Justice minister urges Yingluck to detail her claim of being denied right to justice

[rubl]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

For goodness sakes! How many other schemes have burned and failed in the past? The navy has a submarine dock and no submarines, an aircraft carrier with no appropriate aircraft and so on! Stuff happens and it happens in every country, not every government scheme works.

And then there's the fire engines that have sat in a warehouse for years, because the country owes itself taxes and couldn't pay them. And the bomb detectors that didn't detect anything. I am sure people could add a few more.

Bad policy. YES.

Corruption by yingluck. NO

Look at the billions lost going to Iraq.

You seem to make the same mistake as the Yingluck PR team. Ms. Yingluck is not accused of corruption, but of negligence in curbing corruption and losses in her pet 'self-financing' schmeme which cost 700 billion Baht.

[waitforusalso]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

For goodness sakes! How many other schemes have burned and failed in the past? The navy has a submarine dock and no submarines, an aircraft carrier with no appropriate aircraft and so on! Stuff happens and it happens in every country, not every government scheme works.

And then there's the fire engines that have sat in a warehouse for years, because the country owes itself taxes and couldn't pay them. And the bomb detectors that didn't detect anything. I am sure people could add a few more.

Bad policy. YES.

Corruption by yingluck. NO

Look at the billions lost going to Iraq.

You seem to make the same mistake as the Yingluck PR team. Ms. Yingluck is not accused of corruption, but of negligence in curbing corruption and losses in her pet 'self-financing' schmeme which cost 700 billion Baht.

Governments around the world, throughout history have embarked on 'self-financing' schemes that they believed would be beneficial, only to have them end in financial failure. Doesn't make them criminal.

[sweatalot]

Just down and dirty lies.

It is strategy.

She (or her advisors) knows that she cannot convince people who understand and know the facts.

So she tries to play the innocent victim for the uninformed

(not to forget the Western press which write articles about the situation in Thailand

that seem to come directly from the desk of Robert Amsterdam or thaksin)

Hoping to get their backing like her clan got the "democratic" votes from the uninformed malleable or evil

[trogers]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

For goodness sakes! How many other schemes have burned and failed in the past? The navy has a submarine dock and no submarines, an aircraft carrier with no appropriate aircraft and so on! Stuff happens and it happens in every country, not every government scheme works.

And then there's the fire engines that have sat in a warehouse for years, because the country owes itself taxes and couldn't pay them. And the bomb detectors that didn't detect anything. I am sure people could add a few more.

Bad policy. YES.

Corruption by yingluck. NO

Look at the billions lost going to Iraq.

You seem to make the same mistake as the Yingluck PR team. Ms. Yingluck is not accused of corruption, but of negligence in curbing corruption and losses in her pet 'self-financing' schmeme which cost 700 billion Baht.

Governments around the world, throughout history have embarked on 'self-financing' schemes that they believed would be beneficial, only to have them end in financial failure. Doesn't make them criminal.

Governments around the world would not have lied about G2G sales and then set out to cheat money from the scheme.

[sweatalot]

hasn't the outcome been decided?

So you want to make us believe it has been decided. Proof?

[waitforusalso]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

For goodness sakes! How many other schemes have burned and failed in the past? The navy has a submarine dock and no submarines, an aircraft carrier with no appropriate aircraft and so on! Stuff happens and it happens in every country, not every government scheme works.

And then there's the fire engines that have sat in a warehouse for years, because the country owes itself taxes and couldn't pay them. And the bomb detectors that didn't detect anything. I am sure people could add a few more.

Bad policy. YES.

Corruption by yingluck. NO

Look at the billions lost going to Iraq.

You seem to make the same mistake as the Yingluck PR team. Ms. Yingluck is not accused of corruption, but of negligence in curbing corruption and losses in her pet 'self-financing' schmeme which cost 700 billion Baht.

Governments around the world, throughout history have embarked on 'self-financing' schemes that they believed would be beneficial, only to have them end in financial failure. Doesn't make them criminal.

Governments around the world would not have lied about G2G sales and then set out to cheat money from the scheme.

