Next government is bound to carry out reforms or faces punishment

BANGKOK:-- A clause has been added in the draft constitution which will make it mandatory for the next government to undertake national reforms as laid down by the National Reform Council failing that the government may face punishment.

Dr Chuchai Supawong, vice chairman of the Constitution Drafting Committee in charge of reforms, said that the specific clause was meant to make sure that the reforms are the obligations of the new government that it cannot avoid.

Also as a double-check to make sure that reforms are undertaken, the CDC was mulling the idea of setting up a mechanism or an organisation to continue with the reforms after the dissolution of the National Reform Council, said Dr Chuchai.

But he assured that the planned mechanism or organization would not be the same with the CDC.

Due to the fact that there are so many proposed reforms from the 18 committees of the CDC, he said the committees had been told to shortlist their proposed reforms to just three each so that they could be incorporated in the draft charter.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/next-government-bound-carry-reforms-faces-punishment

-- Thai PBS 2015-02-13

So that's that for any kind of democratic party politics in Thailand for years to come.

Who will punish the next government if it strays beyond this requirement

Who will punish the next government if it strays beyond this requirement

The military, of course. They will continue to run things from behind the screen of faux legitimacy, just like they are doing now with their "parliment" and "prime minister." Once they have done everything possible to prevent anyone with opposing views to participate, they will hold their faux election. It's time to start buying small condoms 555

face punishment = get promoted or paid to retire

Putting a clause in the constitution is meaningless because the next coup will simply throw away the constitution the same way this junta did and the same way the Thaksin coup did.

.Good and the first priority needs to be reform of the military and prosecute those who have acted illegally.

As ever the Thai military will continue with their primary function which is not to be ready for the defence of the country but to monitor politics and politicians and be ready to stage a coup having issued the mandatory denials that such a thing couldn't be further from the minds of the top brass.

Who will punish the next government if it strays beyond this requirement

Those who run and always run the country, the military. In Thailand the government is simply a tool and servant of the military and has no real authority.

I think once they let the electorate loose their influence will become less and less. Shows you that they know they don't hare a chance of retaining power in a free and fair election, or why would they be attempting to force a new Government with carrying out what they are not going to have time to do.

.Good and the first priority needs to be reform of the military and prosecute those who have acted illegally.

and make the government thier commanders and not the other way around

So what's the point in having a 'government'? Stop this charade and call a spade a spade.

There has never been a true democracy in Thailand - patronage politics and influence from powerful groups and individuals has ensured that for years and years.

These years have also been interspersed with numerous coups whenever some governments have been seen as threat to the elite's grip on the real power. Equally the years have been tainted - and the people beaten into submission - by military led murders and massacres, think Thammasat students, for example, when some groups have protested against various coup installed military governments.

And now - in recent days - we have the latest junta leader saying that if the next civilian government cannot solve the country's 'problems' there may be another coup and - today - the junta announces that it will 'order' the next government to carry out all reform processes with oversight provided by a pre-installed mechanism and 'organization'.

Which in simple English is this: The military elite complex will continue to run things even after an election.

Like I said at the beginning of this post: There has never been a true democracy in Thailand. Nor will there ever be.

And people on here actually defend this idiocy.

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And people on here actually defend this idiocy.

There are a few , yes

You know what it means if the elected Government don;t carry out the reforms , it means the yellows out and causing havoc again

"mandatory for the next government to undertake national reforms"

Isn't that the excuse the junta gave for taking power, so they could make reforms and return happiness? Harry Truman famous for "The buck stops here" regarding responsibility. But this is prime example of "Thainess": illogical, sees no flaws in story they have been feeding Thai public, public will do it's part by just nodding heads.... maybe they could adapt US generals phrase from VN war "We had to destroy that democracy in order to save it"

Who will punish the next government if it strays beyond this requirement

Those who run and always run the country, the military. In Thailand the government is simply a tool and servant of the military and has no real authority.

actually the government is a servant of the people and is governed by the law - I have no problem having institutions in place that ensure that is exactly what they do - I don't care who the enforcer is as long as it sets the country on a sustainable prolonged democratic path and coups become a thing of the past

There has never been a true democracy in Thailand - patronage politics and influence from powerful groups and individuals has ensured that for years and years.

These years have also been interspersed with numerous coups whenever some governments have been seen as threat to the elite's grip on the real power. Equally the years have been tainted - and the people beaten into submission - by military led murders and massacres, think Thammasat students, for example, when some groups have protested against various coup installed military governments.

And now - in recent days - we have the latest junta leader saying that if the next civilian government cannot solve the country's 'problems' there may be another coup and - today - the junta announces that it will 'order' the next government to carry out all reform processes with oversight provided by a pre-installed mechanism and 'organization'.

Which in simple English is this: The military elite complex will continue to run things even after an election.

Like I said at the beginning of this post: There has never been a true democracy in Thailand. Nor will there ever be.

The first 8 words of your post is pretty accurate - the rest is just a pile of (fluffy)

It is obvious from past history that Thailand needs a very strong check and balance system to ensure that the government play by the rules and actually represent (all of) the peoples interests (and not their own) and abide by the law - it has been a constant series of power abuses cheating and mass corruption that has plagued past administrations and brought them down all the while creating polarisation division and disparity throughout the country - it has to stop

You know what it means if the elected Government don;t carry out the reforms , it means the yellows out and causing havoc again

where would we be without that magic crystal ball of yours eh ?

can you PM me the lotto numbers for next week

And people on here actually defend this idiocy.

