Scam, rip off by a Doctor in Isaan, Sawang Den Ding

[ALFREDO]

I always leave Thai people to sort their own medical problems, on their own, using their own money.

It isn't my business, they don't listen to my advice, let them sort it out on their own.

They have free medical and cheap clinics.

I don't.

If you hadn't been there, you wouldn't have been asked to pay.

Not to mention there's always the risk the gf conspired with the doctor to scam you.

(bill him 18k and we'll split 50/50, some girls are really crafty with the various bill splitting scams)

Never put money in the outstretched hand, pay all invoices, properly itemized, to the billing company by yourself.

I'm sure this wasn't the case with you, but I don't like to think such thoughts, so better I'm never involved.

Good advices, but she cannot drive our family car and for whatever reason she did not want to go to her FREE clinic, she is woman with a Falang BF since 14 years and has 3 children with him = me.

So she deserves better, in her eye?

So. whatever a bad day.

Yep.... And again.... Definitely not a change I would ever tolerate. Everyone (including Thai people) talk horrible about the women who show off and think they are special only because of their foreign partner.....up to you of you are OK with it or not I guess.

Then there are the children to think off too. I had never a father myself,

also I was a adopted child had even 2 fathers, but also not,

one gave me away with 2,5 years, after my mother, his wife, died in a tractor traffic accident with me on the tractor too,

one was not nice died early, easy,

when you not walk in the shoes of other people to make decisions from the Laptop.

Edited March 30, 2016 by ALFREDO

[ALFREDO]

I think Alfredo just decribes a normal relationship between a farang and a poor Isaan woman .

It doesn't matter if you've been married for 14 years. your wife is no longer poor and will never visit an 80 baht clinic anymore when she can have the best there is , even if it's a scam . The farang will pay!

Some true words and Exceptions prove the rule.

[Sheryl]

From the bill, 9,000 baht of this was for a CT scan. The bill does not indicate of what.

9,000 is a normal price for a CT. so at least get your money's worth by taking her to a good ENT specialist to read the scan. I trust she has a CD with the actual scan films on it, if not go back and request.

Another 3,000 for blood tests, cannot say anything about that without knowing what they were. Did she not get the test results given to her?

Then 1,800 for 6 separate Xrays, does not indicate of what. What parts of the biody were X-rayed and what were the results?

[ALFREDO]

From the bill, 9,000 baht of this was for a CT scan. The bill does not indicate of what.

9,000 is a normal price for a CT. so at least get your money's worth by taking her to a good ENT specialist to read the scan. I trust she has a CD with the actual scan films on it, if not go back and request.

Another 3,000 for blood tests, cannot say anything about that without knowing what they were. Did she not get the test results given to her?

Then 1,800 for 6 separate Xrays, does not indicate of what. What parts of the biody were X-rayed and what were the results?

Thank you -Sheryl-

CT scan from head, me too was shown with her her brain on many X-ray photos.

All films had been put on the wall and spoken about to from him, the Doctor, all ok and she got all X-ray photos with her. CD?, I not checked.

She and me got told all results all what nobody asked for.

He just did all, including HIV, pregnancy test ect.

Seperate X-ray from body, lungs, heart, intestines ect.

All ok, he did all and gave 2 big packs of tablets worth 4.000 Baht?

Edited March 30, 2016 by ALFREDO

[Sheryl]

Yes, clearly a lot of unnecessary tests. But bear in mind you don't know what the conversation between your gf and the doctor was, what she told him she wanted, and as you say, she went in there in an upset frame of mind.

Unless this doctor is a top notch ENT specialist -- which from his behavior I very much doubt -- I would not put any credence in his reading of the scan.

Since she has had it done anyway, take it to a proper ENT to read.

[inbangkok]

I always leave Thai people to sort their own medical problems, on their own, using their own money.

It isn't my business, they don't listen to my advice, let them sort it out on their own.

They have free medical and cheap clinics.

I don't.

If you hadn't been there, you wouldn't have been asked to pay.

Not to mention there's always the risk the gf conspired with the doctor to scam you.

(bill him 18k and we'll split 50/50, some girls are really crafty with the various bill splitting scams)

Never put money in the outstretched hand, pay all invoices, properly itemized, to the billing company by yourself.

I'm sure this wasn't the case with you, but I don't like to think such thoughts, so better I'm never involved.

