Smoking....a startling fact.

[mogandave]

well also these who don't smoke die.....no one can proof if someone died from smoking or would died anyway just a year later.

You are obviously a smoker and in denial

I quit a long time. But I am not one of these fanatics who want to change other people.

Being too fat is unhealthy

getting a sunburn is unhealthy

drinking too much is unhealthy

not exercise is unhealthy

risk sports (ski) are unhealthy

smoking is unhealthy

I am not doing any of it (maybe sometimes a sunburn), but I wouldn't want to live in a world were I someone controls what I am allowed to do.

Sharing knowledge with people is not telling them what to do....it is always (except where he is incapable) up to the individual to decide what he chooses to do with that knowledge.

No, but taxing them is.

Do you support high taxes on cigarettes?

[dotpoom]

As I said a few posts ago....high taxes are necessary to pay for the upkeep of the Health Services for all sick people.....whose resources are being depleted from treating smoking related illnesses, bearing that in mind I have to support it.

[mogandave]

As I said a few posts ago....high taxes are necessary to pay for the upkeep of the Health Services for all sick people.....whose resources are being depleted from treating smoking related illnesses, bearing that in mind I have to support it.

So why not just let everyone pay for their own health care?

Problem solved.

[h90]

I quit a long time. But I am not one of these fanatics who want to change other people.

Being too fat is unhealthy

getting a sunburn is unhealthy

drinking too much is unhealthy

not exercise is unhealthy

risk sports (ski) are unhealthy

smoking is unhealthy

I am not doing any of it (maybe sometimes a sunburn), but I wouldn't want to live in a world were I someone controls what I am allowed to do.

Sharing knowledge with people is not telling them what to do....it is always (except where he is incapable) up to the individual to decide what he chooses to do with that knowledge.

No, but taxing them is.

Do you support high taxes on cigarettes?

And shaming them all the time.....I actually support high taxes , but not as high that only the rich can smoke.

I also support to ban all the harmful added chemicals, which is something complete ignored.

But most of the discussion is made by ex-smoker who are now on a quest to not allow anyone else smoke. Kind of: I can not, no one else should.

I actually think a bit the same after I stopped smoking, watching a happy smoker and be "jealous". But I accept that it is my problem and should not be the smokers problem.

The lung cancer he may develop is than his problem and not my problem.

Live and let live.....

[Keesters]

I consider this thread inappropriate. Health advice is best left to professionals not some random anonymous poster. Ignored.

What advice was that........prey tell me?.................. Reporting events and giving advice are two different things,

It's pretty obvious if you read his post that he doesn't want people to smoke.

And you do?.........I make no apologies for what you observe as being the obvious in my post......... Are you sure you want to continue trying to defend the indefensible ........your comments are beginning to border on the ridicules.

Ever said I want people to smoke whatever gave you that ridiculous idea. Neither am I defending anything another made up thing on your part. Who smokes and who doesn't is a matter of personal choice. There is already enough info available for people to decide on without this condescending thread. The thread is nothing but trolling and troll bait.

[mogandave]

Seriously, is there anyone that does no know smoking is hazardous to one's health?

[dotpoom]

Some people are to be pitied more than anything else.........who am I talking about?....Cap fit cap wear.

[slipperylobster]

Annoying habit....if you should be so unfortunate enough to have a smoker ruin the fresh air, when they light up in the same room. It is a selfish thing, and I never enjoyed watching somebody smoke. It was just so distracting, and disgusting, to have smoke bellowing out of their noses. My dad smoked and had four heart attacks, before a stroke finished him off.

[Keesters]

Seeing or smelling somebody smoke doesn't bother me in the least. I recognise their right to smoke if they want to. I was a smoker for over 40 years ending up at 30/day. Quit cold turkey three years ago. Feel fine except for the increase in weight. Get rid of one thing and another takes over. I think all smokers who quit suffer with weight increase don't they? Taken me a year to knock off 20 kg. Still another 10 to go to get back to where I was when smoking.

[h90]

Seeing or smelling somebody smoke doesn't bother me in the least. I recognise their right to smoke if they want to. I was a smoker for over 40 years ending up at 30/day. Quit cold turkey three years ago. Feel fine except for the increase in weight. Get rid of one thing and another takes over. I think all smokers who quit suffer with weight increase don't they? Taken me a year to knock off 20 kg. Still another 10 to go to get back to where I was when smoking.

I gained as well, but not too much.

Stopped smoking

stopped excessive drinking

control my food.

Somehow not much left of the simple pleasures of life

[Keesters]

Seeing or smelling somebody smoke doesn't bother me in the least. I recognise their right to smoke if they want to. I was a smoker for over 40 years ending up at 30/day. Quit cold turkey three years ago. Feel fine except for the increase in weight. Get rid of one thing and another takes over. I think all smokers who quit suffer with weight increase don't they? Taken me a year to knock off 20 kg. Still another 10 to go to get back to where I was when smoking.

I gained as well, but not too much.

Stopped smoking

stopped excessive drinking

control my food.

