Steely Dan Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Can a refugee actually be disillusioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 who fed them these delusion and how can they be fed by the truth, that they are not welcome in spite what Merkel says and there is no use for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 he is doing the right think by going home but he is not going home, he is going to Turkey to work i believe as Turks behave them better. and you cannot trust Europe as it is full of hypocrites and liars. Now they say they will accept some migrants and in the future they might say 'Get out!' They might be even subject to a holocaust in the future just bc they are muslim! we see examples of this in the past in Europe, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 he is doing the right think by going home but he is not going home, he is going to Turkey to work i believe as Turks behave them better. and you cannot trust Europe as it is full of hypocrites and liars. Now they say they will accept some migrants and in the future they might say 'Get out!' They might be even subject to a holocaust in the future just bc they are muslim! we see examples of this in the past in Europe, no? Yeah, you can tell they are terrified of the hypocrites and liars who might throw them out or exterminate them simply by looking at the arrivals figures.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nausea Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 The refugee system was put in place to give a safe refuge (get it - refuge, refugee) to those in genuine fear of their lives, or worse (torture, rape, etc.). Well, that's it really. Unfortunately, it's been abused. I've met real refugees, and these are like extraordinary people, who give a lot more than they take. I've also met fake refugees, who usually end up falling into the criminal underclass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 he is doing the right think by going home but he is not going home, he is going to Turkey to work i believe as Turks behave them better. and you cannot trust Europe as it is full of hypocrites and liars. Now they say they will accept some migrants and in the future they might say 'Get out!' They might be even subject to a holocaust in the future just bc they are muslim! we see examples of this in the past in Europe, no? Yeah, you can tell they are terrified of the hypocrites and liars who might throw them out or exterminate them simply by looking at the arrivals figures.. they might not, they might not even know the word 'hypocrite' but they have another word in their language basically we can translate as 'double faced' Europe is unpredictable, as you might know, due to its notorious hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Why not those in the middle east move to Indonesia, Malaysia, or Brunei? Those are Muslim countries right? unfortunately, some muslim countries are just muslim on the paper and for rant and nothign else. but accepting immigrants is about their religion or it is about humanity? Ask yourself a bit. maybe those asian muslim countries think same as Europe. They are middle eastern and dont belong to Southeast Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 he is doing the right think by going home but he is not going home, he is going to Turkey to work i believe as Turks behave them better. and you cannot trust Europe as it is full of hypocrites and liars. Now they say they will accept some migrants and in the future they might say 'Get out!' They might be even subject to a holocaust in the future just bc they are muslim! we see examples of this in the past in Europe, no? Yeah, you can tell they are terrified of the hypocrites and liars who might throw them out or exterminate them simply by looking at the arrivals figures.. they might not, they might not even know the word 'hypocrite' but they have another word in their language basically we can translate as 'double faced' Europe is unpredictable, as you might know, due to its notorious hypocrisy. Which is why they are still coming in droves, many risking their lives to do so in order to get a piece of that unpredictability and hypocrisy for themselves. Just look at the OP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) he is doing the right think by going home but he is not going home, he is going to Turkey to work i believe as Turks behave them better. and you cannot trust Europe as it is full of hypocrites and liars. Now they say they will accept some migrants and in the future they might say 'Get out!' They might be even subject to a holocaust in the future just bc they are muslim! we see examples of this in the past in Europe, no? Yeah, you can tell they are terrified of the hypocrites and liars who might throw them out or exterminate them simply by looking at the arrivals figures.. they might not, they might not even know the word 'hypocrite' but they have another word in their language basically we can translate as 'double faced' Europe is unpredictable, as you might know, due to its notorious hypocrisy. Which is why they are still coming in droves, many risking their lives to do so in order to get a piece of that unpredictability and hypocrisy for themselves. Just look at the OP... you cannot blame them running away to save their lives to come for the fat of the land like flies. but Europe is risky, you know, and that is what i am saying. Europe did not act on time before this mass migrations happened. If they created a no fly demilitarized zone for refugees in Syrian soil, i believe Europe will not be getting even 10 percent of the migrants they