Orlando gunman raged against 'filthy ways of the west'

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Orlando gunman raged against 'filthy ways of the west'
By ERIC TUCKER and MIKE SCHNEIDER

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Orlando gunman Omar Mateen apparently made a series of Facebook posts before and during his attack on a gay nightclub, raging against the "filthy ways of the west" and blaming the U.S. for the deaths of "innocent women and children," according to a Senate committee letter released Wednesday.

The killer whose rampage left 49 people dead also searched for "Pulse Orlando" and "Shooting" online on the morning of the carnage Sunday and said on Facebook: "America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic state," according to the letter.

The Senate Homeland Security Committee sent the letter to Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, asking the company to produce information on Mateen's online activity and to provide a briefing to the panel.

The letter illuminating Mateen's state of mind in the final hours of his life was released as the long, sad procession of memorials and funerals for the victims began in Orlando and as the FBI appealed for the public's help in reconstructing the killer's movements. The FBI is also trying to establish how much Mateen's wife may have known about the attack at Pulse dance club.

"We need your help in developing the most complete picture of what he did and why he did it," FBI agent Ron Hopper said at a news conference.

In its letter, the committee said staffers have learned that five Facebook accounts were associated with the 29-year-old American-born Muslim.

"The real muslims will never accept the filthy way of the west," Mateen wrote, according to the letter from committee chairman Sen. Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican. Johnson did not say how he learned of the posts other than to cite "information obtained by my staff."

As he did in his call to a 911 operator during the massacre, Mateen pledged his allegiance on Facebook to the leader of the Islamic State and, in his final post, warned: "in the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic state in the usa."

Despite his professed loyalty to the extremist group, the Obama administration has said it has seen no evidence that the shooting rampage was directed by the Islamic State.

A spokesman for the FBI did not immediately return a call for comment Wednesday evening, and Facebook had no immediate comment.

The three-hour rampage began at 2 a.m. Sunday and ended with Mateen being killed by a police SWAT team. The FBI said it is still gathering evidence at the Pulse and analyzing cellphone location data to piece together Mateen's activities leading up to the massacre, while also interviewing people who had any dealings with him.

On Saturday night, hours before the rampage, Mateen visited Disney Springs, an outdoor restaurant, retail and entertainment complex at Walt Disney World, an official who was briefed on the case but insisted on anonymity to discuss the continuing investigation told The Associated Press.

The official said it is not clear what Mateen was up to.

Meanwhile, drag queens and motorcyclists turned out to pay their respects at an evening visitation at a funeral parlor for Javier Jorge-Reyes, a 40-year-old salesman and makeup artist.

Members of the SWAT team underwent a stress-management debriefing Wednesday, as hundreds of others involved in the response to the shooting have done, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said. Further counseling is being made available.

"These are some of the bravest toughest men I know," Mina said. "No one can prepare you for what those officers encountered that night. They stood toe-to-toe and went face-to-face with a mass murderer, and I'm extremely proud of that."

A key topic for investigators is how much Mateen's Palestinian-American wife may have known about the plot.

An official who was briefed on the case but insisted on anonymity to discuss a continuing investigation said authorities believe 30-year-old U.S.-born Noor Salman knew ahead of time about the attack.

Investigators have spoken extensively with her and are working to establish whether she recently accompanied Mateen to the club, said a second official who was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

U.S. Attorney Lee Bentley repeatedly refused to say whether charges might be brought against the wife or anyone else. He said authorities are talking to hundreds of people and investigating everyone associated with Mateen, including family, friends and business associates.

Salman has been in seclusion for days.

In other developments:

— Florida documents obtained by the AP under open-records laws show that Mateen passed a psychological evaluation in 2007 as part of his application to be a security guard. The records say he took a written psychological test or was evaluated by a psychologist or psychiatrist.

— Orlando TV producer Matt Gentili of CFN 13 said Mateen called during his standoff to say he was doing it for the Islamic State. The station's managing editor traced the call back to a number associated with Mateen, according to NY 1 News, CFN 13's sister operation in New York. The FBI's Hopper declined to comment on calls Mateen made during the rampage.

— A newly unearthed clip from a film documentary about the 2010 BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico shows Mateen — then working security for the cleanup — talking cynically about people making money off disasters.

The excerpt from 2012's "The Big Fix" shows Mateen telling a woman that everyone is "hoping for more oil to come out and more people to complain so they'll have the jobs." Security firm G4S confirmed that it's Mateen, saying he was stationed in Pensacola in 2010 to assist with cleanup.