Somehow not much left of the simple pleasures of life

Cutting back on the booze certainly does help reduce your weight. Strange thing is I'm basically a creatures of habit. Have a regular diet plan, only drink beer alternate days and no more than 2 big ones. When I stopped smoking my food & booze intake did not change. The weight came out of nowhere. I monitored an acquaintance who stopped smoking way before me and put on a lot of weight. He restarted after I stopped and he did not reduce his weight. He died from a stroke a few months ago. Weight change through smoking or not smoking seems to be a one way thing. Edited March 9, 2015 by Keesters

[h90]

Seeing or smelling somebody smoke doesn't bother me in the least. I recognise their right to smoke if they want to. I was a smoker for over 40 years ending up at 30/day. Quit cold turkey three years ago. Feel fine except for the increase in weight. Get rid of one thing and another takes over. I think all smokers who quit suffer with weight increase don't they? Taken me a year to knock off 20 kg. Still another 10 to go to get back to where I was when smoking.

I gained as well, but not too much.

Stopped smoking

stopped excessive drinking

control my food.

Somehow not much left of the simple pleasures of life

Cutting back on the booze certainly does help reduce your weight. Strange thing is I'm basically a creatures of habit. Have a regular diet plan, only drink beer alternate days and no more than 2 big ones. When I stopped smoking my food & booze intake did not change. The weight came out of nowhere. I monitored an acquaintance who stopped smoking way before me and put on a lot of weight. He restarted after I stopped and he did not reduce his weight. He died from a stroke a few months ago. Weight change through smoking or not smoking seems to be a one way thing.

You certainly eat a little bit more than usual. A small amount every day mounts up.

For everyone it is different.....but what works for me:

booze and weight: best worked for me: only 3 big beer and only on days I didn't eat anything else than dinner. Not anything else, means nothing, no coke, no apple, tomato. Else no beer.

Surprisingly than you are happy with a small dinner and instead of the 3 big beer you may drink only 2 because it feels enough already.

And sport helps. Depending on what you like: Scuba, bicycle muscle. Bicycle or scuba is particular nice because you feel how free your lung is after stopping.

[Keesters]

Seeing or smelling somebody smoke doesn't bother me in the least. I recognise their right to smoke if they want to. I was a smoker for over 40 years ending up at 30/day. Quit cold turkey three years ago. Feel fine except for the increase in weight. Get rid of one thing and another takes over. I think all smokers who quit suffer with weight increase don't they? Taken me a year to knock off 20 kg. Still another 10 to go to get back to where I was when smoking.

I gained as well, but not too much.

Stopped smoking

stopped excessive drinking

control my food.

Somehow not much left of the simple pleasures of life

Cutting back on the booze certainly does help reduce your weight. Strange thing is I'm basically a creatures of habit. Have a regular diet plan, only drink beer alternate days and no more than 2 big ones. When I stopped smoking my food & booze intake did not change. The weight came out of nowhere. I monitored an acquaintance who stopped smoking way before me and put on a lot of weight. He restarted after I stopped and he did not reduce his weight. He died from a stroke a few months ago. Weight change through smoking or not smoking seems to be a one way thing.

You certainly eat a little bit more than usual. A small amount every day mounts up.

For everyone it is different.....but what works for me:

booze and weight: best worked for me: only 3 big beer and only on days I didn't eat anything else than dinner. Not anything else, means nothing, no coke, no apple, tomato. Else no beer.

Surprisingly than you are happy with a small dinner and instead of the 3 big beer you may drink only 2 because it feels enough already.

And sport helps. Depending on what you like: Scuba, bicycle muscle. Bicycle or scuba is particular nice because you feel how free your lung is after stopping.

I certainly did not eat or drink more after quitting. Because I knew of the possibility of weight gain I was very careful. Stopped my weekly bar of chocolate. Stopped my weekly ice cream etc. Even got a new dog and took that out for regular walks and swims. As to exercise, not to good on that score never have been except for walks and once a week to the beach. Have treadmill and stationary bike but never use them. The dog has uses the treadmill more than me. The weight just came from nowhere and has been a real bugger to get rid off. I have a friend who is seriously overweight, diabetic, and has heart problems. Doesn't smoke but none stop snacks. Never catch him without a piece of toast in his hand. He says losing weight is impossible unless you stop eating. His favorite saying is 'i'll go on a diet when I get back home to NZ.' Of course he never does. Walking and water exercise (I'm a non swimmer) plus control of diet and I've lost a lot. I saw him last 6 weeks ago and he was still obese. His jaw dropped when he saw me having lost 20kg since we last met. Willpower is needed to lose weight same as it's willpower needed to quit smoking. Fortunately I have it and managed to use it to my advantage in both smoking and weight control.

[h90]

I gained as well, but not too much.

Stopped smoking

stopped excessive drinking

control my food.

Somehow not much left of the simple pleasures of life

Cutting back on the booze certainly does help reduce your weight. Strange thing is I'm basically a creatures of habit. Have a regular diet plan, only drink beer alternate days and no more than 2 big ones. When I stopped smoking my food & booze intake did not change. The weight came out of nowhere. I monitored an acquaintance who stopped smoking way before me and put on a lot of weight. He restarted after I stopped and he did not reduce his weight. He died from a stroke a few months ago. Weight change through smoking or not smoking seems to be a one way thing.

You certainly eat a little bit more than usual. A small amount every day mounts up.

