Oziex1 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 China, Thailand's new friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExPratt Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 CAAC to inspect Thai airlines MRO records The Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) has revealed that it will be inspected MRO records and procedures of Thai airlines this week. NokScoot’s CEO, Piya Yodmani, has stated that the airline is ready for the inspection. However, a blanket ban of Thai carriers in China is a possibility. DATE: MAY 12, 2015 http://www.aviationnews-online.com/regulatory/caac-to-inspect-thai-airlines-mro-records/? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJack Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Its hard to get qualified staff and I suspect this has something to do with opening up Thailand to quality overseas expertise. NOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 According to the Department of Civil Aviation (DCA), the airlines in question are Orient Thai, Nok Scoot, Jet Asia, City Airways and R Airlines. The detected flaws involved flight documents, aircraft maintenance and staff. Well, that's a real SHOCKER.... Can you imagine, the Chinese aviation regulators failed Orient Thai -- the same airline that Thailand should have dealt with years ago. I just hope the FAA now proceeds to come into the picture, and reams them all a new one. That's the only way local carrier aviation in and out of Thailand is going to become safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx22cb Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Business model for fledgling Thai airlines: 1) Who can we invite to be the Chairman of our airline? Must be someone with the right surname and lots of connections. A general, air commodore, "big family" member, or a cousin of a political party leader. 2) Whose palms do we have to grease so that we can make sure our bid for a Thai airline licence is successful? 3) Lease the cheapest possible aircraft and crew 4) Devise plans to list our airline on the stock exchange and reap in the money. 20) Procedures - do a Google search and copy/paste a makeshift operating manual. No need to print out more than 1 hard copy - nobody will read it anyway. 25) Safety - not bothered. Instead, just impose compulsory prayers and merit-making to the gods to watch over our assets. NB the above is fictional satire, and any accidental resemblance to actual airlines is entirely coincidental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quandow Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Well, they ARE prepared, in case of accidents, to paint over the logos of the downed planes. Doesn't that meet international safety standards? Way to go, Thailand, you are getting outed more and more each day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Grumpy Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Probably a question about that the Chinese low-cost carriers want a piece of the lucrative pie, that is charter flights between China and Thailand!! The checking of 5 airlines and the subsequent downgrading was done in one day!! The checking of 5 airlines and the subsequent downgrading was done in one day!! The checking of 5 airlines and the subsequent downgrading was done in one bank transfer!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalbanana Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 How about Orient Thai, makes R-Airlines seem possible modern? http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Orient-Thai-Airlines Orient Thai: Current fleet HS-UTW 23067 588 Boeing 747-300 started on 16. Oct 2009 = 31.6 Years Old? Looks like Jet Asia has got them all beat: http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Jet-Asia-Airways HS-JAB 21868 10 Boeing 767-200 started on 25. Aug 2011 HS-BIA = 32.8 Years Old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Probably a question about that the Chinese low-cost carriers want a piece of the lucrative pie, that is charter flights between China and Thailand!! The checking of 5 airlines and the subsequent downgrading was done in one day!! That's all it should take. It's not one person checking all airlines.To those posters who think an aircraft's age is an issue, it's not. An aircraft that is 30 years old and has flown 100,000+ hours would have had most components replaced several times, hundreds of modifications done, wings taken off for imspections, spars xrayed to check integrity, and a thousand other checks, all multiple times. Edited May 13, 2015 by F4UCorsair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winstonc Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 my dillema..cant use the trains..derailment ...cant use the minibus...high chance of death by driver..now im buggered flying...oh well some new trainers are in order now ..the long walk just like forrest gump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asiantravel Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Who are R airlines ? Never heard of them http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/R-Airlines The link to their webpage doesn't even work so that doesn't give me a lot of confidence for a start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Who are R airlines ? Never heard of them http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/R-Airlines Great airline........their freekin planes are 21 years old!! I'm not saying their fleet's old but the last time I flew with them I was sitting next to the tail gunner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forumuser10 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Funny stuff. So China sends an inspection team over, the airlines here open the books for them, and of course they find irregularities. I guess China really does have Thailand by the balls. If France said they wanted to send over an inspection team, Thailand would tell them to piss off... On a side note, the very concept of China deciding if a public transportation sector is safe or not, is ludicrous... Money rules all in China, same as here. As in Russia, and many other Eastern European countries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwyn Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Wow, when you can't meet China's safety regulations it's time to ditch the aircraft! Very true! It used to be (this might have changed bu now I guess) that the Chinese bought old Aeroflot planes and when they were too old even for them, sold them back to Aeroflot for "domestic" flights (which included other countries such as Uzbekistan etc. So if the Chinese are whining about it, you're spot on, ditch the aircraft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naroge Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 If we take this issue seriously, and if we assume that the Chinese regulations are in line with international regulations and not more severe, then there is only one bottom line: These airlines are today not safe to fly with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutha289 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Who are R airlines ? Never heard of them http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/R-Airlines Great airline........their freekin planes are 21 years old!! Not unusual. Take United Airlines, they have dozens of airplanes that are more than 20 years old. I agree, 20 year old aircraft is not that unusual in the industry and as long as they are properly maintained and the crews trained well there should be little to worry about. Having said that improper records and poor maintenance could certainly be a sign of deeper problems and then of course there is the fact that R Airlines operates a Scarebus! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_Airlines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muirton Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I read "somewhere" so I admit that we're talking hearsay that Thai Airways has 80 VPs. Parasites all who suck off maintenance funds. A while back, BKK's aerodrome didn't have enough landing lights for night landings. Gosh, I wonder where the budget line for that item got diverted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsider Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 This, from the land of fake eggs, fake milk powder and god knows what other type of crap they are capable of. Laughable, to say the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xminator Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 How about domestic airlines... Would NOK Air pass a strict audit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableguy Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Really it's becoming more and more like its heading for a failed country label, this country could be a jewel among countries only theft is keeping them back, it seems nobody gives a damn about anything only about what goes in their pocket, international rules of course or following them costs money so ignore them. Fishing the oceans dry nobody gives a damn and the bloody cheek of them Europeans complaining about Thailands rape of the oceans. Old aircraft who gives a damn, lack of mechanics qualified to work on them, never mind, what do the Chinese know anyway.. The majority of the working class earning slave wages, being kicked off the work force at fifty five years old nobody gives a sh......t. Still I love it here and my gf, know full well my life is not worth a damn here just keep my head down and take it day by day. Lots of airlines I will never fly on here I view them the same as mini vans, public buses, state railways taxis and tuk tuks, all best left to the locals to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fvw53 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 ChrisY1, on 13 May 2015 - 13:32, said: Bluespunk" data-cid="9401424" data-time="1431497819" data-date="15 minutes ago said:The Big Mango" data-cid="9401415" data-time="1431497672" data-date="17 minutes ago said:Who are R airlines ? Never heard of them http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/R-Airlines Great airline........their freekin planes are 21 years old!! Airplanes can be 21 years old provided the prescribed checks are done on time and that the spare parts which are bought are true originals and not bought on the cheaper but dubious "grey market" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halion Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Bloody disgrace and scraping the bottom of the barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 If they can't meet Chinese standards, there's no hope for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Who are R airlines ? Never heard of them http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/R-Airlines Great airline........their freekin planes are 21 years old!! I wonder which airlines brought the 23% increase in tourists in the first quarter. I am standing on the balcony and its a good thing I just ducked I saw a tourist fly by and barely miss me. Yeah Gads must get a safety helmet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodknock Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 The dca,however, insisted the airlines could address the problems before the deadline! What deadline??? what year is it ????? does any one know the date, if there really is one, or is that the date that the brown bag has to be past by??!! wonder what the donation is to have your airplanes falling out of the sky. well, it goes along with what it costs to run over some one on a bicycle 7500baht. wow, how cheap life is. oh well it is Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I think it was the outside toilets that did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezr Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 If China is being dishonest and putting pressure on the Thailand Airline industry, then no high speed Chinese bullet trains through Thailand. Give that contract to Japan or some one else. Put pressure on China to stop sending Thailand , defective Chinese tourists, who can barely act like modern humans. Make the Chinese people learn to quit spitting everywhere and using public bathrooms like they don't know sh*t from Shinola, and maybe to be polite and not throw their cigarette butts everywhere as well, oh I guess they are not the only ones to do that!. Just my 2 cents worth of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Who are R airlines ? Never heard of them http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/R-Airlines Great airline........their freekin planes are 21 years old!! Not unusual. Take United Airlines, they have dozens of airplanes that are more than 20 years old. OT, but the latest model of the USAF's frontline B-52 bomber, the B-52H, has been in service since 1961. That's 54 yrs. They're expected to still be flying through the mid-2040s - over 80 years! They've been through upgrades and all manner of service life refit-type activity of course, but we're still talking the same basic airframes (or BuNos at least ). I can't even imagine how old some of the DC-3s, some of which are still in commercial passenger service, still flying must be. And I seem to remember hearing about a DC-9 flying somewhere in Africa that should be going on about 50 yo now if it's still in service (it was still flying in 2012 - that's all I know for sure). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 China, Thailand's new friend? I wonder if this was maybe part of the problem ? Thailand has been sitting on its hands for years over safety and has been given a final warning by ICAO but LoS may have wrongly bargained for a favourable report from their new best friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExPratt Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 China, Thailand's new friend? I wonder if this was maybe part of the problem ? Thailand has been sitting on its hands for years over safety and has been given a final warning by ICAO but LoS may have wrongly bargained for a favourable report from their new best friend. Very True , The Chinese are apparently going to be flocking to Thailand .They lost quite a few on MH370 so aircraft safety in a big issue there. Of course if the Chinese don't allow many Thai airlines to land then the hoards will just have to use Chinese carriers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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