I want facts and experience, not opinions. Thanks.

[silverado]

Is this racism? The answer is definitely an opinion.

For me, it's not directly about racism, but more about money.

They want richer foreigners.

Does it mean they only like us when we spend money? Probably.

Does that mean they are racists? May be.

protectionism doesn't mean racism...

richer foreigners does't mean than those spend more than some other (less richer)...

[Kitsune]

Like everyone they will use "agents"

Even people with proper docs use them for peace of mind.

The only way like everything here, is the backdoor with cash in hand.

[oncearugge]

Like everyone they will use "agents"

Even people with proper docs use them for peace of mind.

The only way like everything here, is the backdoor with cash in hand.

Most do not use agents.

Most Never use "backdoor's".

Facts please!

[Soutpeel]

Like everyone they will use "agents"

Even people with proper docs use them for peace of mind.

The only way like everything here, is the backdoor with cash in hand.

Most do not use agents.

Most Never use "backdoor's".

Facts please!

A verifiable link with statistics for back door jobs and agent usage would be good to

[Kitsune]

Like everyone they will use "agents"

Even people with proper docs use them for peace of mind.

The only way like everything here, is the backdoor with cash in hand.

Most do not use agents.

Most Never use "backdoor's".

Facts please!

A verifiable link with statistics for back door jobs and agent usage would be good to

Back door jobs are by definition NOT TOLD, so no stats, just people talking here

MobileContent, on 23 Oct 2015 - 11:38, said:

Just had an expat meeting last Sunday with around 20 farangs here in Isaan.

6 Farangs pay someone in Pattaya to do their extension of stay also they do not have the minimum of 400,000 Baht those brokers put in the money and charge 30,000 Baht yearly. For 90 days reportings the farangs mails his passport to Pattaya and gets it back after 4 days.

2 Farangs have a company on paper in Pattaya and got their NoneB-M from the German consulate in Frankfurt. No work permit really and they exit every 3 months via Mukdahan and return an hour later to activate the new entry. As I said the company is just on paper and not even trading properly.

1 Farang has a NoneB-M also from Frankfurt but this guy is flooded with cash, build a mansion owns a couple of European limos and has a GF from a bar in Pattaya. His visa however is valid as he invests a lot in the Thai financial market and is now looking to buy a hotel in Thailand.

[noosard]

...if one is fronting flights/accom etc back in farangistan twice a year, USD 15k, for the TE seems a bit more attractive doesnt it ?

That is a bit rich for a couple of flights and a holiday

[Soutpeel]

...if one is fronting flights/accom etc back in farangistan twice a year, USD 15k, for the TE seems a bit more attractive doesnt it ?

That is a bit rich for a couple of flights and a holiday

Over a 5 year period ?

You can do the cost analysis, its not hard to figure out

Flights - (off hand cheapests flights to say the UK over a 5 year period will be over US 6k)

Transport

Visa costs

Accommadation costs in farangistan

Food etc etc

All that twice a year and multiply by 5

And of course one would have to factor in time off work if one is working illegally, lets say 4 days minimum

And of course every time you apply you run the risk of rejection, if you cant satisfy the job details, cash in the bank etc

Edited October 24, 2015 by Soutpeel

[oncearugge]

Like everyone they will use "agents"

Even people with proper docs use them for peace of mind.

The only way like everything here, is the backdoor with cash in hand.

Most do not use agents.

Most Never use "backdoor's".

Facts please!

A verifiable link with statistics for back door jobs and agent usage would be good to

Back door jobs are by definition NOT TOLD, so no stats, just people talking here

MobileContent, on 23 Oct 2015 - 11:38, said:

Just had an expat meeting last Sunday with around 20 farangs here in Isaan.

6 Farangs pay someone in Pattaya to do their extension of stay also they do not have the minimum of 400,000 Baht those brokers put in the money and charge 30,000 Baht yearly. For 90 days reportings the farangs mails his passport to Pattaya and gets it back after 4 days.

2 Farangs have a company on paper in Pattaya and got their NoneB-M from the German consulate in Frankfurt. No work permit really and they exit every 3 months via Mukdahan and return an hour later to activate the new entry. As I said the company is just on paper and not even trading properly.

