Pheu Thai's Chaturon in the dark as his passports are revoked

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POLITICS
Pheu Thai's Chaturon in the dark as his passports are revoked
PRAVIT ROJANAPHRUK,
NUNTIDA PUANGTHONG
THE NATION


Chaturon

BANGKOK: -- THE TWO passports belonging to former education minister and senior Pheu Thai Party politician Chaturon Chaisaeng were revoked yesterday without the passport holder being informed about it.

Sources from the Foreign Ministry said police had made the request for revocation while a spokesman for the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) said he was not aware of any order by the junta.

"I don't know about it," said Chaturon, sounding surprised and laughing it off on the phone at around 5pm before excusing himself to verify the matter. Chaturon later called back and said he would have to check with the authorities afterwards.

"I will have to ask for a clear explanation in order to regain my rights," said Chaturon. He said that since the coup and the conditions earlier imposed on all who had been summoned by the NCPO to seek permission before travelling abroad, his request to travel outside the Kingdom had been twice rejected.

Chaturon is facing charges including refusing to comply with the orders of the NCPO for failing to report himself after being summoned in the immediate aftermath of the May 22 coup last year and is facing trial in a military court. Most recently, he has been publicly critical of the junta-sponsored draft constitution.

Sources said the request to cancel Chaturon's passports, consisting of ordinary and diplomatic passports, was made by the police to the Foreign Ministry two weeks ago for criticising the government of Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha. The cancellation of the passports was effected by the Foreign Ministry yesterday.

As of press time yesterday, NCPO spokesman Colonel Winthai Suvari said he had no knowledge of the matter. "There should be a reason for that," he said.

A senior official at the Foreign Ministry, who declined to be named, said police had made the request two weeks ago but did not give a clear reason.

Article 21 of the ministry's 2005 regulation on passports states that the court, police or Interior officials have the authority to request revocation of passports of those banned from travelling or serving a sentence or who are wanted under arrest warrants.

"It's routine work at the Foreign Ministry to revoke passports belonging to such persons," the official said.

The ministry has informed all Thai embassies and consulates abroad about the revocation of Chaturon's passports.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Pheu-Thais-Chaturon-in-the-dark-as-his-passports-a-30268017.html


-- The Nation 2015-09-03

[davehowden]

He sure looks dangerous.

[jayboy]

His passports were revoked for criticising the government! In ten years time who will be regarded as a hero and who will be regarded as pond scum?

[zaphod reborn]

They should immediately imprison any former Education minister. All of them have made the department the most corrupt in Thailand and gorged themselves on the public trough, while the teachers and students suffered. Why hasn't this guy faced the firing squad yet? I thought that was the purpose of the new anti-corruption penalties.

[aussieinthailand]

They should immediately imprison any former Education minister. All of them have made the department the most corrupt in Thailand and gorged themselves on the public trough, while the teachers and students suffered. Why hasn't this guy faced the firing squad yet? I thought that was the purpose of the new anti-corruption penalties.

Regardless of your personal thoughts, to which your are entitled, has this guy been charged with corruption and convicted?

The OP stats that police requested the passports be revoked but gave no clear reason why.

But they have said he has been critical of the charter draft, is that reason enough? a if so then ANYONE including MARK should have the same, that is passports revoked as he has criticized the draft also, along with anyone else?

[rubl]

His passports were revoked for criticising the government! In ten years time who will be regarded as a hero and who will be regarded as pond scum?

Actually the picture is a bit more complicated than that, but if you'd read the remarks made by Chaturon when he was refused permission to travel a few months back you'd know that. Also, he behaved as the normal "Pheu Thai' pain-in-the-podex before.

As for 'pond scum', who knows.

BTW

""I will have to ask for a clear explanation in order to regain my rights,""

which rights is Chatuporn referring to?

[jayboy]

His passports were revoked for criticising the government! In ten years time who will be regarded as a hero and who will be regarded as pond scum?

Actually the picture is a bit more complicated than that, but if you'd read the remarks made by Chaturon when he was refused permission to travel a few months back you'd know that. Also, he behaved as the normal "Pheu Thai' pain-in-the-podex before.

As for 'pond scum', who knows.

