elgordo38 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 3 hours ago, The Deerhunter said: It seems to me that most of us just use TVF for that. 555. I have been running into the odd serious block lately. Taken the fun away a little. Moses complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doiger Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I think whatever country in the world you go to then they have the ability to check your electrical items. (Whether you like it or not) But unless they have a reason to check them to me you have nothing to worry about. IMHO if someone asked to check my laptop or phone when I was traveling then I would let them. The only reason I would not let them is if I had something to hide. if you have nothing to hide then not much of a reason for this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwinecheese Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Doiger said: I think whatever country in the world you go to then they have the ability to check your electrical items. (Whether you like it or not) But unless they have a reason to check them to me you have nothing to worry about. IMHO if someone asked to check my laptop or phone when I was traveling then I would let them. The only reason I would not let them is if I had something to hide. if you have nothing to hide then not much of a reason for this post. With all respect the OP isn't stupid nor the other posters, point here is to let people know to be smart because once you get caught by a totalirian regime your life could change for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doiger Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, redwinecheese said: With all respect the OP isn't stupid nor the other posters, point here is to let people know to be smart because once you get caught by a totalirian regime your life could change for ever. You can only get caught if you have something to hide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, blorg said: I think this is getting very semantic, they have the "right" in the sense the sovereign country has the right to do this and delegates that authority to the border agents. YOU personally on the other hand do not have any of your American constitutional "rights" once you step outside America and so I see complaining about other countries having the right to search you as misguided. They do have that right, it's their country. You don't have any rights to object to it. Complaining about it is likely to result in an adverse outcome for you. I didn't really notice, until now, that it was you/your post which characterized law enforcement having "rights" instead of authority. It's easy to dismiss my point as semantics because you were wrong. If it's too much for you, simply stop responding. I know quite a bit about the fundamentals of law enforcement at various levels of government from my previous life/career, and where I stand overseas. Thanks for the lecture though. Take care. Edited March 19, 2017 by 55Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blorg Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 So @55Jay you are saying sovereign states do not have rights to control their borders? But you, as an American, have god-given constitutional rights that apply everywhere in the world and trump the rights of sovereign states? Sorry to break it to you but you might find out the hard way that an immigration officer actually has a lot more rights than you do in a country other than your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, blorg said: So @55Jay you are saying sovereign states do not have rights to control their borders? But you, as an American, have god-given constitutional rights that apply everywhere in the world and trump the rights of sovereign states? Sorry to break it to you but you might find out the hard way that an immigration officer actually has a lot more rights than you do in a country other than your own. Nope, didn't say that. I really don't need any help for you on this matter, not sure why you are trying to have an argument with me, based on your manufactured assumptions. PS: Rights aren't "god given" either. Edited March 19, 2017 by 55Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuaBS Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 That's why everything is encrypted on my computer. Truecrypt hasn't been broken yet , or veracrypt. Let them copy the 200 to 400 GB big volumes...Gonna take forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwinecheese Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Doiger said: You can only get caught if you have something to hide So, I presume you don't believe in freedom of speech or privacy concern after 911. exactly because of people like you we have the patriot act! Edited March 19, 2017 by redwinecheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwinecheese Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, BuaBS said: That's why everything is encrypted on my computer. Truecrypt hasn't been broken yet , or veracrypt. Let them copy the 200 to 400 GB big volumes...Gonna take forever. You got something to hide 5555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuaBS Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 1 minute ago, redwinecheese said: You got something to hide 5555 I have everything to hide . If you've got nothing to hide , you're not living right. Electronic devices are strictly personal & private . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doiger Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Just now, redwinecheese said: So, I presume you don't believe in freedom of speech after 911. exactly because of people like you were have the patriot act! I do regret what happened on 911. And I definitely believe in freedom of speech, but i also know that I am required to live within the laws of the country that I live in. unfortunately I am not American so the patriot act does not affect me but I still stick by my words. if you have nothing to hide then so be it!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegee Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Yep...they do !!!! If they want to....like everywhere else...Nothing new about this, even though its sad to hear. Edited March 19, 2017 by weegee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwinecheese Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doiger said: I do regret what happened on 911. And I definitely believe in freedom of speech, but i also know that I am required to live within the laws of the country that I live in. unfortunately I am not American so the patriot act does not affect me but I still stick by my words. if you have nothing to hide then so be it!!!! For your information patriot act effects everyone not just Americans, but if I may ask do you really care if your phone calls and your communications in general including Internet banking being monitored or you just don't care as long as you said you have nothing to hide? Edited March 19, 2017 by redwinecheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doiger Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 34 minutes ago, redwinecheese said: For your information patriot act effects everyone not just Americans, but if I may ask do you really care if your phone calls and your communications in general including Internet banking being monitored or you just don't care as long as you said you have nothing to hide? The chances