Spokesman: Trump now believes President Obama was born in US

[sirineou]

7 minutes ago, Publicus said:

 

The post appears to be incorrectly formatted.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong. 

you are not wrong, in attempting to 

 

Just now, johnnywishbone said:

 

Quite possible
I'm not overly competent


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Perhaps not your fault Johnny,  several times when attempting to reply , I noticed that TVF had not finished loading the reply window. it is possible that the same thing happen to you, and the inadvertent mis-formatted reply.

I Understood your reply, and though I have never being to Indonesia and I really don't know, I am inclined to agree with your opinion. 

 

 

[Publicus]

13 minutes ago, sirineou said:

you are not wrong, in attempting to 

 

Perhaps not your fault Johnny,  several times when attempting to reply , I noticed that TVF had not finished loading the reply window. it is possible that the same thing happen to you, and the inadvertent mis-formatted reply.

I Understood your reply, and though I have never being to Indonesia and I really don't know, I am inclined to agree with your opinion. 

 

 

 

My post about the misformatted post should have included mention of the few technical issues that remain at TVF since the recent new formatting of the website domain. This poster has experienced some of the same technical problem here or there, at certain times especially and for whatever reason.

 

It wuz clear to me the reply poster ended up with his post inside the post he'd been quoting, so no great harm done. It was a technical glitch no matter how we look at it. The quoting poster knew what to do, it just didn't come out of the system in they way intended.

 

No one's fault and life goes on.... 

[johnnywishbone]

The reply window at the bottom of the screen wasn't there.
I thought I was having a
"senior moment".


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[Dipterocarp]

What information has come out to cause Trump to change his opinion and thus let down his minions of supporters, who still cling to the conspiracy (none). It is part of election campaign politics, nothing more. If Trump loses he will flip-flop again.


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[Ulysses G.]

8 minutes ago, Dipterocarp said:

What information has come out to cause Trump to change his opinion and thus let down his minions of supporters, who still cling to the conspiracy (none). It is part of election campaign politics, nothing more. If Trump loses he will flip-flop again.
 

 

Did he ever believe it in the first place? Most of those people just use it to put Obama down.

[Silurian]

1 hour ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Did he ever believe it in the first place? Most of those people just use it to put Obama down.

 

The main purpose of his "birther" movement was to get press play. It achieved that in buckets. The media lapped it up since Trump had no policies back then just bluster. All it took was a "shock" topic like Obama's birth conspiracy and Trump launched his political career. He is a true showman and knows how to play an audience. Now that he no longer needs the "birther" movement, he discarded it. It no longer benefits him and might be problematic.

 

Now Trump can continue like it was no big deal and move on to the next target. Just like all his abandon business ventures tossed along the Trump highway of false promises and discarded plans, once elaborate and amazing but now dismissed and forgotten.

Edited September 18, 2016 by Silurian

[Andreas2]

1 hour ago, Dipterocarp said:

What information has come out to cause Trump to change his opinion and thus let down his minions of supporters, who still cling to the conspiracy (none). It is part of election campaign politics, nothing more. If Trump loses he will flip-flop again.

 

On Jan 20th 2017 the USA is going to have a new president.

Regarding this issue, I guess, Mr. Trump agrees 100% with Mrs. Clinton.

Now both candidates can focus again on relevant issues.

[Briggsy]

Sadly, there is zero chance that Trump will focus on any relevant issues. The moment he tries, his lack of knowledge is exposed and his ideas are shown to be extremely shallow reflecting his lack of any administrative experience.

 

I can guarantee he will shift the media focus onto some other ridiculous and frivolous "story". This is his strategy.

[Dipterocarp]

2 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Did he ever believe it in the first place? Most of those people just use it to put Obama down.

I am a staunch conservative. There are many legitimate reasons to criticize Obama. Birtherism and cryptomuslim sympathy not among them, never should have made it past the pages of internet clickbait pages. Who has been pushing this crap for years? Trump, the final result of Republican politics highjacked by religious fanatics, idiocy, and conspiracy theorists. My California absentee ballot never means anything anyway for President but won't bother this year. Partially agree with George Will on this one. Not leaving the party but better to suck it up and accept 4 years of Clinton and regroup.

Edited September 18, 2016 by Dipterocarp

[Andreas2]

24 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

Sadly, there is zero chance that Trump will focus on any relevant issues. The moment he tries, his lack of knowledge is exposed and his ideas are shown to be extremely shallow reflecting his lack of any administrative experience.

 

I can guarantee he will shift the media focus onto some other ridiculous and frivolous "story". This is his strategy.

