webfact Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 FAA team to test aviation standardsSUCHAT SRITAMATHE NATIONBANGKOK: -- OFFICIALS FROM the United States' Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) will arrive in Bangkok today to review Thailand's air safety progress and compliance with international standards.The FAA's air safety experts under an International Aviation Safety Assessment (IASA) programme are scheduled to meet with officials from the Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) and major airlines, including Thai Airways International.It will be the FAA's first visit to Thailand since the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) visited in January to hold extensive tests before declaring in February that Thailand did not meet with the ICAO's Significant Safety Concern (SSC) safety standards.Parichat Kotcharat, director-general of DCA, and her team will meet with the FAA experts, said Transport Minister ACM Prajin Juntong. The Thai officials will provide the latest information and progress of aviation procurement to FAA and IASA officials. The US team is expected to oversee and examine a revised aviation manual and overall action plans being prepared."FAA will be in the country until Friday. The DCA and its team have already met twice to prepare for the arrival of the FAA and IASA," said Prajin.Prajin confessed that certifying airline's licenses was one of the major issues that led the country having safety problems and the problems would be solved in time. According to a source at DCA, the visit of the FAA officials will help enhance the entire aviation industry, particularly safety standards. It will also help airlines registered in Thailand have a chance to learn oversights and mistakes."Without the arrival of the ICAO and FAA team, our aviation problem would take longer time to ease although we have set a dateline by final quarter this year," the same source said.Charamporn Jotikasthira, president of Thai Airways International, said he would meet with FAA and IASA on Thursday. However, no audit of the national airline is scheduled."THAI has no problem with safety standards and we are able to operate anywhere," said Charamporn. He added the airline would continue its cost-cutting measures along with initiating new strategies to return to profit.Under the IASA program, the FAA determines the fitness of air carriers in countries that that operate, or seek to operate, in the US, or code share with a US air carrier, and make sure they comply with safety standards established by ICAO.The IASA programme is administered by the FAA Associate Administrator for Aviation Safety (AVS), Flight Standards Service (AFS), International Programs and Policy Division (AFS-50).According to the ICAO, the IASA programme focuses on a country's ability, not the ability of individual air carriers, to adhere to international aviation safety standards and recommended practices contained in Annex 1 (Personnel Licensing), Annex 6 (Operation of Aircraft), and Annex 8 (Airworthiness of Aircraft) to the International Convention on Civil Aviation "Chicago Convention".IASA assessments determine compliance with these international standards by focusing on the eight critical elements of an effective aviation safety oversight authority specified in ICAO Document 9734, Safety Oversight Manual.Those eight critical elements are primary aviation legislation; specific operating regulations; state civil aviation system and safety oversight functions; technical personnel qualification and training; technical guidance, tools and the provision of safety critical information; licensing, certification, authorisation and approval obligations; surveillance obligations; and resolution of safety concerns.Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/business/FAA-team-to-test-aviation-standards-30264307.html-- The Nation 2015-07-13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Might not take too long to arrive at a conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckBee Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 good luck with that thailand ... put you iphones away & pay attention :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 If they come by boat for their next visit, we all know the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bra Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 That report in the Nation is one of the better ones relating to aviation. It explains what the ICAO and FAA Safety Compliance Inspections are about. The concentration is on the safety regulator (in the case of Thailand this is the Department of Aviation) to see that its meeting its regularity requirements. If it is then the airlines and other operators can be considered to be operating safely. If not ICAO and the FAA will give a low safety rating and the USA and other others may ban flights to their countries. A strong regulator is essential to oversight the airline operators, especially the Low Cost Carriers (LCCs) which will try and get away with whatever they can if not supervised efficiently. I would trust the LCCs which are owned and supervised by the major airlines like Thai (Nok Air), Singapore Airlines (Scoot and Tiger), Qantas (Jetstar) etc. . As for the others in most cases its only the professionalism of the flight crews and maintenance staff (who have low standards of pay and working conditions) that keep these reasonably safe. The safety of any airline that makes a profit of $5 or less per passenger per flight is doubtful. They are run by accountants - not aviation professionals. I suggest that this is taken into account when booking a super cheap fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 ....still putting together the manual.... ....much like the countless school projects or assignments..... ...dissertations... ...theses...... ....and we know how that works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullstop Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 United States' FAA team to test Thai aviation standards Have they been filled in about the "No fail policy"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 the FAA team will have to survive the drive from the airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOZMO Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Could be trouble for Thai Airlines!! Better stock up on BLACK paint, lol I wonder how far off the Localizer and Glideslope are??? MaYbe with the girls in charge they can use their "CHARM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastguy Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Could be a stressful week for some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Bring it on, is there anything more important to the traveller than air safety. Will weapon detection at airports be on their agenda. Get ready for a barrage of ludicrous face saving comments from thai officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
changnaam Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Recently took a flight with Thai with an 18 month old child. When I asked for a safety belt for the child they told me that child restraints were not safe and that I should just hold the child tight in the event of an emergency !!! Safe to say I have already booked with BA for the next flight. Even if they do have a shiny new A380 on the route, if I can't safely belt my kids in then they can keep it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinot Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 What the Thailand aviation industry needs to learn is that Thailand standards and World standards are different. The reason the Thais are in this mess is because of corruption and incompetence. Why has this gone on to this point? I couldn't be happier about them coming down on the Thais. I fly in Asia often and these planes need to be maintained properly, not just up to Thai safety standards. They've been very lucky one of these planes haven't gone down up till now due to negligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Dang Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 For 10 years in Australia and NZ, I dealt with US FDA Regulators, if these guys from FAA are of equal caliber, the DCA and ACM administrators wont know what hit them. Put away the BS, these guys don't too take lightly to possible fraud. And they can't except gifts of any nature. Without a doubt I can tell you what they will target first: technical personnel qualification and training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny S Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Some people in Thai DCA (and THAI) have to be ready to change some underwear in the coming days ... The whole country is a mess and the aviation in particular but when almost eveyone is corrupt, incompetent and uneducated the sh1t have to hit the fan Unfortunately thais are at least 20 years behind with most everything and nothing will change ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Thailand's air safety progress and compliance with international standards. Didn't Prayut invoke Article 44 to resolve these issues? So it looks like the FAA should understand THAIness Airlines and pass the nation's aviation standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
