bangon04 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) the elders of the religion will not denounce this stunt I doubt that! Most abbots will distance themselves from this carry on. But they don't seem to - in all the large Bangkok temples I have visited they have a whole range of ridiculous sideshows based on animist superstitious claptrap and involving "donations" to the temple. Shaking sticks, spinning wheels, releasing birds, releasing fish, buying amulets, ringing bells, pouring oils, tossing coins, renting yellow buckets, lighting candles, tying ribbons, etc etc No throwing balls to win coconuts,or darts into playing cards to win a teddy bear, or tossing pingpong balls into jars, but otherwise very close to a country fayre. As I try to understand Buddism, these sideshows have very little to do with the faith, and everything to do with collecting money from gullible people, who often cannot afford it, or publicly demonstrating a pride in donating money so that others can admire . Edited February 11, 2015 by bangon04 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) The meek will always believe in religious hocuspocus, whether it's miracle healings at Lourdes, "weeping" statues or "invincible" Buddhist monks sitting in "boiling" oil. The monk certainly is fully aware that he is basically cheating, and that makes him a despicable scammer preying on naive religious worshippers - at least in my eyes. I suggest subjecting this scammer to a scientific test under controlled conditions and immerse him in real boiling oil. Let's see how "invincible" he truly is. We all know the result, don't we? The meek? In my opinion it is the unbelievers who are full of fear. Belief in a in spiritual matters or a "higher power" is a sign of strength IMHO. Men of spiritual strength CAN do things like this - who are you to say this monk is a fake? I've witnessed my father in law sticking his hands in boiling oil and it was no scam. Edited February 11, 2015 by Neeranam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 It's time to grill him about his money making stunt not boil the Scumbag. You're ready do the real thing? I prepare a wok for you. A word of advice - never publicly criticize people with powers, especially monks - I've witnessed some bad things happening to those who have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis7 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Religion and business and the Show, its an unique combination, amazing what people with weaker faith can and does to fall for these stunts. it reminds me the quote from Now you see me.. "The closer you think you are, the less you'll actually see." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Good to see Thailand moving rapidly into the 16th century and still believing in magical powers. Well done. Religion(s) like this are the con of the millenia. Amazing someone in the 21st century can disclaim that magical powers don't exist when there are so many things that scientists cannot disprove, even after centuries. Do you really believe that certain monk or yogis etc can't control their bodies? You are showing your ignorance in this post. Do you know how many years there have been in this millennium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostmebike Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Monk cooking in oil ... that's nothing! You wanna see the magic monk round our way. He sits, smokes, drinks and looks at every lady that passes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangmaiRob Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 A 100% scam! Apart from the obvious fact that a human can't sit in +/-220°C boiling (sunflower) oil, just look how far he sitting out of the "oil" and look at the bottom of the pot. It's pretty clear it's a double skinned pot with a considerable space between the bottom he is sitting on and the bottom where the flames are touching. BTW, different oils boil at different temperatures so I just took sunflower oil as a generally used cooking oil for reference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike324 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Discovery's MythBuster should do a Thai edition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Good to see Thailand moving rapidly into the 16th century and still believing in magical powers. Well done. Religion(s) like this are the con of the millenia. Amazing someone in the 21st century can disclaim that magical powers don't exist when there are so many things that scientists cannot disprove, even after centuries. Do you really believe that certain monk or yogis etc can't control their bodies? You are showing your ignorance in this post. Do you know how many years there have been in this millennium? There are many things that can't be proven scientifically, but all of the "magic" that is typically claimed here is easily explained scientifically. That "control" over the body you mention does exist in some form or another by some people, but that is most defintely not the case here, and I would go as far as to say that if you really do believe that monk is sitting in actual boiling oil as claimed, well, you used the word "ignorance" which suits that belief quite aptly. And you are correct, I should have said "since the beginning of time" rather than millennia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chetzee Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Magic Thai Monk simmers in stew of his own making . Barista not the same course as Barrister . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 finally,, a useful monk... