Yingluck pledges 30-million baht cash in savings account to secure release on court bail

[Srikcir]

She should have paid the bail in rice from government stored 16 million tons of pledged rice.

Since the government considers her liable for the overpayment to rice farmers for the rice, the rice essentially becomes HER property.

But at the same time the government is attempting to sell it as if it were government property - in effect stealing it from her ownership.

[lvr181]

She was ousted by an undemocratic military coup

If you believe in democracy then you have to respect her, she was elected fair and square.

The fact of the matter is jailing a democratically elected PM is a serious crime, she is not a criminal but a hostage

Now she paid 30 million for her freedom when she didnt even have to.

"undemocratic military coup" Is there a democratic military coup?

Following on your further comments, I would ask, are you a supporter of corrupt democracy in Thailand?

Yes, she DID HAVE to pledge the 30 million otherwise she would have probably been held in jail until trial.

[Nickymaster]

She was ousted by an undemocratic military coup

If you believe in democracy then you have to respect her, she was elected fair and square.

The fact of the matter is jailing a democratically elected PM is a serious crime, she is not a criminal but a hostage

Now she paid 30 million for her freedom when she didnt even have to.

You seem unable to understand the difference between bail and a fine.

She has posted a 30 million baht surety (bail) as ordered by the court. Only if she fails to appear (like her good brother) , will she forfeit the bail money.

She has not been punished and she will return to court in July for further proceedings.

She is not yet a martyr, merely a participant.

This is Thai legal theater at its finest.

Doesnt change the fact that she is captive.

She was ousted by a coup

This trial does not have a legal base.

You cant demand bail from her, she is the legally elected prime minister.

Another Shin promoter. Welcome [emoji106]

[papa al]

So she gives them a savings account book with 30 m THB in and is

set free on bail, is that what happened?, if so ,do they realize she

could just apply for new book.

regards worgeordie

Ha ha.

I think they will be keeping an eye on her.

[MaxLee]

"Yingluck pledges 30-million baht cash in savings account to secure release on court bail"

So there you have it folks,... If you think anyone from high influential status in Thailand ever goes behind bars, you're kidding yourselves.

As with most other countries..if you have the bail money you are set free until future hearings. If you don't have the funds or collateral then you are held.

What are you blathering on about?

Well, amazing Thailand of course..

[GeckosDiving]

She was ousted by an undemocratic military coup

If you believe in democracy then you have to respect her, she was elected fair and square.

The fact of the matter is jailing a democratically elected PM is a serious crime, she is not a criminal but a hostage

Now she paid 30 million for her freedom when she didnt even have to.

[JAG]

She was ousted by an undemocratic military coup

If you believe in democracy then you have to respect her, she was elected fair and square.

The fact of the matter is jailing a democratically elected PM is a serious crime, she is not a criminal but a hostage

Now she paid 30 million for her freedom when she didnt even have to.

She was not elected. Her party was elected, she was quickly made an MP and then a PM after the election.

Oh dear, "she was not elected".

Just about every voter who cast a vote for Pheu Thai in the 2011 election did so in the certain knowledge that Yingluck was at the top of the party list and was Pheu Thai candidate for Prime Minister. A vote for Pheu Thai was also a vote for Yingluck as Prime Minister.

Whatever you think about her, however you perceive her abilities, the fact remains that she became Prime Minister as a result of winning that election.

Now rhe present incumbent. ..

[JAG]

Doesnt change the fact that she is captive.

She was ousted by a coup

This trial does not have a legal base.

You cant demand bail from her, she is the legally elected prime minister.

Actually, the coup happened after she resigned, and her Get Out of Jail Free card, that you think comes with being elected, has long expired.

BTW if you think the trial has no legal base, you are sadly mistaken. but that, along with "politically motivated prosecution" will still be the mantra long after she is convicted. Does Thaksin get that one too?

Well yes, frankly.

[Gsxrnz]

If every government leader in the world was made accountable for every failed scheme or policy, all former and current Prime Ministers, Presidents etc. should be jailed. They've all had failures that have cost their respective countries billions.

By inference, all world leaders are therefore inept to a (usually) greater or lesser degree.

Every government scheme/practice/activity in Thailand is rife with unstoppable corruption.

Yingluck has not been charged with any personal corruption - she is therefore being tried for being inept.