americansiam Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I think there are other countries worse off than Thailand with the aviation safety standards and we, the consumer, still fly into these countries. Do we ever check and see which countries do not meet these "regulations"? (NO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 "It will also help airlines registered in Thailand have a chance to learn oversights and mistakes." I reckon they have already learned "mistakes". They now need to learn how to prevent mistakes. Maybe translation of "oversight" into Thai comes out as "overlook"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djlest Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 The International flights are one problem, but look at this duct tape job i spotted on a Nok air flight last month? Shocking to say the least that Duct tape is what Thai Aircraft technicians are using now to keep Engine Panels closed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) The International flights are one problem, but look at this duct tape job i spotted on a Nok air flight last month? Shocking to say the least that Duct tape is what Thai Aircraft technicians are using now to keep Engine Panels closed... FullSizeRender_2.jpg And what was the result of the complaint to NoK air ?, after another poster did the responsible thing and reported this, doing some thing you seemed incapable of doing ?If your going to tell the story tell the full story at least Edited July 13, 2015 by Soutpeel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwest5829 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I think there are other countries worse off than Thailand with the aviation safety standards and we, the consumer, still fly into these countries. Do we ever check and see which countries do not meet these "regulations"? (NO)sReally? You accuse U.S. And international aviation bodies of singling out Thailand? They do not hold other countries flying to the U.S. By the same standards. Do tell. I think all of those of us who fly would like to know which airlines you designate as not being under the same scrutiny. Oh...could you cite some sources for the knowledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godden Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Maybe they will ask for more time like the fishermen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwest5829 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Pleasantly surprised not to hear those who usually want to tell the U.S. and international bodies to mind their own business. While I can agree that growing weight around needlessly is bullying, there do seem to be times that those pesky government regulations do show a positive affect on trying to protect folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomross46 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 There is nothing wrong with the standards. The problem is that the standards and regulations are not being followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wprime Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 In later news, US FAA team charged with 134 counts of Criminal Defamation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim walker Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Typical Americans sticking their noses where it’s not needed everyone knows Thailand’s air safety record is second to none, and with the Thai air force generals now in charge well that just says it all perfection is difficult to match the and US might pick up a few tips on how to run the FAA states side to a perfect standard similar to Thai aviation standards and don’t believe that disgraceful untrue story’s being spread by this cowboy organisation (ICAO) what do they know about Thai air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Typical Americans sticking their noses where it’s not needed everyone knows Thailand’s air safety record is second to none, and with the Thai air force generals now in charge well that just says it all perfection is difficult to match the and US might pick up a few tips on how to run the FAA states side to a perfect standard similar to Thai aviation standards and don’t believe that disgraceful untrue story’s being spread by this cowboy organisation (ICAO) what do they know about Thai air. The FAA has plenty of practice investigating aircrashes and air safety violations on their own turf, so they should be good with air safety lark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaunduhpostman Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 "Prajin confessed that certifying airline's licenses was one of the major issues that led the country having safety problems and the problems would be solved in time. According to a source at DCA, the visit of the FAA officials will help enhance the entire aviation industry, particularly safety standards. It will also help airlines registered in Thailand have a chance to learn oversights and mistakes." The language suggests that the pointing out of the aviation safety problems is the actual source and cause of the problem. You might say it's just bad translating, and it might be, yeah sure, but this attitude isn't unheard of around these parts, that problems only ever exist if they are pointed out or acknowledged. The apparent arrogance of the second THAI official suggests that the company line may in fact be just that: "THAI has no problem with safety standards and we are able to operate anywhere," said Charamporn. He added the airline would continue its cost-cutting measures along with initiating new strategies to return to profit." So, It would seem that what any aviation authorities such as the ICAO have found are immaterial. That they continue to operate anywhere is the only thing that seems relevant to this guy and the fact that we are able to operate anywhere means that we have no safety problems. What any audit turns up or what the ICAO has had to say is meaningless, apparently, to the point where it almost seems to not have happened, and not only that we are planning to cut even more corners on safety in the future so as to return more profits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deckape Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Typical Americans sticking their noses where it’s not needed everyone knows Thailand’s air safety record is second to none, and with the Thai air force generals now in charge well that just says it all perfection is difficult to match the and US might pick up a few tips on how to run the FAA states side to a perfect standard similar to Thai aviation standards and don’t believe that disgraceful untrue story’s being spread by this cowboy organisation (ICAO) what do they know about Thai air. The FAA has plenty of practice investigating aircrashes and air safety violations on their own turf, so they should be good with air safety lark Actually it is the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) who investigates airplane crashes "on their own turf". Also they are often called as experts to investigate crashes in other countries. And yes, they are good. The FAA ain't too bad either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvavin Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 If they come by boat for their next visit, we all know the outcome. They may return home by boat instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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