For everyone it is different.....but what works for me:

booze and weight: best worked for me: only 3 big beer and only on days I didn't eat anything else than dinner. Not anything else, means nothing, no coke, no apple, tomato. Else no beer.

Surprisingly than you are happy with a small dinner and instead of the 3 big beer you may drink only 2 because it feels enough already.

And sport helps. Depending on what you like: Scuba, bicycle muscle. Bicycle or scuba is particular nice because you feel how free your lung is after stopping.

I certainly did not eat or drink more after quitting. Because I knew of the possibility of weight gain I was very careful. Stopped my weekly bar of chocolate. Stopped my weekly ice cream etc. Even got a new dog and took that out for regular walks and swims. As to exercise, not to good on that score never have been except for walks and once a week to the beach. Have treadmill and stationary bike but never use them. The dog has uses the treadmill more than me. The weight just came from nowhere and has been a real bugger to get rid off. I have a friend who is seriously overweight, diabetic, and has heart problems. Doesn't smoke but none stop snacks. Never catch him without a piece of toast in his hand. He says losing weight is impossible unless you stop eating. His favorite saying is 'i'll go on a diet when I get back home to NZ.' Of course he never does. Walking and water exercise (I'm a non swimmer) plus control of diet and I've lost a lot. I saw him last 6 weeks ago and he was still obese. His jaw dropped when he saw me having lost 20kg since we last met. Willpower is needed to lose weight same as it's willpower needed to quit smoking. Fortunately I have it and managed to use it to my advantage in both smoking and weight control.

I found it easy to cut out carbs....without them there is much less hunger. Treadmill and stationary bike is in my opinion so boring that you must be Nitzsches Ubermensch to do it regularly. All the trick with exercise is to find something you like.

I do every day 1 hour weight training at 10.30 (+/- 1 hour). I love it because it is the perfect excuse to escape the office 1 hour and frustrated with all the small problems I can react myself off. I go sometimes on the stationary bike for 1 hour, but it tests my willpower to the limit.

On the other hand going with the street (racing) bike in the south is great, more surveying than exercise and at some point the endorphins kick in.

But willpower is the key to everything. Beside diabetics...who wants to look like a fat pig....not political correct but being fat doesn't look good.

[Keesters]

I gained as well, but not too much.

Stopped smoking

stopped excessive drinking

control my food.

Somehow not much left of the simple pleasures of life

Cutting back on the booze certainly does help reduce your weight. Strange thing is I'm basically a creatures of habit. Have a regular diet plan, only drink beer alternate days and no more than 2 big ones. When I stopped smoking my food & booze intake did not change. The weight came out of nowhere. I monitored an acquaintance who stopped smoking way before me and put on a lot of weight. He restarted after I stopped and he did not reduce his weight. He died from a stroke a few months ago. Weight change through smoking or not smoking seems to be a one way thing.

You certainly eat a little bit more than usual. A small amount every day mounts up.

For everyone it is different.....but what works for me:

booze and weight: best worked for me: only 3 big beer and only on days I didn't eat anything else than dinner. Not anything else, means nothing, no coke, no apple, tomato. Else no beer.

Surprisingly than you are happy with a small dinner and instead of the 3 big beer you may drink only 2 because it feels enough already.

And sport helps. Depending on what you like: Scuba, bicycle muscle. Bicycle or scuba is particular nice because you feel how free your lung is after stopping.

I certainly did not eat or drink more after quitting. Because I knew of the possibility of weight gain I was very careful. Stopped my weekly bar of chocolate. Stopped my weekly ice cream etc. Even got a new dog and took that out for regular walks and swims. As to exercise, not to good on that score never have been except for walks and once a week to the beach. Have treadmill and stationary bike but never use them. The dog has uses the treadmill more than me. The weight just came from nowhere and has been a real bugger to get rid off. I have a friend who is seriously overweight, diabetic, and has heart problems. Doesn't smoke but none stop snacks. Never catch him without a piece of toast in his hand. He says losing weight is impossible unless you stop eating. His favorite saying is 'i'll go on a diet when I get back home to NZ.' Of course he never does. Walking and water exercise (I'm a non swimmer) plus control of diet and I've lost a lot. I saw him last 6 weeks ago and he was still obese. His jaw dropped when he saw me having lost 20kg since we last met. Willpower is needed to lose weight same as it's willpower needed to quit smoking. Fortunately I have it and managed to use it to my advantage in both smoking and weight control.

I found it easy to cut out carbs....without them there is much less hunger. Treadmill and stationary bike is in my opinion so boring that you must be Nitzsches Ubermensch to do it regularly. All the trick with exercise is to find something you like.

I do every day 1 hour weight training at 10.30 (+/- 1 hour). I love it because it is the perfect excuse to escape the office 1 hour and frustrated with all the small problems I can react myself off. I go sometimes on the stationary bike for 1 hour, but it tests my willpower to the limit.

On the other hand going with the street (racing) bike in the south is great, more surveying than exercise and at some point the endorphins kick in.

But willpower is the key to everything. Beside diabetics...who wants to look like a fat pig....not political correct but being fat doesn't look good.