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Tucker contributed from Washington. Associated Press writers Jack Gillum in Washington; Michael R. Sisak in Philadelphia; Jay Reeves, Allen G. Breed and Tamara Lush in Orlando; and Holbrook Mohr in Port St. Lucie, Florida, contributed to this report.


-- (c) Associated Press 2016-06-16

[rudy h]

Filthy ways of the west??? How about the filthy ways of this degenerate murderer? His own father took an oath, as a Muslim could he not teach his child moral human principles ???

[Scott]

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[OMGImInPattaya]

This puts the kabosh on those making the argument you can't stop Islamic terrorism by banning muslim immigrants and the related claim that Mateen was an "American" and so any ban wouldn't have affected him. Mateen didn't consider himself American, as his statements show, and his 911 call wherein he demanded America "stop bombing HIS country [Afganistan]" shows muslims cannot be intergrated into the American mainstream.

Edited June 16, 2016 by OMGImInPattaya

[KarenBravo]

This puts the kabosh on those making the argument you can't stop Islamic terrorism by banning muslim immigrants and the related claim that Mateen was an "American" and so any ban wouldn't have affected him. Mateen didn't consider himself American, as his statements show, and his 911 call wherein he demanded America "stop bombing HIS country [Afganistan]" shows muslims cannot be intergrated into the American mainstream.

What has how he saw himself got to do with his official status as a US born American citizen?

He would not have been affected by any immigration measures, no matter his state of mind.

[ilostmypassword]

This puts the kabosh on those making the argument you can't stop Islamic terrorism by banning muslim immigrants and the related claim that Mateen was an "American" and so any ban wouldn't have affected him. Mateen didn't consider himself American, as his statements show, and his 911 call wherein he demanded America "stop bombing HIS country [Afganistan]" shows muslims cannot be intergrated into the American mainstream.

42% of American Muslims support the right of gay people to marry. This puts them way ahead of evangelical christians and mormons. I guess those evangelicals and mormons can't be mainstreamed either.

[Pimay1]

This puts the kabosh on those making the argument you can't stop Islamic terrorism by banning muslim immigrants and the related claim that Mateen was an "American" and so any ban wouldn't have affected him. Mateen didn't consider himself American, as his statements show, and his 911 call wherein he demanded America "stop bombing HIS country [Afganistan]" shows muslims cannot be intergrated into the American mainstream.

42% of American Muslims support the right of gay people to marry. This puts them way ahead of evangelical christians and mormons. I guess those evangelicals and mormons can't be mainstreamed either.

Here it is straight from one who knows. Listen to what he says about gays.

[KarenBravo]

Could he be part of the other 58%?

[sotsira]

This puts the kabosh on those making the argument you can't stop Islamic terrorism by banning muslim immigrants and the related claim that Mateen was an "American" and so any ban wouldn't have affected him. Mateen didn't consider himself American, as his statements show, and his 911 call wherein he demanded America "stop bombing HIS country [Afganistan]" shows muslims cannot be intergrated into the American mainstream.

What has how he saw himself got to do with his official status as a US born American citizen?

He would not have been affected by any immigration measures, no matter his state of mind.

Many witnesses have already come out to state that Omar Mateen was in fact gay including

his ex wife.

These claims surely put his motives under a different light,in that he was in any way affiliated with

ISIS or he was a terrorist.

Here's a link to one of the many news reports about him being gay.

Edited June 16, 2016 by sotsira

[GeorgesAbitbol]

This puts the kabosh on those making the argument you can't stop Islamic terrorism by banning muslim immigrants and the related claim that Mateen was an "American" and so any ban wouldn't have affected him. Mateen didn't consider himself American, as his statements show, and his 911 call wherein he demanded America "stop bombing HIS country [Afganistan]" shows muslims cannot be intergrated into the American mainstream.

And yet you didn t found away, to explain us how you plan to ban muslim...on which criteria? country of residence or ham and cheese sandwich for every immigrant?

[GeorgesAbitbol]

This puts the kabosh on those making the argument you can't stop Islamic terrorism by banning muslim immigrants and the related claim that Mateen was an "American" and so any ban wouldn't have affected him. Mateen didn't consider himself American, as his statements show, and his 911 call wherein he demanded America "stop bombing HIS country [Afganistan]" shows muslims cannot be intergrated into the American mainstream.

What has how he saw himself got to do with his official status as a US born American citizen?

He would not have been affected by any immigration measures, no matter his state of mind.

Many witnesses have already come out to state that Omar Mateen was in fact gay including

his ex wife.

These claims surely put his motives under a different light,in that he was in any way affiliated with

ISIS or he was a terrorist.

Here's a link to one of the many news reports about him being gay.

Shhhhht

This would penalize both Daesh and the Trump supporters....