Which has been claimed by their opposition to justify the coup.

A conviction by a stacked judiciary will do nothing to prove the accusation.

[rubl]

You seem to make the same mistake as the Yingluck PR team. Ms. Yingluck is not accused of corruption, but of negligence in curbing corruption and losses in her pet 'self-financing' schmeme which cost 700 billion Baht.

Governments around the world, throughout history have embarked on 'self-financing' schemes that they believed would be beneficial, only to have them end in financial failure. Doesn't make them criminal.

Well, don't know about other parts of the World, but in Thailand it's not acceptable to position a scheme as 'self-financing', therefor keeping it out of the National Budget and promptly start to lose money to be amount of 700++ billion Baht.

Of course, other countries might be much more indulgent with their governments ability to lose 700++ billion Baht.

BTW any example of a democratic government having positioned a scheme as 'self-financing' and promptly lost lots of money on it and even lied and obfuscated to the point a court case is needed to try to get some answers? Oh, and if possible from this century, 15 years should be enough I would think.

Edited March 21, 2015 by rubl

[ScarpoFongness4U]

I have offered to marry Yingluck and give her immediate American citizenship

[rubl]

Governments around the world would not have lied about G2G sales and then set out to cheat money from the scheme.

Which has been claimed by their opposition to justify the coup.

A conviction by a stacked judiciary will do nothing to prove the accusation.

So, claims in December 2012 were justification for the coup in May 2014?

Anyway, with the documentation available the G2G miscreants don't need a stack court to be found guilty it would seem.

As for Ms. Yingluck, she asked for justice and a chance to explain herself. Well, she'll get the chance. The protests about 'stacked courts' just seem to indicate the lack of faith the pro-Yingluck group as if they know Ms. Yingluck is guilty and they just start to raise doubts with insinuations already.

[waitforusalso]

Governments around the world would not have lied about G2G sales and then set out to cheat money from the scheme.

Which has been claimed by their opposition to justify the coup.

A conviction by a stacked judiciary will do nothing to prove the accusation.

So, claims in December 2012 were justification for the coup in May 2014?

Anyway, with the documentation available the G2G miscreants don't need a stack court to be found guilty it would seem.

As for Ms. Yingluck, she asked for justice and a chance to explain herself. Well, she'll get the chance. The protests about 'stacked courts' just seem to indicate the lack of faith the pro-Yingluck group as if they know Ms. Yingluck is guilty and they just start to raise doubts with insinuations already.

But the courts are stacked & any verdicts handed down will be treated with the same respect as the US give to Thaksin's Ratchada verdict. None.

[rubl]

Governments around the world would not have lied about G2G sales and then set out to cheat money from the scheme.

Which has been claimed by their opposition to justify the coup.

A conviction by a stacked judiciary will do nothing to prove the accusation.

So, claims in December 2012 were justification for the coup in May 2014?

Anyway, with the documentation available the G2G miscreants don't need a stack court to be found guilty it would seem.

As for Ms. Yingluck, she asked for justice and a chance to explain herself. Well, she'll get the chance. The protests about 'stacked courts' just seem to indicate the lack of faith the pro-Yingluck group as if they know Ms. Yingluck is guilty and they just start to raise doubts with insinuations already.

But the courts are stacked & any verdicts handed down will be treated with the same respect as the US give to Thaksin's Ratchada verdict. None.

Especially those who disagree continue to 'state' as 'facts' that the courts are stacked.

I could wonder about the effect of the level of respect the US gives to the Thaksin landcase verdict, but apart from not really sure the US knows about it, it's also too much off topic.

Let's stick to Ms. Yingluck being asked to explain herself, being offered the chance to explain herself as she has asked also to get the chance.

[lewy67]

It is impossible for her or anyone else to get a fair trial when there is no separation of powers in Thailand. The executive, legislative and judicial branches are all controlled by the military in the post coup set up. Anyone who is not part of the military - elite cabal, including the ex democratically elected Prime Minister. have no access to justice or any chance of a fair trial.