1 Farang has a NoneB-M also from Frankfurt but this guy is flooded with cash, build a mansion owns a couple of European limos and has a GF from a bar in Pattaya. His visa however is valid as he invests a lot in the Thai financial market and is now looking to buy a hotel in Thailand.

No FACTS in that just a load of unverifiable Anecdote!

[elviajero]

Is this racism? The answer is definitely an opinion.

For me, it's not directly about racism, but more about money.

They want richer foreigners.

Does it mean they only like us when we spend money? Probably.

Does that mean they are racists? May be.

Policies like this are absolutely not racist. And it's ridiculous for anyone to even consider it is.

[Soutpeel]

Is this racism? The answer is definitely an opinion.

For me, it's not directly about racism, but more about money.

They want richer foreigners.

Does it mean they only like us when we spend money? Probably.

Does that mean they are racists? May be.

Policies like this are absolutely not racist. And it's ridiculous for anyone to even consider it is.

Hence the reason i questioned it and was told to ***** ***

[Kitsune]

No FACTS in that just a load of unverifiable Anecdote!

You will never have facts or stats about back doors and corruption in a country that does not allow criticism and you know it, but the fact remains that corruption is endemic here.

If a farang will have to go to farangistan and spend alot of money to get a visa, this being Thailand, there will be always be agents offering, the same service for 20% cheaper and without leaving the country.

It's going to be the same as the "teacher license"- they made legal teaching, so unrealistic (degree in Education for poverty salary)-result = 99% of teachers (even with generic degrees) are illegal here.

Thailand is famous for making rules that they cant enforced, and thats not going to change anytime soon.

[Kitsune]

Is this racism? The answer is definitely an opinion.

For me, it's not directly about racism, but more about money.

They want richer foreigners.

Does it mean they only like us when we spend money? Probably.

Does that mean they are racists? May be.

Policies like this are absolutely not racist. And it's ridiculous for anyone to even consider it is.

Talk to the OP about this, hes the one that said its racist -not me

[Soutpeel]

Is this racism? The answer is definitely an opinion.

For me, it's not directly about racism, but more about money.

They want richer foreigners.

Does it mean they only like us when we spend money? Probably.

Does that mean they are racists? May be.

Policies like this are absolutely not racist. And it's ridiculous for anyone to even consider it is.

Talk to the OP about this, hes the one that said its racist -not me

Dont bother he will just tell you to **** ***

[oncearugge]

Seems Thailand can succeed in rattling the cage of over-stayers, visa exempt entry runners and Ed visa scammers. They are now creating "anxiety" among the serial TV users.

[Jip99]

Like everyone they will use "agents"

Even people with proper docs use them for peace of mind.

The only way like everything here, is the backdoor with cash in hand.

Most do not use agents.

Most Never use "backdoor's".

Facts please!

A verifiable link with statistics for back door jobs and agent usage would be good to

Back door jobs are by definition NOT TOLD, so no stats, just people talking here

MobileContent, on 23 Oct 2015 - 11:38, said:

Just had an expat meeting last Sunday with around 20 farangs here in Isaan.

6 Farangs pay someone in Pattaya to do their extension of stay also they do not have the minimum of 400,000 Baht those brokers put in the money and charge 30,000 Baht yearly. For 90 days reportings the farangs mails his passport to Pattaya and gets it back after 4 days.

2 Farangs have a company on paper in Pattaya and got their NoneB-M from the German consulate in Frankfurt. No work permit really and they exit every 3 months via Mukdahan and return an hour later to activate the new entry. As I said the company is just on paper and not even trading properly.

1 Farang has a NoneB-M also from Frankfurt but this guy is flooded with cash, build a mansion owns a couple of European limos and has a GF from a bar in Pattaya. His visa however is valid as he invests a lot in the Thai financial market and is now looking to buy a hotel in Thailand.

That profile would also be representative of the Farangs in my area of Thailand.

FACT.

[chiang mai]

The OP has issues from the get go, that's perfectly clear and has been reinforced throughout the thread, not sure why you guys are feeding his abusive dictatorial bravado in the first place.