 

I don't know what ridiculous and frivolous actual stories you are referring to but job creation is one of the main challenges (as an example) on which Mr. Trump is focussing.

You may have your preferences regarding the candidates' policies but if it comes to "much talk, no action", Mr. Trump is correct in referring to Mrs. Clinton's track record as a senator. She already then focussed on job creation and had her policies to tackle this issue.

 

Anyway, I wasn't aware that the birther issue was part of the Trump campaign. I had the feeling that the Clinton campaign kept this ridiculous and frivolous "story" alive. Now let's hope it can rest in peace and both campaigns can again focus on real issues.

[LawrenceChee]

This guy is an idiot and keeps proving he will be the most stupid, bigot and idiotic president on the world stage

Vote for him if you want to be identified as a bafoon but the other choice means voting for a ugly old woman with integrity issues

Wow these best of democracy indeed ...what a laugh we are going to have for the next 4 years


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[PTC]

3 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Did he ever believe it in the first place? Most of those people just use it to put Obama down.

 

Then I take it that you endorse Trump knowingly LYING for political purposes for all this time.

 

This smells more rank than your usual apologist mono-vision.

[sirineou]

10 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Did he ever believe it in the first place? Most of those people just use it to put Obama down.

I agree with you, he is an opportunistic  liar, perpetuating something he did not believe to be true.

I am sure he did not believe it and only lied it to further his agenda. I can respect some one doing something they believe and being wrong, But I cant respect a hypocrite,and a liar   , can you?

 

I wonder what else he says that he does not believe, only to further his agenda? Dont you??

[up-country_sinclair]

Trump has been promoting this deliberate piece of misinformation for years.  Not weeks or months, but literally years.  In fact, it is the genesis of his campaign.  And the Trump fanboys just shrug and say, "Oh, he never really believed that in the first place".

 

 

Edited September 18, 2016 by up-country_sinclair

[seedy]

Derogatory Post Removed. Believe whatever you want, but do not post comments against what anyone else believes. The Freedom of Religion extends to all Faiths - not just the one you happen to Believe in. Post in like manner again and receive a Posting Holiday.

[Ulysses G.]

8 hours ago, PTC said:

 

Then I take it that you endorse Trump knowingly LYING for political purposes for all this time.

 

 As usual, you do not know what you are talking about. I think the whole issue is rather stupid. However, it is no worse than the lies that Hillary supporters make up about him. 

[PTC]

4 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

 As usual, you do not know what you are talking about. I think the whole issue is rather stupid. However, it is no worse than the lies that Hillary supporters make up about him. 

 

That's not an answer. It is a dodge. TVF's most prolific sniffer of self-defined LIES endorses Trump knowingly lying about the first Black President.

[Ulysses G.]

You need to work on some reading skills as well as logic. I have made it very obvious that  I do NOT endorse lying by anyone - including Hillary and her supporters.

[PTC]

8 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

You need to work on some reading skills as well as logic. I have made it very obvious that  I do NOT endorse lying by anyone - including Hillary and her supporters.

 

Your continued evasion maintains your endorsement of Trump's lie.

 

Hillary Clinton did not say that Obama was not born a US citizen. Why are you discussing her in this thread which is about Trump and his Lie as the prime mover of the Birther movement. No need to cite newspaper headlines. There are years of them. According to your theory, he probably didn't believe this, so he knowingly LIED and you ENDORSE this.

[Ulysses G.]

2 minutes ago, PTC said:

 

Hillary Clinton did not say that Obama was not born a US citizen. 

 

Her campaign staff and supporters did. It is called plausible deniability.

[up-country_sinclair]

There is a certain type of Trump fanboy who will repeatedly state, "Oh, not me.  I don't support Trump".  Yet all the while they are oscillating between praising and excusing his untruthful and outrageous statements.

 

This is particularly noticeable when the closeted fanboys go on and on about Secretary Clinton's lies (of which there are many) but Trump's multitude of lies are ignored or laughed off.  For example, they'll use the dreaded all caps "She's a LIAR" about Secretary Clinton but Trump "never really meant what he said".

 

Pathetic.

[PTC]

35 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Her campaign staff and supporters did. It is called plausible deniability.

 

Trump spends five years peddling this LIE and you endorse this by accusing Hillary Clinton, who never said anything related to this issue as a liar because you think she wanted plausible deniability.

 

You are peddling a LIE and you know it. You not only endorse Trump's LIE but you also repeat the disproven LIE that Hillary's 2008 campaign was involved in spreading the birther issue.

 

"It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/

 

We rate this claim False.

