crickets Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 As of today its one month in jail and 10k baht fine for being over .05. Too harsh or good idea? I know i wont be risking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canopus1969 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Let us hope they enforce it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocacoc Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Is there a source of the new regulation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crickets Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 there was a meeting last night. My wife has a friend in the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 For the past 2 weeks I have experienced alcohol checks each Friday on the railway road in Naklua, early evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitawatWatawit Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Are they deciding this arbitrarily, or is it national policy? Does this mean they - whoever "they" are - have taken justice out of the hands of the court and are practising vigilantism? Did they discuss the implications of enforcing such a harsh punishment with society, which ultimately must condone these things? Which cop stood up and said: "I volunteer to arrest and jail the son of the local jao por"??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Are they deciding this arbitrarily, or is it national policy? Does this mean they - whoever "they" are - have taken justice out of the hands of the court and are practising vigilantism? Did they discuss the implications of enforcing such a harsh punishment with society, which ultimately must condone these things? Which cop stood up and said: "I volunteer to arrest and jail the son of the local jao por"??? Aah today it is a harsh punishment on society, but tomorrow when there is an accident reported, we start slagging of authorities that they don't enforce drunk driving rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Its about time the Government started taking this very seriously,driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs should not be tolerated,period. regards worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Are they deciding this arbitrarily, or is it national policy? Does this mean they - whoever "they" are - have taken justice out of the hands of the court and are practising vigilantism? Did they discuss the implications of enforcing such a harsh punishment with society, which ultimately must condone these things? Which cop stood up and said: "I volunteer to arrest and jail the son of the local jao por"??? Aah today it is a harsh punishment on society, but tomorrow when there is an accident reported, we start slagging of authorities that they don't enforce drunk driving rules. I think your missing the point here, in this OP it sounds like the police is setting the punishment, and that is impossible as it should come from the courts. It is the courts that decide on new punishment rules. I don't think that WitawatWatawit was against punishment . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Are they deciding this arbitrarily, or is it national policy? Does this mean they - whoever "they" are - have taken justice out of the hands of the court and are practising vigilantism? Did they discuss the implications of enforcing such a harsh punishment with society, which ultimately must condone these things? Which cop stood up and said: "I volunteer to arrest and jail the son of the local jao por"??? Aah today it is a harsh punishment on society, but tomorrow when there is an accident reported, we start slagging of authorities that they don't enforce drunk driving rules. I think your missing the point here, in this OP it sounds like the police is setting the punishment, and that is impossible as it should come from the courts. It is the courts that decide on new punishment rules. I don't think that WitawatWatawit was against punishment . I think you may have missed that they are quite generous with their new penalties, since the real penalties for drunk driving are much higher http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Drunk-driving-law-tightened-30188003.html Drunk-driving law tightened The Nation August 10, 2012 1:00 am Occupants of vehicles of any kind who drink alcohol during travel are now subject to six months imprisonment and/or a Bt60,000 fine, the Office of Alcoholic Beverages announced yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andre47 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Do they have enough jails? Edited June 23, 2015 by andre47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Are they deciding this arbitrarily, or is it national policy? Does this mean they - whoever "they" are - have taken justice out of the hands of the court and are practising vigilantism? Did they discuss the implications of enforcing such a harsh punishment with society, which ultimately must condone these things? Which cop stood up and said: "I volunteer to arrest and jail the son of the local jao por"??? Aah today it is a harsh punishment on society, but tomorrow when there is an accident reported, we start slagging of authorities that they don't enforce drunk driving rules. I think your missing the point here, in this OP it sounds like the police is setting the punishment, and that is impossible as it should come from the courts. It is the courts that decide on new punishment rules. I don't think that WitawatWatawit was against punishment . I think you may have missed that they are quite generous with their new penalties, since the real penalties for drunk driving are much higher http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Drunk-driving-law-tightened-30188003.htmlDrunk-driving law tightened The Nation August 10, 2012 1:00 am Occupants of vehicles of any kind who drink alcohol during travel are now subject to six months imprisonment and/or a Bt60,000 fine, the Office of Alcoholic Beverages announced yesterday. Point is courts set punishment not the police. I think the only confusion here is where did those orders come from. The police can't act on their own. Separation of powers you know. If it was up to me.. .drunk drivers would be