[robblok]

For goodness sakes! How many other schemes have burned and failed in the past? The navy has a submarine dock and no submarines, an aircraft carrier with no appropriate aircraft and so on! Stuff happens and it happens in every country, not every government scheme works.

And then there's the fire engines that have sat in a warehouse for years, because the country owes itself taxes and couldn't pay them. And the bomb detectors that didn't detect anything. I am sure people could add a few more.

Bad policy. YES.

Corruption by yingluck. NO

Look at the billions lost going to Iraq.

You seem to make the same mistake as the Yingluck PR team. Ms. Yingluck is not accused of corruption, but of negligence in curbing corruption and losses in her pet 'self-financing' schmeme which cost 700 billion Baht.

Governments around the world, throughout history have embarked on 'self-financing' schemes that they believed would be beneficial, only to have them end in financial failure. Doesn't make them criminal.

It does when it has been pointed out that it was costing money and they still would ignore it.. even threaten those who came out with that proof. Then its criminal because you need to adjust your program if it is proven to be faulty.This was proven to be faulty quite soon but she kept on going.

As others said had she reserved money in the budget then on this case she could go free.. but with my post I have given reason why she did not.

Strange that people don't go against my previous post.. probably because they either don't know anything about budgeting and why governments have to do it .. its mandatory or they just can't deny the facts that she was grossly negligent.

[robblok]

Too bad the junta does not stay in power till after this trial, we all know how the reds like to intimidate and bribe... pastry cases of money and bombs. As long as the Junta is here at least the judges are protected and the trial would be a lot fairer as when judges are bribed and threatened.

I wonder if anyone can remember this many corruption cases coming to light and being prosecuted ever before. I must say ever since the junta it seems as if there is rule of law.. instead of rule of corruption. (not saying there is no corruption... but seems so much less and it seems at least that they are doing something). Can anyone remember a PTP or previous versions of it ever doing something like this

I mean governing the country ?

Edited March 22, 2015 by robblok

[ginjag]

You seem to make the same mistake as the Yingluck PR team. Ms. Yingluck is not accused of corruption, but of negligence in curbing corruption and losses in her pet 'self-financing' schmeme which cost 700 billion Baht.

Governments around the world, throughout history have embarked on 'self-financing' schemes that they believed would be beneficial, only to have them end in financial failure. Doesn't make them criminal.

It does when it has been pointed out that it was costing money and they still would ignore it.. even threaten those who came out with that proof. Then its criminal because you need to adjust your program if it is proven to be faulty.This was proven to be faulty quite soon but she kept on going.

As others said had she reserved money in the budget then on this case she could go free.. but with my post I have given reason why she did not.

Strange that people don't go against my previous post.. probably because they either don't know anything about budgeting and why governments have to do it .. its mandatory or they just can't deny the facts that she was grossly negligent.

Isn't it amazing there are still a few in complete denial. comments like "it happens everywhere in the world" and still believe in Yinglucks own words "I did nothing wrong" Most of TVF posters were saying over 2 years ago "follow the money" it all comes out in the wash doesn't it ?? Yingluck did nothing wrong for being out the country most of the time and refusing to give interviews-or attend meeting she was supposed to chair and so on .

For all the anti Prayuth propaganda, he can stand up and rattle of on any subject in full for 1 hour about the Thai problems, could you ever imagine Yingluck trying to do the same --she had never a clue-and never will have. That is why we have this situation now.

[rixalex]

But the courts are stacked & any verdicts handed down will be treated with the same respect as the US give to Thaksin's Ratchada verdict. None.

Since you are clearly in the position to speak on behalf of the US nation and its thoughts on Thai court cases, i'd be interested to know what it thought about the asset concealment case in 2001 involving a certain Prime Minister. Did it respect the outcome, or did it think that it was a complete farce?

On the Ratchada case, i'd also be interested to know how it felt about the former Prime Minister being involved in handing out lunch boxes stuffed with cash to court officials in an attempt to swing things in a favorable direction. Did it respect those actions, or did it think that those actions alone, would be enough in their country to see a person get a long stretch behind bars?

