Koh Tao murder trial reconvenes in Koh Samui

[darren84310]

Heidi Anna our adorable Zaw Lin on the stand now. he's feeling strong! many Burmese brothers and sisters in attendance at court today! mums feeling strong and looking gorgeous! had another conversation with Mrs. Miller thanking me profusely for our conversation and hug last night. she thanked me for keeping David's name alive... blessings to all the families deeply affected by this tragic case... we demand the truth and justice and will continue to fight for it!

from her fb page 2 hrs ago

Omg our adorable??!!!?? Hugs and kisses with the victims family??? Wowwowow where is that obscure antiquated post now about the families saying the defence has a tough case to answer to??? Ahhhhhhahaja loving this already hah

Loving this???... have you forgotten that two young people were murdered and their families are never going to fully get over this, but hey ho at least you're getting your kicks out of it.

[bbbbooboo]

Umm......to put it mildly this whole trial seems very messy and I wouldn't anticipate any just outcome coming from it. TIT

[metisdead]

A post of a personal attack in nature has been nature has been, may I remind people to discuss the topic and not other posters.

more here in german

Post removed, this is an English language site, English language news sites only please.

[stephenterry]

Now a hammer? Do us a favour. You think that anyone believes such B/S?

[Equalizer]

I relation to Porntip Rojanansund. People need to understand this woman's political preferences. She was always the most prominent figure an hell raising any investigation concerning any red shirt government. She was always actively trying to discredit all the police forces under the red shirt government and has many elitist influential and powerful allies. She was brought in on 20 June 2014, media reports stated that Ponthip was recently ordered by Thailand's ruling junta to take over the Thai Forensics Institute and to "make a clean sweep" in reorganizing it. With this woman's political and ethical preferences, their is no way on earth this forensic evidence will fall in favor of the accused. Her evidence should be admissible in this case.

[stephenterry]

Umm......to put it mildly this whole trial seems very messy and I wouldn't anticipate any just outcome coming from it. TIT

I think about 90% of posters here have already sussed that out.

[catsanddogs]

A post from another poster on here which had to be removed because it was from a German news site stated that the prosecution had said a hammer had been introduced as third weapon and that shards of glass were found at the murder site.

[fireplay]

Heidi Anna our adorable Zaw Lin on the stand now. he's feeling strong! many Burmese brothers and sisters in attendance at court today! mums feeling strong and looking gorgeous! had another conversation with Mrs. Miller thanking me profusely for our conversation and hug last night. she thanked me for keeping David's name alive... blessings to all the families deeply affected by this tragic case... we demand the truth and justice and will continue to fight for it!

from her fb page 2 hrs ago

Omg our adorable??!!!?? Hugs and kisses with the victims family??? Wowwowow where is that obscure antiquated post now about the families saying the defence has a tough case to answer to??? Ahhhhhhahaja loving this already hah

Loving this???... have you forgotten that two young people were murdered and their families are never going to fully get over this, but hey ho at least you're getting your kicks out of it.

Maybe loving this is a poor choice of words sir. Sorry to offend you. I am liking very much the display or reports of displays of touching emotion and the appearance of the families coming to terms with this hoax on display by the thai rtp courts and prosecution. To clarify no i am not loving the situation these families are being put through nor the moment of terror and pain hanna and david experienced. Retribution is a long time coming in this charade please don't think I am enjoying "the show".

[Rykbanlor]

Maybe the Police added this new "fact" after it was revealed that Roti-boy had said this to the press earlier.

This whole affair is infused with "truthiness" that would shock even Serpico's work colleagues.

EDIT: about a glass bottle being used, not a hammer.

Edited September 2, 2015 by Rykbanlor

[AleG]

I hope this puts the argument that no evidence, DNA or otherwise, has been presented to rest.

Please explain why we should believe anything you write about this subject Ale...... G.....? Don't get out of your depth Sir!

Have not you already disqualified yourself from any level of truthfulness in your previous posts and/or reviews?

No, I have not disqualified myself on anything; if anything those would had been the ones that insisted that no evidence has been presented against the defendants.

[Madaussie]

BREAKING NEWS............ Just released from inside the court room in Koh Samui

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/i_was_tortured_to_confess_murdering_hannah_witheridge_accused_tells_court_today_1_4216927

He said he was taken to a location, which was not a police station, and separated from the others where he was asked if he murdered Ms Witheridge and fellow backpacker David Miller from Jersey on September 15 2014.