of your internet banking being looked at are very slim, especially coming into to Thailand as the OP has asked about,same as your e mails, and unless you get asked for specific passwords and give them, then you are not going to know about who is looking anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwinecheese Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Doiger said: The chances of your internet banking being looked at are very slim, especially coming into to Thailand as the OP has asked about,same as your e mails, and unless you get asked for specific passwords and give them, then you are not going to know about who is looking anyway. So it's okay for non 3rd world countries to know about your Internet banking if I understand you like NSA? Because in your previous posts you insisted if you have nothing to hide So be it. Edited March 19, 2017 by redwinecheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doiger Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, redwinecheese said: So it's okay for non 3rd world countries to know about your Internet banking if I understand you like NSA? If they look and check without us knowing there is nothing we can do about it. as I said before, I'm not American so what the NSA does I cannot change. ive nothing to hide, you obviously do before you are taking this so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwinecheese Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Doiger said: If they look and check without us knowing there is nothing we can do about it. as I said before, I'm not American so what the NSA does I cannot change. ive nothing to hide, you obviously do before you are taking this so far. Since you can't stop the urge to reply as fast as you can I really don't find it healthy to keep arguing but I will tell you something you don't know, I am not American and I have seen my bank accounts numbers published on my Google profile so I know those bastards are as nasty as wild animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Real Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Yes, but of course. Actually they really know your shoe size before you enter the country. What do you think? Have been living in Thailand long time and I am aware of that things doesn´t come to mind so quick in the area of intelligence, but this one hit a new bottom low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaleboneman Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 7 hours ago, richusa said: Australia and the US are mostly looking into your personal stuff. Especially in the US, if you have pirated software..5k fine for each program. That's why when I go to the US I delete all that stuff...... Are you aware that simply deleting all that stuff doesn't really delete it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Doiger said: I think whatever country in the world you go to then they have the ability to check your electrical items. (Whether you like it or not) But unless they have a reason to check them to me you have nothing to worry about. IMHO if someone asked to check my laptop or phone when I was traveling then I would let them. The only reason I would not let them is if I had something to hide. if you have nothing to hide then not much of a reason for this post. Doiger - "The only reason I would not let them is if I had something to hide. if you have nothing to hide then not much of a reason for this post." " Saying that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say. It’s a deeply anti social principle because rights are not just individual, they’re collective, and what may not have value to you today may have value to an entire population, an entire people, an entire way of life tomorrow. And if you don’t stand up for it, then who will? " - Edward Snowden Edited March 19, 2017 by JimmyJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaleboneman Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 5 hours ago, redwinecheese said: Point is that if they look at your social media accounts and find offensive posts as they interpret them against their government whether in Thailand or most 3rd world countries,I think you hear from them " you have big problem mister". I know people been locked in prison for years because of of posts, tweets and so on. p.s I never use the term developed countries because a totalitarian regime will never develop. Really? How many people exactly do you know that have been in prison for years for their tweets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Doiger - I'm glad that you have nothing to hide. Please post your handles to all of your social media accounts along with the passwords. Same for your email(s). If you have nothing to hide and have done nothing wrong surely you will have no problem with this. (PM them to me if you prefer, although I don't see why you'd care as you have nothing to hide). Edited March 19, 2017 by JimmyJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffspab Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 32 minutes ago, whaleboneman said: Really? How many people exactly do you know that have been in prison for years for their tweets? Plenty of people get long terms over here for lese majeste for tweets and posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) I see that EFF did an update this month for the following guide: "Digital Privacy at the U.S. Border: Protecting the Data On Your Devices and In the Cloud" https://www.eff.org/wp/digital-privacy-us-border-2017 "Th e U.S. government reported a fi ve-fold increase in the number of electronic media searches at the border in a single year, from 4,764 in 2015 to 23,877 in 2016. 1 Every one of those searches was a potential privacy violation. Our lives are minutely documented on the phones and laptops we carry, and in the cloud. Our devices carry records of private conversations, family photos, medical documents, banking information, information about what websites we visit, and much more. Moreover, people in many professions, such as lawyers and journalists, have a heightened need to keep their electronic information confidential. How can travelers keep their digital data safe?" Edited March 19, 2017 by JimmyJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedomnow Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 10 hours ago, hawker9000 said: Facebook? Twitter? What's that? Likewise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USPatriot Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I have no social media accounts. Employers are starting to ask for Facebook acounts and others so why wouldn't a government everyone posts everything. Sooner or later it will happen. Question 15 list social media accounts and user names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jspill Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 8 hours ago, Doiger said: You can only get caught if you have something to hide Until they change the definition of what's legal and what isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 8 hours ago, Doiger said: You can only get caught if you have something to hide Ah yes. The old privacy-is-an-anachronism line. Amazing. Everyone's business is everyone else's business, eh? You get an A for indoctrination. I keep wondering how ostrich DNA managed to find its way into some segments of the human population. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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