punished real harsh as I find it one of the lowest crimes one can commit. Drinking and then putting others at risk because because its expensive / inconvenient to take a taxi. I have NEVER ever in my life operated a car / or motorbike while I had alcohol in my system. I am Dutch and for free drug use.. but certainly not when operating a car / motorbike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Aah today it is a harsh punishment on society, but tomorrow when there is an accident reported, we start slagging of authorities that they don't enforce drunk driving rules. I think your missing the point here, in this OP it sounds like the police is setting the punishment, and that is impossible as it should come from the courts. It is the courts that decide on new punishment rules. I don't think that WitawatWatawit was against punishment . I think you may have missed that they are quite generous with their new penalties, since the real penalties for drunk driving are much higher http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Drunk-driving-law-tightened-30188003.htmlDrunk-driving law tightened The Nation August 10, 2012 1:00 am Occupants of vehicles of any kind who drink alcohol during travel are now subject to six months imprisonment and/or a Bt60,000 fine, the Office of Alcoholic Beverages announced yesterday. Point is courts set punishment not the police. I think the only confusion here is where did those orders come from. The police can't act on their own. Separation of powers you know. If it was up to me.. .drunk drivers would be punished real harsh as I find it one of the lowest crimes one can commit. Drinking and then putting others at risk because because its expensive / inconvenient to take a taxi. I have NEVER ever in my life operated a car / or motorbike while I had alcohol in my system. I am Dutch and for free drug use.. but certainly not when operating a car / motorbike. So what would you prefer if getting caught? Being fined 10.000 Baht and/or 1 month in jail on the spot or going to court and risk 60.000 Baht and/or 6 months in jail. Keep in mind that if you go to court and you get fined even only 1 Baht, you will be deported as well, because you are convicted of a criminal offense. Edited June 23, 2015 by Anthony5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitawatWatawit Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Rob is right Antony - I just didn't explain myself properly. It's the courts that decide penalties, not some arbitrary government department. So I'd like to know who was at this meeting, how they came to this decision, and who do they feel is going to enforce it.. This just seems like another pie-in-the-sky decision made more for headlines than for actionable policy. BTW, just to give my comments perspective, I don't drink anymore, nor been inside a bar for a long time. But I'm not a wowser. It's great to see people enjoying themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onemorechang Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Bad Idea. Courts should set the punishment Edited June 23, 2015 by onemorechang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobyOliver Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 It said occupants, does that mean if you drink and ride in a car and your a passanger you can be convicted?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Rob is right Antony - I just didn't explain myself properly. It's the courts that decide penalties, not some arbitrary government department. So I'd like to know who was at this meeting, how they came to this decision, and who do they feel is going to enforce it.. This just seems like another pie-in-the-sky decision made more for headlines than for actionable policy. BTW, just to give my comments perspective, I don't drink anymore, nor been inside a bar for a long time. But I'm not a wowser. It's great to see people enjoying themselves. Feel free to answer my question in post #13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitawatWatawit Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Point is courts set punishment not the police. I think the only confusion here is where did those orders come from. The police can't act on their own. Separation of powers you know. If it was up to me.. .drunk drivers would be punished real harsh as I find it one of the lowest crimes one can commit. Drinking and then putting others at risk because because its expensive / inconvenient to take a taxi. I have NEVER ever in my life operated a car / or motorbike while I had alcohol in my system. I am Dutch and for free drug use.. but certainly not when operating a car / motorbike. So what would you prefer if getting caught? Being fined 10.000 Baht and/or 1 month in jail on the spot or going to court and risk 60.000 Baht and/or 6 months in jail. Keep in mind that if you go to court and you get fined even only 1 Baht, you will be deported as well, because you are convicted of a criminal offense. No, you're not deported if you are fined. Two of my colleagues have been fined for DUI, an d they're both still here. (But not sure about the jail term, though - anyone know?) Quote: "Being fined 10.000 Baht and/or 1 month in jail on the spot or going to court and risk 60.000 Baht and/or 6 months in jail" Pointless. Instant jail is not the law. That would require an amendment bill in parliament to change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onemorechang Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 This focus on drink driving is not the real issue for Thailand's road safety Dangerous driving is the issue, unless all Thai drivers / Riders are pissed out there faces 24/7 What you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 This focus on drink driving is not the real issue for Thailand's road safety Dangerous driving is the issue, unless all Thai drivers / Riders are pissed out there faces 24/7 What you think ? I think with a name like yours you should not comment and that your likely one of those guys that does drink and drive. Shows how you deflect the topic. My apologies if I jumped the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 . So what would you prefer if getting caught? Being fined 10.000 Baht and/or 1 