Zaw Lin then told the court in Koh Samui, Thailand, today that the men asked him some questions through a translator before stripping him naked in an air conditioned room and putting a plastic bag tightly over his head.

“I bit through the bag to be able to breathe so they put another bag on top of that one and the translator asked me: “Did you kill?” When I said “No”, they put another bag over my head and pulled it tight around my neck.

[Rykbanlor]

Interesting that they had a swim and came back to find their stuff was taken, doesn't take Einstein to draw some conclusions from THAT.

Edit: After taking a little time to think about that, maybe not.

Edited September 2, 2015 by Rykbanlor

[stephenterry]

I hope this puts the argument that no evidence, DNA or otherwise, has been presented to rest.

Please explain why we should believe anything you write about this subject Ale...... G.....? Don't get out of your depth Sir!

Have not you already disqualified yourself from any level of truthfulness in your previous posts and/or reviews?

No, I have not disqualified myself on anything; if anything those would had been the ones that insisted that no evidence has been presented against the defendants.

correction. No substantiated evidence.

[catsanddogs]

BREAKING NEWS............ Just released from inside the court room in Koh Samui

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/i_was_tortured_to_confess_murdering_hannah_witheridge_accused_tells_court_today_1_4216927

He said he was taken to a location, which was not a police station, and separated from the others where he was asked if he murdered Ms Witheridge and fellow backpacker David Miller from Jersey on September 15 2014.

Zaw Lin then told the court in Koh Samui, Thailand, today that the men asked him some questions through a translator before stripping him naked in an air conditioned room and putting a plastic bag tightly over his head.

“I bit through the bag to be able to breathe so they put another bag on top of that one and the translator asked me: “Did you kill?” When I said “No”, they put another bag over my head and pulled it tight around my neck.

And from this same report -

The friend, known affectionately to the two men as Mao Mao, who was also a Burmese migrant worker, has not testified. The prosecution took a statement from him at the time but they say they no longer know his whereabouts. Mao Mao worked at the bar where Zaw Lin claimed to have hidden the guitar.

This is Maung Maung they are talking about and the prosecution say they no longer know of his whereabouts! Does anyone know of his whereabouts or whether he is still alive!!

[BritTim]

If Sam Gruber's article is to be taken at face value, there is another senior investigator saying the hoe was washed. I am not sure what the count is now of police officers saying it was washed versus those saying the opposite. We may need to wait for the judge's report at the end of the trial to know whether or not it was officially washed.

The article also claims that, while glass splinters possibly from a wine bottle were found, they were not forensically examined. Presumably something else that was not relevant.

He reports that the defense received the testimony with satisfaction. I would think so, when one alleged murder weapon (hammer) was never found, the second (wine bottle) never forensically examined, and the third (hoe) cleaned before examination!

I repeat what I said in an earlier post, though. I want to see this report corroborated.

[Rykbanlor]

BREAKING NEWS............ Just released from inside the court room in Koh Samui

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/i_was_tortured_to_confess_murdering_hannah_witheridge_accused_tells_court_today_1_4216927

He said he was taken to a location, which was not a police station, and separated from the others where he was asked if he murdered Ms Witheridge and fellow backpacker David Miller from Jersey on September 15 2014.

Zaw Lin then told the court in Koh Samui, Thailand, today that the men asked him some questions through a translator before stripping him naked in an air conditioned room and putting a plastic bag tightly over his head.

“I bit through the bag to be able to breathe so they put another bag on top of that one and the translator asked me: “Did you kill?” When I said “No”, they put another bag over my head and pulled it tight around my neck.

And from this same report -

The friend, known affectionately to the two men as Mao Mao, who was also a Burmese migrant worker, has not testified. The prosecution took a statement from him at the time but they say they no longer know his whereabouts. Mao Mao worked at the bar where Zaw Lin claimed to have hidden the guitar.

This is Maung Maung they are talking about and the prosecution say they no longer know of his whereabouts! Does anyone know of his whereabouts or whether he is still alive!!

Unless he's been repatriated, or gone to work somewhere far away from Koh Tao, I wouldn't fancy the poor guys chances.

[stephenterry]

Interesting that they had a swim and came back to find their stuff was taken, doesn't take Einstein to draw some conclusions from THAT.