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yann55 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Isn't it great to see a Thai person come out and debunk a monk in this fashion This con artist should lose his robe Well, he already lost his self respect and his conscience, didn't he ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyumiii Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) Good to see Thailand moving rapidly into the 16th century and still believing in magical powers. Well done. Religion(s) like this are the con of the millenia. Amazing someone in the 21st century can disclaim that magical powers don't exist when there are so many things that scientists cannot disprove, even after centuries. Do you really believe that certain monk or yogis etc can't control their bodies? You are showing your ignorance in this post. Do you know how many years there have been in this millennium? "Amazing someone in the 21st century can disclaim that magical powers don't exist when there are so many things that scientists cannot disprove, even after centuries." Please, some examples! It would take forever to address all of the ridiculous believed by gullible people throughout history, or even just today. Myths do not need to be disproved, they need to be proved. Virgin births...proof? Walking on water...proof? Waiting..for proof, not disproof. By the way..your post is very interesting. to disclaim that magical powers don't exist would be to prove they do exist....do you understand double negatives? How many years have there been in this millennium?? How many days have there been in this week? If you know when it started and you can count...you got it! I must agree.. There is some ignorance showing in your post. Edited February 11, 2015 by willyumiii 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I thought riddiculing the nation religion was as taboo as other taboo subjects? Be careful now! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastguy Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Maybe Thailand can export this to Asean.. I'm sure their neighbours will be very impressed.... Thailand in the 21st Century... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwyn Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 and yet I would take any wager that the "scientist" would not climb in and join the monk to prove his point.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Even though the TV rules don't mention it, doesn't mean you should disrespect Thai Buddhism. Here's an easy to understand link of the do's and don'ts of Thailand. http://www.thailandbasics.org/life/DosAndDonts.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Good to see Thailand moving rapidly into the 16th century and still believing in magical powers. Well done. Religion(s) like this are the con of the millenia. Amazing someone in the 21st century can disclaim that magical powers don't exist when there are so many things that scientists cannot disprove, even after centuries. Do you really believe that certain monk or yogis etc can't control their bodies? You are showing your ignorance in this post. Do you know how many years there have been in this millennium? "Amazing someone in the 21st century can disclaim that magical powers don't exist when there are so many things that scientists cannot disprove, even after centuries." Please, some examples! It would take forever to address all of the ridiculous believed by gullible people throughout history, or even just today. Myths do not need to be disproved, they need to be proved. Virgin births...proof? Walking on water...proof? Waiting..for proof, not disproof. By the way..your post is very interesting. to disclaim that magical powers don't exist would be to prove they do exist....do you understand double negatives? How many years have there been in this millennium?? How many days have there been in this week? If you know when it started and you can count...you got it! I must agree.. There is some ignorance showing in your post. Go on tell me how many years have been in this millennium. I don't believe you actually know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Good to see Thailand moving rapidly into the 16th century and still believing in magical powers. Well done. Religion(s) like this are the con of the millenia. Amazing someone in the 21st century can disclaim that magical powers don't exist when there are so many things that scientists cannot disprove, even after centuries. Do you really believe that certain monk or yogis etc can't control their bodies? You are showing your ignorance in this post. Do you know how many years there have been in this millennium? "Amazing someone in the 21st century can disclaim that magical powers don't exist when there are so many things that scientists cannot disprove, even after centuries." Please, some examples! It would take forever to address all of the ridiculous believed by gullible people throughout history, or even just today. Myths do not need to be disproved, they need to be proved. Virgin births...proof? Walking on water...proof? Waiting..for proof, not disproof. By the way..your post is very interesting. to disclaim that magical powers don't exist would be to prove they do exist....do you understand double negatives? How many years have there been in this millennium?? How many days have there been in this week? If you know when it started and you can count...you got it! I must agree.. There is some ignorance showing in your post. Go on tell me how many years have been in this millennium. I don't believe you actually know. It depends which viewpoint you take on what is a millennia, 15 years would be the most common answer if you're talking about