89 day-report?

[Atum]

Today, the 3rd of December, I went in person to Immigration to make my 90-day report. I only stay in Thailand about 176-178 days a year and the rest of the time I stay in my home country in Europe. I'm leaving Thailand on the 1st of March 2016 to spend 6 months in Europe. Last week I checked to see which days I could make my 90-day Report so I would not have to do it again right before my departure on the 1st of March - and I found out I could do the report on either the 3rd or the 4th of December - and then my next report would be after I left Thailand, on the 2nd or 3rd of March, which would mean I wouldn't have to do it until 90 days after I came back again to Thailand, because the arrival card counts as a 90-day report.

But on the receit after I finished my 90-day report it said "1 MAR 2016". That is only 89 days from 3 DEC 2015, unless they count INCLUDING 3 DEC. Which means next time I use a date calculator on the Web I have to put in 2 DEC to 1 MAR when I want to calculate a 90 day report from 3 DEC to 1 MAR??

And this also means I have to make another 90 day report just before I leave on 1 MAR 2016?

Fun, fun, fun!

And yes, I know I can report by post on the 90 day report, but that was not my question.

So am I right that 90-day reports are really 89 day reports? Or did Immigration make a mistake today - and I can go back there and get the stamp changed to 2 MAR 2016 from 1 MAR 2016?

Help!

[KhunBENQ]

So am I right that 90-day reports are really 89 day reports?

You ARE right, 89 days after last due date.

One of the quirks of immigration time schemes.

Only with using the grace period you can manage to make the year (365/366 days) with (only) four reports.

It can become an art of time planning to keep the one year extension in sync with the "90" day report , so that you can do report and extension on one visit.

To me the internet report works fine, so I don't care about it anymore. Be it five reports per year, who cares then.

I even use the grace period for internet report in advance (14 days before due date).

What was your exact due date for the report that you did today?

And likely they won't notice that missing report if you leave on March 1.

Its not checked at departure.

Edited December 3, 2015 by KhunBENQ

[KhunBENQ]

I only stay in Thailand about 176-178 days a year

If you stretch the grace period you could span 184 days with only one report.

Latest date for first report is 95 days after arrival.

95 + 89 = 184.

[Atum]

You ARE right, 89 days after last due date.

One of the quirks of immigration time schemes.

Only with using the grace period you can manage to make the year (365/366 days) with (only) four reports.

It can become an art of time planning to keep the one year extension in sync with the "90" day report , so that you can do report and extension on one visit.

To me the internet report works fine, so I don't care about it anymore. Be it five reports per year, who cares then.

I even use the grace period for internet report in advance (14 days before due date).

What was your exact due date for the report that you did today?

And likely they won't notice that missing report if you leave on March 1.

Its not checked at departure.

I arrived in Thailand on a flight from Europe on 5 SEP 2015. I think that makes my 'Exact Due Date' 3 DEC 2015, which is today, when I was at Immigration and made my 90-day report.

[KhunBENQ]

Correct.

Your latest day would have been Wednesday, Dec 9.

For your next visit

[Atum]

Correct.

Your latest day would have been Wednesday, Dec 9.

For your next visit

Thank you for your help, KhunBENQ! I learned something new today. 90=89=thai logic.

Aaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[expatbrit]

Correct.

Your latest day would have been Wednesday, Dec 9.

For your next visit

Thank you for your help, KhunBENQ! I learned something new today. 90=89=thai logic.

Aaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

90 does not = 89 !

Open the link and learn to count whilst recognising the "fencepost" problem !

http://betterexplained.com/articles/learning-how-to-count-avoiding-the-fencepost-problem/

[Atum]

90 does not = 89 !

Open the link and learn to count whilst recognising the "fencepost" problem !

http://betterexplained.com/articles/learning-how-to-count-avoiding-the-fencepost-problem/

Immigration has made a choice to count day number 90 twice - over and over again.

If you always make a new 90-day report on day 90, then it goes like this: 1-90, 90-179, 179-268, etc.

There is no reason Immigration could not have done it like this instead: 1-90, 91-180, 181-270, etc.

There are just as many "fenceposts" in each example.

But Immigration chose Option A, and that's the way it is, that's the way we have to count, kind of like 90 is 89, but not quite...

[FlorC]

Last 90 report , Nan immigration only gave me 85 days. Probably an error. No biggie ,I'll just do my next one earlier because I don't want to be late and pay.

[KhunBENQ]

Last 90 report , Nan immigration only gave me 85 days. Probably an error. No biggie ,I'll just do my next one earlier because I don't want to be late and pay.

Normally its 89 days after the date of reporting (which can be earlier or later than the due date).

If you report early and compare with the due date then you "loose" some days.

For internet reporting its 89 days after the approved date (following the online application) at least in my cases.

Edited December 3, 2015 by KhunBENQ

[FlorC]

Last 90 report , Nan immigration only gave me 85 days. Probably an error. No biggie ,I'll just do my next one earlier because I don't want to be late and pay.

Normally its 89 days after the date of reporting (which can be earlier or later than the due date).

If you report early and compare with the due date then you "loose" some days.

For internet reporting its 89 days after the approved date (following the online application) at least in my cases.

I always send my TM by post a week before due date , and it always comes back with the normal 89 days (counted from the due date on the TM document, except this time....so they made an error.

[ubonjoe]

They probably didn't make mistake. The officer counted the 90 days from the date he processed your report like they do at most immigration offices.