Maybe George Dubyah and Tony Blair should be tried for their joint cockup that makes Yinglucks efforts look decidedly third rate by comparison.

[delgarcon]

If every government leader in the world was made accountable for every failed scheme or policy, all former and current Prime Ministers, Presidents etc. should be jailed. They've all had failures that have cost their respective countries billions.

By inference, all world leaders are therefore inept to a (usually) greater or lesser degree.

Every government scheme/practice/activity in Thailand is rife with unstoppable corruption.

Yingluck has not been charged with any personal corruption - she is therefore being tried for being inept.

Maybe George Dubyah and Tony Blair should be tried for their joint cockup that makes Yinglucks efforts look decidedly third rate by comparison.

You're right and I think I'm missing something here. Didn't she appear in court voluntarily? She was never arrested and put in prison on remand, so why bail? If she was going to do a runner she's surely had plenty of opportunity!

[Jip99]

She was ousted by an undemocratic military coup

If you believe in democracy then you have to respect her, she was elected fair and square.

The fact of the matter is jailing a democratically elected PM is a serious crime, she is not a criminal but a hostage

Now she paid 30 million for her freedom when she didnt even have to.

So, all that you have quoted negates her criminal/fraudulent involvement in the rice scam ?

You have an interesting take on democracy................................. ot were the coup really behind the scam

[spermwhale]

I dislike the Shinawatras but the whole court system in Thailand is a sham. Dereliction of duty is a criminal defense that requires bail? Give me a break.

She was the former prime minister, not a murderer. She was sowing the seeds of corruption with the rice scheme, but this should not be a criminal case if it's just for dereliction. For embezzlement outright yeah.

Meanwhile, murderers in Thailand are given bail when none should be granted. It's a malfunctioning system thanks to inept people putting poorly thought out laws on the books in Thailand. I mean, even libel is a criminal offense.

[Lukecan]

She was ousted by an undemocratic military coup

If you believe in democracy then you have to respect her, she was elected fair and square.

The fact of the matter is jailing a democratically elected PM is a serious crime, she is not a criminal but a hostage

Now she paid 30 million for her freedom when she didnt even have to.

"undemocratic military coup" Is there a democratic military coup?

Following on your further comments, I would ask, are you a supporter of corrupt democracy in Thailand?

Yes, she DID HAVE to pledge the 30 million otherwise she would have probably been held in jail until trial.

Corruption is a way of life in Thailand, the cops and generals who have accumulated over bt 100 million of assets on a 20-30k baht salary have no right to judge her.

She was elected fair and square, people who voted in 2011 knew that she would become the PM. I'm not a supporter of corruption, I'm just a supporter of democracy. I dont know the details of the rice scams, but these things are the norm in Thailand, I don't think the people who are prosecuting her are clean either.

[Baerboxer]

She was ousted by an undemocratic military coup

If you believe in democracy then you have to respect her, she was elected fair and square.

The fact of the matter is jailing a democratically elected PM is a serious crime, she is not a criminal but a hostage

Now she paid 30 million for her freedom when she didnt even have to.

She was not elected. Her party was elected, she was quickly made an MP and then a PM after the election.

Oh dear, "she was not elected".

Just about every voter who cast a vote for Pheu Thai in the 2011 election did so in the certain knowledge that Yingluck was at the top of the party list and was Pheu Thai candidate for Prime Minister. A vote for Pheu Thai was also a vote for Yingluck as Prime Minister.

Whatever you think about her, however you perceive her abilities, the fact remains that she became Prime Minister as a result of winning that election.

Now rhe present incumbent. ..

Almost correct. She was the PTP number 1 party list contender. So yes everyone who voted PTP new they'd get her as an MP; and probably strongly suspected that she'd be then elected by her fellow PTP MP's as the PM. Which of course, they did, under instructions from her brother who pays them a salary, promotes and fires them at will.

MP's elect the PM not the people. Democracy at work - the little sister of the man who pays them a generous salary, is responsible for their career, but can't come home because he's a crook on the run is selected unanimously.

[Baerboxer]

She was ousted by an undemocratic military coup

If you believe in democracy then you have to respect her, she was elected fair and square.

The fact of the matter is jailing a democratically elected PM is a serious crime, she is not a criminal but a hostage

Now she paid 30 million for her freedom when she didnt even have to.

"undemocratic military coup" Is there a democratic military coup?