There are many, many on here who disagreed with the corrupt and disgusting ways of the last government and wanted to see them punished and many of those here do not agree with what is currently going on. The whole thing stinks. Both sides are rotten.

There has never been a true democracy in Thailand - patronage politics and influence from powerful groups and individuals has ensured that for years and years.

These years have also been interspersed with numerous coups whenever some governments have been seen as threat to the elite's grip on the real power. Equally the years have been tainted - and the people beaten into submission - by military led murders and massacres, think Thammasat students, for example, when some groups have protested against various coup installed military governments.

And now - in recent days - we have the latest junta leader saying that if the next civilian government cannot solve the country's 'problems' there may be another coup and - today - the junta announces that it will 'order' the next government to carry out all reform processes with oversight provided by a pre-installed mechanism and 'organization'.

Which in simple English is this: The military elite complex will continue to run things even after an election.

Like I said at the beginning of this post: There has never been a true democracy in Thailand. Nor will there ever be.

Sounds like politics in USA.

More I see Thais get ram rodded..more I think Thais just dont give a shit!

Who will punish the next government if it strays beyond this requirement

and 'actually the government is a servant of the people and is governed by the law'.

My understanding of Thai Administrative Law is,that it does not give authority to the Administrative Court to change or revoke the Administrative decision, only to give recommendations.

Also there are no limitations in time a decision has to be made. There is a provision that calls for 'reasonable' time, but then again there is no formalization on what is unreasonable.

This means by Law, the only one who has the position and authority to decide to enforce or not, is the highest in office.

This decision can be arbitrary.

No rule of Law by Law.

That makes it very difficult to implement democratic values. Lets hope changing this will be a part of the reform.

See the last couple of pages of:

http://www.aihja.org/images/users/1/files/thailand.national.report_thailand.en.pdf

There has never been a true democracy in Thailand - patronage politics and influence from powerful groups and individuals has ensured that for years and years.

These years have also been interspersed with numerous coups whenever some governments have been seen as threat to the elite's grip on the real power. Equally the years have been tainted - and the people beaten into submission - by military led murders and massacres, think Thammasat students, for example, when some groups have protested against various coup installed military governments.

And now - in recent days - we have the latest junta leader saying that if the next civilian government cannot solve the country's 'problems' there may be another coup and - today - the junta announces that it will 'order' the next government to carry out all reform processes with oversight provided by a pre-installed mechanism and 'organization'.

Which in simple English is this: The military elite complex will continue to run things even after an election.

Like I said at the beginning of this post: There has never been a true democracy in Thailand. Nor will there ever be.

The first 8 words of your post is pretty accurate - the rest is just a pile of (fluffy)

It is obvious from past history that Thailand needs a very strong check and balance system to ensure that the government play by the rules and actually represent (all of) the peoples interests (and not their own) and abide by the law - it has been a constant series of power abuses cheating and mass corruption that has plagued past administrations and brought them down all the while creating polarisation division and disparity throughout the country - it has to stop

Another moon candidate for sure.

So smart guy who is going to enforce this directive?

Need I remind you Thailand has the record for number of coups in the world. 70+ years and 12 successful military coups. This isnt a couple of coups, this is a country, history and government system that doesnt work for anybody but the rich BKK elite. The military is their bidder and facilitator always has, always will be.

And people on here actually defend this idiocy.

Idiocy is also expecting scumbag thai politicians to be given back something that they have shown they have not had the moral value of in the past and getting a different result. Politicians have been given 80 years to show moral value and failed dismally. Idiocy is hopping on the same old roundabout and getting the same result. Hasn't worked so strengthen the rules on them. Simple logical.

And people on here actually defend this idiocy.

There are many, many on here who disagreed with the corrupt and disgusting ways of the last government and wanted to see them punished and many of those here do not agree with what is currently going on. The whole thing stinks. Both sides are rotten.

Indeed, Thaksin govt. was by far the least corrupt in the history of Thailand according to Transparency International, with a reduction of poverty never seen before, with all Thai debt paid in advance to IMF (never happened that before with any other country) and with a record growth of int. reserves and an accumulated GDP growth of about 50% in his years in power.

All this was unacepptable to the BKK elites, which love a country where 99% of the people are in absolute misery and desperation and few ones with uniforms have billions. To ensure this, the most powerful (or corrupt ?) institution of the country has to take control and ensure things are back as usual.

So i would say those are not the right people to talk about moralcy and justice. Of course there were many injustices and corruption during Thaksin govt, but who are much worse than him ,are not the right people to make things better. Is this the check and balance you are talking about ? Who is balancing the military absolute power ? They will always do whatever they want whenever they want how they want. Whatever law whatever Constitution it doesn't matter, they will keep staging coups and the reason will always be the same : we are going to build a fair, strong and powerful nation free of corruption. Do you remember Gen. Chatichai govt ? He lead Thailand with a growth of 13% in a year, that time the fastest in the world. Obviously he was ousted by a coup, because he was "corrupt". Serving the people = being corrupt. Before it was Chatichai, than Thaksin, next one will be anyone who will dare to give some crumbles to the people.

Thailand will always be a land of misery, desperation and violence. We can expect 10-15-20 more coups during this century. All the world moves on, Thailand is always stuck in the Middle Age.

I think once they let the electorate loose their influence will become less and less. Shows you that they know they don't hare a chance of retaining power in a free and fair election, or why would they be attempting to force a new Government with carrying out what they are not going to have time to do.

Agreed, and the Thai people noticeably are lacking a say.

Who will punish the next government if it strays beyond this requirement

begins with "A" and ends in "Y"

Who will punish the next government if it strays beyond this requirement

Military firing squad