Baffling statistics fail to hide Thailand's worrying gun crime problem

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Baffling statistics fail to hide Thailand’s worrying gun crime problem
by James Austin Farrell

BANGKOK: -- IN January three people were shot and killed in Bangkok over what the Bangkok Post said was a, “long-standing dispute over parking.”

Two women and a male neighbor who had intervened in the argument were killed by Thossaporn Pitakwattananon. In another long-standing feud, according to the Bangkok Post, a gardener shot and killed a colleague at Thammasat University later in February.

Just this last weekend a reportedly “jealous lover” shot and killed his girlfriend in a Bangkok shopping mall, and immediately after the man shot himself in the head. A nine-year-old girl was also hit in the face by a stray bullet over the weekend.

These incidents happened just a few months following reports of Thailand’s high per capita gun murder rate,

Full story: https://asiancorrespondent.com/2016/02/thailand-gun-crime/

-- ASIAN CORRESPONDENT 2016-02-16

[clockman]

Remember no transparency in any sector. 10 million known guns. And higher hand gun murders, per population than America!

Edited February 16, 2016 by clockman

[GeorgesAbitbol]

Gun control anyone?

[worgeordie]

There will be a lot more around once the police get all their new ones,

and they sell off their old ones.

regards Worgeordie

[leeneeds]

An order for 150,000 pistols sig sauer p320 @ 18,000 baht a gun = 270000000 baht ,

a policy of no hand in service pistol you have now , then no new one given,

scrutiny by independent ,verifiable and accountable issuer.

when you consider technology with stun guns and tasers and strobe lights as an effective tool one wonders why we need more guns in todays society period.

[phoenixdoglover]

Not enough good guys have guns. I heard this somewhere.

[NeverSure]

An order for 150,000 pistols sig sauer p320 @ 18,000 baht a gun = 270000000 baht ,

a policy of no hand in service pistol you have now , then no new one given,

scrutiny by independent ,verifiable and accountable issuer.

when you consider technology with stun guns and tasers and strobe lights as an effective tool one wonders why we need more guns in todays society period.

Those deterrents aren't used against guns. They are used against unruly and otherwise dangerous people to subdue them physically.

If a guy is threatening you with a gun...

"Never bring a stun gun to a gunfight."

Cheers.

[chainarong]

Lot s of countries have this worrying trend happening, Australia has gun control , that hasn't stopped gun related crime and murder on a weekly basis , it possibly only slows down the effect, there is a high degree of knifings being used as a weapon of choice in OZ also, so , you eliminate one another comes along.....................

[leeneeds]

An order for 150,000 pistols sig sauer p320 @ 18,000 baht a gun = 270000000 baht ,

a policy of no hand in service pistol you have now , then no new one given,

scrutiny by independent ,verifiable and accountable issuer.

when you consider technology with stun guns and tasers and strobe lights as an effective tool one wonders why we need more guns in todays society period.

Those deterrents aren't used against guns. They are used against unruly and otherwise dangerous people to subdue them physically.

If a guy is threatening you with a gun...

"Never bring a stun gun to a gunfight."

Cheers.

thats the point remove all the guns , none needed anymore,

[iReason]

It's not about gun control.

Although many are quick to jump on that bandwagon and are missing the point.

It's about self-control and the childlike mentality that is a cancer on this nation: Losing Face.

"The high numbers of homicides in Thailand, it was reported, was often due to “loss of face and businesses disputes”, which recent deaths would appear to confirm."

"What may make Thailand stand-out however is that so many murders we hear about ... happen over what most people would consider trivial matters, mostly concerning ‘loss of face’."

“You see in Thailand there’s no 1, 2, 3,” he said. “There’s only a 3. In some countries you have a shouting match, then you have a fight and sometimes it goes to murder.

Here, you can get into an argument and the next thing you know you have been shot.” People don’t like losing face, he said, and on top of that it’s easy to acquire a firearm."

"As has been reported, losing face seems to bear much of the responsibility for murders in Thailand, perhaps more so than in other countries where ‘face’ is not deemed quite as important."

Edited February 16, 2016 by iReason

[PaullyW]

It's not about gun control.

Although many are quick to jump on that bandwagon and are missing the point.

It's about self-control and the childlike mentality that is a cancer on this nation: Losing Face.

"The high numbers of homicides in Thailand, it was reported, was often due to “loss of face and businesses disputes”, which recent deaths would appear to confirm."

"What may make Thailand stand-out however is that so many murders we hear about ... happen over what most people would consider trivial matters, mostly concerning ‘loss of face’."

“You see in Thailand there’s no 1, 2, 3,” he said. “There’s only a 3. In some countries you have a shouting match, then you have a fight and sometimes it goes to murder.

Here, you can get into an argument and the next thing you know you have been shot.” People don’t like losing face, he said, and on top of that it’s easy to acquire a firearm."

"As has been reported, losing face seems to bear much of the responsibility for murders in Thailand, perhaps more so than in other countries where ‘face’ is not deemed quite as important."