[WhizBang]

• As of today there is no law or regulation limiting the number of tourist visas someone can have.
• Some embassies/consulats have individual policy and may limit the number of back to back TR's they will issue.

And do not forget 'rules' applied by individual immigration officers.

In other words, it is a total crap shoot.

[Squeegee]

The OP has issues from the get go, that's perfectly clear and has been reinforced throughout the thread, not sure why you guys are feeding his abusive dictatorial bravado in the first place.

Thank goodness somebody else noticed, I thought I was losing my marbles. The OP should have no problems at any borders because he can just tell Immigration Officers what he doesn't want.

I understand what Kitsune is saying with regards to enforcement, consistancy and opportunism but in the wider context of recent and current events and the way things are generally heading it's coming across a bit like wishful thinking.

Personally I think there will be a simple and natural solution: the single entry tourist visa will be the new visa exempt, for the runners and bouncers in tandem with exempt itself. A bit of inconvenience - or not at all - for those who really are on some kind of extended holiday, though it's certainly only going to make things worse for the language centres struggling to find teachers who will work for them illegally.

Then, as a show of what a great job they've done with the new visa system, the Thais will then pat themselves on the back with an announcement that the new overstay rules shall indeed be applied....

Sweet dreams suckers.

[Soutpeel]

The OP has issues from the get go, that's perfectly clear and has been reinforced throughout the thread, not sure why you guys are feeding his abusive dictatorial bravado in the first place.

This is true but you will notice the OP has gone rather quiet, since he got his "facts" and suspect his ring piece is twitching a lot more than normal on receiving those facts...

[Samuel25241]

No. I'm good all sorted thanks all for responses.

[NickJ]

Dont buy a house. Get married. Have kids. Open a business. Retire here....on a tourist visa.

[Samuel25241]

No it's cool I think I'm a fair bit younger than the majority of expats on here to be quite thinking of settling lol

[Kitsune]

Thank goodness somebody else noticed, I thought I was losing my marbles. The OP should have no problems at any borders because he can just tell Immigration Officers what he doesn't want.

I understand what Kitsune is saying with regards to enforcement, consistancy and opportunism but in the wider context of recent and current events and the way things are generally heading it's coming across a bit like wishful thinking.

Personally I think there will be a simple and natural solution: the single entry tourist visa will be the new visa exempt, for the runners and bouncers in tandem with exempt itself. A bit of inconvenience - or not at all - for those who really are on some kind of extended holiday, though it's certainly only going to make things worse for the language centres struggling to find teachers who will work for them illegally.

Then, as a show of what a great job they've done with the new visa system, the Thais will then pat themselves on the back with an announcement that the new overstay rules shall indeed be applied....

Sweet dreams suckers.

Even if singles are not "officially" limited in numbers, consulates have their own quotas, so soon enough visa runners will literally run out of consulates to apply to.

[IMA_FARANG]

The new METV may mean big changes in tourist visas.

There are a lot or rumors right now, but no general rules for that METV are issued yet.

Therefore, no one can really say what the changes in tourist visas may be yet

The new METV is supposed to be issued on 13 November 2015.

Before that, probably in the first week of November a meeting of the high-ups in immigration is supposed to happen

that will clarify what and how the new METV will be.

And also that may clarify any changes in tourist visa policy.

Until then nobody can really say what any new rules will be.

[Suradit69]

Thanks. Is it the same situation with extensions on visas ? They seem.... More unwilling shall we say to give them out.

"Thanks. Is it the same situation with extensions on visas ?"

You would be applying for an extension of your permission to stay (remain in Thailand), not an extension of a visa. Visas are issued by embassies or consulates and fall under the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Their purpose is to ENTER Thailand. Permissions to stay or extensions of stay are issued by immigrations, which falls under the Ministry of the Interior. Permissions and extensions of stay allow you to stay in Thailand and do not serve the same purpose as a visa ... although some people mistakenly use the terms interchangeably.

As long as you meet the requirements for an extension there's no limits. Many people have been renewing their extensions based on retirement or marriage or whatever for decades.

Edited October 25, 2015 by Suradit69

[roobaa01]

in fact the only restraints for extension of stay would be to increase the ceilings 800 k or 400 k.

wbr

roobaa01

[paz]

The new METV may mean big changes in tourist visas.

