The Grand Palace...the great mass of Chinese humanity

[baneko]

In Siem Reap the Cambodians were sick of their behaviour in all of the temples and restaraunts.....they even thought that they were stealing stones in the still not re constructed parts.....Loud and no respect....if a donkey goes round the world he still comes back a donkey.

[LawrenceChee]

In Siem Reap the Cambodians were sick of their behaviour in all of the temples and restaraunts.....they even thought that they were stealing stones in the still not re constructed parts.....Loud and no respect....if a donkey goes round the world he still comes back a donkey.

I agree with you and I'm Chinese too ...working with the various government agencies , I don't think there will be much changes this coming decade unfortunately.

The hopes is pinned on the next generation and their kids ....you can already see some of the millennium Chinese on their own , backpacking and behaving like good tourists but they are in the minority now.

Remember in the cultured society groups which numbers about 15% ( huge for 1.5 billion) , you rarely see them but your friends who work in the hospitality industry would have seen and hosted some of them

They come quietly in no fanfare in their tinted Audis or Bentleys, they check in quietly in their suites and complete their business or leisure day at their time

Extremely pleasant to interact with and their manners are impeccable but you don't see them unloading off a bus. I just hosted a few individuals in Shanghai , very unassuming and figure groups in history and preserving Chinese art and they were there to negotiate and buy over a hutong house to preserve its tiles and heritage

[BookMan]

In Siem Reap the Cambodians were sick of their behaviour in all of the temples and restaraunts.....they even thought that they were stealing stones in the still not re constructed parts.....Loud and no respect....if a donkey goes round the world he still comes back a donkey.

A couple more years and another million or 2 Chinese visitors a year... Will we be seeing a surge in respect and/or desire for the average farang traveller to Thailand?

[BookMan]

The hopes is pinned on the next generation and their kids ....you can already see some of the millennium Chinese on their own , backpacking and behaving like good tourists but they are in the minority now.

You see a few of the young independent Chinese traveler types on the BTS...

If they have a small suitcase on wheels It is worth following then to the exit gates. They will put their ticket into the machine and make the mistake of pushing their bag through the gate before them... The result is the security barriers slamming shut as they move through

It's a painful experience when it happens to me, but amusing when it happens to others.

[Thian]

In Siem Reap the Cambodians were sick of their behaviour in all of the temples and restaraunts.....they even thought that they were stealing stones in the still not re constructed parts.....Loud and no respect....if a donkey goes round the world he still comes back a donkey.

I agree with you and I'm Chinese too ...working with the various government agencies , I don't think there will be much changes this coming decade unfortunately.

The hopes is pinned on the next generation and their kids ....you can already see some of the millennium Chinese on their own , backpacking and behaving like good tourists but they are in the minority now.

Remember in the cultured society groups which numbers about 15% ( huge for 1.5 billion) , you rarely see them but your friends who work in the hospitality industry would have seen and hosted some of them

They come quietly in no fanfare in their tinted Audis or Bentleys, they check in quietly in their suites and complete their business or leisure day at their time

Extremely pleasant to interact with and their manners are impeccable but you don't see them unloading off a bus. I just hosted a few individuals in Shanghai , very unassuming and figure groups in history and preserving Chinese art and they were there to negotiate and buy over a hutong house to preserve its tiles and heritage

It seems that in China they know how to deal with bad manners

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6736056/4019dbf1/zaadjes_vreten_in_de_metro.html

[Johpa]

The visiting Chinese are simply in awe of an ancient palace dedicated to a Teo Chieu dynasty.

[kkerry]

The enormous number of Chinese tourists at the Grand Palace is nothing new.

Edited March 17, 2016 by kkerry

[DrTuner]

In Siem Reap the Cambodians were sick of their behaviour in all of the temples and restaraunts.....they even thought that they were stealing stones in the still not re constructed parts.....Loud and no respect....if a donkey goes round the world he still comes back a donkey.

A couple more years and another million or 2 Chinese visitors a year... Will we be seeing a surge in respect and/or desire for the average farang traveller to Thailand?

No. Thais seem to lack long term memory, farangs of yesteryear are already forgotten. New ones are getting thinner on the ground. They'll adapt and start spitting on the floor.

[gk10002000]

yeah, I went a few years back and of course the temple was "closed" for the monks. Of course I was just diagonally across from the main entrance and could see people streaming in. Anyway I went with the guy on the Tuk Tuk as it was early and I am up for an adventure. We went to two temples, one was the marble one and that was OK. Then we went to the gem shop. That was mildly interesting. I think I bought a post card. Of course the driver was watching me closely to see if I bought anything. He got some sort of gas coupon or something. He was less than happy with me but after a total of about 3 hours I think I said, let's go, back to the palace. He was not smiling much. I did give him a tip because while we both may have had different goals, I was content with the tuk tuk ride and the mini tour.

[gk10002000]

I am pretty sure the tours over promote this to the Chinese and the Chinese are expecting some much larger complex, similar to the opening and giant court yard into the Chinese Grand Palace.