Good advices, but she cannot drive our family car and for whatever reason she did not want to go to her FREE clinic, she is woman with a Falang BF since 14 years and has 3 children with him = me.

So she deserves better, in her eye?

So. whatever a bad day.

Yep.... And again.... Definitely not a change I would ever tolerate. Everyone (including Thai people) talk horrible about the women who show off and think they are special only because of their foreign partner.....up to you of you are OK with it or not I guess.

Then there are the children to think off too. I had never a father myself,

also I was a adopted child had even 2 fathers, but also not,

one gave me away with 2,5 years, after my mother, his wife, died in a tractor traffic accident with me on the tractor too,

one was not nice died early, easy,

when you not walk in the shoes of other people to make decisions from the Laptop.

You seem to be insinuating that I am encouraging you to leave your wife.... Which I am not! There are many ways you can stomp out this type of behavior that does not include leaving her and the kids.

And yes, it is definitely easy for me to make a decision regarding something like this from my laptop. I really don't need to walk in your shoes as this is not a complex matter. By your own admission, your GF was acting super whiny and dramatic over a nasal passage that felt funny and insisted on high end medical evaluation/treatment over a non emergency situation. Again, not a complex or complicated situation.

You even commented on how this behavior may be normal for Thai women.... Which it is not.....especially if they don't have someone else to foot the bill.

Time to rethink your strategy here..... Just my humble opinion.

Edited March 30, 2016 by inbangkok

[ALFREDO]

Yes, clearly a lot of unnecessary tests. But bear in mind you don't know what the conversation between your gf and the doctor was, what she told him she wanted, and as you say, she went in there in an upset frame of mind.

Unless this doctor is a top notch ENT specialist -- which from his behavior I very much doubt -- I would not put any credence in his reading of the scan.

Since she has had it done anyway, take it to a proper ENT to read.

Hmmm

"you don't know what the conversation between your gf and the doctor was, what she told him she wanted,"

I know,

I can trust her at least after so many years, that she tells me what she talked with him - she said, she had a problem in the nose and he said, good, better we check it all.

She thought, so she said to me, -all- is regarding her nose, possibly a X-ray from nose, a blood test, not her whole body.

The Doctor, yes he is not a ENT -specialist, he is a ! (deleted)

Edited March 30, 2016 by ALFREDO

[ALFREDO]

Then there are the children to think off too. I had never a father myself,

also I was a adopted child had even 2 fathers, but also not,

one gave me away with 2,5 years, after my mother, his wife, died in a tractor traffic accident with me on the tractor too,

one was not nice died early, easy,

when you not walk in the shoes of other people to make decisions from the Laptop.

You seem to be insinuating that I am encouraging you to leave your wife.... Which I am not! There are many ways you can stomp out this type of behavior that does not include leaving her and the kids.

And yes, it is definitely easy for me to make a decision regarding something like this from my laptop. I really don't need to walk in your shoes as this is not a complex matter. By your own admission, your GF was acting super whiny and dramatic over a nasal passage that felt funny and insisted on high end medical evaluation/treatment over a non emergency situation. Again, not a complex or complicated situation.

You even commented on how this behavior may be normal for Thai women.... Which it is not.....especially if they don't have someone else to foot the bill.

Time to rethink your strategy here..... Just my humble opinion.

"There are many ways you can stomp out this type of behavior that does not include leaving her and the kids."

Which ways are that?

[Sheryl]

Again - as her is not an ENT specialist the CT scan has been done but not properly read. While the test may well have been unnecessary, given that ti was done you may as well get the benefit of having it read by an appropriate specialist. Will cost maybe 500-600 baht more.

[inbangkok]

Then there are the children to think off too. I had never a father myself,

also I was a adopted child had even 2 fathers, but also not,

one gave me away with 2,5 years, after my mother, his wife, died in a tractor traffic accident with me on the tractor too,

one was not nice died early, easy,

when you not walk in the shoes of other people to make decisions from the Laptop.

You seem to be insinuating that I am encouraging you to leave your wife.... Which I am not! There are many ways you can stomp out this type of behavior that does not include leaving her and the kids.

And yes, it is definitely easy for me to make a decision regarding something like this from my laptop. I really don't need to walk in your shoes as this is not a complex matter. By your own admission, your GF was acting super whiny and dramatic over a nasal passage that felt funny and insisted on high end medical evaluation/treatment over a non emergency situation. Again, not a complex or complicated situation.