Yeah never use the treadmill or stationary bike myself. They were a gift so no money wasted. Thinking about it now makes me realize I'd never have bought one myself. If you're into that sort of thing an hour at a Thai gym is only 40 baht. Walking is my thing. Try to get in 4 or 5 km weekdays and more on weekends. Dog loves it and so do local residents who have got used to seeing me and my dog regularly. At first they were a bit scared. They see a big dog on a leash and instantly think it will bite them. They know better now.

Used to do a lot of cycling in UK many years ago but I find the heat here spoils it.

Fat pig...well that just about sums it up for my NZ mate. He has family in Cambodia. His new daughter in law overfeeds her 2yo daughter. I had words with her about it when they came for a visit a few weeks ago. Do you want Mary to end up like her grandpa? I said. Diabetic, overweight, scar down her chest from double bypass operation. Taken 20 or more pills a day. Injecting insulin. Unable to get a boyfriend etc. That scared her and now she is watching her daughter's weight. Hopefully we've caught it before it is too late though I did hear Mary complain she was hungry a few times.

Edited March 9, 2015 by Keesters

[h90]

I gained as well, but not too much.

Stopped smoking

stopped excessive drinking

control my food.

Somehow not much left of the simple pleasures of life

Cutting back on the booze certainly does help reduce your weight. Strange thing is I'm basically a creatures of habit. Have a regular diet plan, only drink beer alternate days and no more than 2 big ones. When I stopped smoking my food & booze intake did not change. The weight came out of nowhere. I monitored an acquaintance who stopped smoking way before me and put on a lot of weight. He restarted after I stopped and he did not reduce his weight. He died from a stroke a few months ago. Weight change through smoking or not smoking seems to be a one way thing.

You certainly eat a little bit more than usual. A small amount every day mounts up.

For everyone it is different.....but what works for me:

booze and weight: best worked for me: only 3 big beer and only on days I didn't eat anything else than dinner. Not anything else, means nothing, no coke, no apple, tomato. Else no beer.

Surprisingly than you are happy with a small dinner and instead of the 3 big beer you may drink only 2 because it feels enough already.

And sport helps. Depending on what you like: Scuba, bicycle muscle. Bicycle or scuba is particular nice because you feel how free your lung is after stopping.

I certainly did not eat or drink more after quitting. Because I knew of the possibility of weight gain I was very careful. Stopped my weekly bar of chocolate. Stopped my weekly ice cream etc. Even got a new dog and took that out for regular walks and swims. As to exercise, not to good on that score never have been except for walks and once a week to the beach. Have treadmill and stationary bike but never use them. The dog has uses the treadmill more than me. The weight just came from nowhere and has been a real bugger to get rid off. I have a friend who is seriously overweight, diabetic, and has heart problems. Doesn't smoke but none stop snacks. Never catch him without a piece of toast in his hand. He says losing weight is impossible unless you stop eating. His favorite saying is 'i'll go on a diet when I get back home to NZ.' Of course he never does. Walking and water exercise (I'm a non swimmer) plus control of diet and I've lost a lot. I saw him last 6 weeks ago and he was still obese. His jaw dropped when he saw me having lost 20kg since we last met. Willpower is needed to lose weight same as it's willpower needed to quit smoking. Fortunately I have it and managed to use it to my advantage in both smoking and weight control.

I found it easy to cut out carbs....without them there is much less hunger. Treadmill and stationary bike is in my opinion so boring that you must be Nitzsches Ubermensch to do it regularly. All the trick with exercise is to find something you like.

I do every day 1 hour weight training at 10.30 (+/- 1 hour). I love it because it is the perfect excuse to escape the office 1 hour and frustrated with all the small problems I can react myself off. I go sometimes on the stationary bike for 1 hour, but it tests my willpower to the limit.

On the other hand going with the street (racing) bike in the south is great, more surveying than exercise and at some point the endorphins kick in.

But willpower is the key to everything. Beside diabetics...who wants to look like a fat pig....not political correct but being fat doesn't look good.

Yeah never use the treadmill or stationary bike myself. They were a gift so no money wasted. Thinking about it now makes me realize I'd never have bought one myself. If you're into that sort of thing an hour at a Thai gym is only 40 baht. Walking is my thing. Try to get in 4 or 5 km weekdays and more on weekends. Dog loves it and so do local residents who have got used to seeing me and my dog regularly. At first they were a bit scared. They see a big dog on a leash and instantly think it will bite them. They know better now.

Used to do a lot of cycling in UK many years ago but I find the heat here spoils it.

Fat pig...well that just about sums it up for my NZ mate. He has family in Cambodia. His new daughter in law overfeeds her 2yo daughter. I had words with her about it when they came for a visit a few weeks ago. Do you want Mary to end up like her grandpa? I said. Diabetic, overweight, scar down her chest from double bypass operation. Taken 20 or more pills a day. Injecting insulin. Unable to get a boyfriend etc. That scared her and now she is watching her daughter's weight. Hopefully we've caught it before it is too late though I did hear Mary complain she was hungry a few times.

Thai gym: Not really attract me, but having it just a floor up from the office makes it easy. Yes neighbor hat two Rotweiler: the Thais were scared. But he walked them with the motorbike.....I guess the dog insist if you have a lazy day.....