BTW

""I will have to ask for a clear explanation in order to regain my rights,""

which rights is Chatuporn referring to?

I'm sure there is a complicated background but the reason advanced for cancellation of passports is crystal clear.

I'm not sure why you seem to sympathise with the regime in terms of its treatment of people it finds awkward.I would have thought all patriotic Thais have a duty to resist and frustrate the current military government.

I'm sure the quislings in Soviet dominated Eastern Europe in say 1975 would be unable to imagine in their wildest dreams what would happen ten years later.

[jaywalker]

I WISH I had 2 passports.

[ginjag]

His passports were revoked for criticising the government! In ten years time who will be regarded as a hero and who will be regarded as pond scum?

Actually the picture is a bit more complicated than that, but if you'd read the remarks made by Chaturon when he was refused permission to travel a few months back you'd know that. Also, he behaved as the normal "Pheu Thai' pain-in-the-podex before.

As for 'pond scum', who knows.

BTW

""I will have to ask for a clear explanation in order to regain my rights,""

which rights is Chatuporn referring to?

I'm sure there is a complicated background but the reason advanced for cancellation of passports is crystal clear.

I'm not sure why you seem to sympathise with the regime in terms of its treatment of people it finds awkward.I would have thought all patriotic Thais have a duty to resist and frustrate the current military government.

I'm sure the quislings in Soviet dominated Eastern Europe in say 1975 would be unable to imagine in their wildest dreams what would happen ten years later.

If your not sure why Rube sympathizes with the PM, ask 90% of us on TVF, your in the crazy 10% (a good estimate) ask also the Thais who are not on the streets asking the PM to go---and it's nothing to do with FEAR.

Really what is all this rubbish about bad treatment of Thai people---the only ones that are in the clink are hostile--dangerous--shin extremists, the normal Thai is going about his business without fear of red intimidation, IN ISSAN for sure.

Soviet--eastern Europe ??? agenda rubbish as per norm. follow the Education money--tablets and the rest---

[Jon Wetherall]

His passports were revoked for criticising the government! In ten years time who will be regarded as a hero and who will be regarded as pond scum?

Actually the picture is a bit more complicated than that, but if you'd read the remarks made by Chaturon when he was refused permission to travel a few months back you'd know that. Also, he behaved as the normal "Pheu Thai' pain-in-the-podex before.

As for 'pond scum', who knows.

BTW

""I will have to ask for a clear explanation in order to regain my rights,""

which rights is Chatuporn referring to?

I'm sure there is a complicated background but the reason advanced for cancellation of passports is crystal clear.

I'm not sure why you seem to sympathise with the regime in terms of its treatment of people it finds awkward.I would have thought all patriotic Thais have a duty to resist and frustrate the current military government.

I'm sure the quislings in Soviet dominated Eastern Europe in say 1975 would be unable to imagine in their wildest dreams what would happen ten years later.

If your not sure why Rube sympathizes with the PM, ask 90% of us on TVF, your in the crazy 10% (a good estimate) ask also the Thais who are not on the streets asking the PM to go---and it's nothing to do with FEAR.

Really what is all this rubbish about bad treatment of Thai people---the only ones that are in the clink are hostile--dangerous--shin extremists, the normal Thai is going about his business without fear of red intimidation, IN ISSAN for sure.

Soviet--eastern Europe ??? agenda rubbish as per norm. follow the Education money--tablets and the rest---

Hmmm. Maybe, maybe not.

[MZurf]

His passports were revoked for criticising the government! In ten years time who will be regarded as a hero and who will be regarded as pond scum?

Actually the picture is a bit more complicated than that, but if you'd read the remarks made by Chaturon when he was refused permission to travel a few months back you'd know that. Also, he behaved as the normal "Pheu Thai' pain-in-the-podex before.

As for 'pond scum', who knows.

BTW

""I will have to ask for a clear explanation in order to regain my rights,""

which rights is Chatuporn referring to?

I'm sure there is a complicated background but the reason advanced for cancellation of passports is crystal clear.

I'm not sure why you seem to sympathise with the regime in terms of its treatment of people it finds awkward.I would have thought all patriotic Thais have a duty to resist and frustrate the current military government.