received. well, Europe missed the train and this is due to their incompetent politicians do not want to risk any votes or their chair they sit now and people of Europe suffer. Edited June 10, 2016 by Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyrosman Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) the days of welfare are finished. The old saying' The grass is not always GREENER over the hill' like EUROPE needs another street barber and welfare children. Go to USA, 15$ hour at Mc Donalds. Edited June 10, 2016 by gyrosman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 ^^ No, I certainly don't blame anyone for running away to save their lives, but it strikes me as odd that they would head towards a risky Europe where genocide could take place at any moment, when they could go to any number of other destinations unpolluted by the White devil and receive a far warmer welcome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 ^^ No, I certainly don't blame anyone for running away to save their lives, but it strikes me as odd that they would head towards a risky Europe where genocide could take place at any moment, when they could go to any number of other destinations unpolluted by the White devil and receive a far warmer welcome... well, desperate times call for desperate measures and you take shelter tat any port during a storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Like a Turkish port? Of course the only thing desperate about a good number of these folk is desperation for their slice of the European cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Why not those in the middle east move to Indonesia, Malaysia, or Brunei? Those are Muslim countries right? Why would you believe any of the countries you mentioned would welcome Arab economic refugees or genuine asylum seekers just because they are Muslim? Also there is the issue that Malaysia now hosts about 2 million illegal migrants from Indonesia - ask yourself why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 ^^ No, I certainly don't blame anyone for running away to save their lives, but it strikes me as odd that they would head towards a risky Europe where genocide could take place at any moment, when they could go to any number of other destinations unpolluted by the White devil and receive a far warmer welcome... well, desperate times call for desperate measures and you take shelter tat any port during a storm. And then complain about the food, the cold, the wifi connection and no wake up call for prayers during Ramadan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piersbeckett Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Maybe there is a god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travel2003 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Look at all his expectations, he and the rest arrived illegally and uninvited, notwithstanding Juncker and Merkel the Mouth, and simply expected all they wanted would be instantly granted. I'm sure this will become a major BBC Television sob story. illegally and uninvited...............................How does one arrive legally and invited from a war-thorn country? As for the expectations, do you not think someone told them what to expect? I presume you are not commenting on how bad ISIS and the junta in Syria is, since in your obvious opinion, all refuges are fortune seekers, no-matter who they are (especially Muslims of course), and where they come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F430murci Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 there is psychological pressure, everything is forbidden and its not like the life they used to live in Syria. very true! people from "poorer" countries never quite understand the stress Westerners, especially Europeans have to go through. It's not like you can just beat, burn or stone your old lady if you get jealous or mad at them in these European counties. We kinda frown on rapping 10 year old girls . . . and boys also so these poor Muslims are probably a bit pissed at us forbidding their outlets for excitement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayk Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 It's a wonder the world is as bad as it is today. One just has to read the posts on this topic to notice just how little people actually care about other humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesterm Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Why not those in the middle east move to Indonesia, Malaysia, or Brunei? Those are Muslim countries right? Why would you believe any of the countries you mentioned would welcome Arab economic refugees or genuine asylum seekers just because they are Muslim? Also there is the issue that Malaysia now hosts about 2 million illegal migrants from Indonesia - ask yourself why. Yes, so if even these Muslim countries don't want to take in the people from the Middle East, why should Europe? Is Europe to be held responsible for the mess the US created? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaidam Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Why not those in the middle east move to Indonesia, Malaysia, or Brunei? Those are Muslim countries right? Why would you believe any of the countries you mentioned would welcome Arab economic refugees or genuine asylum seekers just because they are Muslim? Also there is the issue that Malaysia now hosts about 2 million illegal migrants from Indonesia - ask yourself why. Yes, so if even these Muslim countries don't want to take in the people from the Middle East, why should Europe? Is Europe to be held responsible for the mess the US created? we can rightly blame the US for many things, but inventing islam is not one of them. Food for thought - which came 1st twin towers or Iraq war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjunadawn Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Why not those in the middle east move to Indonesia, Malaysia, or Brunei? Those are Muslim countries right? Why would you believe any of the countries you mentioned would welcome Arab economic refugees or genuine asylum seekers just because they are Muslim? Also there is the issue that Malaysia now hosts about 2 million illegal migrants from Indonesia - ask yourself why. Yes, so if even these Muslim countries don't want to take in the people from the Middle East, why should Europe? Is Europe to be held responsible for the mess the US created? we can rightly blame the US for many things, but inventing islam is not one of them. Food for thought - which came 1st twin towers or Iraq war?It should be noted again, this problem could have been managed by regional actors extending one of their 'pillars' to Muslims in need, zakat- charity specifically designed for...(drumroll) Muslims! A tent city in Saudi Arabia could have housed transient 'migrants' while being processed for further settlement. It's not an retrospective observation, the Saudis disassembled about this in real time. It's no surprise that SA and GCC are not signatories to the Refugee Convention. In fact, they're also not signatories to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. They did not take these people because they know exactly what's taking place! In fact, mandating passage through Saudi Arabia, an infinitely easier passage, would have been rejected by the vast majority because they are not refugees. Qaddafi was right. It's a matter of demographics! https://www.britainfirst.org/the-giant-saudi-arabian-tent-city-that-could-house-3-million-refugees-but-which-is-empty/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Why not those in the middle east move to Indonesia, Malaysia, or Brunei? Those are Muslim countries right? Why would you believe any of the countries you mentioned would welcome Arab economic refugees or genuine asylum seekers just because they are Muslim? Also there is the issue that Malaysia now hosts about 2 million illegal migrants from Indonesia - ask yourself why. What about the worldwide, 'caring' Ummah they're always harping on about? Terrorists attacks are justified by saying they were in revenge for 'attacks on our Muslim brothers' in other countries etc but suddenly when they have to take in culturally and ideologically similar refugees they put the burden on Europe to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thechook Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Why not those in the middle east move to Indonesia, Malaysia, or Brunei? Those are Muslim countries right? Why would you believe any of the countries you mentioned would welcome Arab economic refugees or genuine asylum seekers just because they are Muslim? Also there is the issue that Malaysia now hosts about 2 million illegal migrants from Indonesia - ask yourself why. Yes, so if even these Muslim countries don't want to take in the people from the Middle East, why should Europe? Is Europe to be held responsible for the mess the US created? what the U.S created?... Did you know that islam has being carrying on like this even before Christopher Columbus joined the Naval Academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Why not those in the middle east move to Indonesia, Malaysia, or Brunei? Those are Muslim countries right? Why would you believe any of the countries you mentioned would welcome Arab economic refugees or genuine asylum seekers just because they are Muslim? Also there is the issue that Malaysia now hosts about 2 million illegal migrants from Indonesia - ask yourself why. Yes, so if even these Muslim countries don't want to take in the people from the Middle East, why should Europe? Is Europe to be held responsible for the mess the US created? we can rightly blame the US for many things, but inventing islam is not one of them. Food for thought - which came 1st twin towers or Iraq war?Kuwait lolSent from my SMART_4G_Speedy_5inch using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Why not those in the middle east move to Indonesia, Malaysia, or Brunei? Those are Muslim countries right? Why would you believe any of the countries you mentioned would welcome Arab economic refugees or genuine asylum seekers just because they are Muslim? Also there is the issue that Malaysia now hosts about 2 million illegal migrants from Indonesia - ask yourself why. What about the worldwide, 'caring' Ummah they're always harping on about? Terrorists attacks are justified by saying they were in revenge for 'attacks on our Muslim brothers' in other countries etc but suddenly when they have to take in culturally and ideologically similar refugees they put the burden on Europe to do it. There is a great deal of religiously motivated political blah, blah. Too many people are deluded in thinking government gave a damn leading up to the current crisis. The warning signs of the impending flood of people were on the table for at least 3/4 years yet the relief efforts in inundated Muslim host countries were dramatically underfunded and under resourced, diplomatic outcomes often farcical. Take Turkey with millions of asylum seekers, the vast majority of whom do not have access to refugee camps, live off their saving to survive and so on until they run out of money / patience then head to the EU. It was only a few months ago Turkey gave permission for refugees to legally work and accelerated the legal framework for processing asylum seekers, yet many posters blame the disenfranchised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar501 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Look at all his expectations, he and the rest arrived illegally and uninvited, notwithstanding Juncker and Merkel the Mouth, and simply expected all they wanted would be instantly granted. I'm sure this will become a major BBC Television sob story. HELL....do you still watch BBC?...Thats no longer a News Service. Just an outlet for Dark Skin Documentaries in Africa... I live in hope that Capt Pugwash, Bill and Ben etc will come back but probably not PC enough for the Beeb. So do I ....who can forget master Bates, and Seaman Staines......Not to mention Bill & Ben with their weed........ ..and to stay on topic, good riddance, just another economic migrant trying to leech of the taxpayers of Europe Master Bates, Seaman Staines and Roger the Cabin Boy were NOT names of Captain Pugwash's crew. As the popularity of the show increased, so did the smutty imagination of its adoring fans. In fact, the creators of the cartoon successfully sued a newspaper for claiming sexual double meanings of the characters' titles. Also, back on topic, Mr Al Jassem claims that "Europe has no feelings for us". How wrong he is. Europe has very strong feelings for the refugees, much like a farmer has for a plague of locusts that swarm across his wheat crops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 It should be noted again, this problem could have been managed by regional actors extending one of their 'pillars' to Muslims in need, zakat- charity specifically designed for...(drumroll) Muslims!A tent city in Saudi Arabia could have housed transient 'migrants' while being processed for further settlement. It's not an retrospective observation, the Saudis disassembled about this in real time. It's no surprise that SA and GCC are not signatories to the Refugee Convention. In fact, they're also not signatories to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. They did not take these people because they know exactly what's taking place! In fact, mandating passage through Saudi Arabia, an infinitely easier passage, would have been rejected by the vast majority because they are not refugees. Qaddafi was right. It's a matter of demographics! https://www.britainfirst.org/the-giant-saudi-arabian-tent-city-that-could-house-3-million-refugees-but-which-is-empty/ Posts removed to enable response. The argument has been put forward many times, yet for some reason the likes of Britain First (Lol) never acknowledge KSA does not report in the same manner as UN Convention signatories, thereby any intake by KSA is generally not mentioned in the international media as not referenced by UNHCR reports. Take it for what it is, but some media organisations do dig deeper e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/12/saudi-arabia-says-reports-of-its-syrian-refugee-response-false-and-misleading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesterm Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 Why not those in the middle east move to Indonesia, Malaysia, or Brunei? Those are Muslim countries right? Why would you believe any of the countries you mentioned would welcome Arab economic refugees or genuine asylum seekers just because they are Muslim? Also there is the issue that Malaysia now hosts about 2 million illegal migrants from Indonesia - ask yourself why. Yes, so if even these Muslim countries don't want to take in the people from the Middle East, why should Europe? Is Europe to be held responsible for the mess the US created? we can rightly blame the US for many things, but inventing islam is not one of them. Food for thought - which came 1st twin towers or Iraq war? The petrodollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesterm Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 Why not those in the middle east move to Indonesia, Malaysia, or Brunei? Those are Muslim countries right? Why would you believe any of the countries you mentioned would welcome Arab economic refugees or genuine asylum seekers just because they are Muslim? Also there is the issue that Malaysia now hosts about 2 million illegal migrants from Indonesia - ask yourself why. What about the worldwide, 'caring' Ummah they're always harping on about? Terrorists attacks are justified by saying they were in revenge for 'attacks on our Muslim brothers' in other countries etc but suddenly when they have to take in culturally and ideologically similar refugees they put the burden on Europe to do it. There is a great deal of religiously motivated political blah, blah. Too many people are deluded in thinking government gave a damn leading up to the current crisis. The warning signs of the impending flood of people were on the table for at least 3/4 years yet the relief efforts in inundated Muslim host countries were dramatically underfunded and under resourced, diplomatic outcomes often farcical. Take Turkey with millions of asylum seekers, the vast majority of whom do not have access to refugee camps, live off their saving to survive and so on until they run out of money / patience then head to the EU. It was only a few months ago Turkey gave permission for refugees to legally work and accelerated the legal framework for processing asylum seekers, yet many posters blame the disenfranchised. Yup so let's hope most of these people start taking up jobs in Turkey then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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