014 by neverdie

[Old Croc]

Reports that 3 people have just come out of the doors of the café.

[neverdie]

Reports that 3 people have just come out of the doors of the café.

One of them looked like a male cafe worker. He was wearing an apron.....and there was 3 of them.

Edited December 15, 2014 by neverdie

[Mosha]

Waiting for a police statement. Some question on BBC apparently of whether they were inside the cafe or hiding nearby.

[webfact]

Thai consular office in Sydney closed following hostage situation

SYDNEY: -- The Thai consular office in Sydney suspended its service Monday at the request of the Australian government following the hostage situation in the heart of the city.

The Australian government asked the consular office, all government agencies, hotels and department stores near the siege to suspend operations at least on Monday.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Thai-consular-office-in-Sydney-closed-following-ho-30249853.html

-- The Nation 2014-12-15

[Mosha]

Police say 2 came out of the front door and 1 from the fire exit. Now we may learn what the A Hole wants.

[neverdie]

Police say 2 came out of the front door and 1 from the fire exit. Now we may learn what the A Hole wants.

I'm wondering if they escaped somehow, as it seems unusual to me that 3 males would be released, apparently from 2 different doors.

The cafe worker was struggling for traction as he left the building, hands in the air.

[Cuchulainn]

...........Seriously, some of the best operators in the country and perhaps even the world are there. ...........

Bit like here, then!!

[LeungKen]

I do worry about the specialist police involved after hearing the assistant police commissioner who thinks the plural of you is yous.

(Please note tongue in cheek).

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Edited December 15, 2014 by LeungKen

[Mosha]

Police say 2 came out of the front door and 1 from the fire exit. Now we may learn what the A Hole wants.

I'm wondering if they escaped somehow, as it seems unusual to me that 3 males would be released, apparently from 2 different doors.

The cafe worker was struggling for traction as he left the building, hands in the air.

BBC is saying escaped.

[neverdie]

I do worry about the specialist police involved after hearing the assistant police commissioner who thinks the plural of you is yous.

(Please note tongue in cheek).

.

Strong woman.

[canman]

Yeah.

And this image just sums up Islam for me. The black ISIS flag above a Christmas greeting.

where is the ISIS flag, is it behind the shahada flag ?

I have seen pictures where there has been a clear head shot of these 2 muppets. Why did the snipers not take them out ?

Because the <deleted> in charge are still calling this a hostage situation. I hope that once they get the testicular fortitude to call it what it is, shoot to kill orders will be given.

There are hostages. That makes it a hostage situation.

Yes of course. What I meant was that it should be called a terrorist situation which one would hope has differant rules of engagement. The world has seen the results of far too many islamic terrorist hostage takings. Once the call has been made there is only one option, take out the threat at first oppertunity.

[webfact]

Three hostages run out of Sydney siege cafe: police
Agence France-Presse
SYDNEY

SYDNEY: -- Three people ran out of a Sydney cafe where a gunman has taken hostages and displayed an Islamic flag against the window, police said Monday, adding that no one has yet been harmed.

The hostages appeared to come out of a side door of the Lindt chocolate cafe which was being watched by heavily armed police, almost six hours after the standoff began.

"Three people have now emerged from the location in Martin Place," New South Wales police deputy commissioner Catherine Burn said, referring to the central business district location.

"The first thing we will do is make sure they are okay.

"We will work with these people to figure out more information. We do not have information to suggest that anyone is harmed at this stage."

Police said they did not have precise figures on how many hostages remained in the building but Burn said "it is not as high as 30" as some reports had suggested.

She added that police negotiators "have had contact and continue to have contact" with the person holding the hostages but they still did not know the motivation for the siege.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Three-hostages-run-out-of-Sydney-siege-cafe-police-30249856.html


-- The Nation 2014-12-15

[whybother]

Yes of course. What I meant was that it should be called a terrorist situation which one would hope has differant rules of engagement. The world has seen the results of far too many islamic terrorist hostage takings. Once the call has been made there is only one option, take out the threat at first oppertunity.

I'm not sure if how the incident was labelled would change the rules of engagement. There is an armed gunmen, possibly with bombs (but not likely at this stage). The police would have rules of engagement for the situation on the ground, not the label that people give it.

[aussieruss]

Hi 3men escape cafe

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[Mosha]

Hearing 2 more are out, but the wife has won control of the remote.

[neverdie]

Hearing 2 more are out, but the wife has won control of the remote.

I see a woman on the TV. I only saw 1, but TV is saying two women.

More escapees?

If so, it would seem that 'they're not really that well organised these scum bags.

Edited December 15, 2014 by neverdie

[climbertrev1]

LIVE http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-15/hostages-sydney-cafe-martin-place-police-operation/5967232

Key points:

• Heavily armed police have taken position around the Lindt cafe in central Sydney
• Hostages have been seen inside the cafe with their hands in the air
• Black flag with white Arabic writing reading "There is no God but Allah" and "Mohammed is the messenger of God" waved behind the hostages
• Martin Place and Sydney Opera House have been evacuated
• National Security Committee of Cabinet has convened; Prime Minister Tony Abbott described incident as "deeply concerning" and offered NSW all assistance possible.

BUT don't forget this is not a terrorist attack..... that would be too anti PC.... <deleted>

Oz

I want to know why the Black flag does not have Islam, religion of peace, written on it?

[lust]

Here's a live feed for anyone interested...

http://www.9news.com.au/National/2014/12/15/10/00/Major-police-operation-in-Sydneys-Martin-Place

Edited December 15, 2014 by lust

[aussieruss]

Yes 2girls out total 5out

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[canman]

Yes of course. What I meant was that it should be called a terrorist situation which one would hope has differant rules of engagement. The world has seen the results of far too many islamic terrorist hostage takings. Once the call has been made there is only one option, take out the threat at first oppertunity.

I'm not sure if how the incident was labelled would change the rules of engagement. There is an armed gunmen, possibly with bombs (but not likely at this stage). The police would have rules of engagement for the situation on the ground, not the label that people give it.

Confirmation coming from the media that police are now treating this as a terrorist situation not a hostage situation. With any luck the Aus coppers will treat this terrorist the same as the recent ones in Canada.

[eeeya]

The worst thing about this attack is the constant moaning about Muslim this, Muslim that.. Such a bore...