Cycling: early morning is nice in the south....street bike it isn't as hot as you may think. But I wouldn't try it in Bangkok.

My wife always complains that I am too slim and thinks kids (others we don't have any) are cute when they are fat.... Yes keeping slim from the beginning is easier than diet it off later on.

[Keesters]

I gained as well, but not too much.

Stopped smoking

stopped excessive drinking

control my food.

Somehow not much left of the simple pleasures of life

Cutting back on the booze certainly does help reduce your weight. Strange thing is I'm basically a creatures of habit. Have a regular diet plan, only drink beer alternate days and no more than 2 big ones. When I stopped smoking my food & booze intake did not change. The weight came out of nowhere. I monitored an acquaintance who stopped smoking way before me and put on a lot of weight. He restarted after I stopped and he did not reduce his weight. He died from a stroke a few months ago. Weight change through smoking or not smoking seems to be a one way thing.

You certainly eat a little bit more than usual. A small amount every day mounts up.

For everyone it is different.....but what works for me:

booze and weight: best worked for me: only 3 big beer and only on days I didn't eat anything else than dinner. Not anything else, means nothing, no coke, no apple, tomato. Else no beer.

Surprisingly than you are happy with a small dinner and instead of the 3 big beer you may drink only 2 because it feels enough already.

And sport helps. Depending on what you like: Scuba, bicycle muscle. Bicycle or scuba is particular nice because you feel how free your lung is after stopping.

I certainly did not eat or drink more after quitting. Because I knew of the possibility of weight gain I was very careful. Stopped my weekly bar of chocolate. Stopped my weekly ice cream etc. Even got a new dog and took that out for regular walks and swims. As to exercise, not to good on that score never have been except for walks and once a week to the beach. Have treadmill and stationary bike but never use them. The dog has uses the treadmill more than me. The weight just came from nowhere and has been a real bugger to get rid off. I have a friend who is seriously overweight, diabetic, and has heart problems. Doesn't smoke but none stop snacks. Never catch him without a piece of toast in his hand. He says losing weight is impossible unless you stop eating. His favorite saying is 'i'll go on a diet when I get back home to NZ.' Of course he never does. Walking and water exercise (I'm a non swimmer) plus control of diet and I've lost a lot. I saw him last 6 weeks ago and he was still obese. His jaw dropped when he saw me having lost 20kg since we last met. Willpower is needed to lose weight same as it's willpower needed to quit smoking. Fortunately I have it and managed to use it to my advantage in both smoking and weight control.

I found it easy to cut out carbs....without them there is much less hunger. Treadmill and stationary bike is in my opinion so boring that you must be Nitzsches Ubermensch to do it regularly. All the trick with exercise is to find something you like.

I do every day 1 hour weight training at 10.30 (+/- 1 hour). I love it because it is the perfect excuse to escape the office 1 hour and frustrated with all the small problems I can react myself off. I go sometimes on the stationary bike for 1 hour, but it tests my willpower to the limit.

On the other hand going with the street (racing) bike in the south is great, more surveying than exercise and at some point the endorphins kick in.

But willpower is the key to everything. Beside diabetics...who wants to look like a fat pig....not political correct but being fat doesn't look good.

Yeah never use the treadmill or stationary bike myself. They were a gift so no money wasted. Thinking about it now makes me realize I'd never have bought one myself. If you're into that sort of thing an hour at a Thai gym is only 40 baht. Walking is my thing. Try to get in 4 or 5 km weekdays and more on weekends. Dog loves it and so do local residents who have got used to seeing me and my dog regularly. At first they were a bit scared. They see a big dog on a leash and instantly think it will bite them. They know better now.

Used to do a lot of cycling in UK many years ago but I find the heat here spoils it.

Fat pig...well that just about sums it up for my NZ mate. He has family in Cambodia. His new daughter in law overfeeds her 2yo daughter. I had words with her about it when they came for a visit a few weeks ago. Do you want Mary to end up like her grandpa? I said. Diabetic, overweight, scar down her chest from double bypass operation. Taken 20 or more pills a day. Injecting insulin. Unable to get a boyfriend etc. That scared her and now she is watching her daughter's weight. Hopefully we've caught it before it is too late though I did hear Mary complain she was hungry a few times.

Thai gym: Not really attract me, but having it just a floor up from the office makes it easy. Yes neighbor hat two Rotweiler: the Thais were scared. But he walked them with the motorbike.....I guess the dog insist if you have a lazy day.....

Cycling: early morning is nice in the south....street bike it isn't as hot as you may think. But I wouldn't try it in Bangkok.

My wife always complains that I am too slim and thinks kids (others we don't have any) are cute when they are fat.... Yes keeping slim from the beginning is easier than diet it off later on.

Really got nothing more to add. Have a nice day.

[mehoo]

I can relate to this posting , I have been a smoker for over 55 years and now have emphysemia because of it.

I have tried so many times to quit its beyond a joke but now my wife has taken control of the situation and

rations me to 5 each day plus 1 extra at night before going to bed. If it wasn't for her doing this I would

be back to about 12 to 15 a day. I cant describe how it feels to be addicted and often have to resort to

medication to breath which seems to be worse during the first 2 or 3 hours of a morning when I get up.