month in jail on the spot or going to court and risk 60.000 Baht and/or 6 months in jail. Keep in mind that if you go to court and you get fined even only 1 Baht, you will be deported as well, because you are convicted of a criminal offense. What i would prefer... neither, because I am not stupid enough to drink and drive EVER. If there is one thing I am really against its drinking and driving, i lost a family member to drunk driving. But logically nr 1 of-course (if i was guilty) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onemorechang Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 This focus on drink driving is not the real issue for Thailand's road safety Dangerous driving is the issue, unless all Thai drivers / Riders are pissed out there faces 24/7 What you think ? I think with a name like yours you should not comment and that your likely one of those guys that does drink and drive. Shows how you deflect the topic. My apologies if I jumped the gun. that's just silly oh yes, its you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Point is courts set punishment not the police. I think the only confusion here is where did those orders come from. The police can't act on their own. Separation of powers you know. If it was up to me.. .drunk drivers would be punished real harsh as I find it one of the lowest crimes one can commit. Drinking and then putting others at risk because because its expensive / inconvenient to take a taxi. I have NEVER ever in my life operated a car / or motorbike while I had alcohol in my system. I am Dutch and for free drug use.. but certainly not when operating a car / motorbike. So what would you prefer if getting caught? Being fined 10.000 Baht and/or 1 month in jail on the spot or going to court and risk 60.000 Baht and/or 6 months in jail. Keep in mind that if you go to court and you get fined even only 1 Baht, you will be deported as well, because you are convicted of a criminal offense. No, you're not deported if you are fined. Two of my colleagues have been fined for DUI, an d they're both still here. (But not sure about the jail term, though - anyone know?) Quote: "Being fined 10.000 Baht and/or 1 month in jail on the spot or going to court and risk 60.000 Baht and/or 6 months in jail" Pointless. Instant jail is not the law. That would require an amendment bill in parliament to change it. Were they fined by a court? If you are convicted by a court for a criminal offense your visa will automatically rendered invalid. If fined by the police you will probably escape that. I think the OP should also read AND/OR, and you didn't answer my simple question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Point is courts set punishment not the police. I think the only confusion here is where did those orders come from. The police can't act on their own. Separation of powers you know. If it was up to me.. .drunk drivers would be punished real harsh as I find it one of the lowest crimes one can commit. Drinking and then putting others at risk because because its expensive / inconvenient to take a taxi. I have NEVER ever in my life operated a car / or motorbike while I had alcohol in my system. I am Dutch and for free drug use.. but certainly not when operating a car / motorbike. So what would you prefer if getting caught? Being fined 10.000 Baht and/or 1 month in jail on the spot or going to court and risk 60.000 Baht and/or 6 months in jail. Keep in mind that if you go to court and you get fined even only 1 Baht, you will be deported as well, because you are convicted of a criminal offense. No, you're not deported if you are fined. Two of my colleagues have been fined for DUI, an d they're both still here. (But not sure about the jail term, though - anyone know?) Quote: "Being fined 10.000 Baht and/or 1 month in jail on the spot or going to court and risk 60.000 Baht and/or 6 months in jail" Pointless. Instant jail is not the law. That would require an amendment bill in parliament to change it. Quote: "Pointless. Instant jail is not the law. That would require an amendment bill in parliament to change it". Is that still the case when a country is under martial rule (law)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 This focus on drink driving is not the real issue for Thailand's road safety Dangerous driving is the issue, unless all Thai drivers / Riders are pissed out there faces 24/7 What you think ? Could it be that dangerous driving is a result of being drunk behind the wheel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 If you are convicted by a court for a criminal offense your visa will automatically rendered invalid. When did it become automatic ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 This focus on drink driving is not the real issue for Thailand's road safety Dangerous driving is the issue, unless all Thai drivers / Riders are pissed out there faces 24/7 What you think ? I think with a name like yours you should not comment and that your likely one of those guys that does drink and drive. Shows how you deflect the topic. My apologies if I jumped the gun. that's just silly oh yes, its you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So you never drink and drive ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 If you are convicted by a court for a criminal offense your visa will automatically rendered invalid. When did it become automatic ? Since it was written in the immigration law. Stupid answers for stupid questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Were they fined by a court? If you are convicted by a court for a criminal offense your visa will automatically rendered invalid. Sorry to disappoint but your visa is made invalid the moment you step into the country with the permission of stay stamp. There is no automatic deportation for being fined by a court. The court can make a recommendation to immigration to do so depending on the level of the criminal act. Don't know where these myths come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Thankyou Tywais, exactly as I understood it as well (the deportation part). Edited June 23, 2015 by Don Mega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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