[LawrenceChee]

For all the Travelers who love being solo

Here's the main itinerary of Chinese Tour Buses so that you can avoid the crowds

- Angkor Wat Sunrise

- Breakfast at Local Restaurant

- Jolies Temple of Trees

- Lunch

- Shopping at Local Factories / Souvenir Shops

- Angkor Thom at about 2pm and complete tour at 5pm

- Massage & then hit the night market to scare all the farangs with the buying craze , crossing of roads in packs and drinking up all the coconuts

Hence if you want to savvy and avoid the crowds , you do the following :

- Jolies Temple of Trees at sunrise ; you won't get it alone but you have lesser crowds

- Head for a slow breakfast back at your hotel

- Angkor Wat at Lunch time is almost dead quiet but hot like hell price to pay for lesser crowds

- Take a leisure packed lunch from your hotel and have it at the Terraces of elephants ...attracts lots of stares as you attempt to be cool in the heat drinking your chilled champagne

- Head back to hotel for a nap and massage

- At 4pm just before closing head back to Angkor Thom , the shadows of the afternoon sun play well into the giant head sculptures

- take a sunset cruise near Angkor Thom Gate ...it's cheesy but you are alone on the river and can snap some nice pics

- Night time , avoid the night mkt !!! We have enough in Thailand and head to Park Hyatt and enjoy the canapés and wine under a swing chair along to the bliss of the madness outside

Edited March 18, 2016 by LawrenceChee

[BookMan]

For all the Travelers who love being solo

Here's the main itinerary of Chinese Tour Buses so that you can avoid the crowds

de

It is easy to avoid Chinese tourists in Cambodia if you are in Bangkok

[baneko]

For all the Travelers who love being solo

Here's the main itinerary of Chinese Tour Buses so that you can avoid the crowds

de

It is easy to avoid Chinese tourists in Cambodia if you are in Bangkok

Also difficult to avoid Cambodian tourists if you are in China! ☺

[tony5150]

I was in Cambodia at Ankor Wat. Very beautiful and quiet. Until the Korean group lead by a woman screaming into a megaphone telling the group about each carved rock they looked at. Completely ruined the experience. My American friend and I went the other way to get far from them. Unfortunately that group wasn't the only one. Finally my friend yelled SHUTUP!!! That worked...but only for a minute or two.

[tony5150]

BTW my friend thought they were Chinese. But I recognized the language as Korean.

[Heng]

Take us to your leader.

[LawrenceChee]

BTW my friend thought they were Chinese. But I recognized the language as Korean.

Hahhahah Yeap seems everyone likes to blame the Chinese we get a lot of noisy HK folks too but then they get blamed to the Chinese and the HK always seem to think they are a higher breed or something which is dumb

[BookMan]

I passed through the area again yesterday

There were 10 long tail style boats waiting to dock to pick up their Chinese tour groups...

7 of the same boats waiting to drop off their Chinese tour group passengers

[LawrenceChee]

I passed through the area again yesterday

There were 10 long tail style boats waiting to dock to pick up their Chinese tour groups...

7 of the same boats waiting to drop off their Chinese tour group passengers

18 million targeted for 2016....you will be seeing a lot of them

[BookMan]

I passed through the area again yesterday

There were 10 long tail style boats waiting to dock to pick up their Chinese tour groups...

7 of the same boats waiting to drop off their Chinese tour group passengers

18 million targeted for 2016....you will be seeing a lot of them

Wow. That seems extraordinary numbers

The major tourist attractions might will need a rethink on how they handle such mass numbers of tourists

[DrTuner]

The major tourist attractions might will need a rethink on how they handle such mass numbers of tourists

Enjoy your lovely and relaxing holiday in exotic Thailand. Best experienced with body armor to protect the ribcage.

Edited March 25, 2016 by DrTuner

[Thian]

The major tourist attractions might will need a rethink on how they handle such mass numbers of tourists

Enjoy your lovely and relaxing holiday in exotic Thailand. Best experienced with body armor to protect the ribcage.

This must have been a very special occasion.

All the trains/metro's i've seen in Japan are extremely well organised and their personell is extreme polite/professional/helpfull.

They ALL take their job very serious, HAI.

[uptheos]

Do like what I do ...hang out at thonglor the bus loads haven't discovered it hang out at nice hotel they have not got the group rates yet ...soon maybe but not yet

I Guess people who complain about bus loads of guests are the same as i see in the Caribbean

Busloads of drunk Americans in the island wanting a local experience and being booish about it and spoiling it for everyone else

But for the insider tourist there are still loads of places untouched by the bus loads and you just need to be smart about where to get them

I was in Kyoto recently and its bus load maniac there as even the orderly Japanese wants their tourist dollar

To avoid that and have the best experience, I stayed at Hyatt no tour groups there as anything under 150 rooms there is normally no ideal group rates

Visits the smaller Temples in the day as its not in their tour itinerary , take a slow kaseiki lunch which is normally 2-3 hours ....they don't have time for that and 30 mins before the close Everyday my missus went to the popular Temples and the place was dead quiet as after lunch the tour groups bring them all to the pharmacy store

So in that 5 days there we saw zero bus loads of Chinese even though they are all there

Excellent advice, Kyoto is one of my favourite places and I'm amazed when I visit that it is still possible to get away from the screaming hoards. It helps if you've been there before, lots of places/areas don't want these people to spoil a beautiful and charming place.

[LawrenceChee]

Cherry Blossoms now make it a stunning spot although hotel pricing gets a bit crazy understandably

[Thian]

Cherry Blossoms now make it a stunning spot although hotel pricing gets a bit crazy understandably

Yes they look awesome but i don't understand why Thailand doesn't make a park full of flowering tree's. We also have great tree's full of flowers here now.

[LawrenceChee]

Agree there is potential here .....but in Thailand organisational skills is not the most common trait

Up north in Chiangmai , the folks seem more creativity based and you can see that in many houses and cafes it's really well designed

Edited March 25, 2016 by LawrenceChee