There are a lot or rumors right now, but no general rules for that METV are issued yet.

Therefore, no one can really say what the changes in tourist visas may be yet

The new METV is supposed to be issued on 13 November 2015.

Before that, probably in the first week of November a meeting of the high-ups in immigration is supposed to happen

that will clarify what and how the new METV will be.

And also that may clarify any changes in tourist visa policy.

Until then nobody can really say what any new rules will be.

No need to wait that long. As explained before, 8 Thai consulates have already published the new rules, and these are all the same or very similar. So, we kind of know already.

By the way, there will be no "immigration high-ups meeting". Thai embassy and consulate are under the Minister of foreign Affairs (executive power).

[Kitsune]

The new METV may mean big changes in tourist visas.

There are a lot or rumors right now, but no general rules for that METV are issued yet.

Therefore, no one can really say what the changes in tourist visas may be yet

The new METV is supposed to be issued on 13 November 2015.

Before that, probably in the first week of November a meeting of the high-ups in immigration is supposed to happen

that will clarify what and how the new METV will be.

And also that may clarify any changes in tourist visa policy.

Until then nobody can really say what any new rules will be.

No need to wait that long. As explained before, 8 Thai consulates have already published the new rules, and these are all the same or very similar. So, we kind of know already.

By the way, there will be no "immigration high-ups meeting". Thai embassy and consulate are under the Minister of foreign Affairs (executive power).

But... ...................but...but...but...Their own press release said the METV was in addition to the alredy existing 60 days TR visa.

Not in replacement of...

Surely they can''t be lying ?

Can't they?

But then again ...

Press Releases : Thailand launches the Multiple Entry Tourist Visa (METV) scheme

Thailand is launching the “Multiple Entry Tourist Visa (METV)” scheme. This new type of visa is an addition to the already existing 60 days tourist visa, and will be effective from 13 November 2015 onwards.

The METV is applicable to tourists of all nationalities wishing to travel to the Kingdom. Applicants can apply for the METV at all Royal Thai Embassies, Consulates-General and Honorary Consulates worldwide. The application fee is 5,000 THB with a visa validity of 6 months and the duration of stay of up to 60 days per visit.

The METV scheme aims to boost Thailand’s tourism industry and Thailand’s readiness for the ASEAN Community at the end of this year.

[oncearugge]

The new METV may mean big changes in tourist visas.

There are a lot or rumors right now, but no general rules for that METV are issued yet.

Therefore, no one can really say what the changes in tourist visas may be yet

The new METV is supposed to be issued on 13 November 2015.

Before that, probably in the first week of November a meeting of the high-ups in immigration is supposed to happen

that will clarify what and how the new METV will be.

And also that may clarify any changes in tourist visa policy.

Until then nobody can really say what any new rules will be.

No need to wait that long. As explained before, 8 Thai consulates have already published the new rules, and these are all the same or very similar. So, we kind of know already.

By the way, there will be no "immigration high-ups meeting". Thai embassy and consulate are under the Minister of foreign Affairs (executive power).

But... ...................but...but...but...Their own press release said the METV was in addition to the alredy existing 60 days TR visa.

Not in replacement of...

Surely they can''t be lying ?

Can't they?

But then again ...

Press Releases : Thailand launches the Multiple Entry Tourist Visa (METV) scheme

Thailand is launching the “Multiple Entry Tourist Visa (METV)” scheme. This new type of visa is an addition to the already existing 60 days tourist visa, and will be effective from 13 November 2015 onwards.

The METV is applicable to tourists of all nationalities wishing to travel to the Kingdom. Applicants can apply for the METV at all Royal Thai Embassies, Consulates-General and Honorary Consulates worldwide. The application fee is 5,000 THB with a visa validity of 6 months and the duration of stay of up to 60 days per visit.

The METV scheme aims to boost Thailand’s tourism industry and Thailand’s readiness for the ASEAN Community at the end of this year.

"This new type of visa is an addition to the already existing 60 days tourist visa"

60 day tourist visa AKA a Single Entry Tourist Visa.

Where is the lie ?

[Kitsune]

Damn it,keep thinking 60 days is a double!

oh well

nevermind!