Face is a serious concept across most of East Asia, but what Thai culture is missing that Japanese or Korean is not is honor and shame. Honor and shame normally serve as counterbalances to loss of face. In Thai culture, there appears only the nourishing of the self ego and without ingrained notions of honor (right from wrong) and shame, there is little to make anyone reconsider harming someone else - - irrespective of who was right and who was wrong.

[tomross46]

Lets something clear we are not taking about guns, we are talking about weapons. There is a big difference. If any of you have seen the movie "Full Metal Jacket" you would understand.

Edited February 16, 2016 by tomross46

[MZurf]

Lot s of countries have this worrying trend happening, Australia has gun control , that hasn't stopped gun related crime and murder on a weekly basis , it possibly only slows down the effect, there is a high degree of knifings being used as a weapon of choice in OZ also, so , you eliminate one another comes along.....................

"... there is a high degree of knifings being used as a weapon of choice in OZ also, so , you eliminate one another comes along......"

Yes, but it's more difficult to slaughter 50 school children with a knife than an assault rifle, right?

[PaullyW]

Lets something clear we are not taking about guns, we are talking about weapons. There is a big difference. If any of you have seen the movie "Full Metal Jacket" you would understand.

In fact, we are talking about culture.

We have evidence that humans are able to live in much greater harmony than is found in Thailand. Random examples: Scandinavia, Japan, Korea, Singapore

We must identify why some societies fare much better than others.

Many issues in Thai culture and society that must be addressed.

Have you ever noticed that people here just cannot disagree? They do not know how to disagree and detach their ideas of disagreement with a particular concept or decision from the person or people involved. Hence 100 years of chaotic politics (among the most chaotic in the world).

They must address their cultural shortcomings which I imagine will be incredibly painful for them. Redefining the Thainess they are so permanently proud of.

[leeneeds]

Life is getting devalued by the day , fragile as life is , we as humans fail in basic human apathy the world over not just here,

knowledge of what we do to address the human faults that we all have and some can not control is really a sham on society as a whole,

how far have we come in 2016 when you look back, at past centuries, killing for jealousy , wanting some else running shoes, parking space, iPhone , wanting what your neighbour has, different material things , when you hear of such atrosities and how pathetic the perpertators are,

Whats really changed can some one please tell me as i really fear for the life and future of my children what type of world am i going to leave for them , when we can not fix such a simple thing and ban all guns,

or go the other way and give every one a gun, like Switzerland where every adult gets issued with a rifle and gets trained on how to use it,, they have the lowest gun related crime rate in the world.

[NongKhaiKid]

I apologise for my repetitive view about the use of firearms here which never prompts much in the way of statements from on high.

Firearms it seems are exempt from crackdowns, purges and any of the other usual buzz words.

[Baerboxer]

An order for 150,000 pistols sig sauer p320 @ 18,000 baht a gun = 270000000 baht ,

a policy of no hand in service pistol you have now , then no new one given,

scrutiny by independent ,verifiable and accountable issuer.

when you consider technology with stun guns and tasers and strobe lights as an effective tool one wonders why we need more guns in todays society period.

Those deterrents aren't used against guns. They are used against unruly and otherwise dangerous people to subdue them physically.

If a guy is threatening you with a gun...

"Never bring a stun gun to a gunfight."

Cheers.

thats the point remove all the guns , none needed anymore,

Remove all the guns, knives, swords, brass knuckles, and any other weapons.

Remove all the people who have violent, anti-social, psychopathic and psychotic tendencies.

Remove criminals and those with criminal tendencies.

Remove all who demonstrate any behavior or thoughts not considered PC or in line with state thinking and culture.

That should do it.

Oh yes, and have a well armed, well trained security services to protect those who make all he decisions.

[leeneeds]

An order for 150,000 pistols sig sauer p320 @ 18,000 baht a gun = 270000000 baht ,

a policy of no hand in service pistol you have now , then no new one given,

scrutiny by independent ,verifiable and accountable issuer.

when you consider technology with stun guns and tasers and strobe lights as an effective tool one wonders why we need more guns in todays society period.

Those deterrents aren't used against guns. They are used against unruly and otherwise dangerous people to subdue them physically.

If a guy is threatening you with a gun...

"Never bring a stun gun to a gunfight."

Cheers.

thats the point remove all the guns , none needed anymore,

Remove all the guns, knives, swords, brass knuckles, and any other weapons.

Remove all the people who have violent, anti-social, psychopathic and psychotic tendencies.

Remove criminals and those with criminal tendencies.

Remove all who demonstrate any behavior or thoughts not considered PC or in line with state thinking and culture.

That should do it.

Oh yes, and have a well armed, well trained security services to protect those who make all he decisions.

illogical, reply , your thinking

[inaktive]

the problem is not the guns its the mentality of the locals that value lifes less than saving face

[MZurf]

An order for 150,000 pistols sig sauer p320 @ 18,000 baht a gun = 270000000 baht ,

a policy of no hand in service pistol you have now , then no new one given,

scrutiny by independent ,verifiable and accountable issuer.

when you consider technology with stun guns and tasers and strobe lights as an effective tool one wonders why we need more guns in todays society period.