Edit: After taking a little time to think about that, maybe not.

As I'm not Einstein perhaps you can clarify. And are you there?

[Rykbanlor]

Interesting that they had a swim and came back to find their stuff was taken, doesn't take Einstein to draw some conclusions from THAT.

Edit: After taking a little time to think about that, maybe not.

As I'm not Einstein perhaps you can clarify. And are you there?

No, my bad, thats why I edited the post to say maybe not. I wasn't firing on all cylinders and was thinking about a week after the murders.

[AleG]

Interesting that they had a swim and came back to find their stuff was taken, doesn't take Einstein to draw some conclusions from THAT.

Edit: After taking a little time to think about that, maybe not.

That is, presumably, their explanation on why the clothes they were wearing on that night can't be produced to be examined for things like blood stains.

They already said they were too drunk to walk properly, yet the went for a swim long enough or far enough that they didn't notice someone stealing their clothes.

After this at no point they thought it relevant to go to the police to offer their testimony about this mysterious person or persons that stole their clothes near the crime scene not long before the murders.

OK...

[Transporter]

Can someone please mention the best source for watching this case now with the most accuracy.

[stephenterry]

I'll give you a hint, GB, it wasn't the b2. As long as I draw breath there is NO substantiated evidence to convict the b2.

[stephenterry]

Interesting that they had a swim and came back to find their stuff was taken, doesn't take Einstein to draw some conclusions from THAT.

Edit: After taking a little time to think about that, maybe not.

That is, presumably, their explanation on why the clothes they were wearing on that night can't be produced to be examined for things like blood stains.

They already said they were too drunk to walk properly, yet the went for a swim long enough or far enough that they didn't notice someone stealing their clothes.

After this at no point they thought it relevant to go to the police to offer their testimony about this mysterious person or persons that stole their clothes near the crime scene not long before the murders.

OK...

Why don't you wait for their testimony before drawing conclusions? As of now your opinion is not substantiated by any evidence.

[thailandchilli]

Interesting that they had a swim and came back to find their stuff was taken, doesn't take Einstein to draw some conclusions from THAT.

Edit: After taking a little time to think about that, maybe not.

That is, presumably, their explanation on why the clothes they were wearing on that night can't be produced to be examined for things like blood stains.

They already said they were too drunk to walk properly, yet the went for a swim long enough or far enough that they didn't notice someone stealing their clothes.

After this at no point they thought it relevant to go to the police to offer their testimony about this mysterious person or persons that stole their clothes near the crime scene not long before the murders.

OK...

If you were Burmese on KT at the time would you go to the RTP to offer any testimony knowing that the RTP had been focusing on the Burmese community to find suspects and knowing that many Burmese had already left the Island because they were scared of being made scapegoats

[Rimmer]

A troll post referring to Khun Porthtip has been removed also a reply to that post

[AleG]

That is, presumably, their explanation on why the clothes they were wearing on that night can't be produced to be examined for things like blood stains.

They already said they were too drunk to walk properly, yet the went for a swim long enough or far enough that they didn't notice someone stealing their clothes.

After this at no point they thought it relevant to go to the police to offer their testimony about this mysterious person or persons that stole their clothes near the crime scene not long before the murders.

OK...

If you were Burmese on KT at the time would you go to the RTP to offer any testimony knowing that the RTP had been focusing on the Burmese community to find suspects and knowing that many Burmese had already left the Island because they were scared of being made scapegoats

Other Burmese people did offer testimony to the police, although as far as I know not as contrived as the ones now on trial.

[Fat Haggis]

Ooops!! Your IQ is slipping again Joe. You are applying shill methodology again.

You don't think the hair is relevant? Where is your "presumption"? This has to be one of the worst thought out, nonsensical posts in the last few days.

Time to crawl back into your Chang methinks!

Just like the RTP case, most of the shills have fallen flat on their faces.

What is rather interesting though is that the initial (very active) apologists such as jdinasia, JTJ etc have gone completely silent, in spite of being vehemently vocal in saying, just wait for the trial. I wonder if they have (finally) seen the light of day and abandoned defending the indefensible?

Or perhaps more likely they just got tired of being in a 10 Team Tag Match all by themselves and every time there point of view differed from someone elses here, and as JC Crab best described it. .