this current millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelman868 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Ahh... scientist explains to the public the hot oil monk trick. I new it was fake when there were no carrots onions or celery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumu Ali Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 wow There are many Thai Monk Scammers, I do not think Buddha is smiling at them, I feel sorry for the uneducated villagers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verywierd Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Not saying what he is doing is real, but simply based upon the image, it appears that there are bubbles rising up from the oil (to the left of his body). Nor does the fact that he may be not be kneeling directly upon the hot metal is not an automatic debunk either. Anyone who has done any cooking will know that the stuff at the bottom of a metal pot can burn while the rest that is merely simmering in the liquid does not. So he may be insulated from the bottom of the pan by a wooden platform. As the scientist said, the only way to test the display is to measure the temperature of the oil. As for what a human can endure : In 1775 Charles Blagden, Secretary of the Royal Society, entered a room heated by a furnace to at least 260°F (around 127°C). At this temperature the ‘greatest part of a beefsteak was pretty well done in 13 minutes’ and eggs that were removed after 20 minutes were found to be ‘roasted quite hard’. Yet Dr Blagden and his colleagues were unharmed by an 8-minute exposure and their core temperature did not change. Furthermore, their dog, wrapped in a blanket to protect its feet from burning on the floor, remained there for 30 minutes and was ‘little so affected during the whole time as to show signs of pleasure whenever we approached the basket’. Blagden and colleagues showed that the reason humans and dogs are able to survive such heat is owing to evaporative cooling, either from sweating, as in the case of humans, or from panting, as in the case of the dog.Frances Ashcroft, University of Oxford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidee Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 thai science, needs a nobel price or a darwin one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) Amazing how many people here like to have a go at anything Thai. As Shakespeare said " there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy" To not believe in mind over matter is ignorant. Look at the Shaolin monks, yogis in India etc. Through meditation one can block out pain totally. Edited February 11, 2015 by Neeranam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captbob Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The problem is Thai and Lao believe that scam and give money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empireboy Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 ALL religious "so-called 'Miracles' " are disprovable and nothing more than scams if used to influence people to follow or support that religion in any way! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nithisa78 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 This is marvelous. Enjoy the life. Harmony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggt Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Oh...No...tell me it is not true...dog and cat stew...now Magic Monk stew...don't breathe a word of this to the Cambodians or Vietnamese...Monks could become as scarce as dogs and cats in those countries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leo202 Posted February 11, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2015 Not saying what he is doing is real, but simply based upon the image, it appears that there are bubbles rising up from the oil (to the left of his body). Nor does the fact that he may be not be kneeling directly upon the hot metal is not an automatic debunk either. Anyone who has done any cooking will know that the stuff at the bottom of a metal pot can burn while the rest that is merely simmering in the liquid does not. So he may be insulated from the bottom of the pan by a wooden platform. As the scientist said, the only way to test the display is to measure the temperature of the oil. As for what a human can endure : In 1775 Charles Blagden, Secretary of the Royal Society, entered a room heated by a furnace to at least 260°F (around 127°C). At this temperature the ‘greatest part of a beefsteak was pretty well done in 13 minutes’ and eggs that were removed after 20 minutes were found to be ‘roasted quite hard’. Yet Dr Blagden and his colleagues were unharmed by an 8-minute exposure and their core temperature did not change. Furthermore, their dog, wrapped in a blanket to protect its feet from burning on the floor, remained there for 30 minutes and was ‘little so affected during the whole time as to show signs of pleasure whenever we approached the basket’. Blagden and colleagues showed that the reason humans and dogs are able to survive such heat is owing to evaporative cooling, either from sweating, as in the case of humans, or from panting, as in the case of the dog. Frances Ashcroft, University of Oxford. I can create bubbles while I'm sitting in water, I've been able to do this since the age of about three I think. I don't need to light a fire. Would anyone like to come and look and give me some money? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcffee Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Boiling monk syndrome?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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