US boy, 8, charged with murder after beating toddler to death

[billd766]

Maybe the mother should have been beaten to death? Six kids, one only a year old, left alone while the mother went clubbing!! The mother can post $15K bond but having a fish fry fund raiser for funeral costs??

Time for psychological, Iintelligenge, and suitabity testing before being permitted to reproduce. No pass, no kids........... mandatory sterilization.

I think in the USA if the bail bond is $15,000 then there are companies who specialise in this and the accused only has to put up 10%.

Still $1,500 is a lot of money, plus of course interest, and if the accused jumps bailo there are also specialist companies (bounty hunters) who look for them and return them to the courts jurisdiction.

[up2u2]

The boy will not be executed.

He has been placed in the care of the Child Welfare Agency and will be counselled and treated as an 8 year old child. His case is to be handled by the family court system of Alabama and will not entail a criminal trial.

His mother has been charged with manslaughter and will very likely spend some time in prison.

The hysterics can be dialed back.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/birmingham-alabama-boy-kills-toddler-after-moms-go-club-cops-n461231

Good to hear chuckd. I understand Corporate Prisons need to make a nice big fat profit and pass that on to CEO's and shareholders but executing 8 year old boys is surely taking it to extremes. There are plenty of people in poverty to prey on surely, and the War on drugs is a bonanza also 'debtors prison' is a 'river of gold' profit stream and '3 strikes and your out' policy is a daily National jackpot win.

How does the State manage a charge of manslaughter? I could understand a charge of 'child abandonment'.

[chuckd]

The boy will not be executed.

He has been placed in the care of the Child Welfare Agency and will be counselled and treated as an 8 year old child. His case is to be handled by the family court system of Alabama and will not entail a criminal trial.

His mother has been charged with manslaughter and will very likely spend some time in prison.

The hysterics can be dialed back.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/birmingham-alabama-boy-kills-toddler-after-moms-go-club-cops-n461231

To be fair Chuckd it was not hysterics that saw the boy of 11 yrs jailed for life without parole. The USA is the only country in the world that sentences children to life without parole. Many of them in jail now until they die on Felony Murder charges - They didn't even commit a murder - they were just there. Lets see what happens eh!

How about a link to the 11 year old sentenced to life. I would like to read up on the case.

Links to some of the others would be helpful as well.

Now that is very lazy. Just google or youtube and fill your boots. Enough to read and watch up on cases all day.

I must admit, I am from that old school of thought that if one makes a statement of fact, he must be able to support that fact with some form of backup. I guess you are not.

I did find one, and only one, case of an 11 year old that had been charged with murder and was ordered to stand trial as an adult, which would have resulted in a life without parole sentence if found guilty.

It is the Jordan Brown case and is still pending retrial requests.

For the record, following is a list of the 10 youngest murderers in history. Only one 14 year old received life without parole.

http://www.criminaljusticedegreesguide.com/features/10-youngest-murderers-in-history.html

[Andaman Al]

How about a link to the 11 year old sentenced to life. I would like to read up on the case.

Links to some of the others would be helpful as well.

Now that is very lazy. Just google or youtube and fill your boots. Enough to read and watch up on cases all day.

I must admit, I am from that old school of thought that if one makes a statement of fact, he must be able to support that fact with some form of backup. I guess you are not.

I did find one, and only one, case of an 11 year old that had been charged with murder and was ordered to stand trial as an adult, which would have resulted in a life without parole sentence if found guilty.

It is the Jordan Brown case and is still pending retrial requests.

For the record, following is a list of the 10 youngest murderers in history. Only one 14 year old received life without parole.

http://www.criminaljusticedegreesguide.com/features/10-youngest-murderers-in-history.html

I must admit, I am from that old school that when someone makes a statement of fact, I have the resources and intellect to vigorously confirm the validity of those facts by checking as many independent sources as I can find and never reply on any link provided by someone in a counter argument. I guess you are not.

Whether Jordon Brown is pending retrial requests or not, they are requests. What part did you not understand that he was sentenced by a Judge to life without parole. I think you need to check many more sources than the one you link to. It is frankly a national scandal that few in the US seem even aware of that there are so many minors sentenced to LWOP.

Here is one to keep you placated in your particular Old School (I guess not all schools are the same, even old ones). Read of the young man serving LWOP for felony murder. There are thousands of minors who have been sentenced in this way. It is a national disgrace.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2005/10/11/united-states-thousands-children-sentenced-life-without-parole

Read all the links, get a balanced (true?) view. Watch the videos. Everyday is a school day.

[chuckd]

The boy will not be executed.

He has been placed in the care of the Child Welfare Agency and will be counselled and treated as an 8 year old child. His case is to be handled by the family court system of Alabama and will not entail a criminal trial.

His mother has been charged with manslaughter and will very likely spend some time in prison.

The hysterics can be dialed back.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/birmingham-alabama-boy-kills-toddler-after-moms-go-club-cops-n461231

Good to hear chuckd. I understand Corporate Prisons need to make a nice big fat profit and pass that on to CEO's and shareholders but executing 8 year old boys is surely taking it to extremes. There are plenty of people in poverty to prey on surely, and the War on drugs is a bonanza also 'debtors prison' is a 'river of gold' profit stream and '3 strikes and your out' policy is a daily National jackpot win.

How does the State manage a charge of manslaughter? I could understand a charge of 'child abandonment'.

"How does the State manage a charge of manslaughter? I could understand a charge of 'child abandonment'.

So the District Attorney didn't ask for your input on the charges? Maybe it isn't too late to add your child abandonment charges.