 

You know this. The politifact thing has been posted many times. Yet you continue this LIE. You compound this LIE with an endorsement of Trump's LIE.

 

What credibility do you now claim to call out any other TVF poster as a LIAR?

Edited September 18, 2016 by PTC

[212Roger]

On 9/16/2016 at 3:57 PM, Ulysses G. said:

 

Of course. However, he had a Muslim father, lived in a Muslim country as a youth and studied the Muslim religion. IMO, that might explain why he is so sympathetic to Islam.

 

I definitely don't think he is a Christian, but there is no way to prove it. I suspect he is an atheist or an agnostic, but became a "Christian" out of political expediency. However, that is just a personal opinion.

 

I posted a very similar comment a month ago and I was banned for three days.  Go figure.  I clearly hope I'm not jinxing your post, my sage friend.

[Ulysses G.]

14 minutes ago, up-country_sinclair said:

 

  For example, they'll use the dreaded all caps "She's a LIAR" about Secretary Clinton but Trump "never really meant what he said.

 

Try finding a case where one on Trump's lies violated national security. 

[augustwest]

The real question here is whether he is Christian or a Moslem. His father was a Moslem and he studied the Quran in Indonesia for a few years. Many of his policies are pro Moslem. Isis was a JV squad and on and on

[Ulysses G.]

49 minutes ago, augustwest said:

The real question here is whether he is Christian or a Moslem.

 

 My personal opinion is he is neither. He is sympathetic to ISLAM because of his upbringing and his conversion by rev. Wright was out of political expediency. 

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, augustwest said:

The real question here is whether he is Christian or a Moslem. His father was a Moslem and he studied the Quran in Indonesia for a few years. Many of his policies are pro Moslem. Isis was a JV squad and on and on

No it is not

Read the title of this Thread

That's the real question

[Ulysses G.]

2 hours ago, PTC said:

 

Trump spends five years peddling this LIE and you endorse this by accusing Hillary Clinton, who never said anything related to this issue as a liar because you think she wanted plausible deniability.

 

 

Your article concludes that Hillary's supporters started the rumor and neglects to mention that someone working for her campaign spread emails supporting the theory.  They also distributed photos of Obama dressed in Muslim gear. On top of that, her close confidant Sydney Blumenthal also spread the rumor according to McClatchy DC Bureau Chief James Asher. Sounds like possible plausible deniability to me.

Edited September 18, 2016 by Ulysses G.

[PTC]

1 hour ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Your article concludes that Hillary's supporters started the rumor and neglects to mention that someone working for her campaign spread emails supporting the theory.  They also distributed photos of Obama dressed in Muslim gear. On top of that, her close confidant Sydney Blumenthal also spread the rumor according to McClatchy DC Bureau Chief James Asher. Sounds like possible plausible deniability to me.

 

'My' linked article as you put it clearly acknowledged the role of persons who claimed to be supporters of Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign. "My" linked article is very clear that neither Hillary Clinton, nor the 2008 campaign had anything to do with this LIE.

 

'Your' article, on the other hand http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article102354777.html very clearly states an unsubstantiated allegation that Asher and his news organization investigated the birther rumor at the instigation of Blumenthal, an allegation that Blumenthal denies.

 

That is your non evidence.

 

Trump publicly aligned himself and was the de facto leader of the birther movement, deliberately perpetuating a LIE. This thread and this issue is about Trump's LIE and those who endorse that LIE. It has absolutely nothing to o with Hillary Clinton or her 2008 Campaign. Your insinuation that either party instigated this is a proven LIE. You offer this LIE as a rebuttal to your endorsement of Trump's LIE.

 

In all this ducking and diving, you have never once said that you reject Trump's LIE about President Obama's place of birth and his right to be President of the United States. These evasions have relied on the perpetuation of another LIE that Hillary Clinton and/or her 2008 Campaign originated the allegation that became birtherism. Will you reflect on this the next time you start accusing all and sundry of LYING on TVF?

 

Which Trump LIE do you support? The Birther LIE or the Born in the USA LIE? Have to pick one. Both can't be correct. Isn't it wonderful how compliant Trump has become under MIstress Kelly Anne. Who knew he was such a jelly fish in the face of a determined woman. I guess we will see that reflected in the debates when he tries to stand next to another woman who knows what she is doing. Hillary should wear leather for the occasion to reinforce the point.

Edited September 18, 2016 by PTC

[sirineou]

This sounds to me like the story of the guy who beat up an innocent man, and when he the cops come his defense is that some one else started the fight but left soon after.

Are all trumpetees devoid of logic? I guess they must be, how else would they be trumpeteers