I'm sure the quislings in Soviet dominated Eastern Europe in say 1975 would be unable to imagine in their wildest dreams what would happen ten years later.

If your not sure why Rube sympathizes with the PM, ask 90% of us on TVF, your in the crazy 10% (a good estimate) ask also the Thais who are not on the streets asking the PM to go---and it's nothing to do with FEAR.

Really what is all this rubbish about bad treatment of Thai people---the only ones that are in the clink are hostile--dangerous--shin extremists, the normal Thai is going about his business without fear of red intimidation, IN ISSAN for sure.

Soviet--eastern Europe ??? agenda rubbish as per norm. follow the Education money--tablets and the rest---

Even in your deluded mind you do realise what party would have gotten the most (please note that I'm not using the word majority as this is a tittie twister for you junta lovers) votes if elections would have been held today, don't you???

[brucec64]

His passports were revoked for criticising the government! In ten years time who will be regarded as a hero and who will be regarded as pond scum?

Actually the picture is a bit more complicated than that, but if you'd read the remarks made by Chaturon when he was refused permission to travel a few months back you'd know that. Also, he behaved as the normal "Pheu Thai' pain-in-the-podex before.

As for 'pond scum', who knows.

BTW

""I will have to ask for a clear explanation in order to regain my rights,""

which rights is Chatuporn referring to?

I'm sure there is a complicated background but the reason advanced for cancellation of passports is crystal clear.

I'm not sure why you seem to sympathise with the regime in terms of its treatment of people it finds awkward.I would have thought all patriotic Thais have a duty to resist and frustrate the current military government.

I'm sure the quislings in Soviet dominated Eastern Europe in say 1975 would be unable to imagine in their wildest dreams what would happen ten years later.

If your not sure why Rube sympathizes with the PM, ask 90% of us on TVF, your in the crazy 10% (a good estimate) ask also the Thais who are not on the streets asking the PM to go---and it's nothing to do with FEAR.

Really what is all this rubbish about bad treatment of Thai people---the only ones that are in the clink are hostile--dangerous--shin extremists, the normal Thai is going about his business without fear of red intimidation, IN ISSAN for sure.

Soviet--eastern Europe ??? agenda rubbish as per norm. follow the Education money--tablets and the rest---

90%? I would ask where you pulled that number from, but I think the answer to that is obvious.

Have you been working with NIDA? They usually come out with the same type of convenient results.

[Blackfalds]

A ministry source suggested that "passport cancellation was a normal practice at the ministry." This is an unusual action and is targeting a politician the junta fears will criticize the draft constitution it is forcing.

Chaturon is an articulate critic, in both English and Thai. He needs to be silenced in the run up to the constitution confirendum.

Edited September 3, 2015 by Blackfalds

[bumpity]

beyond sad . . . this man is a Thai hero

[borisloosebrain]

Chaturon has long has a reputation as one of the few cleanskins in Thai politics. He had a very short stint as education minister lasting only a few months before the coup took place and would certainly been an improvement on any of his predessors and his military appointed successor.

[thaiguzzi]

His passports were revoked for criticising the government! In ten years time who will be regarded as a hero and who will be regarded as pond scum?

Actually the picture is a bit more complicated than that, but if you'd read the remarks made by Chaturon when he was refused permission to travel a few months back you'd know that. Also, he behaved as the normal "Pheu Thai' pain-in-the-podex before.

As for 'pond scum', who knows.

BTW

""I will have to ask for a clear explanation in order to regain my rights,""

which rights is Chatuporn referring to?

I'm sure there is a complicated background but the reason advanced for cancellation of passports is crystal clear.

I'm not sure why you seem to sympathise with the regime in terms of its treatment of people it finds awkward.I would have thought all patriotic Thais have a duty to resist and frustrate the current military government.

I'm sure the quislings in Soviet dominated Eastern Europe in say 1975 would be unable to imagine in their wildest dreams what would happen ten years later.

If your not sure why Rube sympathizes with the PM, ask 90% of us on TVF, your in the crazy 10% (a good estimate) ask also the Thais who are not on the streets asking the PM to go---and it's nothing to do with FEAR.