Following on your further comments, I would ask, are you a supporter of corrupt democracy in Thailand?

Yes, she DID HAVE to pledge the 30 million otherwise she would have probably been held in jail until trial.

Corruption is a way of life in Thailand, the cops and generals who have accumulated over bt 100 million of assets on a 20-30k baht salary have no right to judge her.

She was elected fair and square, people who voted in 2011 knew that she would become the PM. I'm not a supporter of corruption, I'm just a supporter of democracy. I dont know the details of the rice scams, but these things are the norm in Thailand, I don't think the people who are prosecuting her are clean either.

And one family increased its wealth by 450% during the period of the Thaksin PTP regime. Can you guess which family that was?

Do you seriously believe that no one has the right to judge this representative of the corrupt of the corrupt?

[Baerboxer]

If every government leader in the world was made accountable for every failed scheme or policy, all former and current Prime Ministers, Presidents etc. should be jailed. They've all had failures that have cost their respective countries billions.

By inference, all world leaders are therefore inept to a (usually) greater or lesser degree.

Every government scheme/practice/activity in Thailand is rife with unstoppable corruption.

Yingluck has not been charged with any personal corruption - she is therefore being tried for being inept.

Maybe George Dubyah and Tony Blair should be tried for their joint cockup that makes Yinglucks efforts look decidedly third rate by comparison.

Isn't the charge negligence, dereliction of duty?

She is being charged for failing to do her job, not just because of ignorance but because she wantonly failed to attend any meetings, pay attention to the large amount of warnings brought to her attention, take any affirmative action, and made false statements, whether lying or uncaring, about the scheme.

Only Shin apologists try to link this to real subsidy schemes and real politicians outside Thailand to try and cloud the issue.

If she had created a budget for this, treated it as a subsidy not an off budget self financing scheme, taken action when serious issues were flagged up, by Thai officials and World Institutions, and attended meetings and closely managed things, she wouldn't be in court. But she didn't. Not only that be she said on several occasions that she was in charge, there were no problems and no frauds in the scheme, there was enough money in the scheme without further loans and that farmers would be paid, when the couldn't be. Some of her subordinates are implicated personally in frauds in this scheme and are going to face a criminal court for those frauds. No doubt investigations are still on-going.

Inept or following instructions?

You clearly have a view, others take the opposite. Time, and the court will decide.

[Alwyn]

"Yingluck pledges 30-million baht cash in savings account to secure release on court bail"

So there you have it folks,... If you think anyone from high influential status in Thailand ever goes behind bars, you're kidding yourselves.

In a normal country this would not even go to court

[mango66]

30 million was her daylee income from the rice pledging sheme !

a shame from to court not to ask 50% of the damage she and her brother have done !!

[mango66]

"Yingluck pledges 30-million baht cash in savings account to secure release on court bail"

So there you have it folks,... If you think anyone from high influential status in Thailand ever goes behind bars, you're kidding yourselves.

In a normal country this would not even go to court

correct, in many countries the would execute her without court !!

[MILT]

She was ousted by an undemocratic military coup

If you believe in democracy then you have to respect her, she was elected fair and square.

The fact of the matter is jailing a democratically elected PM is a serious crime, she is not a criminal but a hostage

Now she paid 30 million for her freedom when she didnt even have to.

Yes she was elected "Fair and square"? Not so sure about that part....

[MaiChai]

She was ousted by an undemocratic military coup

If you believe in democracy then you have to respect her, she was elected fair and square.

The fact of the matter is jailing a democratically elected PM is a serious crime, she is not a criminal but a hostage

Now she paid 30 million for her freedom when she didnt even have to.

She was not elected. Her party was elected, she was quickly made an MP and then a PM after the election.

Oh dear, "she was not elected".

Just about every voter who cast a vote for Pheu Thai in the 2011 election did so in the certain knowledge that Yingluck was at the top of the party list and was Pheu Thai candidate for Prime Minister. A vote for Pheu Thai was also a vote for Yingluck as Prime Minister.

Whatever you think about her, however you perceive her abilities, the fact remains that she became Prime Minister as a result of winning that election.

Now rhe present incumbent. ..

That's incorrect. She was shoe horned in at the last moment. Taksin did not trust anyone non family and she does what big brother tells her. She is the family rubber stamper!

[JAG]

30 million was her daylee income from the rice pledging sheme !

a shame from to court not to ask 50% of the damage she and her brother have done !!