Those deterrents aren't used against guns. They are used against unruly and otherwise dangerous people to subdue them physically.

If a guy is threatening you with a gun...

"Never bring a stun gun to a gunfight."

Cheers.

thats the point remove all the guns , none needed anymore,

Remove all the guns, knives, swords, brass knuckles, and any other weapons.

Remove all the people who have violent, anti-social, psychopathic and psychotic tendencies.

Remove criminals and those with criminal tendencies.

Remove all who demonstrate any behavior or thoughts not considered PC or in line with state thinking and culture.

That should do it.

Oh yes, and have a well armed, well trained security services to protect those who make all he decisions.

You forgot to list remove the right to vote. Ooops, sorry. My bad. Already done.

[SOTIRIOS]

.....psyche...mentality....I.Q.....environmental poisons....food additives......

....a formula for lunacy.......

...I joined over 100 amulet clubs on Facebook...they used to flaunt their weapons...maybe 10-20 postings a day.....

...besides that...they show these videos of either men or women....attacking a victim....and repeatedly kicking them in the head with abandon......

...even when they are lying on the ground...defenseless and almost lifeless....

...sorry...you gotta face the facts....

...as was published in the newspaper 13 years ago when I first came to Thailand...."The average I.Q. of Thai students is 89" .....

...God Help us.....

[RigPig]

No need for hand guns, they are only designed for 1 reason .... and that isn't hunting Tigers or Buffalo.....

[RigPig]

An order for 150,000 pistols sig sauer p320 @ 18,000 baht a gun = 270000000 baht ,

a policy of no hand in service pistol you have now , then no new one given,

scrutiny by independent ,verifiable and accountable issuer.

when you consider technology with stun guns and tasers and strobe lights as an effective tool one wonders why we need more guns in todays society period.

A proper Taser is illegal here, so go buy a 9mm Beretta.....

[TPI]

An order for 150,000 pistols sig sauer p320 @ 18,000 baht a gun = 270000000 baht ,

a policy of no hand in service pistol you have now , then no new one given,

scrutiny by independent ,verifiable and accountable issuer.

when you consider technology with stun guns and tasers and strobe lights as an effective tool one wonders why we need more guns in todays society period.

So Mr leeneeds, non violent solutions to violent situations? Interesting! I'll come at you with a parang with deadly intent and you can play your strobe light and even shoot me with the taser and hold our your stun gun......but your wife will be a widow! Where have you ever seen these electronic devices work better than a well placed shot by a well trained policeman? Dreamer!

[williamgeorgeallen]

Gun control anyone?

most firearms are not registered, how do you control them?

[TPI]

No need for hand guns, they are only designed for 1 reason .... and that isn't hunting Tigers or Buffalo.....

I can't see the police being happy with a .600 nitro express double rifle, isn't that what you meant? Actually batons, handcuffs and pistols are meant to protect the police officer from the evil intents of the criminal, as per OHAS, what did you think they were for??

[leeneeds]

An order for 150,000 pistols sig sauer p320 @ 18,000 baht a gun = 270000000 baht ,

a policy of no hand in service pistol you have now , then no new one given,

scrutiny by independent ,verifiable and accountable issuer.

when you consider technology with stun guns and tasers and strobe lights as an effective tool one wonders why we need more guns in todays society period.

So Mr leeneeds, non violent solutions to violent situations? Interesting! I'll come at you with a parang with deadly intent and you can play your strobe light and even shoot me with the taser and hold our your stun gun......but your wife will be a widow! Where have you ever seen these electronic devices work better than a well placed shot by a well trained policeman? Dreamer!

you can blow someones candle out but that does not make yours shine any brighter,

[TPI]

An order for 150,000 pistols sig sauer p320 @ 18,000 baht a gun = 270000000 baht ,

a policy of no hand in service pistol you have now , then no new one given,

scrutiny by independent ,verifiable and accountable issuer.

when you consider technology with stun guns and tasers and strobe lights as an effective tool one wonders why we need more guns in todays society period.

Those deterrents aren't used against guns. They are used against unruly and otherwise dangerous people to subdue them physically.

If a guy is threatening you with a gun...

"Never bring a stun gun to a gunfight."

Cheers.

thats the point remove all the guns , none needed anymore,

Damn it, I really really don't want to try any drugs you're using! People use whatever is to hand, God you're a worry!!

[RigPig]

No need for hand guns, they are only designed for 1 reason .... and that isn't hunting Tigers or Buffalo.....

I can't see the police being happy with a .600 nitro express double rifle, isn't that what you meant? Actually batons, handcuffs and pistols are meant to protect the police officer from the evil intents of the criminal, as per OHAS, what did you think they were for??

Yep I agree, but if they can't even account for their own weapons what hope is there?

[maxtingtong]

Kids learn to build their own guns at technical schools, it's really plenty of homemade guns, can buy for a couple thousand bahts, there's nearly one in every house. Add this to very short tempered mentality and attitude to understand why this is hopeless