Really what is all this rubbish about bad treatment of Thai people---the only ones that are in the clink are hostile--dangerous--shin extremists, the normal Thai is going about his business without fear of red intimidation, IN ISSAN for sure.

Soviet--eastern Europe ??? agenda rubbish as per norm. follow the Education money--tablets and the rest---

Take the Yellow Kool Aid shades off dude, you're like a broken record. Oh, and cut down on those drugs, LSD is bad for you in the long term.

[tbthailand]

The ministry has informed all Thai embassies and consulates abroad about the revocation of Chaturon's passports.

so if he wants to travel in the future, he'll have to do like other Thai's in his position...

As an asylum seeker...

[Baerboxer]

Even in your deluded mind you do realise what party would have gotten the most (please note that I'm not using the word majority as this is a tittie twister for you junta lovers) votes if elections would have been held today, don't you???

He might have a difference of opinion than you on the likely results of any election held today or tomorrow. That doesn't make him deluded, any more than it does you.

He chooses to believe many former PTP/Shin Proxy voters would not continue their support. You chose to believe that the PTP/Shin Proxy election machine could still crank up the party faithful to vote for them.

It's noticeable how those who believe the Shin Proxy party would still attract a large, possibly the single largest vote, in any election always claim any who can't see things the way the do must be deluded, stupid, ignorant, not understanding of Thai politics etc. How Soviet in approach.

(I won't say Shin apologist, Shin lover, Shin fan, Thaksin apologist etc as that only brings out the constant denials from those who accuse all who dare comment against the Shins as being Junta loving right wing fascists).

[MZurf]

Even in your deluded mind you do realise what party would have gotten the most (please note that I'm not using the word majority as this is a tittie twister for you junta lovers) votes if elections would have been held today, don't you???

He might have a difference of opinion than you on the likely results of any election held today or tomorrow. That doesn't make him deluded, any more than it does you.

He chooses to believe many former PTP/Shin Proxy voters would not continue their support. You chose to believe that the PTP/Shin Proxy election machine could still crank up the party faithful to vote for them.

It's noticeable how those who believe the Shin Proxy party would still attract a large, possibly the single largest vote, in any election always claim any who can't see things the way the do must be deluded, stupid, ignorant, not understanding of Thai politics etc. How Soviet in approach.

(I won't say Shin apologist, Shin lover, Shin fan, Thaksin apologist etc as that only brings out the constant denials from those who accuse all who dare comment against the Shins as being Junta loving right wing fascists).

Too bad we won't know the answer as to what party would have gotten most (see, I'm not saying majority!) of the votes as the junta in their infinite wisdom has kindly relived the population of the right to do so.

[webfact]

Prayut clarifies revocation of Chaturon's passports
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha said the government revoked former education minister Chaturon Chaisaeng's passports because the senior Pheu Thai Paryut has so many case and did wrong so many times.

Chaturon was not alone. "There are still many [that are in the same condition for their passports to be terminiated]. If we don't have any rules, then we won't be able to move forward... I have nothing to lose more than this, and I'd like everyone to remember what I said, what I do and what the country would gain [from what I do]? ," Prayut said.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Prayut-clarifies-revocation-of-Chaturons-passports-30268057.html


-- The Nation 2015-09-03

[rubl]

Chaturon the hero, fighter for his type of democracy ?

2015-03-11

"Chaturon said freezing money of those who publicly opposed the coup and refused to report to the NCPO is a tactic meant to prevent people like himself from using their financial resources to mount anti-coup activities."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/807564-falling-out-with-the-ncpo-can-be-costly/

2015-02-14

"FORMER justice minister Chaturon Chaisang, who is facing the military court for refusing to answer a summons from the military junta, has asked the Criminal Court to review if the military court has the jurisdiction to put him on trial. He also asked the military court to forward his petition to the Constitutional Court to consider if the case against him is legal or not."

www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/800252-chaturons-lawyers-seek-review-of-military-courts-jurisdiction

2015-01-25

"Former education minister Chaturon Chaisang Sunday posted a message on his Facebook wall, strongly crticising the impeachment against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/794701-chaturon-says-yinglucks-impeachment-violated-democratic-rule-of-law-principles/

[jayboy]

Chaturon the hero, fighter for his type of democracy ?