Or maybe they also just got so sick of being called names, like shrill, or troll, or accused of derailing this forum, again only because they saw things a different way.

Personally I enjoyed there difference of opinion very much and in which my view added spice to this forum. Instead of the same old / same old, and everyone else here patting each other on the back for a case that is not even half over yet.

Spice? !!!! It's not about spice, it's about the ineptness and complacency of the investigation, the outright lies and piss poor investigative techniques by the RTP that people are critical off, and some of these "shills" have been steadfast in their support for the RTP, some of them are connected via certain people and organisations with interests to Koh Tao, some are outright liars, it is not the people seeking justice who get these threads locked, some of these people have agendas, their tacit is plain, they get people to bite, and it's another case of continuing till the mods have to step in, there's former LEO's who have commented on this farce of a trial and investigation, and the "usual suspects" dismiss their experiences and backgrounds, they're clever, but what goes around comes around!!

Spice would be a very wrong word to use in a murder trial !!

[stephenterry]

I hope this puts the argument that no evidence, DNA or otherwise, has been presented to rest.

Please explain why we should believe anything you write about this subject Ale...... G.....? Don't get out of your depth Sir!

Have not you already disqualified yourself from any level of truthfulness in your previous posts and/or reviews?

No, I have not disqualified myself on anything; if anything those would had been the ones that insisted that no evidence has been presented against the defendants.

The DNA evidence has not been substantiated,so it's just what the rtp have said, like all of their testimony.

[thailandchilli]

That is, presumably, their explanation on why the clothes they were wearing on that night can't be produced to be examined for things like blood stains.

They already said they were too drunk to walk properly, yet the went for a swim long enough or far enough that they didn't notice someone stealing their clothes.

After this at no point they thought it relevant to go to the police to offer their testimony about this mysterious person or persons that stole their clothes near the crime scene not long before the murders.

OK...

If you were Burmese on KT at the time would you go to the RTP to offer any testimony knowing that the RTP had been focusing on the Burmese community to find suspects and knowing that many Burmese had already left the Island because they were scared of being made scapegoats

Other Burmese people did offer testimony to the police, although as far as I know not as contrived as the ones now on trial.

Yes I'm aware of the other Burmese who accused the RTP of scolding them with boiling water to get information from them, there are photos of this and testimony

[BritTim]

That is, presumably, their explanation on why the clothes they were wearing on that night can't be produced to be examined for things like blood stains.

They already said they were too drunk to walk properly, yet the went for a swim long enough or far enough that they didn't notice someone stealing their clothes.

After this at no point they thought it relevant to go to the police to offer their testimony about this mysterious person or persons that stole their clothes near the crime scene not long before the murders.

OK...

If you were Burmese on KT at the time would you go to the RTP to offer any testimony knowing that the RTP had been focusing on the Burmese community to find suspects and knowing that many Burmese had already left the Island because they were scared of being made scapegoats

Other Burmese people did offer testimony to the police, although as far as I know not as contrived as the ones now on trial.

Other Burmese people did offer testimony to the police, although as far as I know not as contrived as the ones now on trial.

Really. That is interesting. Do you have sources that indicate that? My recollections are only of Burmese who were pulled in by the police to extract information, the Burmese allege forcefully.

[stephenterry]

That is, presumably, their explanation on why the clothes they were wearing on that night can't be produced to be examined for things like blood stains.

They already said they were too drunk to walk properly, yet the went for a swim long enough or far enough that they didn't notice someone stealing their clothes.

After this at no point they thought it relevant to go to the police to offer their testimony about this mysterious person or persons that stole their clothes near the crime scene not long before the murders.

OK...

If you were Burmese on KT at the time would you go to the RTP to offer any testimony knowing that the RTP had been focusing on the Burmese community to find suspects and knowing that many Burmese had already left the Island because they were scared of being made scapegoats

Other Burmese people did offer testimony to the police, although as far as I know not as contrived as the ones now on trial.

Other Burmese people did offer testimony to the police, although as far as I know not as contrived as the ones now on trial.

Really. That is interesting. Do you have sources that indicate that? My recollections are only of Burmese who were pulled in by the police to extract information, the Burmese allege forcefully.

The guy muang muang was interrogated and released. Allegedly the phone witness also gave testimony. Trouble is, there are so many reports that may or may not conflict that it is impossible to ascertain what is true. The only certainty is that the b2 are scapegoats.