The graphic images on the packets have not helped me in trying to quit.Hopefully a day will come when I can

actualy throw the things away for ever, either that or I will no doubt fall of the perch before I get on top of

the addiction

[MAJIC]

The above statement sometimes makes me wonder how people associated in the manufacture of this product, from the shareholders down, can sleep at night.

And yet no mention of how well the tax recipients sleep at night, one of which the speaker is.

Another f'n hypocrite.

I do believe all that tax is necessary for the upkeep of the health service ....which is being drained of it's resources from treating smoking related illnesses.

That's a Falacy, as you can see from this link the tax earned from tobacco products is in billions of pounds,while the cost to the NHS is much less!

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/

https://fullfact.org/factchecks/does_smoking_cost_as_much_as_it_makes_for_the_treasury-29288

Edited March 9, 2015 by MAJIC

[Keesters]

I can relate to this posting , I have been a smoker for over 55 years and now have emphysemia because of it.

I have tried so many times to quit its beyond a joke but now my wife has taken control of the situation and

rations me to 5 each day plus 1 extra at night before going to bed. If it wasn't for her doing this I would

be back to about 12 to 15 a day. I cant describe how it feels to be addicted and often have to resort to

medication to breath which seems to be worse during the first 2 or 3 hours of a morning when I get up.

The graphic images on the packets have not helped me in trying to quit.Hopefully a day will come when I can

actualy throw the things away for ever, either that or I will no doubt fall of the perch before I get on top of

the addiction

What can I say except I feel for you. Take comfort in knowing that quiting is possible. I did it and I was about 30 day. It does take a strong willpower though.

Going cold turkey worked best for me. Completly stop. Every time you get a craving tell yourself OK I'll have one in 10 minutes. Then when that 10 mins is over extend by another 10 mins and so on. You'll be surprised how fast the day goes by. You have the advantage of a good women to help you. Your lucky. If you do manage to stop watch your weight. I put on 30kgs very quickly. Getting rid of 20 of that has been harder work than quitting the smokes. Best wishes.....

[Keesters]

The above statement sometimes makes me wonder how people associated in the manufacture of this product, from the shareholders down, can sleep at night.

And yet no mention of how well the tax recipients sleep at night, one of which the speaker is.

Another f'n hypocrite.

I do believe all that tax is necessary for the upkeep of the health service ....which is being drained of it's resources from treating smoking related illnesses.

That's a Falacy, as you can see from this link the tax earned from tobacco products is in billions of pounds,while the cost to the NHS is much less!

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/

https://fullfact.org/factchecks/does_smoking_cost_as_much_as_it_makes_for_the_treasury-29288

Smokers have subsidized non smokers for a long time when it comes to taxes. Glad I'm on the receiving end now.

[mogandave]

Am I the only one that finds it amusing that the thread started with stating as FACT that smoking kills one in two smokers. Then the FACT is re stated as two out of three.

Adjustable facts, how convenient.

[Keesters]

Am I the only one that finds it amusing that the thread started with stating as FACT that smoking kills one in two smokers. Then the FACT is re stated as two out of three.

Adjustable facts, how convenient.

I see the one in two (50%) but where's the two out of three (67%)? Has it really changed that much in just a couple days.

Counting the smokers I've known and still know its 1 out of 4 dead. The 4 all quit later in life 50, 60 yo. While the 1 died at 60 something. Not sure it was smokes that killed him. He had a stroke. Was a heavy drinker too.

Edited March 9, 2015 by Keesters

[dotpoom]

I can relate to this posting , I have been a smoker for over 55 years and now have emphysemia because of it.

I have tried so many times to quit its beyond a joke but now my wife has taken control of the situation and

rations me to 5 each day plus 1 extra at night before going to bed. If it wasn't for her doing this I would

be back to about 12 to 15 a day. I cant describe how it feels to be addicted and often have to resort to

medication to breath which seems to be worse during the first 2 or 3 hours of a morning when I get up.

The graphic images on the packets have not helped me in trying to quit.Hopefully a day will come when I can

actualy throw the things away for ever, either that or I will no doubt fall of the perch before I get on top of

the addiction

What can I say except I feel for you. Take comfort in knowing that quiting is possible. I did it and I was about 30 day. It does take a strong willpower though.

Going cold turkey worked best for me. Completly stop. Every time you get a craving tell yourself OK I'll have one in 10 minutes. Then when that 10 mins is over extend by another 10 mins and so on. You'll be surprised how fast the day goes by. You have the advantage of a good women to help you. Your lucky. If you do manage to stop watch your weight. I put on 30kgs very quickly. Getting rid of 20 of that has been harder work than quitting the smokes. Best wishes.....

My Oh my Mr. Keesters......how the tides have changed.....You remember somebody writing this below ....could it have been yourself perhaps?

"I consider this thread inappropriate. Health advice is best left to professionals not some random anonymous poster. Ignored."

Edited March 9, 2015 by dotpoom

[Keesters]

I can relate to this posting , I have been a smoker for over 55 years and now have emphysemia because of it.