2015-03-11

"Chaturon said freezing money of those who publicly opposed the coup and refused to report to the NCPO is a tactic meant to prevent people like himself from using their financial resources to mount anti-coup activities."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/807564-falling-out-with-the-ncpo-can-be-costly/

2015-02-14

"FORMER justice minister Chaturon Chaisang, who is facing the military court for refusing to answer a summons from the military junta, has asked the Criminal Court to review if the military court has the jurisdiction to put him on trial. He also asked the military court to forward his petition to the Constitutional Court to consider if the case against him is legal or not."

www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/800252-chaturons-lawyers-seek-review-of-military-courts-jurisdiction

2015-01-25

"Former education minister Chaturon Chaisang Sunday posted a message on his Facebook wall, strongly crticising the impeachment against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/794701-chaturon-says-yinglucks-impeachment-violated-democratic-rule-of-law-principles/

And what exactly is the point you are making? I don't object to people - however misguided - supporting this government but trying to make an issue of Chaturon ( generally accepted as honest and capable man) places you on indefensible ground.

[baboon]

His passports were revoked for criticising the government! In ten years time who will be regarded as a hero and who will be regarded as pond scum?

Actually the picture is a bit more complicated than that, but if you'd read the remarks made by Chaturon when he was refused permission to travel a few months back you'd know that. Also, he behaved as the normal "Pheu Thai' pain-in-the-podex before.

As for 'pond scum', who knows.

BTW

""I will have to ask for a clear explanation in order to regain my rights,""

which rights is Chatuporn referring to?

I'm sure there is a complicated background but the reason advanced for cancellation of passports is crystal clear.

I'm not sure why you seem to sympathise with the regime in terms of its treatment of people it finds awkward.I would have thought all patriotic Thais have a duty to resist and frustrate the current military government.

I'm sure the quislings in Soviet dominated Eastern Europe in say 1975 would be unable to imagine in their wildest dreams what would happen ten years later.

If your not sure why Rube sympathizes with the PM, ask 90% of us on TVF, your in the crazy 10% (a good estimate) ask also the Thais who are not on the streets asking the PM to go---and it's nothing to do with FEAR.

Really what is all this rubbish about bad treatment of Thai people---the only ones that are in the clink are hostile--dangerous--shin extremists, the normal Thai is going about his business without fear of red intimidation, IN ISSAN for sure.

Soviet--eastern Europe ??? agenda rubbish as per norm. follow the Education money--tablets and the rest---

For a start, you have no real idea about who may be in prison for defying the junta. You only know who isn't, which is not the same thing at all, unless you have access to classified information, which you don't.

90% of normal Thais were going about their business without political intimidation before power was seized anyway, so what?

[MZurf]

Prayut clarifies revocation of Chaturon's passports

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha said the government revoked former education minister Chaturon Chaisaeng's passports because the senior Pheu Thai Paryut has so many case and did wrong so many times.

Chaturon was not alone. "There are still many [that are in the same condition for their passports to be terminiated]. If we don't have any rules, then we won't be able to move forward... I have nothing to lose more than this, and I'd like everyone to remember what I said, what I do and what the country would gain [from what I do]? ," Prayut said.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Prayut-clarifies-revocation-of-Chaturons-passports-30268057.html

-- The Nation 2015-09-03

Huh??? Can someone please translate?

[CiaranO]

This article sums up the type of country this is becoming. North Korea part 2

[billd766]

My apologies for the double post.

Edited September 3, 2015 by billd766

[billd766]

beyond sad . . . this man is a Thai hero

How many Thai people have you asked if Chaturon is a hero?

Have you done a survey of perhaps 1,000 Thai people out of some 40,000,000 voters or is it just your opinion?

The Oxford Dictionaries definition of the word "hero".

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/hero

noun (plural heroes)

1A person who is admired for their courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities: a war hero

More example sentences Synonyms

1.1The chief male character in a book, play, or film, who is typically identified with good qualities, and with whom the reader is expected to sympathize: the hero of Kipling’s story

More example sentences Synonyms

1.2(In mythology and folklore) a person of superhuman qualities and often semi-divine origin, in particular one whose exploits were the subject of ancient Greek myths.