[Warpath]

It does when it has been pointed out that it was costing money and they still would ignore it.. even threaten those who came out with that proof. Then its criminal because you need to adjust your program if it is proven to be faulty.This was proven to be faulty quite soon but she kept on going.

As others said had she reserved money in the budget then on this case she could go free.. but with my post I have given reason why she did not.

Strange that people don't go against my previous post.. probably because they either don't know anything about budgeting and why governments have to do it .. its mandatory or they just can't deny the facts that she was grossly negligent.

Is the funnelling billions of baht into the hands of the poverty stricken masses progressive government policy righting the wrongs of the past or a crime?

Given the fact that every nation in the world subsidies various groups or industries at the tax payers expense proves the former to be true and the latter no more than a Thai elite lie aimed at undermining democracy.

The scale of the rice scheme only highlights the extreme inequity in Thailand that decades of military rule have produced.

[Robby nz]

The fruitloops are out in force on this thread.

One thing is certain - this time the Reds need to be taking names so that when they inevitably get back into power they can cleanse the system of all the unelected appointed stooges who have been culpable and complicit in this latest round of elite treason against the Thai nation. The overwhelming majority of Generals, Judges Bureaucrats and Commissioners need to be tossed off their undeserved lofty perches and into the gutters (or jail cells) where they belong. Time for the Reds to get real and bring this 15 year minority insurrection to an end once and for all.

Ahhh...like when the red shirts used the force of arms to threaten protesting rice farmers? Red shirts majority, and rice farmers minority?

Rice farmers repeatedly voted in Red governments and it would be logical to assume that they will again vote for PTP if there is ever another election, so what's your point?

I really wonder where your logic comes from, the farmers were promised riches then it turned out only 18% of poor farmers were eligible to take part in the scheme and those 18% only received 5% of the money paid to farmers (numbers from a world bank report).

The farmers were not paid on time and in some cases not for months, they were continually lied to that payment would be next week, then the week after.

Those that protested non payment had their families threatened.

They are now suffering from low prices brought on in part by massive stockpiles of pledged rice that has to be disposed of in a depressed world market.

They can see that a proportion of the rice they worked to produce has been stored in poor conditions that caused it to rot.

They can see massive corruption that is now being exposed in the so called G2G deals where those in high places have profited from the rice they have produced.

Do you believe that farmers are masochists who would vote again for someone who would do these things to them, or do you and your red mates think (hope) they are so stupid that they cant learn ?

[torpedo1970]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

Yes, but come on guys that is only what we know about now....

Do you seriously think thats all??

[Baerboxer]

You seem to make the same mistake as the Yingluck PR team. Ms. Yingluck is not accused of corruption, but of negligence in curbing corruption and losses in her pet 'self-financing' schmeme which cost 700 billion Baht.

Governments around the world, throughout history have embarked on 'self-financing' schemes that they believed would be beneficial, only to have them end in financial failure. Doesn't make them criminal.

In the cases you reference, did the self appointed chair of the schemes attend and chair meetings, work hard trying to make sure the scheme worked, worked hard to avoid corruption and mismanagement, and worked very hard to ensure the money reached those intended? Did they provide open, transparent accounting of the scheme?

Or did they not bother to turn up to any meetings, ignore all warnings about the scheme, state categorically there was no corruption, no quality and no inventory issues in the scheme, dismiss comments of warning from international prestige organizations, remove internal people who dared comment negatively and refuse to give accounting information.

See the differences?

Yingluck still maintains there are no problems, the scheme was working as intended and that it improved the quality of life for poor farmers (even though the World Bank says otherwise). Unless she can explain where the missing money went, why there are so many issues contrary to all her statements and why G2G deals were false then she is criminally negligent for her involvement. So far, when given the chance to defend herself she either doesn't turn up or reads a script which answers nothing other than saying she's innocent.

[Baerboxer]

It does when it has been pointed out that it was costing money and they still would ignore it.. even threaten those who came out with that proof. Then its criminal because you need to adjust your program if it is proven to be faulty.This was proven to be faulty quite soon but she kept on going.