Have you any evidence that 30 000 000 Baht was her daylee (sic) income from the rice scheme, or are you just laying the foundations of another Thai Visa fact?

[JAG]

She was ousted by an undemocratic military coup

If you believe in democracy then you have to respect her, she was elected fair and square.

The fact of the matter is jailing a democratically elected PM is a serious crime, she is not a criminal but a hostage

Now she paid 30 million for her freedom when she didnt even have to.

She was not elected. Her party was elected, she was quickly made an MP and then a PM after the election.

Oh dear, "she was not elected".

Just about every voter who cast a vote for Pheu Thai in the 2011 election did so in the certain knowledge that Yingluck was at the top of the party list and was Pheu Thai candidate for Prime Minister. A vote for Pheu Thai was also a vote for Yingluck as Prime Minister.

Whatever you think about her, however you perceive her abilities, the fact remains that she became Prime Minister as a result of winning that election.

Now rhe present incumbent. ..

That's incorrect. She was shoe horned in at the last moment. Taksin did not trust anyone non family and she does what big brother tells her. She is the family rubber stamper!

I remember the campaign, she played a prominent part in it and was presented as Pheu Thai candidate for PM.

[halloween]

She should have paid the bail in rice from government stored 16 million tons of pledged rice.

Since the government considers her liable for the overpayment to rice farmers for the rice, the rice essentially becomes HER property.

But at the same time the government is attempting to sell it as if it were government property - in effect stealing it from her ownership.

So its not only the corrupt family, their supporters also have problems in knowing what money belongs to the people of Thailand and what belongs to them.

I know its a fine line, with so much passing from revenue accounts to private, but there really is a difference.

You might also note that her duties as PM including responsible management of public funds. That is why she is charged with negligence. When they are misspent, she is responsible.

[mrfill]

"Yingluck pledges 30-million baht cash in savings account to secure release on court bail"

So there you have it folks,... If you think anyone from high influential status in Thailand ever goes behind bars, you're kidding yourselves.

So why did her brother run away? If there was no chance of him going behind bars, he could have continued operations unhindered

[Si Thea01]

So she gives them a savings account book with 30 m THB in and is

set free on bail, is that what happened?, if so ,do they realize she

could just apply for new book.

regards worgeordie

A little more complicated then you're suggesting but basically yes, however, once a pledge is made and an asset is submitted as a guarantee the courts normally place a lien (hold) over those assets. In addition, they have placed other restrictions on her, so were she to try and do something as silly as obtaining a new passbook or even try to access those funds, then more than likely she would be found in Contempt of Court. Hardly a wise move, and I think she is a lot more intelligent then that and then she also has her advisors. A most unlikely scenario I'd suggest..

[expat888]

Probably the same amount the judge will get for finding her innocent.

[Robby nz]

I wonder what the poor farmers who are deeper in debt than ever before and are wondering where they can borrow some more to plant another crop think of their lovely ex PM who they trusted with their vote on the promise they would get rich, being able to offer 30 million from a savings account as bail ?

Could it be that this show of wealth makes them see even clearer just how much they have been shafted.

I see that Thaksin only put up 8 million for his bail, does that mean she is worth almost 4 times as much or is it that the charges against her are 4 times as serious ?

[Artisi]

Bht 30,000,000 a mere pittance to the Shinawatra's, she can do a runner anytime she like and wouldn't miss one satang of it, and to rub salt into the wound would probably be able to write it off as a loss with the tax department.

[Artisi]

She should have paid the bail in rice from government stored 16 million tons of pledged rice.

Since the government considers her liable for the overpayment to rice farmers for the rice, the rice essentially becomes HER property.

But at the same time the government is attempting to sell it as if it were government property - in effect stealing it from her ownership.

So its not only the corrupt family, their supporters also have problems in knowing what money belongs to the people of Thailand and what belongs to them.

I know its a fine line, with so much passing from revenue accounts to private, but there really is a difference.

You might also note that her duties as PM including responsible management of public funds. That is why she is charged with negligence. When they are misspent, she is responsible.

Would appear she doesn't have any problem with the management of her own funds - but of course that is an entirely different and a far more important matter to the dear girl. Plus, you couldn't really expect her to be looking after her own funds, shoe and handbag collection and to give even one thought to the matters of state.