AirAsia crash: Faulty part 'major factor'

[stevenl]

did a flight with air Asia.

captain was 25 years old. at this age, we are not able to take reasonable and mature decision. if girlfriend quit him, what would happen?

So apparently not only SEA women look younger than they really are.

[Aussieroaming]

Well a summary from a PPRUNE poster suggest just crap flying again, although if the fault hadn't happened in the first place maybe they would not have had to react so poorly.

Why would you pitch up when the stall warning has sounded?

This First Officer and First Officer Bonin on Air France 447 did exactly the same - full aft on the side stick - full stall all the way from cruise to the water -- why ????

From the A320 FCTM ( Flight Crew Training Manual):

The effectiveness of fly-by-wire architecture, and the existence of control laws, eliminates the need for upset recovery maneuvers to be trained on protected Airbus

With fly by wire the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. The second Officer on Air France 447 held the stick back but the sticks don't move but are pressure sensitive so the pilot in command of that flight didn't know he was pulling back on the stick! crazy stuff because the second officer kept that plane stalled all the way into the ocean

So in an emergency isn't the captain supposed to take control and the first officer is supposed to do as he/she is advised?

[tigermonkey]

Well a summary from a PPRUNE poster suggest just crap flying again, although if the fault hadn't happened in the first place maybe they would not have had to react so poorly.

Why would you pitch up when the stall warning has sounded?

This First Officer and First Officer Bonin on Air France 447 did exactly the same - full aft on the side stick - full stall all the way from cruise to the water -- why ????

From the A320 FCTM ( Flight Crew Training Manual):

The effectiveness of fly-by-wire architecture, and the existence of control laws, eliminates the need for upset recovery maneuvers to be trained on protected Airbus

With fly by wire the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. The second Officer on Air France 447 held the stick back but the sticks don't move but are pressure sensitive so the pilot in command of that flight didn't know he was pulling back on the stick! crazy stuff because the second officer kept that plane stalled all the way into the ocean

So in an emergency isn't the captain supposed to take control and the first officer is supposed to do as he/she is advised?

That is exactly how it is supposed to work, provided both pilots are properly programmed unemotional robots. In fact, in every incident/accident that I am aware of, that is exactly how it did work, if the pilots were properly programmed unemotional robots.

[Chicog]

Well a summary from a PPRUNE poster suggest just crap flying again, although if the fault hadn't happened in the first place maybe they would not have had to react so poorly.

Why would you pitch up when the stall warning has sounded?

This First Officer and First Officer Bonin on Air France 447 did exactly the same - full aft on the side stick - full stall all the way from cruise to the water -- why ????

From the A320 FCTM ( Flight Crew Training Manual):

The effectiveness of fly-by-wire architecture, and the existence of control laws, eliminates the need for upset recovery maneuvers to be trained on protected Airbus

With fly by wire the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. The second Officer on Air France 447 held the stick back but the sticks don't move but are pressure sensitive so the pilot in command of that flight didn't know he was pulling back on the stick! crazy stuff because the second officer kept that plane stalled all the way into the ocean

So in an emergency isn't the captain supposed to take control and the first officer is supposed to do as he/she is advised?

That's not really true any more; after a spate of accidents where the junior officer was afraid to point out potentially disastrous errors being made by the Captain, airlines introduced Cockpit (or Crew) Resource Management, specifically to avoid such circumstances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_resource_management

Edited December 2, 2015 by Chicog

[kingalfred]

Court action against incompetent airline. How come its still running in Indonesia after it broke the aviation rules. Corruption

[thaiman]

The take away from this is I will never fly AA Indonesia ever again.

Right, and do you seriously think Thai AA is any different? I don't.

Indonesian planes seem to fall out of the sky at a slightly higher rate than their neighboring countries, so I suspect there is some difference.

Yes, hasn't indonesia had one of the longest running worst track records in the world?

[MiKT]

I am shocked to find that such mission critical components are still soldered into place and that there was not some kind of 2 from 3 choice in the control logic software. Or more likely we are getting a half-baked report of what really went on, which tends to speculation that AirAsia were using counterfeit parts for critical systems.

[gandalf12]

Regarding Air safety with reference to Air Asia this link is worth looking at: http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/101east/2016/07/safe-asia-airlines-160706102959798.html