Ukraine: journalist Pavel Sheremet killed by car bomb in Kyiv

[Hammock]

Go to Russia, go to Crimea and talk to people there. There you will see truth. Which links do you want me to provide? Visit Baltic states where all population has gone to EU to find work to survive and only government officials are native Baltic citizens, the rest of the population are native Russians.

Riiiiight, and there are no more Russians in Moscow, only Chechens and Uzbeks.

Completely agree!

[Hammock]

Hammock, on 25 Jul 2016 - 22:09, said:

Craig, you want me to post some links but not of the Russian origin. Do you want me to post CNN or BBC links or what? You do not believe Russian links, i do not believe western links. Internet is not a reliable source of information. Anyone can write here whatever they want. How can anyone judge facts basing on someones Facebook posts? Reminds me the "investigation" of shot MH over Ukraine which was also based on "links" and "posts in internet. Maybe we should start consider notes made on walls in public toilets as well as an evidence? I was in all Baltic states, Ukraine, Russia, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and tens of other countries and so what? I can tell you absolutely opposite things that you are saying. Hold a referendum, like it was in UK, in Crimea and in the Baltics and then you will see the truth. Otherwise... Well

Any link from a media site that is not owned by a government or is near the bottom of the list for freedom of press. Sadly, that includes all media from countries like Russia and China. And no, I don't believe Russian links. Just like I don't believe news items put out by the CIA.

This might help you. A link from a credible site:

https://rsf.org/en/ranking

As for not believing western news links, well, sad you don't believe some of the best media sites in the world. With fantastic journalists who really do try to get at the truth. Doesn't cover all of them, but some, for sure.

You're grasping at straws and starting to border on trolling. I think we need to get back on topic. OK? Ukraine, killed journalist.

I agree that CNN or BBC have wonderful journalists but it's all politicized now. Both sides are publishing propaganda. I will check your link but taking into consideration the level of mutual untrust and propaganda, you are right, this discussion is useless. And it's all very sad. Mr Sheremet was a bright talented journalist, I very well remember his reports. Let his soul rest in peace. Who killed him? It's a question to the Ukrainian authorities. Maybe I will go off topic a bit, but what is really interesting that Nadezda Savchenko a Ukrainean officer who was sentenced to 22 years in Russian prison for murder charges and recently pardoned by Putin and returned a hero to Kiev and MP now has started saying reasonable things. That Ukraine should start talks with Donetsk, she offered herself to be a mediator in these talks. Donetsk, as I read, agreed. Before this move nobody from the Ukrainian government wanted to talk with Donetsk. But direct talks between Kiev and Donetsk were a part of Minsk-2 treaty. Now a campaign against Savchenko started calling her russian spy and traitor.

[craigt3365]

Go to Russia, go to Crimea and talk to people there. There you will see truth. Which links do you want me to provide? Visit Baltic states where all population has gone to EU to find work to survive and only government officials are native Baltic citizens, the rest of the population are native Russians.

Riiiiight, and there are no more Russians in Moscow, only Chechens and Uzbeks.

I'm just back from Uzbekistan. And the other Stans. Many workers are back home now, having been laid off in Russia. Tough times there, especially Tajikistan. Lots out of work, projects stopped, and their currency is way down. I met a guy from the ADB who was there trying to help the government deal with the loss of remittances. It's pretty grim with many turning to drug dealing to make ends meet.

http://cabar.asia/en/iwpr-tajikistan-tajiks-worry-about-russian-slump-2/?upm_export=pdf

The head of Tajikistan's central bank, Jamshed Nurmuhammadzoda, says expat workers sent home the equivalent of 700 million

dollars in January-June this year, a whole billion dollars less than in the same period. There are two main reasons – the tightening

job market in Russia means many foreign workers are the first to be laid off, and a worsening exchange rate that reduces the amount

of money ending up in Tajikistan.

http://cacianalyst.org/publications/analytical-articles/item/13190-russia's-regulation-of-labor-migration-set-to-hurt-central-asian-economies.html

http://gandhara.rferl.org/a/blog-down-out-central-asia/27665027.html

Leonard said that, in Tajikistan, "the drop in remittances from 2014 to 2015 was around 67 percent, so that's a drop, in other words from about $3.8 billion to [some] $1.3 billion. That's the country that's feeling the pain the most." He added, "The figures are no more reassuring for Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan."

Indeed, remittances from Russia to Uzbekistan dropped from some $5.581 billion in 2014 to around $3.05 billion in 2015. In Kyrgyzstan, remittances from Russia fell from approximately $2.06 billion in 2014 to some $1.38 billion in 2015.

[craigt3365]

I agree that CNN or BBC have wonderful journalists but it's all politicized now. Both sides are publishing propaganda. I will check your link but taking into consideration the level of mutual untrust and propaganda, you are right, this discussion is useless. And it's all very sad. Mr Sheremet was a bright talented journalist, I very well remember his reports. Let his soul rest in peace. Who killed him? It's a question to the Ukrainian authorities. Maybe I will go off topic a bit, but what is really interesting that Nadezda Savchenko a Ukrainean officer who was sentenced to 22 years in Russian prison for murder charges and recently pardoned by Putin and returned a hero to Kiev and MP now has started saying reasonable things. That Ukraine should start talks with Donetsk, she offered herself to be a mediator in these talks. Donetsk, as I read, agreed. Before this move nobody from the Ukrainian government wanted to talk with Donetsk. But direct talks between Kiev and Donetsk were a part of Minsk-2 treaty. Now a campaign against Savchenko started calling her russian spy and traitor.

CNN and BBC aren't the only news sources out there. Look at the ones I just put up.

As for Nadezda, doesn't look like she's saying anything but bad stuff about Putin. And for good reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadiya_Savchenko

Since her release Savchenko suffers from insomnia and nightmares.

Not sure where you're getting your info on her from!

http://www.rferl.org/fullinfographics/infographics/the-many-faces-of-nadia-savchenko/27869488.html

"There can be peace [in Ukraine] only through war," she said. "Victory doesn't have to be categorical; it can be agreeable and merciful. But we cannot surrender without a fight."

[Pakboong]

Go to Russia, go to Crimea and talk to people there. There you will see truth. Which links do you want me to provide? Visit Baltic states where all population has gone to EU to find work to survive and only government officials are native Baltic citizens, the rest of the population are native Russians. Hold a referendum in the Baltic states and you will be surprised and will immediately declare the referendum unlawful or whatever you would say. By the way, why were you in Maidan, a US citizen during coup d'etat? What were you doing there?

Hammock, you are seriously wasting your time. I have given up on Craig as well. No need to regurgitate the Mainstream News.

[craigt3365]

Go to Russia, go to Crimea and talk to people there. There you will see truth. Which links do you want me to provide? Visit Baltic states where all population has gone to EU to find work to survive and only government officials are native Baltic citizens, the rest of the population are native Russians. Hold a referendum in the Baltic states and you will be surprised and will immediately declare the referendum unlawful or whatever you would say. By the way, why were you in Maidan, a US citizen during coup d'etat? What were you doing there?

Hammock, you are seriously wasting your time. I have given up on Craig as well. No need to regurgitate the Mainstream News.

Great! No need posting links to dubious websites. Remember how many loved the posts by ZeroHedge? They got the last laugh on all those who followed them. LOL No wonder Thaivisa removed many of those links.

Mainstream has it's faults, but there are some really good news sites out there. Just need to keep an open mind.