As others said had she reserved money in the budget then on this case she could go free.. but with my post I have given reason why she did not.

Strange that people don't go against my previous post.. probably because they either don't know anything about budgeting and why governments have to do it .. its mandatory or they just can't deny the facts that she was grossly negligent.

Is the funnelling billions of baht into the hands of the poverty stricken masses progressive government policy righting the wrongs of the past or a crime?

Given the fact that every nation in the world subsidies various groups or industries at the tax payers expense proves the former to be true and the latter no more than a Thai elite lie aimed at undermining democracy.

The scale of the rice scheme only highlights the extreme inequity in Thailand that decades of military rule have produced.

Decades of military rule? Which family run political party have been in power for most of this century?

During the PTP regime's years in power by what % did the fortune of the family that owns and controls PTP grow? (Clue it is more than 400% but less than 500%).

During the same period, how much as the wealth of the average Thai family grown?

Thailand faces extreme issues thanks to the corrupt family kleptocracy which appears to have enriched one family above all. Wonder where all the wealth came from?

[MaxYakov]

Article: "As for the right to justice process, the ex-prime minister said she felt the rule of law had been missing in her case citing the ruling of the National Anti-Corruption Commission that there was no evidence of corruption against her or her consent for corruption, yet the NACC faulted her of dereliction of duty."

So ... if you are in political office and are not corrupt then you are derelict in your duties?

[djjamie]

"she said she was not given the right to justice process and was not fairly treated."

She hasn't even bothered to show up at any of the hearings.

At least she is consistent then. She never turned up to manage a single rice committee meeting either meaning the tax payer was not fairly treated.

Unfortunately the only thing she can manage is her Facebook page.

[Robby nz]

"she said she was not given the right to justice process and was not fairly treated."

She hasn't even bothered to show up at any of the hearings.

At least she is consistent then. She never turned up to manage a single rice committee meeting either meaning the tax payer was not fairly treated.

Unfortunately the only thing she can manage is her Facebook page.

You sure she does that herself ?

I think you will find that she did turn up and chair the first (inaugural) meeting of the rice policy committee, but after that no show.

[NickJ]

Well ......Im a Shinawatra. We cannot except anybody elses opinion.....were special. Were the only thing that matters and Im gonna stomp my feet until I get on our private jet.......and come back with my brother who thinks he should. Be king...wah wah wah

[Skywalker69]

I have offered to marry Yingluck and give her immediate American citizenship

Sigh!

[rubl]

"she said she was not given the right to justice process and was not fairly treated."

She hasn't even bothered to show up at any of the hearings.

At least she is consistent then. She never turned up to manage a single rice committee meeting either meaning the tax payer was not fairly treated.

Unfortunately the only thing she can manage is her Facebook page.

You sure she does that herself ?

I think you will find that she did turn up and chair the first (inaugural) meeting of the rice policy committee, but after that no show.

Now that's unfair, Robby. I'm sure Ms. Yingluck would have been present at every single meeting if only the press had been more interested in providing the same photo-op and promotion.

[trogers]

It does when it has been pointed out that it was costing money and they still would ignore it.. even threaten those who came out with that proof. Then its criminal because you need to adjust your program if it is proven to be faulty.This was proven to be faulty quite soon but she kept on going.

As others said had she reserved money in the budget then on this case she could go free.. but with my post I have given reason why she did not.

Strange that people don't go against my previous post.. probably because they either don't know anything about budgeting and why governments have to do it .. its mandatory or they just can't deny the facts that she was grossly negligent.

Is the funnelling billions of baht into the hands of the poverty stricken masses progressive government policy righting the wrongs of the past or a crime?

Given the fact that every nation in the world subsidies various groups or industries at the tax payers expense proves the former to be true and the latter no more than a Thai elite lie aimed at undermining democracy.

The scale of the rice scheme only highlights the extreme inequity in Thailand that decades of military rule have produced.

Reminds me of thieves sharing the loot. One for you, two for me, one for you, three for me, etc...

There, equality...?

[cookee68]

Blah blah blah