You even commented on how this behavior may be normal for Thai women.... Which it is not.....especially if they don't have someone else to foot the bill.

Time to rethink your strategy here..... Just my humble opinion.

"There are many ways you can stomp out this type of behavior that does not include leaving her and the kids."

Which ways are that?

Well, if you are super wealthy, huge medical bills might not matter. However, if not, I think I would calmly explain to her that you both have 3 kids to care for financially and that there is absolutely no reason to seek such expensive medical care as a first line defense over a sore nasal passage.

I would tell her that this type of treatment is out of line for such a minor symptom that just occurred an hour earlier on a flight, therefore we are going to pursue some cheaper options first. Or, maybe even better, just wait a day or two and see if the problem resolves itself (and considering you have not mentioned anything about this... I am assuming the problem went away on its own?)

I would then explain that if the problem is still present we can look into more expensive and invasive treatment options.

I think this is a pretty reasonable approach.

You even said the reason you waited in the car was because you got into a dispute. Was the dispute because she threw a tantrum over you questioning how she wanted to go about treating this? Was she mad that you had the nerve to suggest seeking help at a more affordable clinic first?

Financial decisions like medical treatment are supposed to be made together. However, to be honest, it sounds like she is the one calling all the shots.....

[Sheryl]

Actually as a Thai she can get free treatment at a government hospital, and while it may take time and some persistance they will eventually refer her up the line to higher level facilities if necessary and she will ultimately get what she needs. No unnecessary tests/procedures and generally better quality than can be found in private upcountry clinics and hospitals.

Apparently she objected to this idea but perhaps having now experienced first hand what can occur in a private facility she will reconsider.

[ALFREDO]

Well, if you are super wealthy, huge medical bills might not matter. However, if not, I think I would calmly explain to her that you both have 3 kids to care for financially and that there is absolutely no reason to seek such expensive medical care as a first line defense over a sore nasal passage.

I would tell her that this type of treatment is out of line for such a minor symptom that just occurred an hour earlier on a flight, therefore we are going to pursue some cheaper options first. Or, maybe even better, just wait a day or two and see if the problem resolves itself (and considering you have not mentioned anything about this... I am assuming the problem went away on its own?)

I would then explain that if the problem is still present we can look into more expensive and invasive treatment options.

I think this is a pretty reasonable approach.

You even said the reason you waited in the car was because you got into a dispute. Was the dispute because she threw a tantrum over you questioning how she wanted to go about treating this? Was she mad that you had the nerve to suggest seeking help at a more affordable clinic first?

Financial decisions like medical treatment are supposed to be made together. However, to be honest, it sounds like she is the one calling all the shots.....

I thought I got now some great solutions = "many ways"

But thought wrong,

Real -unreasonable- people, same my GF, are not moved at all, with your provided solution, sorry.

Also you did not read exactly - I wrote in my opening statement.

"Thai GF complained in the plane from nose pain.

She had that since some time looking at it and in Internet I tipped already, she just had,

a nasal polyp. https://en.wikipedia...iki/Nasal_polyp "

That polyp will not go away same nothing, but she took the Doctors medicine a bit. Helped? I am now not at home.

The car dispute was about everything from our life together.

That small, one doctor? clinic in rural small city of Sawang Den Ding had no reputation to us or anybody we knew, of beeing expensive, was unknown to us, so no reason to quarrel about that there and then.

Only now in facebook afterwards, she got some answers, that they had also negative experiences with that same Doctor.

So there was no reason to get into a discussion beforehand.

That she is the one who is calling the shots, is not true, but that she tries, more and more, that is true.

Edited March 30, 2016 by ALFREDO

[Blackheart]

You say she wanted to go now.

You also keep saying she feels she deserves the best despite being an uneducated village girl.

The problem is she is walking around with her tail in the air as the locals say, and your allowing it.

You can put a silk hat on a pig, it's still a pig, she needs to remember where she came from and you stand up to her.

If you did not let the mighty dictator who has ruled your land for fourteen years rule you would have got her to a local Dr.

[Sheryl]

The OP has not asked for relationship afvice and this is the health forum. I think it has bren established that unnecessary tests were done and also that the most expensive of these has not even been properly interpreted, and that the fovtor deen did not have televant specialty. To avoid a complete waste of money OP is advised to take the CT films to a good ENT.

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