I have tried so many times to quit its beyond a joke but now my wife has taken control of the situation and

rations me to 5 each day plus 1 extra at night before going to bed. If it wasn't for her doing this I would

be back to about 12 to 15 a day. I cant describe how it feels to be addicted and often have to resort to

medication to breath which seems to be worse during the first 2 or 3 hours of a morning when I get up.

The graphic images on the packets have not helped me in trying to quit.Hopefully a day will come when I can

actualy throw the things away for ever, either that or I will no doubt fall of the perch before I get on top of

the addiction

What can I say except I feel for you. Take comfort in knowing that quiting is possible. I did it and I was about 30 day. It does take a strong willpower though.

Going cold turkey worked best for me. Completly stop. Every time you get a craving tell yourself OK I'll have one in 10 minutes. Then when that 10 mins is over extend by another 10 mins and so on. You'll be surprised how fast the day goes by. You have the advantage of a good women to help you. Your lucky. If you do manage to stop watch your weight. I put on 30kgs very quickly. Getting rid of 20 of that has been harder work than quitting the smokes. Best wishes.....

My Oh my Mr. Keesters......how the tides have changed.....You remember somebody writing this below ....could it have been yourself perhaps?

"I consider this thread inappropriate. Health advice is best left to professionals not some random anonymous poster. Ignored."

Well you could of have me there except it is one on one advice & support to someone who is trying to quitting. It was not preaching to a general audience about the dangers of smoking quoting articles that anyone interested in stopping or starting smoking would already have access to. Together with perhaps with a hidden agenda against or hatred of smokers.

Haven't seen you jump in and try and help the guy. Is he not a big enough audience for you. Is the fact that he already wants to quit and has possibly a life threatening disease caused by smoking enough for you.

Edited March 10, 2015 by Keesters

[dotpoom]

I can relate to this posting , I have been a smoker for over 55 years and now have emphysemia because of it.

I have tried so many times to quit its beyond a joke but now my wife has taken control of the situation and

rations me to 5 each day plus 1 extra at night before going to bed. If it wasn't for her doing this I would

be back to about 12 to 15 a day. I cant describe how it feels to be addicted and often have to resort to

medication to breath which seems to be worse during the first 2 or 3 hours of a morning when I get up.

The graphic images on the packets have not helped me in trying to quit.Hopefully a day will come when I can

actualy throw the things away for ever, either that or I will no doubt fall of the perch before I get on top of

the addiction

What can I say except I feel for you. Take comfort in knowing that quiting is possible. I did it and I was about 30 day. It does take a strong willpower though.

Going cold turkey worked best for me. Completly stop. Every time you get a craving tell yourself OK I'll have one in 10 minutes. Then when that 10 mins is over extend by another 10 mins and so on. You'll be surprised how fast the day goes by. You have the advantage of a good women to help you. Your lucky. If you do manage to stop watch your weight. I put on 30kgs very quickly. Getting rid of 20 of that has been harder work than quitting the smokes. Best wishes.....

My Oh my Mr. Keesters......how the tides have changed.....You remember somebody writing this below ....could it have been yourself perhaps?

"I consider this thread inappropriate. Health advice is best left to professionals not some random anonymous poster. Ignored."

Well you could of have me there except it is one on one advice & support to someone who is trying to quitting. It was not preaching to a general audience about the dangers of smoking quoting articles that anyone interested in stopping or starting smoking would already have access to. Together with perhaps with a hidden agenda against or hatred of smokers.

Haven't seen you jump in and try and help the guy. Is he not a big enough audience for you. Is the fact that he already wants to quit and has possibly a life threatening disease caused by smoking enough for you.

I suggest Mr. Keesters that you check your facts first before making accusations about me not jumping in anywhere, by asking the person in question first.

Your comments were made for all to see, they were not in the form of a PM to "mehoo". You were writing to the same audience I was writing to.

Mr. Keesters, I have spent the last 42 years of my life sharing how I recovered from another addiction in schools, hospitals and universities, in fact, anywhere that I have been invited to. I do this in grattitude to those people who spent their time and effort helping me in the beginning for no payment what-so-ever. Without that help I would be most certainly a dead man today. I do this out of "love" for these people, the same reason I posted this OP here. In my eyes it takes a sick person indeed to find fauld and and deride the efforts of any human being that is trying to help his fellow man in whatever way he thinks effective.

You Sir, in this very thread have refeered to your "friend" as a "Fat Pig". I do not need lectures from you on how to treat my fellow man.

I am very happy for you that you have managed to lose all those Kilos, maybe now you can put the same effort into learning some manners and dropping your arrogant attitude. Your attack was unwarranted, you should try to learn some civility in the way you air your points of view.

I have no desire to fight with you and I will not be replying to your next attack. I have too much to be greatful for in life to waste it on this.

To those people who said they miss the "simple pleasures" in life I am putting here a link to a radio show aired yesterday (9th) on Irish Radio on this very topic. Two contribiturs moved me... "Rita" who describes herself as a nice looking person but 4 years ago was told she has terminal cancer. "If the scars that are on the inside of my body from smoking were on outside" she says "I wouldn't be so nice looking". There is also a Proffessor, a cancer Specialist, whose pashion and compassion nearly had him in tears after hearing Rita's story. Again, to those who miss the simple pleasures.......as a result of stopping smoking I can take long walks myself and climb stairs. I can drive to the country and be amazed at the beauty all around me. Those simple pleasures far outway the ones I used to get in a smooky bar room. Here is the link, press on "Latest Show" and may the force be with you.....