Example sentences

2 (also hero sandwich) North American another term for hoagie.

Example sentences

Phrases

1 informal

Used to refer to a sudden, rapid decline in popularity or success: he went from hero to zero just three days after being hailed as one of England’s World Cup stars

More example sentences

from hero to zero

Origin

Middle English (with mythological reference): via Latin from Greek hērōs.

Edited September 3, 2015 by billd766

[tomacht8]

They should immediately imprison any former Education minister. All of them have made the department the most corrupt in Thailand and gorged themselves on the public trough, while the teachers and students suffered. Why hasn't this guy faced the firing squad yet? I thought that was the purpose of the new anti-corruption penalties.

Why is there not a simple asset / income verification carried out.

Just looking the declared assets in the tax declaration and the real assets.

So all securities, stock- market papers, land, houses, cars, gold chains, cash holdings, etc. should be checked.

Of course that should be including the entire household.

It's quick and does not hurt.

And not that anyone thinks I'm biased.

The asset / income verification should be carried out for all high-ranking civil servants (police, army, government, administration, etc.)

Unfortunately, Thailand has not as an independent tax police.

Maybe the Assets Examination Committee can do this?

[EnglishJohn]

His passports were revoked for criticising the government! In ten years time who will be regarded as a hero and who will be regarded as pond scum?

Actually the picture is a bit more complicated than that, but if you'd read the remarks made by Chaturon when he was refused permission to travel a few months back you'd know that. Also, he behaved as the normal "Pheu Thai' pain-in-the-podex before.

As for 'pond scum', who knows.

BTW

""I will have to ask for a clear explanation in order to regain my rights,""

which rights is Chatuporn referring to?

I'm sure there is a complicated background but the reason advanced for cancellation of passports is crystal clear.

I'm not sure why you seem to sympathise with the regime in terms of its treatment of people it finds awkward.I would have thought all patriotic Thais have a duty to resist and frustrate the current military government.

I'm sure the quislings in Soviet dominated Eastern Europe in say 1975 would be unable to imagine in their wildest dreams what would happen ten years later.

Decent Thais had a duty to resist the disgraceful amnesty bill (all 310 of those dirty cronies are who you should be calling 'pond scum') and they went out to do it and got killed by people who think like you.

I don't recall red-shirts ever going to protest without it being organised and paid for. Take it from me : you people will never be remembered as heros. Quite the opposite.

[jayboy]

His passports were revoked for criticising the government! In ten years time who will be regarded as a hero and who will be regarded as pond scum?

Actually the picture is a bit more complicated than that, but if you'd read the remarks made by Chaturon when he was refused permission to travel a few months back you'd know that. Also, he behaved as the normal "Pheu Thai' pain-in-the-podex before.

As for 'pond scum', who knows.

BTW

""I will have to ask for a clear explanation in order to regain my rights,""

which rights is Chatuporn referring to?

I'm sure there is a complicated background but the reason advanced for cancellation of passports is crystal clear.

I'm not sure why you seem to sympathise with the regime in terms of its treatment of people it finds awkward.I would have thought all patriotic Thais have a duty to resist and frustrate the current military government.

I'm sure the quislings in Soviet dominated Eastern Europe in say 1975 would be unable to imagine in their wildest dreams what would happen ten years later.

Decent Thais had a duty to resist the disgraceful amnesty bill (all 310 of those dirty cronies are who you should be calling 'pond scum') and they went out to do it and got killed by people who think like you.

I don't recall red-shirts ever going to protest without it being organised and paid for. Take it from me : you people will never be remembered as heros. Quite the opposite.

Don't be more dense than you can help.I opposed the ill considered amnesty as did many who are deeply concerned by the current debacle.

If you had the wit to understand I might have attempted to educate you that complex world of Thai politics cannot be reduced to childish concepts of "you people" and "we people". But judging by the ignorance, naivety and prejudice of your posts I fear it would be a futile mission.

The thread is any event about Chaturon whose behaviour has been exemplary and will certainly be recognised as a good and principled man by future generations of free Thais.