[mopar71]

His sexual orientation and political affiliation seem pretty obvious here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExIhb5GEqWA

[stevenl]

His sexual orientation and political affiliation seem pretty obvious here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExIhb5GEqWA

No indication whatsoever on sexual orientation and/or political affiliation there.

[Pakboong]

While most of us have now heard that Omar Mateen was a Muslim and that he had pledged allegiance to Daesh. It now turns out that he did pledge allegiance to both ISIS andHezbollah! It might be useful to repeat here that while nominally both ISIS and Hezbollah are “Muslim”, the ISIS Takfiris consider Shia as kufars, as apostates, who betrayed true Islam and turned to idolatry. They also consider them “Iranian agents”. As for Hezbollah, they are The Number One (all in caps) enemy of Daesh/ISIS gang and they refer to these Takfiri maniacs as “devils” (shaitan). What this means is simple and leaves only a few options:

1. Either Omar Mateen knew nothing about Islam
2. Or Omar Mateen was coerced into making this
3. Or Omar Mateen never said any such thing

http://thesaker.is/

Edited June 16, 2016 by Pakboong

[ilostmypassword]

Could he be part of the other 58%?

So in your binary view one either support gay marriage or want to kill gay people? In that case, we got lot of dangerous Mormons out there.

Edited June 16, 2016 by ilostmypassword

[KarenBravo]

Could he be part of the other 58%?

So in your binary view one either support gay marriage or want to kill gay people? In that case, we got lot of dangerous Mormons out there.

Oh dear. Try reading my sentence again, only this time a bit slower.

The key words are "part of".

[ilostmypassword]

Could he be part of the other 58%?

So in your binary view one either support gay marriage or want to kill gay people? In that case, we got lot of dangerous Mormons out there.

Oh dear. Try reading my sentence again, only this time a bit slower.

The key words are "part of".

Why would you ask a question if the answer was arithmetically obvious?. Since he clearly wasn't fine with gay marriage, of course he'd be with the group that wasn't.. So I assumed that you weren't asking a question about something that was arithmetically obvious but rather trying to characterize the other 58% as being in agreement with him. But if you were sincerely asking the question then yes, because he wasn't part of the 42 percent who were okay with gay marriage, then he is part of the 58 percent who do not support the right of gay people to marry. And if we are to categorize people by their opposition to gay marriage, then I guess he's also with the 74% of Mormons who don't support it.

[stevenl]

Could he be part of the other 58%?

So in your binary view one either support gay marriage or want to kill gay people? In that case, we got lot of dangerous Mormons out there.

Oh dear. Try reading my sentence again, only this time a bit slower.

The key words are "part of".

Why would you ask a question if the answer was arithmetically obvious?. Since he clearly wasn't fine with gay marriage, of course he'd be with the group that wasn't.. So I assumed that you weren't asking a question about something that was arithmetically obvious but rather trying to characterize the other 58% as being in agreement with him. But if you were sincerely asking the question then yes, because he wasn't part of the 42 percent who were okay with gay marriage, then he is part of the 58 percent who do not support the right of gay people to marry. And if we are to categorize people by their opposition to gay marriage, then I guess he's also with the 74% of Mormons who don't support it.

He was probably pointing out that the video shown is totally meaningless, and in no way representative of 'Muslim faith' or 'Muslim thinking'.

[BuaBS]

Maybe that guy raged against the "filthy ways of the west" , but witnesses say there were 3 to 5 gunmen.

[up2u2]

If you excluded all comments that were 'unidentified' and 'off the record' and 'don't want to reveal the sources' I am not even sure this 'article' would have a lead in title.

[ozyjon]

Orlando gunman raged against 'filthy ways of the west'

Then move to the '' cleaner ways of the east ''

[Scott]

The gay issue with this a little bit of a distraction. The guy was most likely a closet gay. He was a mass killer and he killed because of his ideology. People like this are looking for maximum impact and the club was a place where he could get the most kills. The late hour meant that security was probably less tight as people were leaving rather than coming in. It meant he could enter with greater ease. He chose a place where he knew there would be a lot of people and that he could make a spectacular kill.

It was also Ramadan, so his deeds would result in absolute forgiveness. His enemy and his hate was for America, Americans and Western culture.

The club was a place he frequented and so he knew it well. It was a convenient and easy target.

[JHolmesJr]

Raged against the filthy ways of the west?!!!

What is this schweinhund doing in the US then?

Piddle off back to afghanistan then, where its ok for a 80 year old to marry a 6 year old girl….just like the beloved prophet.