Liveline - Official Site

This OP was mainly aimed at those who were in the middle of deciding to do something at last about their smoking. It might just be enough to goad them into finally taking that action.

Edited March 10, 2015 by dotpoom

[Keesters]

I can relate to this posting , I have been a smoker for over 55 years and now have emphysemia because of it.

I have tried so many times to quit its beyond a joke but now my wife has taken control of the situation and

rations me to 5 each day plus 1 extra at night before going to bed. If it wasn't for her doing this I would

be back to about 12 to 15 a day. I cant describe how it feels to be addicted and often have to resort to

medication to breath which seems to be worse during the first 2 or 3 hours of a morning when I get up.

The graphic images on the packets have not helped me in trying to quit.Hopefully a day will come when I can

actualy throw the things away for ever, either that or I will no doubt fall of the perch before I get on top of

the addiction

What can I say except I feel for you. Take comfort in knowing that quiting is possible. I did it and I was about 30 day. It does take a strong willpower though.

Going cold turkey worked best for me. Completly stop. Every time you get a craving tell yourself OK I'll have one in 10 minutes. Then when that 10 mins is over extend by another 10 mins and so on. You'll be surprised how fast the day goes by. You have the advantage of a good women to help you. Your lucky. If you do manage to stop watch your weight. I put on 30kgs very quickly. Getting rid of 20 of that has been harder work than quitting the smokes. Best wishes.....

My Oh my Mr. Keesters......how the tides have changed.....You remember somebody writing this below ....could it have been yourself perhaps?

"I consider this thread inappropriate. Health advice is best left to professionals not some random anonymous poster. Ignored."

Well you could of have me there except it is one on one advice & support to someone who is trying to quitting. It was not preaching to a general audience about the dangers of smoking quoting articles that anyone interested in stopping or starting smoking would already have access to. Together with perhaps with a hidden agenda against or hatred of smokers.

Haven't seen you jump in and try and help the guy. Is he not a big enough audience for you. Is the fact that he already wants to quit and has possibly a life threatening disease caused by smoking enough for you.

I suggest Mr. Keesters that you check your facts first before making accusations about me not jumping in anywhere, by asking the person in question first.

Your comments were made for all to see, they were not in the form of a PM to "mehoo". You were writing to the same audience I was writing to.

Mr. Keesters, I have spent the last 42 years of my life sharing how I recovered from another addiction in schools, hospitals and universities, in fact, anywhere that I have been invited to. I do this in grattitude to those people who spent their time and effort helping me in the beginning for no payment what-so-ever. Without that help I would be most certainly a dead man today. I do this out of "love" for these people, the same reason I posted this OP here. In my eyes it takes a sick person indeed to find fauld and and deride the efforts of any human being that is trying to help his fellow man in whatever way he thinks effective.

You Sir, in this very thread have refeered to your "friend" as a "Fat Pig". I do not need lectures from you on how to treat my fellow man.

I am very happy for you that you have managed to lose all those Kilos, maybe now you can put the same effort into learning some manners and dropping your arrogant attitude. Your attack was unwarranted, you should try to learn some civility in the way you air your points of view.

I have no desire to fight with you and I will not be replying to your next attack. I have too much to be greatful for in life to waste it on this.

To those people who said they miss the "simple pleasures" in life I am putting here a link to a radio show aired yesterday (9th) on Irish Radio on this very topic. Two contribiturs moved me... "Rita" who describes herself as a nice looking person but 4 years ago was told she has terminal cancer. "If the scars that are on the inside of my body from smoking were on outside" she says "I wouldn't be so nice looking". There is also a Proffessor, a cancer Specialist, whose pashion and compassion nearly had him in tears after hearing Rita's story. Again, to those who miss the simple pleasures.......as a result of stopping smoking I can take long walks myself and climb stairs. I can drive to the country and be amazed at the beauty all around me. Those simple pleasures far outway the ones I used to get in a smooky bar room. Here is the link, press on "Latest Show" and may the force be with you.....

Liveline - Official Site

This OP was mainly aime at those who were in the middle of deciding to do something at last about their smoking. It might just be enough to goad them into finally taking that action.

No the comments were no in a pm to meeho but were directed at him as he clearly seemed in need of communication. The fact that I left it open for all to read is quite normal in this regard. I have nothing to hide. I have no hidden agenda. I have no need to seek love. I save a loving family. I was purely assisting a fellow human being. I definitely not preaching.

Fat pig. As you have never met this fella why are you so concerned about that remark. Even he calls himself that sometimes when discussing our weight problems. Just as he calls me baldy which I have been since I 30 when we first met. Have you never heard of loving pet names. Pumpkin, moo (pig), lollipop, uan (fat) etc.

I stopped reading at radio show because it seems irrelevant here.

I cannot understand why you are so upset about my comments so far. In the words of another user in another thread you appear very insecure in why you opened the thread in the first place. A thought just popped into my mind is it anything to do with steps something like the steps one takes as a recovering alcoholic?