Why not contact them and provide your expertise on a pro bono basis.

The rest of your post is off topic.

[chuckd]

How about a link to the 11 year old sentenced to life. I would like to read up on the case.

Links to some of the others would be helpful as well.

Now that is very lazy. Just google or youtube and fill your boots. Enough to read and watch up on cases all day.

I must admit, I am from that old school of thought that if one makes a statement of fact, he must be able to support that fact with some form of backup. I guess you are not.

I did find one, and only one, case of an 11 year old that had been charged with murder and was ordered to stand trial as an adult, which would have resulted in a life without parole sentence if found guilty.

It is the Jordan Brown case and is still pending retrial requests.

For the record, following is a list of the 10 youngest murderers in history. Only one 14 year old received life without parole.

http://www.criminaljusticedegreesguide.com/features/10-youngest-murderers-in-history.html

I must admit, I am from that old school that when someone makes a statement of fact, I have the resources and intellect to vigorously confirm the validity of those facts by checking as many independent sources as I can find and never reply on any link provided by someone in a counter argument. I guess you are not.

Whether Jordon Brown is pending retrial requests or not, they are requests. What part did you not understand that he was sentenced by a Judge to life without parole. I think you need to check many more sources than the one you link to. It is frankly a national scandal that few in the US seem even aware of that there are so many minors sentenced to LWOP.

Here is one to keep you placated in your particular Old School (I guess not all schools are the same, even old ones). Read of the young man serving LWOP for felony murder. There are thousands of minors who have been sentenced in this way. It is a national disgrace.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2005/10/11/united-states-thousands-children-sentenced-life-without-parole

Read all the links, get a balanced (true?) view. Watch the videos. Everyday is a school day.

Thank you for the link. Now wouldn't it have been so much easier to simply add it to your first post?

[Andaman Al]

Now that is very lazy. Just google or youtube and fill your boots. Enough to read and watch up on cases all day.

I must admit, I am from that old school of thought that if one makes a statement of fact, he must be able to support that fact with some form of backup. I guess you are not.

I did find one, and only one, case of an 11 year old that had been charged with murder and was ordered to stand trial as an adult, which would have resulted in a life without parole sentence if found guilty.

It is the Jordan Brown case and is still pending retrial requests.

For the record, following is a list of the 10 youngest murderers in history. Only one 14 year old received life without parole.

http://www.criminaljusticedegreesguide.com/features/10-youngest-murderers-in-history.html

I must admit, I am from that old school that when someone makes a statement of fact, I have the resources and intellect to vigorously confirm the validity of those facts by checking as many independent sources as I can find and never reply on any link provided by someone in a counter argument. I guess you are not.

Whether Jordon Brown is pending retrial requests or not, they are requests. What part did you not understand that he was sentenced by a Judge to life without parole. I think you need to check many more sources than the one you link to. It is frankly a national scandal that few in the US seem even aware of that there are so many minors sentenced to LWOP.

Here is one to keep you placated in your particular Old School (I guess not all schools are the same, even old ones). Read of the young man serving LWOP for felony murder. There are thousands of minors who have been sentenced in this way. It is a national disgrace.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2005/10/11/united-states-thousands-children-sentenced-life-without-parole

Read all the links, get a balanced (true?) view. Watch the videos. Everyday is a school day.

Thank you for the link. Now wouldn't it have been so much easier to simply add it to your first post?

My first post contained a link chukd. you didn't link to it And no it's not easier. the trouble with TV is people forever argue because they diss each others links as unreliable or biased, because nobody ever wants to really see the alternative side of the argument they will hold in such an entrenched manner. If people want to contribute to a debate or discussion they should have the ability and will to check numerous sources from the left to the right and draw a balanced, neutral conclusion. The problem on the forum is that people see that altering their view to agree with someone is equivalent to some kind of defeat.

There are some great things about the USA but the issue of children being incarcerated for life without chance of parole is not one of them. these are children, who cannot have consensual sex, smoke or drink but we think they can be put away for life without parole. At the age of 17 (one young boy was 15) they are transferred to adult prisons where they face horrific abuse at the hands of an adult animal population. they themselves must either develop as an inhumane animal or face a lifetime (or die) as a victim at the hands of monsters. Perhaps the death penalty for a 10-12 year old would be a more humane ending in such a prison society.

[up2u2]

"How does the State manage a charge of manslaughter? I could understand a charge of 'child abandonment'.

So the District Attorney didn't ask for your input on the charges? Maybe it isn't too late to add your child abandonment charges.

Why not contact them and provide your expertise on a pro bono basis.

The rest of your post is off topic.

Sorry thought you may have some insight into how that charge was established. The charge may possibly be 'Constructive Manslaughter':

"In the United States, misdemeanor manslaughter is a lesser version of felony murder, and covers a person who causes the death of another while committing a misdemeanor – that is, a violation of law which doesn't rise to the level of a felony. This may automatically lead to a conviction for the homicide if the misdemeanor involved is a law designed to protect human life. Many violations of safety laws are infractions, which means that a person can be convicted regardless of mens rea."

Looks a bit of a stretch though.

Just out of interest chuckd. A business owner takes the afternoon off to play golf. Whilst he is not on the premises an argument breaks out in the work place and a murder occurs. Guy gets pissed off pulls out a gun and shoots another employee dead. Now on the way to the golf course the business owner is involved in a car accident. Totally his fault and is charged at the accident scene with misdemeaner driving offence 'causes injury to a person or destruction of property'. The Prosecutor then charges the business owner with Constructive Manslaughter' for the murder that occurred at his business whilst he was committing a misdemeanor traffic offence.