Edited June 16, 2016 by JHolmesJr

[thaihome]

The gay issue with this a little bit of a distraction. The guy was most likely a closet gay. He was a mass killer and he killed because of his ideology. People like this are looking for maximum impact and the club was a place where he could get the most kills. The late hour meant that security was probably less tight as people were leaving rather than coming in. It meant he could enter with greater ease. He chose a place where he knew there would be a lot of people and that he could make a spectacular kill.

It was also Ramadan, so his deeds would result in absolute forgiveness. His enemy and his hate was for America, Americans and Western culture.

The club was a place he frequented and so he knew it well. It was a convenient and easy target.

I suspect the the gay issue much more then a "distraction" and is likely one of the key parts of this guy's psychosis. It's amazing to me that when an Adam Lanza or James Holmes kills masses of people they are psycho killers but all somebody has to do is say something about ISIS or Hezebollah whie doing the same thing and they are an Islamic terrorist.

Worth noting, even with this 49, the pycho killers are still way ahead in the mass fire arms body count.

TH

[JHolmesJr]

Seems like the only people left on Facebook are wannabe terrorists and freelancers looking for a man.

[ttthailand]

I always thought that Isis members were gay and could not live with this fact as it is against their teachings. They kill in order to somehow in a sick way prove they are not really gay. They lie to themselves !

This sick O is a prime example !

[iReason]

Ahh, yes.

Remember the good old days when the Jesuits burned the heathens at the stake and slaughtered close to 2 million non-believers during the Crusades due to their filthy ways.

How far we've come...

[uksomchai]

This puts the kabosh on those making the argument you can't stop Islamic terrorism by banning muslim immigrants and the related claim that Mateen was an "American" and so any ban wouldn't have affected him. Mateen didn't consider himself American, as his statements show, and his 911 call wherein he demanded America "stop bombing HIS country [Afganistan]" shows muslims cannot be intergrated into the American mainstream.

42% of American Muslims support the right of gay people to marry. This puts them way ahead of evangelical christians and mormons. I guess those evangelicals and mormons can't be mainstreamed either.

Does the fact that if 42% of Muslims support gay marriage means that 58% of them do not in any way register with you ? That tells me there is a HUGE problem with what Muslims think. There is a huge problem with ANY religion that seeks to impose their religious dogma on others and yet we just ignore it

I don't think for a minute that Trump has all the answers but at least he isn't too scared to talk about it.

We had a Poll here in the UK and it was truly shocking, 52% wanted homosexuality to be made illegal among other things and yet within a week or so it was quietly dropped and never mentioned again.

All we do, as a reporter here said was come up with another catchy tagline. #Lovewins I think it is this time, Hold some candle lit vigils around the world, Come up with a nice logo, Turn various landmarks this time the colour of the rainbow gay flag and change your profile on Facebook to the gay flag etc and apart from that just wait for the next time it happens

[Kiwiken]

This puts the kabosh on those making the argument you can't stop Islamic terrorism by banning muslim immigrants and the related claim that Mateen was an "American" and so any ban wouldn't have affected him. Mateen didn't consider himself American, as his statements show, and his 911 call wherein he demanded America "stop bombing HIS country [Afganistan]" shows muslims cannot be intergrated into the American mainstream.

42% of American Muslims support the right of gay people to marry. This puts them way ahead of evangelical christians and mormons. I guess those evangelicals and mormons can't be mainstreamed either.

Does the fact that if 42% of Muslims support gay marriage means that 58% of them do not in any way register with you ? That tells me there is a HUGE problem with what Muslims think. There is a huge problem with ANY religion that seeks to impose their religious dogma on others and yet we just ignore it

I don't think for a minute that Trump has all the answers but at least he isn't too scared to talk about it.

We had a Poll here in the UK and it was truly shocking, 52% wanted homosexuality to be made illegal among other things and yet within a week or so it was quietly dropped and never mentioned again.

All we do, as a reporter here said was come up with another catchy tagline. #Lovewins I think it is this time, Hold some candle lit vigils around the world, Come up with a nice logo, Turn various landmarks this time the colour of the rainbow gay flag and change your profile on Facebook to the gay flag etc and apart from that just wait for the next time it happens

I would think if so called western Governments allowed their populations a vote on that issue you may find the division similar. Supporting or downright opposing are too parts of it. I suspect in my Country which legalised it had it been put to public referenda it would only have been slightly more than 50% that would support. For the majority we would accept the vote. But we were never asked. And I find it repugnant that a few Legislators can decide Our moral views of the World without asking us. And I am neither Bigoted or a Muslim. I just believe we should be asked

[shirtless]

How many more Muslims are stewing in their hatred , waiting to attack , do we need more